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Post by bc2ca on Oct 19, 2017 22:12:24 GMT
I heard him say that, too, and was . SaveSaveI took it as as a bizarre reference to Weinstein. I listened to his statement again and think you are correct. An odd example to use while defending his President, who is not known for treating women as "sacred" IMHO. ETA I don't know any woman that wants to be treated as sacred. Treat me with respect, yes, but don't make me sacred. SaveSave
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 22:13:26 GMT
If in fact that is the case, then Kelly is no longer credible!! And that is EXTREMELY disappointing! The latest fall guy. Could be true, someone on the TV just said that to keep his job, Kelly could very well have said what he was told.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 19, 2017 22:19:11 GMT
what the-- ?? his press conference makes it sound like the Congresswoman was 'listening in' like she was spying on it, or something- if she was there (and she was), at the widow's request (which she was), and she was a family friend (which she was), why wouldn't it have been okay that she heard what was said?? He makes it sound like the Congresswoman had much more important things to do than helping out her friend.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 19, 2017 22:28:24 GMT
I listened to the press conference. Kelly did say that Trump didn't have to make those calls and that all presidents don't make all calls. He was giving him kudos for at least calling, which I get.
I can't stand Trump, but I think Kelly is doing his best to keep our country together during this difficult time, and I will not fault him for any efforts he made today. He didn't lie. He gave facts that would quiet down this situation, which needs to be quieted because we cannot have our military at odds with their Commander in Chief. You just can't, in today's world.
There are a lot of other things to fault Trump on. Let's face it -- almost everything he does is a misstep. He's a buffoon, and he screwed up the wording on his call; however, I'm going to CHOOSE to overlook this. I know when and how to choose my battles and this won't be one of them for me.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 19, 2017 22:35:00 GMT
There is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but........... I can't find the other article where Kelly stated he did not know that dt was going to tell the world that Obama did not call him. No, Kelly said this is what he tells others when he makes that call, not what he was told. Kelly said he tells families that their sons were exactly where they wanted to be and were doing what they wanted to do when they died.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 19, 2017 22:36:01 GMT
i have a feeling they put Kelly up to this probably to deflect the bad press this is getting. they probably figured that if someone credible and respectable said it first, it must not be bad. sorry i'm so cynical but look who we are talking about here. If in fact that is the case, then Kelly is no longer credible!! And that is EXTREMELY disappointing! i just can't put anything past this administration. look it what happened to that check he was supposed to donate to that gold star family last year. he never sent it until they called him on it and, miraculously, that check got put in the mail just YESTERDAY. uggg
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 22:52:12 GMT
There is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but........... I can't find the other article where Kelly stated he did not know that dt was going to tell the world that Obama did not call him. No, Kelly said this is what he tells others when he makes that call, not what he was told. Kelly said he tells families that their sons were exactly where they wanted to be and were doing what they wanted to do when they died. Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day."
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Post by moodyblue on Oct 19, 2017 22:56:32 GMT
So much of this could have been avoided if Trump had the character and class to just say "I wanted to convey my condolences and unfortunately I didn't do that well, and I'm sorry for that. I meant no disrespect and apologize for my words."
