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Post by #notLauren on Sept 16, 2017 19:06:00 GMT
Interesting Fred. I will need some time to think about it before I respond.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 16, 2017 20:38:20 GMT
Add to that the DNC leaked emails that just showed the DNC was pushing for Hillary. But as someone pointed out if you look at the dates of those damning emails they were late May early June when it was clear Hillary was going to be the nominee and the DNC, like Hillary, was changing from "primary mode" to "general election mode". Something that you do if you want to win an election. And that did damage Hillary. Along with Bernie harping about Hillary giving a speech at Goldman Sachs like it was a moral sin. The trump campaign latched on to that and continued to use it against Hillary during the campaign Lets remember that Bernie was not, or ever been a member of the Democratic Party, so it was the Party itself that was pushing Hillary as a candidate, not Hillary herself. You cannot hold her responsible for that decision. And if Bernie was upset with Hillary giving the Goldman Sachs speech, now half of them are at the WH.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
Add to that the DNC leaked emails that just showed the DNC was pushing for Hillary. But as someone pointed out if you look at the dates of those damning emails they were late May early June when it was clear Hillary was going to be the nominee and the DNC, like Hillary, was changing from "primary mode" to "general election mode". Something that you do if you want to win an election. And that did damage Hillary. Along with Bernie harping about Hillary giving a speech at Goldman Sachs like it was a moral sin. The trump campaign latched on to that and continued to use it against Hillary during the campaign Lets remember that Bernie was not, or ever been a member of the Democratic Party, so it was the Party itself that was pushing Hillary as a candidate, not Hillary herself. You cannot hold her responsible for that decision.
And if Bernie was upset with Hillary giving the Goldman Sachs speech, now half of them are at the WH. I don't think anyone is holding Hillary responsible for the party pushing for her instead of Bernie because why would they have, he's not a Democrat. However, in her book, she criticized Bernie for not endorsing and/or campaigning hard enough for her after she won the nominee. And why should he have, he's not a Democrat. He did, but I guess not soon enough/hard enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 14:18:17 GMT
There are some who feel a candidate has to be "likeable" to be elected and their ability would not be the guiding reason to vote for them.
Thursday night I listened to Hillary talk about North Korea, the diminishing State Department, and Putin. It was refreshing to hear an adult talk about the state of affairs swirling around our country now.
Especially when this is our reality....
trump this morning.
"I spoke with President Moon of South Korea last night. Asked him how Rocket Man is doing. Long gas lines forming in North Korea. Too bad!"
If this country dismisses ability when electing a president because they don't like the person then we really are doomed. Especially when the opponent is the guy now sitting in the Oval Office.
Edited to add another reason why likability shouldn't be a guiding factor..
Politico...
"May: Not 'helpful' for Trump to speculate on London attack politi.co/2frQLqW "
This from one our oldest closest allies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 17:09:40 GMT
"I didn't go public with my feelings. I let them out in private." What a bunch of hooey. She couldn't even come out after the returns were counted on election night. That's about as big a public statement of her feelings as has ever been made in this country. Since I went to bed before the results were announced on Election Day. And after I read this country was stupid enough to elect trump I didn't watch TV for the next couple of days so I did not this. I'm getting caught up watching programs I have on my DVR and just watched last week's Sunday Morning on CBS and Jane Pauley's interview with Hillary. They talked about election night. And how Hillary was sure she was going to win that she hadn't written a concession speech. She called trump a little after midnight and then President Obama. And she waited until the next day to give her concession speech. By that time one had been written. It was a good speech. Certainly better then the one trump gave or has given since. To me this type of complaint is another example manufactured grievance. Should she have appeared that night and blabbed some words or take some time to try and give meaning to her words? Who knows. But is it a big deal? No IMO.
