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Post by dewryce on Oct 9, 2017 15:30:20 GMT
I don't think they had an agreement in the books. During the argument they had the night he died he was surprised to find out she knew. I wonder why I was thinking they had an agreement? Regardless, in the books it's many affairs, in the show it's only one. I do think that paints a different picture of Frank. Maybe because she knew basically all along and didn't raise a fuss? I think they paint a different picture of him too, but I feel like he is a more sympathetic character in the books. Especially the way he seemed so cruel on the first episode.
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 9, 2017 15:55:11 GMT
One departure from the books that I am really disliking is the treatment of Frank's cheating. In the book he cheats with multiple woman; the show is making it seen like it was only one woman for a long period of time. It's coming across as Claire being selfish, when in the book they had an agreement for him to keep it private. I think she's coming off worse than she did in the books, and that Frank is looking more the wounded party than he did in the book. Yes, Frank was more of a philandering snake in the book. The show makes his character more sympathetic, and I had a hard time trying to be sympathetic to Frank. My DH was Team Frank and couldn't understand why I disliked him so much.
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Post by sweetshabbyroses on Oct 9, 2017 20:22:07 GMT
I loved the tender moments between Jamie and Willie but gosh, couldn't they have found a little boy that looked just a little more like Jamie. That whole plot line about how the boy looked like Jamie was too much of a stretch.
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Post by sweetshabbyroses on Oct 9, 2017 20:24:02 GMT
Has anyone else noticed in the "catch-up scenes" at the beginning of each episode they show scenes that we never see or have seen???!! That drives me crazy!! They never showed Claire telling Bree who her father was...........
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Post by Zee on Oct 9, 2017 20:37:37 GMT
Has anyone else noticed in the "catch-up scenes" at the beginning of each episode they show scenes that we never see or have seen???!! That drives me crazy!! They never showed Claire telling Bree who her father was........... They did in season 2. In Scotland.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Oct 9, 2017 21:10:48 GMT
I read that the extended episode is 74 mins. So I guess 14 mins is better than 5 mins, but not enough minutes to make up for a skipped week! I've been irritated about the Frank story line the show has taken this whole time. Last night was no different. I was irritated the whole show until the last 5 mins. Hopefully that will be the last episode that references him in that way and hopefully we don't have to hear Claire tell Jaime about him very much. There is so much "other" story they need to cover. Last night I thought they should have split time between Claire and Jamie's stories. They still need to address Laoghaire and Jamie. Last night would have worked for that instead of all the boring (not sticking with the story) crap they did with Claire and Frank's non-relationship and spoiled Brianna's little fits. I hope episode 6 is great! Naked/Partially naked Jamie can't be a bad thing.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 9, 2017 21:47:25 GMT
I read that the extended episode is 74 mins. So I guess 14 mins is better than 5 mins, but not enough minutes to make up for a skipped week! I've been irritated about the Frank story line the show has taken this whole time. Last night was no different. I was irritated the whole show until the last 5 mins. Hopefully that will be the last episode that references him in that way and hopefully we don't have to hear Claire tell Jaime about him very much. There is so much "other" story they need to cover. Last night I thought they should have split time between Claire and Jamie's stories. They still need to address Laoghaire and Jamie. Last night would have worked for that instead of all the boring (not sticking with the story) crap they did with Claire and Frank's non-relationship and spoiled Brianna's little fits. I hope episode 6 is great! Naked/Partially naked Jamie can't be a bad thing! Regarding the highlighted pieces: I was thinking the same thing until I remembered that Claire was blindsided with that relationship when they went back to Lallybrock. So I think we, the viewers, will find out at the same time she does. I agree, I didn't like the way they changed up the story, and I can't imagine why they did that. With other changes, you can sort of see why it's done. But I don't see the benefit to Claire having quit looking and moving them back to America to add those bits.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Oct 9, 2017 23:07:23 GMT