It must be horribly stressful to make those calls, and I think we all can realize that words intended to be of comfort are heard through our own personal lenses. For example, I know that some people find religious sentiments like "he's in a better place" to be consoling, but I would find that very offensive. It would be far too easy to totally inadvertently say something that wounds another. Who amongst us hasn't struggled with this very issue? I could possibly overlook his words if he hadn't come out basically calling the Congresswoman a liar. That took this episode into the gutter.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 19, 2017 23:22:01 GMT
that is so awful... Donald Trump is a callous man who has no feeling for anyone or anything but his own reputation and 'winning' every.damn.thing. from Kelly: That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I WISH, WISH, WISH that people would stop explaining what he 'meant' to say or what he was 'trying to say' and just call him what he IS-- an idiot, and a LIAR. I WISH WISH WISH that people would stop jumping all over everything the man says. Perhaps I just just call you what you are---SORE LOSERS who are going to do bitch and moan about every insignificant thing that's done, put a negative spin on everything he does all in an attempt to convince yourselves that you're somehow superior to the rest of the Americans who voted for him.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 19, 2017 23:32:52 GMT
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Post by PLurker on Oct 19, 2017 23:41:52 GMT
that is so awful... Donald Trump is a callous man who has no feeling for anyone or anything but his own reputation and 'winning' every.damn.thing. I WISH, WISH, WISH that people would stop explaining what he 'meant' to say or what he was 'trying to say' and just call him what he IS-- an idiot, and a LIAR. I WISH WISH WISH that people would stop jumping all over everything the man says. Perhaps I just just call you what you are---SORE LOSERSu who are going to do bitch and moan about every insignificant thing that's done, put a negative spin on everything he does all in an attempt to convince yourselves that you're somehow superior to the rest of the Americans who voted for him.I WISH WISH WISH that people didn't have to jump all over everything ill advised, divisive and ugly the man says. Sore losers?! Ha ha hahahahahahahah. Keep telling yourself if it makes you feel better. Everyone I know standing up to 45 are not sore losers but in fear for our country and people. Many were/are republicans that find him a despicable human and ill suited for the job You feel the need to call us sore losers then I get to wonder if perhaps you are a sore winner knowing that your "won", but with that despicable human. How disappointing for you.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 19, 2017 23:43:36 GMT
Not disappointing at all. I happen to agree with just about everything he's trying to do. If he doesn't speak like the eloquent but ineffectual and unAmerican Obama; I'm cool with it.
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Post by tduby1 on Oct 19, 2017 23:48:47 GMT
that is so awful... Donald Trump is a callous man who has no feeling for anyone or anything but his own reputation and 'winning' every.damn.thing. I WISH, WISH, WISH that people would stop explaining what he 'meant' to say or what he was 'trying to say' and just call him what he IS-- an idiot, and a LIAR. I WISH WISH WISH that people would stop jumping all over everything the man says. Perhaps I just just call you what you are---SORE LOSERS who are going to do bitch and moan about every insignificant thing that's done, put a negative spin on everything he does all in an attempt to convince yourselves that you're somehow superior to the rest of the Americans who voted for him. Calling a soldier's family to offer condolences is insiginificant?
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 19, 2017 23:55:40 GMT
No, it's not. But picking apart the words of comfort he tried to offer just because you're intent on denigrating him for everything is mean spirited and disrespectful to the families of these soldiers
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Post by PLurker on Oct 19, 2017 23:56:56 GMT
I get that Gold Star families have made the ultimate sacrifice. I don't get limiting it to questions only from them or any other group. Not right. There's an amendment for that.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 20, 2017 0:05:37 GMT
No, it's not. But picking apart the words of comfort he tried to offer just because you're intent on denigrating him for everything is mean spirited and disrespectful to the families of these soldiers I might have agreed with you if (for one) he hadn't started this mess by denigrating previous POTUS(s) while doing the one thing he is consistent at- praising himself. It's.All.About.Him.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 20, 2017 0:17:46 GMT
Its starting to look like he is willingly joining trump in that cess pool. Say what? That happened the minute he became Chief of Staff. Anyone willingly working for this administration is part of that swamp.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 20, 2017 0:20:28 GMT
No, Kelly said this is what he tells others when he makes that call, not what he was told. Kelly said he tells families that their sons were exactly where they wanted to be and were doing what they wanted to do when they died. "Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. said"And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I went back and read the full transcript and yes, I misheard. He did say it was what his friend General Dunford said to him. Does anyone wonder if the widow may have misheard? Or give Trump any credit for calling? Why would he go out of his way to call and insult her? Kelly advised Trump not to call and he did anyway. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing that creep’s side in this, but when every single thing becomes an axe to grind, I start to question the integrity of the voices being raised. And people in this thread impugning Kelly’s honesty — that’s quite sad. He doesn’t need this job and I suspect the man is standing between a crackpot president and the safety of our troops and our country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 0:20:31 GMT
No, it's not. But picking apart the words of comfort he tried to offer just because you're intent on denigrating him for everything is mean spirited and disrespectful to the families of these soldiers Words of comfort? Really? I hardly think calling him “your guy” and not calling him by name when talking to the widow is “comforting”. Nor is “he knew what he signed up for”. What is mean spirited to the family is the Commander-in-Chief making a condolence call to the widow and not knowing the dead soldier’s name. You would think he would know his name.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 20, 2017 0:20:35 GMT
No, it's not. But picking apart the words of comfort he tried to offer just because you're intent on denigrating him for everything is mean spirited and disrespectful to the families of these soldiers I might have agreed with you if (for one) he hadn't started this mess by denigrating previous POTUS(s) while doing the one thing he is consistent at- praising himself. It's.All.About.Him. If I had a nickle for every time Obama denigrated Bush during his presidency, I'd have a nice little nest egg. But of course we all know that what was acceptable words or conduct for Obama is now deemed awful for Trump.