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Post by megooc on Sept 18, 2017 4:48:07 GMT
I'm a republican, I voted for Trump *gasp*.I still might read this book. I like US History. I think we're in an interesting time. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if we ended up in another "civil war" in the next 20 years. Not north vs south, but urban vs rural. As for Hilary losing, I honestly can't even tell you what she stood for other than "shattering the glass ceiling". That wasn't enough for me, and I was undecided until I was in the voting booth; she could've gotten my vote if I had seen anything else about her. It will be an interesting read. We will see in time. That's the great thing about America. No one is in control for too long, no matter how "big" and "right" our personal party of choice feels 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 5:56:55 GMT
I'm a republican, I voted for Trump *gasp*.I still might read this book. I like US History. I think we're in an interesting time. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if we ended up in another "civil war" in the next 20 years. Not north vs south, but urban vs rural. As for Hilary losing, I honestly can't even tell you what she stood for other than "shattering the glass ceiling". That wasn't enough for me, and I was undecided until I was in the voting booth; she could've gotten my vote if I had seen anything else about her. It will be an interesting read. We will see in time. That's the great thing about America. No one is in control for too long, no matter how "big" and "right" our personal party of choice feels 😉 It's not so much how long they are in control but it's the damage that they do. Like this from the Daily Beast.. "Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has reportedly recommended downsizing or changing seven geographic national monuments he reviewed at President Trump’s request in a move likely to anger environmental groups. The recommendations, featured in a report sent to the White House and seen by The Wall Street Journal, call for reducing the boundaries of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante preserves in Utah. Zinke has also recommended allowing commercial fishing in hundreds of thousands of square miles of oceans that are currently protected against such activities, according to the report. Ranching and logging would also be allowed in areas where such activities are currently prohibited. The Interior Department’s report was sent to Trump in August but no details were disclosed at that time about which lands in particular might be affected. Seventeen other national monuments included in the review were spared from such proposed changes." And once the damage is done it's hard to repair it if it can even be done.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 18, 2017 9:56:36 GMT
Lets remember that Bernie was not, or ever been a member of the Democratic Party, so it was the Party itself that was pushing Hillary as a candidate, not Hillary herself. You cannot hold her responsible for that decision.
And if Bernie was upset with Hillary giving the Goldman Sachs speech, now half of them are at the WH. I don't think anyone is holding Hillary responsible for the party pushing for her instead of Bernie because why would they have, he's not a Democrat. However, in her book, she criticized Bernie for not endorsing and/or campaigning hard enough for her after she won the nominee. And why should he have, he's not a Democrat. He did, but I guess not soon enough/hard enough. I guess that my answer would be, look what we're stuck with now. Not even a year into his presidency, a serious investigation is being undertaken, and part of that investigation involves at a minimum his surrogates. Don't forget his bellicose comments toward NK. He clearly has no grasp of foreign policy. Those are just a few things that come to mind. But ultimately, those Bernie voters who did not vote for Hillary have only themselves to blame. Blaming Bernie is really unfair. And I say that as someone who loathes Bernie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 14:50:39 GMT
Last night on the Late Show What Hillary said should have been trump’s comments about North Korea.
“What I hoped the president would have said is something along the lines of ‘we view this as dangerous to our allies, to the region and even to our country. We call on all nations to work with us to try to end the threat caused to us by Kim Jong-un’.” Secretary Clinton stated.”
Certainly sounds better than threatening to kill all the people of North Korea for their leaders actions.
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Post by surf75 on Sept 20, 2017 15:25:07 GMT
Last night on the Late Show What Hillary said should have been trump’s comments about North Korea. “What I hoped the president would have said is something along the lines of ‘we view this as dangerous to our allies, to the region and even to our country. We call on all nations to work with us to try to end the threat caused to us by Kim Jong-un’.” Secretary Clinton stated.” Certainly sounds better than threatening to kill all the people of North Korea for their leaders actions. Yes, because what she's suggesting has worked SO WELL in the past. How many times are you going to stand there and let someone slap you in the face, and ask those around you to nicely suggest to the person slapping you that they cease slapping you. And they ask and ask and ask, and the slapper doesn't stop. How long do you let that go on for before you slap them back?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 15:36:20 GMT
Last night on the Late Show What Hillary said should have been trump’s comments about North Korea. “What I hoped the president would have said is something along the lines of ‘we view this as dangerous to our allies, to the region and even to our country. We call on all nations to work with us to try to end the threat caused to us by Kim Jong-un’.” Secretary Clinton stated.” Certainly sounds better than threatening to kill all the people of North Korea for their leaders actions. Yes, because what she's suggesting has worked SO WELL in the past. How many times are you going to stand there and let someone slap you in the face, and ask those around you to nicely suggest to the person slapping you that they cease slapping you. And they ask and ask and ask, and the slapper doesn't stop. How long do you let that go on for before you slap them back? You know we are not talking about little toy missiles here don’t you? And if you are ok with trump ramping this up to a nuclear war then there is nothing more to discuss. Other than to say we are suppose to be smarter then “them” and right now old rocketman sure knows how to push trump’s buttons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 15:25:05 GMT
HIllary on Joy Reid’s Show...
“Hillary Clinton on President Trump: "He's been even worse than I thought he would be"
Boy that’s the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 16:05:54 GMT
MSNBC...
“Clinton on Trump presidency: "I don't want my granddaughter and grandson, or any child, to feel like this is normal"
No kidding.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 23, 2017 16:28:36 GMT
MSNBC... “Clinton on Trump presidency: "I don't want my granddaughter and grandson, or any child, to feel like this is normal" No kidding. That's what I keep telling my kids 17 and 20. They are the age where they are becoming adults and participating as such and I've told them the same thing more times than I probably can remember since even before election day. I keep reminding them that remember, like you like to say, I'm 'old as dirt' and all this is a new bizarre to me. Don't think it's normal for one minute. It's not. and it is having an effect worldwide which was obvious first with the woman's march.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 23, 2017 21:26:35 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal".