I read that the extended episode is 74 mins. So I guess 14 mins is better than 5 mins, but not enough minutes to make up for a skipped week! I've been irritated about the Frank story line the show has taken this whole time. Last night was no different. I was irritated the whole show until the last 5 mins. Hopefully that will be the last episode that references him in that way and hopefully we don't have to hear Claire tell Jaime about him very much. There is so much "other" story they need to cover. Last night I thought they should have split time between Claire and Jamie's stories. They still need to address Laoghaire and Jamie. Last night would have worked for that instead of all the boring (not sticking with the story) crap they did with Claire and Frank's non-relationship and spoiled Brianna's little fits. I hope episode 6 is great! Naked/Partially naked Jamie can't be a bad thing! Regarding the highlighted pieces: I was thinking the same thing until I remembered that Claire was blindsided with that relationship when they went back to Lallybrock. So I think we, the viewers, will find out at the same time she does. I agree, I didn't like the way they changed up the story, and I can't imagine why they did that. With other changes, you can sort of see why it's done. But I don't see the benefit to Claire having quit looking and moving them back to America to add those bits. You're probably right about your spoiler. I just want to get that part out of the way and hated that they devoted a whole episode to Claire in America and no Jamie.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 9, 2017 23:29:10 GMT
I loved the way they did Jamie last night!! with just the small bit at the end. We wanted some Jamie info during the show. just like Claire, and then to finally get him at the end.
Also I like the whole idea of us AND Claire finding out Jamie's past at the same time.
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Post by scrappysurfer on Oct 10, 2017 0:17:16 GMT
Does it explain in the books how she is able to travel back to exactly when and where she needs to go? The book has more details about her going through the stones, waking up and walking to Inverness and traveling by coach to Edinburgh. As for exactly when... time runs in parallel. Twenty years have passed. From the article that Roger found, they know Jamie was in Edinburgh about a year ago. She travels and just hopes he still there alive and well.
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Post by scrappysurfer on Oct 10, 2017 0:22:30 GMT
I think it was well done. I've given up on comparing the books to the show and just enjoying the show for what it is.
I hardly breathed during the last five minutes. When she heard his voice I sighed out loud! I can't wait for The Wedding 2.0 lol
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 1:30:04 GMT
I read that the extended episode is 74 mins. So I guess 14 mins is better than 5 mins, but not enough minutes to make up for a skipped week! I've been irritated about the Frank story line the show has taken this whole time. Last night was no different. I was irritated the whole show until the last 5 mins. Hopefully that will be the last episode that references him in that way and hopefully we don't have to hear Claire tell Jaime about him very much. There is so much "other" story they need to cover. Last night I thought they should have split time between Claire and Jamie's stories. They still need to address Laoghaire and Jamie. Last night would have worked for that instead of all the boring (not sticking with the story) crap they did with Claire and Frank's non-relationship and spoiled Brianna's little fits. I hope episode 6 is great! Naked/Partially naked Jamie can't be a bad thing. I LOVED that we didn't spend the episode flipping back and forth. And I loved this episode. I don't think I blinked for an hour. We haven't gotten much of Claire's story in Boston and it's about time they did something with that. They also spent some time developing Brianna and Roger's story, which was needed. It would have been nice to see some of Jamie back at Lallybroch, but I would imagine we will see a bit of it in the coming episodes, also the spoiler that dewryce noted. The episodes just need to be longer!
