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Post by lucyg on Oct 22, 2017 20:04:16 GMT
Which you only did after Pearl, if memory serves me. So I'm relatively certain it wasn't because your politicians were overly concerned about the Europeans. I understand that you're responding to a provocative poster. I do ask that you don't overly simplify the US response in WWII - as well as insult the many, many Americans who have to cross the Atlantic to visit their relative's graves. We could have chosen to limit our engagement to Japan and the Pacific - and as an estimated 270,000 Americans were killed fighting in Europe and about 40,000 in the Pacific - our losses to defeat Nazi Germany were significant. No, we couldn't have chosen to limit our engagement. Germany declared war on us a few days after Pearl Harbor. We declared war on them in response. Aside from the fact that a Europe unified under Hitler's control most certainly wouldn't have been good news for the U.S. So while we absolutely did provide some selfless assistance to the Allies before we got into the war, and as part of the Allies after we got in, we were also very much in it to protect ourselves.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 22, 2017 20:25:14 GMT
It defies logic that there is some beginning of the speech in which she takes credit for the funding. Are you suggesting that the Sun-Sentinel is falsifying this?
There's no doubt that she did take some credit for pushing the name through, but what else would you expect from a Congressperson? She also mentions that the naming bill passed with bipartisan support.
I'm suggesting the Sun-Sentinel doesn't have a complete video. Having heard way too many politicians, I don't think it defies logic at all that she would suggest she was responsible for the funding before introducing those who helped her pass the bill - or at least said something to give John Kelly that impression. I also still maintain that this entire discussion is ridiculous. I don't think Wilson should have discussed a phrase she had an issue from overhearing Trump with to the press, politicizing a condolence call. I don't think Kelly should have brought up some random speech from 30 years ago that Wilson gave that rubbed him the wrong way with the press. This entire thing is petty and people are way more interested in playing gotcha. She wasn't even in Congress yet at the time of the events in question. I'm so sure she was bragging about calling Pres. Obama and getting $20 million in funding from him. NOT. The video I saw showed her giving bipartisan credit to various Washington swamp-dwellers (ha ha) for quickly making the naming ceremony possible when asked. She did not address the financing of the building. She did speak at length about the slain FBI officers' heroism, honored their families, and also honored the law enforcement officers who were present at the ceremony. Her speech was completely appropriate and Gen. Kelly's statement about it was completely inappropriate. For whatever reason, possibly involving his own grief, he misinterpreted her words 100%. Attacking the congresswoman the way he did was out-of-place and inappropriate. I want to add that while I don't think "he knew what he was signing up for" were the right words for the president to use, I don't think he meant them to be flippant or disrespectful. I do think that making a point of informing the press that his predecessors didn't call families but he does was flippant and disrespectful and was responsible for setting off this whole chain of events, and then (apparently) lying about what he'd said to this soldier's widow was even worse. I also think Congresswoman Wilson had every right to be in that car and listen to the call. Trump, Sanders, and Kelly all sound like idiots for insisting otherwise. I understand her being upset if Trump's words were hurtful to the family. But I think she should have given him the benefit of the doubt instead of insisting he was being disrespectful. Once they started attacking her, though, all bets are off. If the family is okay with this ridiculous battle going on in public, then I have no problem with it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 22, 2017 20:43:20 GMT