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Post by jayfab on Sept 23, 2017 21:50:44 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal". We've been told for 8 years that respect is earned. What's changed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 22:03:16 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal".h How about the disrespect trump shows the American People everytime he tells a lie and the chaos his actions cause not just in this country but the entire world? Shouldn’t people speak out about that Silence is acceptance.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 23, 2017 23:09:06 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal".h How about the disrespect trump shows the American People everytime he tells a lie and the chaos his actions cause not just in this country but the entire world? Shouldn’t people speak out about that Silence is acceptance. IMO Trump has played and encouraged the worst behaviors. He has done nothing to unify this Country and exhibited his own disrespect for America by pledging MAGA during the campaign. His statements indicated that America was not great at all. He has continually lied and mislead the American people, and disrespected anyone who does not adulated and agree with him. He has done nothing to earn any respect from those who are not his base. Every other President knew the honor of the Presidency and the dignity it required. This one doesn't care. And every other President had just as many objections to him and his actions as this one, however they did not go back and attack those that disagreed with them. So this one has not earned, nor does not deserve any respect. More of a concern should be that our children see this man-baby attacking other people. If the President is the example we should follow, then you should be more concerned about the future being left for our children.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 1:44:08 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal". I have taught my children respect. How to give it as well as recognize it. Showing disrespect and to anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is not the way to earn respect and it causes chaos. No matter who you are. Starting from the top. In other words, lead by example.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:29:07 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal". We've been told for 8 years that respect is earned. What's changed? What about "two wrongs don't make a right". When did that change? Why not take the high road; especially where your kids are concerned.?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:30:10 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal". I have taught my children respect. How to give it as well as recognize it. Showing disrespect and to anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is not the way to earn respect and it causes chaos. No matter who you are. Starting from the top. In other words, lead by example. I couldn't agree more. I think a whole lot of people on this board and in this country ought to follow your advice. However, I have a feeling that you don't mean "them".
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 2:33:40 GMT
I wish people would be as concerned about their children seeing the chaos and disrespect towards the President shown by his haters and thinking this was "normal".h How about the disrespect trump shows the American People everytime he tells a lie and the chaos his actions cause not just in this country but the entire world? Shouldn’t people speak out about that Silence is acceptance. Exactly why I spoke out in the Trump v. sports thread. However, you and I have very different ideas about who is lying and about what.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 3:03:42 GMT
While we're discussing Hillary's gender, no male candidate has every complained for months and months after the election about how other people caused their loss. It makes Hillary look like a cry-baby who despite her bravado, really couldn't run with the big dogs. It doesn't look good for women. Well you have an idiot POTUS who is such a liar that with pretty much most speeches he makes has to lie about his winning, size of crowd, rigged voting...makes him look like a Whiny cry baby.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2017 3:07:26 GMT
How about the disrespect trump shows the American People everytime he tells a lie and the chaos his actions cause not just in this country but the entire world? Shouldn’t people speak out about that Silence is acceptance. Exactly why I spoke out in the Trump v. sports thread. However, you and I have very different ideas about who is lying and about what. The reality is that most everyone can see that Trump is a liar of epic proportions. It's documented every.Single.day. Those who cannot see that, or refuse to believe the facts--one has to think that they are so far removed/out of touch with from reality and in some alternate brainwashed state--you kind of want to feel sorry for them, but you don't because they choose to be that way.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 24, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
We've been told for 8 years that respect is earned. What's changed? What about "two wrongs don't make a right". When did that change? Why not take the high road; especially where your kids are concerned.? How can you ask your kids to respect someone who disrespects others including them daily?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 24, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
Simple. You teach them to respect the office. You teach them that even if they don't feel respect, they act with dignity towards the office.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 16:19:04 GMT
I have taught my children respect. How to give it as well as recognize it. Showing disrespect and to anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is not the way to earn respect and it causes chaos. No matter who you are. Starting from the top. In other words, lead by example. I couldn't agree more. I think a whole lot of people on this board and in this country ought to follow your advice. However, I have a feeling that you don't mean "them".You'd be wrong. I mean everyone who deserves respect should be shown respect. I think status/title is irrelevant, you don't earn respect by showing none, and you can't demand it. It is given freely-when earned.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 16:30:15 GMT
Simple. You teach them to respect the office. You teach them that even if they don't feel respect, they act with dignity towards the office. The office, yes. But when the person in office shows disrespect to anyone in his/her way, they do not deserve silence because of respect 'for office.' They, themselves have disrespected the office by their actions. 'Respecting the office' would include calling out the person in the office who is disrespecting the privilege of being there.
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