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 20, 2017 0:20:56 GMT
My children's father went to Afghanistan 5 times. It wasn't because it was what he wanted to do, it was what he felt he needed to do, a sense of duty not desire. He wanted to be home with his children.
I still maintain its disgusting that Pres Trump started the conversation by bragging about being the one to call and write all the families the most, like it's some kind of competition. He politicized gold star families, and it's disgusting.
As for General Kelly I wish he and his family could be left to grieve privately, but his sexist remarks today make it clear he's team Trump. And ridiculous that a pussy grabbing supporter thinks women should be "sacred." This Marine family has lost a lot of respect for him today.
Edited to add, I'd say what a fellow Marine tells a Marine parent that they find comforting is probably much different then what a pregnant spouse needs to hear. And if the POTUS isn't nuanced enough to know the difference, he shouldn't be making phone calls so he can "beat" the previous Presidents. There is a reason casualty assistance officers go through extensive training before they inform and assist grieving families. We've moved past the era of a cold telegram, but I think that maybe preferable to a callous POTUS keeping a scoresheet.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 20, 2017 0:21:41 GMT
"Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. said"And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I went back and read the full transcript and yes, I misheard. He did say it was what his friend General Dunford said to him. Does anyone wonder if the widow may have misheard? Or give Trump any credit for calling? Why would he go out of his way to call and insult her? Kelly advised Trump not to call and he did anyway. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing that creep’s side in this, but when every single thing becomes an axe to grind, I start to question the integrity of the voices being raised. And people in this thread impugning Kelly’s honesty — that’s quite sad. He doesn’t need this job and I suspect the man is standing between a crackpot president and the safety of our troops and our country. People are so engrossed in their hatred of Trump that they will impugn anyone who has anything to do with the administration. They are disgusting human beings.
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 20, 2017 0:36:45 GMT
I heard him say that, too, and was . SaveSaveI took it as as a bizarre reference to Weinstein. I think you're right. Here's the quote:
"You know, when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That’s obviously not the case anymore as we see from recent cases."
He sounds quite out of touch there, to me. Is he not aware of Trump's history? And does he think that sexual assault and harassment are new things?
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 20, 2017 0:56:43 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2017 0:56:48 GMT
I went back and read the full transcript and yes, I misheard. He did say it was what his friend General Dunford said to him. Does anyone wonder if the widow may have misheard? Or give Trump any credit for calling? Why would he go out of his way to call and insult her? Kelly advised Trump not to call and he did anyway. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing that creep’s side in this, but when every single thing becomes an axe to grind, I start to question the integrity of the voices being raised. And people in this thread impugning Kelly’s honesty — that’s quite sad. He doesn’t need this job and I suspect the man is standing between a crackpot president and the safety of our troops and our country. With Kelly's explanation I have no doubt that dt used those words, but as I said in the original post, Gen Dunford used those words to his FRIEND who was also a high ranking officer. I do not think that those words were appropriate for a young civilian, 6 months pregnant on her way to receive her dead husband's body. All that is necessary is to say I am so very sorry for your loss! I do not think the dt should have ever brought up Kelly's son's death, that should have remained PRIVATE. Until today I have had great respect for Kelly, thinking he, Mattis(sp), McMaster would keep us reasonably safe. Kelly is Chief of Staff, he should KNOW that his boss says things that others have to constantly explain what he really meant. And he had to explain it again today. This is not a contest. Every president should do the job to the best of his ability. Let go of yesterday and move forward. I am not a sore loser, I have been voting for many many years. I volunteered and still have my 'I LIKE IKE' cuff links!