I thought this was very well done. John Kelly showed his true colorsBy Dorothy A. Brown Updated 9:00 PM ET, Fri October 20, 2017 Editor’s Note: Dorothy A. Brown is a professor of law at Emory University. The views expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author. (CNN)On October 4, tragedy struck and four Americans were killed in Niger. For over a week Donald Trump was silent. On October 16, President Trump was asked why he had not spoken about the Niger ambush. His answer: most presidents, including President Obama, had not contacted families of American troops killed in duty. He said, however, that he planned to make calls. When reporters followed up, President Trump conceded that President Obama probably did make calls sometimes. Trump said he was merely repeating what he had been told and that he relies on his generals. Trump finally did call the widow of one of the four service members killed, and controversy erupted when he reportedly told her that her slain husband "knew what he was getting into." But the real guilty party here is not President Trump, for insensitivity, but White House Chief of Staff Gen. John Kelly. Kelly, whose son, Robert, died in Afghanistan in 2010, was thrust into the spotlight on this issue by his boss, and appeared in the White House briefing room on Thursday afternoon. Here he delivered a powerful recounting of how the remains of soldiers killed in action are taken from the battlefield to their homes, honored, and revered. As stirring and emotional as these early remarks from the chief of staff were, what followed in the press conference revealed something else about Kelly: He is a Make America Great Again kind of guy.Some background: Many found hope when Kelly was appointed as White House chief of staff. They said a grown-up was now in the White House.Kelly was appointed and heads rolled: out went Anthony Scaramucci, Steve Bannon, and Sebastian Gorka. Kelly was photographed hanging his head when, during a Q&A with reporters, President Trump was unable to condemn the Nazis and white supremacists marching in Charlottesville, while describing violence "on many sides." In Kelly's press conference Thursday, he didn't live up to his reputation as a grown-up. He said, "President Obama did not call my family, " though he made it clear he wasn't criticizing Obama. He appeared to jump from his personal experience and to the conclusion that President Obama must not have called any families. The White House chief of staff did not do his homework. President Obama not only made calls but he often consoled family members in real time. Whatever a chief of staff is supposed to do, he is supposed to get the facts right before advising the President or speaking to the press. He also talked wistfully about how women were sacred in his youth and he seemed to long for those times. Kelly was born in 1950, so his youth wasn't particularly the best time for women or people of color in the US. Also, women have never been treated like we were sacred. Not when Kelly was a child and not in 2017.
Some context: October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. It was not created because once upon a time women were sacred but now we need a month dedicated to domestic violence awareness because somehow we lost our way. Marital rape was not even a crime until 1979 -- and at the time was still not a crime in every state.
Women are not sacred today. If we were, the White House would not be occupied by a man who was taped admitting to sexually assaulting women because "they let you do it," as he so unartfully put it. Kelly works for that guy.If women were sacred, Kelly would not have referred to an elected member of Congress, a black woman, as an "empty barrel" -- an insult to Frederica Wilson's intelligence that was far out of line for someone who claims not to want to politicize this situation further. Neither would he have lied about what Wilson said at a dedication ceremony of an FBI building in 2015. With this press conference, Kelly has done his President and the country a disservice. He took a tragic situation and made it worse. He owes his boss and the country an apology. www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/opinions/john-kelly-press-conference-dorothy-brown-opinion/index.html
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Post by scrappypool on Oct 22, 2017 20:50:11 GMT
I understand that you're responding to a provocative poster. I do ask that you don't overly simplify the US response in WWII - as well as insult the many, many Americans who have to cross the Atlantic to visit their relative's graves. We could have chosen to limit our engagement to Japan and the Pacific - and as an estimated 270,000 Americans were killed fighting in Europe and about 40,000 in the Pacific - our losses to defeat Nazi Germany were significant. No, we couldn't have chosen to limit our engagement. Germany declared war on us a few days after Pearl Harbor. We declared war on them in response. Aside from the fact that a Europe unified under Hitler's control most certainly wouldn't have been good news for the U.S. So while we absolutely did provide some selfless assistance to the Allies before we got into the war, and as part of the Allies after we got in, we were also very much in it to protect ourselves.
