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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 20, 2017 19:17:30 GMT
It defies logic that there is some beginning of the speech in which she takes credit for the funding. Are you suggesting that the Sun-Sentinel is falsifying this?
There's no doubt that she did take some credit for pushing the name through, but what else would you expect from a Congressperson? She also mentions that the naming bill passed with bipartisan support.
I'm suggesting the Sun-Sentinel doesn't have a complete video. Having heard way too many politicians, I don't think it defies logic at all that she would suggest she was responsible for the funding before introducing those who helped her pass the bill - or at least said something to give John Kelly that impression. I also still maintain that this entire discussion is ridiculous. I don't think Wilson should have discussed a phrase she had an issue from overhearing Trump with to the press, politicizing a condolence call. I don't think Kelly should have brought up some random speech from 30 years ago that Wilson gave that rubbed him the wrong way with the press. This entire thing is petty and people are way more interested in playing gotcha. It was 2 years ago. No one else seems to have interpreted her words the way that he now says that he did. Is there any evidence to back up his version of it?
It might seem like a trivial thing to you, but in one statement, John Kelly both confirmed that the president is lying, and then trashed a member of Congress. I guess we live in times where that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to you, but it freakin' should!
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 20, 2017 19:39:11 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the initial news report of the Congresswoman being asked questions by the press at the airport? This was all I found. Did she say the phone call was insensitive right then and there? I can't find her original statement.
Later in the segment, after Wilson declared that the tragedy “might wind up to be Trump’s Benghazi,” she was asked if she was also possibly guilty politicizing Johnson’s death by publicizing a private phone call — as Trump has since dragged General Kelly’s deceased son into the fray. “When I got out of the car someone asked me a question, and I answered the question. I was done,” Wilson replied. “I’m concerned about why he died, why wasn’t he protected? Why was he left 24 hours without anyone finding him, was he captured? Was he murdered? What happened to him? That’s concerned about.”
Which seems quite telling why the WH might rather talk about a "he said she said" instead of what happened in Niger.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2017 19:56:13 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the initial news report of the Congresswoman being asked questions by the press at the airport? This was all I found. Did she say the phone call was insensitive right then and there? I can't find her original statement. She was on phone on The View the morning after.... I don't remember where her statement started... |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 20, 2017 20:04:46 GMT
I'm suggesting the Sun-Sentinel doesn't have a complete video. Having heard way too many politicians, I don't think it defies logic at all that she would suggest she was responsible for the funding before introducing those who helped her pass the bill - or at least said something to give John Kelly that impression. I also still maintain that this entire discussion is ridiculous. I don't think Wilson should have discussed a phrase she had an issue from overhearing Trump with to the press, politicizing a condolence call. I don't think Kelly should have brought up some random speech from 30 years ago that Wilson gave that rubbed him the wrong way with the press. This entire thing is petty and people are way more interested in playing gotcha. It was 2 years ago. No one else seems to have interpreted her words the way that he now says that he did. Is there any evidence to back up his version of it?
It might seem like a trivial thing to you, but in one statement, John Kelly both confirmed that the president is lying, and then trashed a member of Congress. I guess we live in times where that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to you, but it freakin' should!
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 20, 2017 20:12:19 GMT
It was 2 years ago. No one else seems to have interpreted her words the way that he now says that he did. Is there any evidence to back up his version of it?
It might seem like a trivial thing to you, but in one statement, John Kelly both confirmed that the president is lying, and then trashed a member of Congress. I guess we live in times where that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to you, but it freakin' should!
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. He might well be trying to distract people. I'm glad to see that McCain seems to be following up on the details of what happened in Niger. I hope he gets some answers.
But I will not sit back and let the president and his chief of staff lie about things, even if you find the lies trivial. Someday they'll lie about something that's not trivial to you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2017 21:03:25 GMT
I'll go find it......... I just looked though 11 pages of google looking for th efirst article I red about the phone call, but there many many bout Kelly being wrong about the FBI thing............