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 1:32:10 GMT
I don't think they had an agreement in the books. During the argument they had the night he died he was surprised to find out she knew. I wonder why I was thinking they had an agreement? Regardless, in the books it's many affairs, in the show it's only one. I do think that paints a different picture of Frank. I agree. I think that showing one "love" that Frank had was odd and changed how we viewed his cheating. But she wouldn't be the first mistress that the man lied to.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 1:37:24 GMT
The lack of research showing how they found Jamie really bothers me about this episode. I KNOW they have to really cut back in order to shove everything into an episode, but some things just aren’t working for me. I was also very bothered that show Claire didn’t reveal everything to Joe as she did in the book. That really stood out to me as a big fail on the part of the writers as it feels like a very important part of the story. I agree dewryce that giving more details of the research makes it much more believable that they were actually able to find Jamie in Edinburg. The way it was written seems just too far fetched. Haha...like travel isn’t crazy enough, right?? Agree with the part about Joe--although it would have taken some time to convince him and I'd hate to see that time wasted on a minor character. And I really agree that we could have seen more research--maybe some flashes with a few finds? I was really hoping for the graveyard scene when Claire "finds" Jamie (trying not to spoil too much.) To me, that was the pivotal moment.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 1:53:57 GMT
Great episode! I loved the "puddle" transition to the 17th century. It's straight from the prologue of Voyager. Of course the Print Shop scene was great. Jamie cocking his head and slowly turning around was priceless. The fear/uncertainty in Claire's voice when she says "it's me, Claire" was perfect! When I watch On Demand, you don't see the directors' comments at the end. Here they are and they talk about the puddle. And Kymberlee, they talk about the Bat Suit, too. Inside the World of Outlander, Season 3, Episode 5
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 10, 2017 5:43:30 GMT
Basket1lady, I saw that after the episode. It still doesn’t do it for me. Sometimes the writers get too cutesy for their own good, imo. This whole episode irritated me.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 10, 2017 11:04:45 GMT
Random thoughts: I haven’t read the books and have been impatient during the 20th c episodes. It felt so off for them to be apart. I’m confused about the research. Frank v Claire - he seemed like a nice guy who accepted another man’s daughter and wife with little in exchange. Bri is ok with me - not as red as her father, not as chestnut as her mom. I thought they all were all three going to go back in time.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 10, 2017 15:02:17 GMT
Great episode! I loved the "puddle" transition to the 17th century. It's straight from the prologue of Voyager. Of course the Print Shop scene was great. Jamie cocking his head and slowly turning around was priceless. The fear/uncertainty in Claire's voice when she says "it's me, Claire" was perfect! When I watch On Demand, you don't see the directors' comments at the end. Here they are and they talk about the puddle. And Kymberlee , they talk about the Bat Suit, too. Inside the World of Outlander, Season 3, Episode 5I keep looking for the extra's and can't find them. thanks for this. I love those little bits.
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Post by finaledition on Oct 10, 2017 15:35:39 GMT
I keep looking for the extra's and can't find them. thanks for this. I love those little bits. If you love this then you should try the Official Outlander Podcast. It's interesting to hear about some of the adaptation choices they make. Often times we complain about why they did something or how they left something out, but half the it's a matter of logistics whether that be budget, money, location, actor availability, etc...However having said that, I sure hope they talk about why they did the scene with Sandy/candy?? I don't think that added any value to the episode. I would have preferred more time with Joe.
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 10, 2017 15:41:43 GMT
Soooooo, episode 6 will be from Jamie’s perspective. We will get to see THAT MOMENT through his eyes. How cool is that? I can’t wait!
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 10, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
Does it explain in the books how she is able to travel back to exactly when and where she needs to go? The book has more details about her going through the stones, waking up and walking to Inverness and traveling by coach to Edinburgh. Yep. The explanation likely will come as Claire is filling Jamie in later on. That's in keeping with Ronald Moore's directing style anyway. Plus, there's a lot more coming up, lots of room for explanations/flashbacks/revelations...etc, ad nauseam. "Voyager" was my personal favorite of the series, can't wait to see what Moore does with it. I really like how he handled seasons 1 and 2.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 19:05:16 GMT
Basket1lady , I saw that after the episode. It still doesn’t do it for me. Sometimes the writers get too cutesy for their own good, imo. This whole episode irritated me. Really? That was so hard to tell from your posts! (I'm laughing, because remember my rant a few weeks ago with all the POV/time switching back and forth so much? I wasn't shy about sharing my irritation with that.)