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Post by scrappypool on Oct 22, 2017 20:56:23 GMT
I understand that you're responding to a provocative poster. I do ask that you don't overly simplify the US response in WWII - as well as insult the many, many Americans who have to cross the Atlantic to visit their relative's graves. We could have chosen to limit our engagement to Japan and the Pacific - and as an estimated 270,000 Americans were killed fighting in Europe and about 40,000 in the Pacific - our losses to defeat Nazi Germany were significant. No, we couldn't have chosen to limit our engagement. Germany declared war on us a few days after Pearl Harbor. We declared war on them in response. Aside from the fact that a Europe unified under Hitler's control most certainly wouldn't have been good news for the U.S. So while we absolutely did provide some selfless assistance to the Allies before we got into the war, and as part of the Allies after we got in, we were also very much in it to protect ourselves. I’m sorry I don’t often post but I read a lot and I can’t help but comment. Without the US intervention it is clear that the Allies couldn’t have kept going but I do want to point out that US support wasn’t entirely selfless or altruistic. The UK had to give up strategic bases to the US and the supplies you thankfully provided were under something called Lend Lease which pretty much bankrupted Britain. We finally finished paying back the loans sometime this century. I
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Post by lucyg on Oct 22, 2017 21:18:41 GMT
No, we couldn't have chosen to limit our engagement. Germany declared war on us a few days after Pearl Harbor. We declared war on them in response. Aside from the fact that a Europe unified under Hitler's control most certainly wouldn't have been good news for the U.S. So while we absolutely did provide some selfless assistance to the Allies before we got into the war, and as part of the Allies after we got in, we were also very much in it to protect ourselves. I’m sorry I don’t often post but I read a lot and I can’t help but comment. Without the US intervention it is clear that the Allies couldn’t have kept going but I do want to point out that US support wasn’t entirely selfless or altruistic. The UK had to give up strategic bases to the US and the supplies you thankfully provided were under something called Lend Lease which pretty much bankrupted Britain. We finally finished paying back the loans sometime this century. I Thanks, I wasn't aware of this financial issue impacting the UK. According to this 2006 New York Times article, it wasn't Lend-Lease specifically but rather Britain's war debt in general that this post-war loan covered. I don't think we went into the war with the intent to benefit financially from Britain's woes.
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 23, 2017 0:02:18 GMT
The White House chief of staff did not do his homework. President Obama not only made calls but he often consoled family members in real time. Whatever a chief of staff is supposed to do, he is supposed to get the facts right before advising the President or speaking to the press. This! Kelly was supposed to be the one to get some order into the circus that the White House has become! To impose some discipline, etc. Trump should have been prepared for the question on Niger, but he clearly wasn't. Kelly should have been prepared and not rambled on and lied. I guess he's more like Trump than we hoped. We're doomed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 23, 2017 0:37:33 GMT
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 23, 2017 12:56:43 GMT
POTUS calling a grieving widow a liar on Twitter is disgraceful, and makes it clear he cares nothing about disrespecting the military no matter how many times he brings up the NFL protests.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 23, 2017 13:02:22 GMT
POTUS calling a grieving widow a liar on Twitter is disgraceful, and makes it clear he cares nothing about disrespecting the military no matter how many times he brings up the NFL protests. Yep. If I were in the military right now, I'd be asking myself - if something happens to me, will my widow be treated this way? Will my family be treated with such public disrespect? All it takes is a simple "I'm sorry. I would like to thank you for your sacrifice. La David was important to you and to us, and I am truly sorry for your loss." Recognize him. It's not difficult. And I really do think - is it beneath Trump to 'go after' the widow on other ways, holding up some life insurance checks or other benefits? Because it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he tried to get back at her by holding up payments until after an investigation or some extra paperwork is filed. Just long enough for her to lose her home and totally mess up her life even more than his death already has. Again, if I were in the military this is something I would be thinking long and hard about.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Oct 23, 2017 13:13:45 GMT
The White House chief of staff did not do his homework. President Obama not only made calls but he often consoled family members in real time. Whatever a chief of staff is supposed to do, he is supposed to get the facts right before advising the President or speaking to the press. This! Kelly was supposed to be the one to get some order into the circus that the White House has become! To impose some discipline, etc. Trump should have been prepared for the question on Niger, but he clearly wasn't. Kelly should have been prepared and not rambled on and lied. I guess he's more like Trump than we hoped. We're doomed. We are all doomed.