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Post by AmandaA on Oct 20, 2017 1:18:49 GMT
"Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. said"And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I went back and read the full transcript and yes, I misheard. He did say it was what his friend General Dunford said to him. Does anyone wonder if the widow may have misheard? Or give Trump any credit for calling? Why would he go out of his way to call and insult her? Kelly advised Trump not to call and he did anyway. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing that creep’s side in this, but when every single thing becomes an axe to grind, I start to question the integrity of the voices being raised. And people in this thread impugning Kelly’s honesty — that’s quite sad. He doesn’t need this job and I suspect the man is standing between a crackpot president and the safety of our troops and our country. I don't believe (or I really hope) he would intentionally do that in this circumstance. What I do believe is that he is such an ignorant asshole that he cannot even fathom that the words that come out of his mouth might be insulting, offensive, etc. Nor do I believe that any of his people would try and point that out or that he would accept that even if one of them had the balls to do it. I believe this is all a result of his complete lack of poise, manners, and a dozen other negative traits that I think most everyone on this thread can easily name. I imagine in his mind every time he opens his pie hole he thinks the angels in heaven are singing his praises for the beautiful, fantastic words that come out of his mouth- unlike anyone else who has ever spoken the English language... heavy sarcasm in case anyone isn't interpreting it that way 😉
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2017 1:28:12 GMT
I don't believe (or I really hope) he would intentionally do that in this circumstance. What I do believe is that he is such an ignorant asshole that he cannot even fathom that the words that come out of his mouth might be insulting, offensive, etc. right.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2017 1:46:45 GMT
"Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. said"And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I went back and read the full transcript and yes, I misheard. He did say it was what his friend General Dunford said to him. Does anyone wonder if the widow may have misheard? Or give Trump any credit for calling? Why would he go out of his way to call and insult her? Kelly advised Trump not to call and he did anyway. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing that creep’s side in this, but when every single thing becomes an axe to grind, I start to question the integrity of the voices being raised. And people in this thread impugning Kelly’s honesty — that’s quite sad. He doesn’t need this job and I suspect the man is standing between a crackpot president and the safety of our troops and our country. I think he called because he was getting pressure to do so. But I don't think he had bad intentions. I think what he said is another example of his inability to say things that are appropriate for the situation. It happens pretty much any time he speaks. In many instances he says the same things, "I love xxx Such a lovely place. And the(insert local tidbit here) is the best." then he goes on to say a bunch of nonsense and praise himself. People roll their eyes. In the business world, he isn't on camera every day and what he said to one employee or other CEO is not known when he goes to see the next. But now we all know what he says every time he talks to a leader, or goes to the location of a natural disaster, and we see how inadequate his words really are.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 20, 2017 1:52:58 GMT
This was the straw that broke the camel's back in my house. My husband said this morning he needs to be impeached. My die hard family and friends are all very slowly coming around and I have a lot of them.
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Post by beebee on Oct 20, 2017 1:54:02 GMT
I took it as as a bizarre reference to Weinstein. I think you're right. Here's the quote:
"You know, when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That’s obviously not the case anymore as we see from recent cases."
He sounds quite out of touch there, to me. Is he not aware of Trump's history? And does he think that sexual assault and harassment are new things?
I took it as a reference to Weinstein. I thought it was a statement of respect towards women.
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