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 19:08:34 GMT
Soooooo, episode 6 will be from Jamie’s perspective. We will get to see THAT MOMENT through his eyes. How cool is that? I can’t wait!Normally I would say that THIS IS CLAIRE'S STORY AND I WANT TO HEAR IT FROM HER! But really, it does sound like an interesting perspective. Claire has had 2 years (at least in the books time frame--it's hard to really tell how long it's been in the series) to get used to the idea of going back and that she could see Jamie again. For Jamie, this is all new and sudden and can you just imagine??? He (more that Claire, I feel) kept his memory of Claire almost sacred. I can't wait!
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 19:09:29 GMT
I keep looking for the extra's and can't find them. thanks for this. I love those little bits. I dug around the official Outlander page and couldn't find them. I finally just searched for it on YouTube because I know it's out there.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 19:09:52 GMT
The book has more details about her going through the stones, waking up and walking to Inverness and traveling by coach to Edinburgh. Yep. The explanation likely will come as Claire is filling Jamie in later on. That's in keeping with Ronald Moore's directing style anyway. Plus, there's a lot more coming up, lots of room for explanations/flashbacks/revelations...etc, ad nauseam. "Voyager" was my personal favorite of the series, can't wait to see what Moore does with it. I really like how he handled seasons 1 and 2. I agree--to all of it!
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 10, 2017 22:17:40 GMT
Kymberlee , this came across my Facebook feed and the author seems gives weight to your argument against this episode (and perhaps a hatred of Sophie Skelton as well?) I thought the observation about 18th century Claire was interesting--maybe Claire does well there and has found her people in the past because she likes to be in control and nothing says control like knowing the future? But that may be more book analysis than TV show.
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Post by jackietex on Oct 11, 2017 1:02:33 GMT
Random thoughts: I haven’t read the books and have been impatient during the 20th c episodes. It felt so off for them to be apart. I’m confused about the research. Frank v Claire - he seemed like a nice guy who accepted another man’s daughter and wife with little in exchange. Bri is ok with me - not as red as her father, not as chestnut as her mom. I thought they all were all three going to go back in time. I can understand how, on television, the back and forth in time isn't satisfying. The research done in the show is confusing me too, it's different than the book. In the books Frank is basically a good guy. He did love Claire, although he had moved on with his life. I always felt that he took her back because that is what he thought he should do--and he loved her. He knew he would never have children of his own, and that might have been important to him, imo, just based on his tenacity in pursuing his genealogy. But he was an ass, too. He was a serial cheater, usually with his students, and he led them to believe that Claire wouldn't let him leave (perhaps would have withheld Bree from him. He also was quite prejudiced against blacks and quite ugly about it. Claire didn't give him permission to cheat, nor was she okay with it. She was a working mother at a time when that was rare and battled feelings of guilt and inadequacies. Bree is supposed to look so much like Jamie that it's pretty obvious to people who see her that he is her father. So, even though show Bree is a convincing mix of the two, she is supposed to look decidedly like the great Scot.
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Post by finaledition on Oct 20, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
Can it just be Sunday already???
I'm not one to wish away a weekend, but I can't wait for this episode!!
Anyone else?
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 20, 2017 21:49:16 GMT
Can it just be Sunday already??? I'm not one to wish away a weekend, but I can't wait for this episode!! Anyone else? I'm ready. I've scouted the internet, listed to podcasts, reread Claire's return to 1766... I've been thinking about this for weeks! Bring it on! I really, really wish that it was on Saturday instead of Sunday. We usually watch it Sunday afternoons with On Demand, because DH goes to bed at 9:15pm on work nights and it's on at 9pm here. I'm not waiting to watch it until the next weekend! But in my mind, it deserves it's own time for viewing, when the lights are low and I'm not distracted with making dinner or finishing up weekend chores. Especially this week!
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Post by jackietex on Oct 21, 2017 0:24:14 GMT
Saturday night at 11:00 my butt will be parked in front of my TV, and my husband knows to go away. NO ONE is going to spoil this for me!
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