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Post by ajsweetpea on Oct 23, 2017 13:43:58 GMT
The thing that really stands out to me is the complete lack of empathy that Trump is showing towards the widow and the family of La David Johnson. This didn't need to turn into an all out war. He could have ended things by saying "I'm sorry if my words didn't come across as I intended. I apologize to the family and want to express my gratitude to the family of La David Johnson for his service. I know this is a tremendous loss for his family." That's all. Instead it turns into an all out war with he said, she said, and so on. For a man who is supposed to love and respect our military so much, his words ring empty. Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? His inability to deal with any sort of criticism is petty and appalling. Guess what, dude, this isn't all about you. A family has lost their husband and father.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 23, 2017 16:28:13 GMT
Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? In a word: Yes. (yes he did, and NO, we won't.)
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Post by gar on Oct 23, 2017 16:30:17 GMT
Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? In a word: Yes. (yes he did, and NO, we won't.) I was just about to reply to the first question in exactly the same way
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Post by gar on Oct 23, 2017 17:24:20 GMT
As a BBC reporter just said "He can't even allow a grieving widow to have the last word."
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 23, 2017 17:36:13 GMT
The thing that really stands out to me is the complete lack of empathy that Trump is showing towards the widow and the family of La David Johnson. This didn't need to turn into an all out war. He could have ended things by saying "I'm sorry if my words didn't come across as I intended. I apologize to the family and want to express my gratitude to the family of La David Johnson for his service. I know this is a tremendous loss for his family." That's all. Instead it turns into an all out war with he said, she said, and so on. For a man who is supposed to love and respect our military so much, his words ring empty. Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? His inability to deal with any sort of criticism is petty and appalling. Guess what, dude, this isn't all about you. A family has lost their husband and father. I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable.
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Post by Enna on Oct 23, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable. I agree. I saw his picture and thought that now I understand the phone call. His racism runs deep.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 23, 2017 19:46:04 GMT
The thing that really stands out to me is the complete lack of empathy that Trump is showing towards the widow and the family of La David Johnson. This didn't need to turn into an all out war. He could have ended things by saying "I'm sorry if my words didn't come across as I intended. I apologize to the family and want to express my gratitude to the family of La David Johnson for his service. I know this is a tremendous loss for his family." That's all. Instead it turns into an all out war with he said, she said, and so on. For a man who is supposed to love and respect our military so much, his words ring empty. Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? His inability to deal with any sort of criticism is petty and appalling. Guess what, dude, this isn't all about you. A family has lost their husband and father. I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable. Absolutely this. My first thought was what did he say to the families of the white soldiers. I haven't heard that, but have wondered why some reporter doesn't find out.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 23, 2017 20:09:47 GMT
I think decent reporters are waiting to ask questions of the others.........
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Post by papersilly on Oct 23, 2017 20:19:03 GMT
The thing that really stands out to me is the complete lack of empathy that Trump is showing towards the widow and the family of La David Johnson. This didn't need to turn into an all out war. He could have ended things by saying "I'm sorry if my words didn't come across as I intended. I apologize to the family and want to express my gratitude to the family of La David Johnson for his service. I know this is a tremendous loss for his family." That's all. Instead it turns into an all out war with he said, she said, and so on. For a man who is supposed to love and respect our military so much, his words ring empty. Did he really think by becoming President, everyone in the world would tell him how wonderful he was all the time? His inability to deal with any sort of criticism is petty and appalling. Guess what, dude, this isn't all about you. A family has lost their husband and father. I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable. i couldn't help but think the same thing when i watched her interview this morning. my heart just went out to her and her family. i believed her. i have no doubt he fumbled his words, sounded insincere and wouldn't have known La David's name were it not on a folder right in front of him. my biggest takeaway is WHY won't they let her see the body? nothing. not even a finger, according to her. why is she not entitled to that? someone should be giving her the answer to that and granting her request instead of hopping on Twitter right after her interview to make the matter worse.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 23, 2017 20:20:14 GMT
i'm sorry, but what credibility Kelly had with me is gone. i think he chose the wrong train to get behind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 20:48:08 GMT
I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable. Absolutely this. My first thought was what did he say to the families of the white soldiers. I haven't heard that, but have wondered why some reporter doesn't find out. I'm impressed with the restraint exhibited here. It took 6 pages before someone threw in the race card! What a GREAT idea to have some decent journalists like Rachel Maddow or Lawrence O'Donnell start banging on the doors of the widows of white soldiers so we can dig into their tragedies. We NEED to know what DT said to them! The American people have a RIGHT to know what he said to them! That sounds like an absolutely awesome story, and imagine the headlines!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 22:04:12 GMT
It defies logic that there is some beginning of the speech in which she takes credit for the funding. Are you suggesting that the Sun-Sentinel is falsifying this?
There's no doubt that she did take some credit for pushing the name through, but what else would you expect from a Congressperson? She also mentions that the naming bill passed with bipartisan support.
I'm suggesting the Sun-Sentinel doesn't have a complete video. Having heard way too many politicians, I don't think it defies logic at all that she would suggest she was responsible for the funding before introducing those who helped her pass the bill - or at least said something to give John Kelly that impression. I also still maintain that this entire discussion is ridiculous. I don't think Wilson should have discussed a phrase she had an issue from overhearing Trump with to the press, politicizing a condolence call. I don't think Kelly should have brought up some random speech from 30 years ago that Wilson gave that rubbed him the wrong way with the press. This entire thing is petty and people are way more interested in playing gotcha. This exactly. This is what set it all into motion. She and Trump were both wrong to engage in this, but SHE set it into motion. And the more that comes out about her the more it reeks of politicizing and manipulating the situation against Trump. She said she "looked up empty barrel and it's a racist statement." What a liar she is. That alone clearly shows her purpose for all of this. She also used the exact same sentiment in response to fallen FBI agents that she's now objecting to Trump using. She understood the comfort she meant to offer to those she said it to, but then turned it around on Trump when he used that sentiment. She's being portrayed that she’s such a supporter of veterans, but she voted too many times against their best interest. Including denying them death and burial benefits when it suited her agenda. She has no more credibility in this situation. There were some good suggestions here as to how Trump could have/should have handled her calling him out, and they were right. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to speak and act appropriately in way too many situations. In this situation, the self proclaimed "rock star" doesn't either.
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 23, 2017 22:08:41 GMT
I am just going to say it. I think that part of the reason he is comfortable behaving this way is because her name is Myesha, and her husband was named La David, and they are black. Personally comfortable, and politically comfortable. i couldn't help but think the same thing when i watched her interview this morning. my heart just went out to her and her family. i believed her. i have no doubt he fumbled his words, sounded insincere and wouldn't have known La David's name were it not on a folder right in front of him. my biggest takeaway is WHY won't they let her see the body? nothing. not even a finger, according to her. why is she not entitled to that? someone should be giving her the answer to that and granting her request instead of hopping on Twitter right after her interview to make the matter worse. Unfortunately it is not rare for combat casualty remains to be classified as non viewable. Now given that he was missing in action for a few days and then found and there haven't been answers to the family forthcoming, I can understand why she is struggling to process his remains being non viewable. But again, that is unfortunately not rare for combat related deaths.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 23, 2017 22:12:35 GMT
i couldn't help but think the same thing when i watched her interview this morning. my heart just went out to her and her family. i believed her. i have no doubt he fumbled his words, sounded insincere and wouldn't have known La David's name were it not on a folder right in front of him. my biggest takeaway is WHY won't they let her see the body? nothing. not even a finger, according to her. why is she not entitled to that? someone should be giving her the answer to that and granting her request instead of hopping on Twitter right after her interview to make the matter worse. Unfortunately it is not rare for combat casualty remains to be classified as non viewable. Now given that he was missing in action for a few days and then found and there haven't been answers to the family forthcoming, I can understand why she is struggling to process his remains being non viewable. But again, that is unfortunately not rare for combat related deaths. thanks for that insight!! i never knew that! that's so sad. i don't know how i would be able to handle that. she just wanted something, anything. i think i would give her closure to know (in her words) "who is in that box".
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 23, 2017 22:14:35 GMT
What set it all in motion was the POTUS refusing to answer questions about the incident in Niger, even to say they are investigating it, but instead deflecting and bragging that he has called everyone or virtually everyone of those killed under him as commander in chief, and throwing out the fact that Pres Obama didn't call Gen Kelly when his son was killed. The media wouldn't have been asking the family about a phone call if POTUS hadn't insisted he called them all and was the only one to do so. And he continues to fan the flames by calling the congresswoman's statement a "fabrication" and today essentially calling the widow a liar.
And where was the outrage about politicizing gold star widows when POTUS paraded one at the State of the Union address?
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 23, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
Unfortunately it is not rare for combat casualty remains to be classified as non viewable. Now given that he was missing in action for a few days and then found and there haven't been answers to the family forthcoming, I can understand why she is struggling to process his remains being non viewable. But again, that is unfortunately not rare for combat related deaths. thanks for that insight!! i never knew that! that's so sad. i don't know how i would be able to handle that. she just wanted something, anything. i think i would give her closure to know (in her words) "who is in that box". Unfortunately what's in the box won't give her closure. It's very likely there is nothing identifiable. She unfortunately has to trust the DNA and can request the autopsy report. Which I can only imagine is very difficult in these circumstances. Or it's possible that something is being covered up, it happens too, like the case of Pat Tillman for example.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 23, 2017 22:24:48 GMT
thanks for that insight!! i never knew that! that's so sad. i don't know how i would be able to handle that. she just wanted something, anything. i think i would give her closure to know (in her words) "who is in that box". Unfortunately what's in the box won't give her closure. It's very likely there is nothing identifiable. She unfortunately has to trust the DNA and can request the autopsy report. Which I can only imagine is very difficult in these circumstances. Or it's possible that something is being covered up, it happens too, like the case of Pat Tillman for example. The next of kin can decide to open the coffin after the remains have been inspected and cleared by the medical examiner. The classifications are the recommendation of the mortuary at Dover, and indicate whether the remains are identifiable or viewing "will cause greater distress to the family."
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 23, 2017 22:52:28 GMT
Unfortunately what's in the box won't give her closure. It's very likely there is nothing identifiable. She unfortunately has to trust the DNA and can request the autopsy report. Which I can only imagine is very difficult in these circumstances. Or it's possible that something is being covered up, it happens too, like the case of Pat Tillman for example. The next of kin can decide to open the coffin after the remains have been inspected and cleared by the medical examiner. The classifications are the recommendation of the mortuary at Dover, and indicate whether the remains are identifiable or viewing "will cause greater distress to the family." Gen. Dunford said in the Pentagon briefing today that it is up to the next of kin to decide if they want to open the coffin.
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 23, 2017 22:59:23 GMT
The next of kin can decide to open the coffin after the remains have been inspected and cleared by the medical examiner. The classifications are the recommendation of the mortuary at Dover, and indicate whether the remains are identifiable or viewing "will cause greater distress to the family." Gen. Dunford said in the Pentagon briefing today that it is up to the next of kin to decide if they want to open the coffin. For some reason she thought she was not allowed to see the body. If it were me I would want someone in the family (my father or brother) to see the body.
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