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 21:06:06 GMT
But when you do butt in and or dismiss past treaties/agreements or interfere with the implementation of those same agreements that subsequently have or will have a negative and unfavourable effect on other countries, then the citizens of those countries, be it Norway, Britain or wherever have every right to voice their opinion about the idiot you've put in charge of yours. He's doing what those Americans who elected him want him to do. Sorry if that doesn't fit with the needs of your country. It has nothing to do with the needs of my country. I'm sure the rest of the world already knows that there is a segment of the US that are quite happy for him to lie, renege of agreements made, promises not kept and whatever else those Americans that elected him to do are happy with. I hope they're all proud of themselves because no one else, including many of your own citizens, holds any of them up to the most basic standard of morality. It must be pretty exhausting having to constantly defend the indefensible. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2017 21:11:57 GMT
In attack on Frederica Wilson over Trump’s call to widow, John Kelly gets facts wrongwww.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article179869321.htmlVideo debunks John Kelly's claim that Frederica Wilson took credit for FBI building fundswww.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/20/chief-staff-kelly-falsely-accuses-rep-wilson-taking-credit-funding-fbi-building/784456001/Fact-checking John Kelly on Frederica Wilson's 2015 speechwww.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/20/john-kelly/fact-checking-john-kelly-frederica-wilsons-2015-sp/What I have said from day ONE! Gen. Kelly has been hacked by the president
BY MARIA CARDONA, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 10/20/17 04:20 PM EDT "There are many more...............The words “he knew what he was signing up for…” or any variation thereof, will fall very differently on the ears of an older, lifelong Marine general than they would on the ears of a 24-year-old mother of two — who has another on the way — especially when they are coming from someone who didn’t even seem to know her husband’s name."Worth reading............thehill.com/opinion/white-house/356441-gen-kelly-has-been-hacked-by-the-presidentGen. John Kelly was just hacked. Not by Russian trolls, but by President Donald Trump’s pernicious and voracious need to be vindicated. It was a disappointing turn of events to see a Marine-turned-chief-of-staff take the White House podium and complete his transformation from the adult in the room to a political attack dog.
This new role serves neither his boss nor the nation well.
It was a stunning development in what already had become a vulgar couple of days; a sacrosanct ceremonial act —the president calling the families of fallen soldiers to express his deepest sympathies — had turned into a series of insults and accusations, started by President Trump, himself.
Gen. Kelly’s comments in a vacuum were not off target. His frustration regarding the disgusting state of our civil discourse is shared by most Americans — and the rest of the world. Many would also agree that things that used to be sacred no longer are — women, religion, Gold-Star families. But what was so jaw-dropping about Kelly’s comments was that they were not made in a vacuum. They were made from the press room of a White House whose current occupant was the perpetrator of the vile actions that violently stripped the sacredness out of the very things — and people — Kelly was talking about. Did Gen. Kelly forget that it was Trump who callously attacked a Gold-Star family — the Khans — during the summer political conventions of 2016? Did he forget that it was Trump who viciously insulted a war hero — Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) — when he said that he likes heroes who weren’t captured? Did Gen. Kelly forget that it was his boss who was caught on tape bragging about committing sexual assault and attacking any woman he wanted by grabbing her by the genitals? Did he forget that it was his boss — and later Kelly himself as the secretary of Homeland Security — that disrespected a whole religion by trying to implement the Muslim ban? I understand why Gen. Kelly was upset. After all, his own son’s death had been brought into the putrid spiral of Trump rhetoric. What's more, I am not convinced that is was Gen. Kelly’s choice to come out and play the role of partisan pundit and political henchman for Trump.
But he did, and by doing so, he has descended into the muck of uncivil partisanship that he himself was deriding.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 20, 2017 21:51:11 GMT
I can understand Gen Kelly coming to the defense of 45- it's his job. I think he should have stopped there though because all the 'other stuff' is not one size fits all and there is often more to the story.
While he, a career military guy, may have found comfort in hearing from someone that his son died for 'something he signed up for' or 'being where he wanted to be' etc, it may or may not be true for others and is presumptuous. I know of and am friends with people who signed up for the military as a last resort from other bad things happening in their lives. It was an only choice not a first choice, if that makes sense.
Also condemning the congresswoman without knowing the rest or whole story is short sighted. The family has a right to have whoever they want around them. They had a personal relationship and... ( the story goes on)
Long story short, 45 and co. should have kept it same- it free of assumptions and opinions. Thanks for you loved ones service. etc. Short and sweet basically.
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Post by megop on Oct 20, 2017 22:26:10 GMT
It was 2 years ago. No one else seems to have interpreted her words the way that he now says that he did. Is there any evidence to back up his version of it?
It might seem like a trivial thing to you, but in one statement, John Kelly both confirmed that the president is lying, and then trashed a member of Congress. I guess we live in times where that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to you, but it freakin' should!
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. Bingo. Classic PR tactic. Be first to reframe, redirect arguments away from what you don't want to say. |
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Post by megop on Oct 20, 2017 22:30:34 GMT
He's doing what those Americans who elected him want him to do. Sorry if that doesn't fit with the needs of your country. It has nothing to do with the needs of my country. I'm sure the rest of the world already knows that there is a segment of the US that are quite happy for him to lie, renege of agreements made, promises not kept and whatever else those Americans that elected him to do are happy with. I hope they're all proud of themselves because no one else, including many of your own citizens, holds any of them up to the most basic standard of morality. It must be pretty exhausting having to constantly defend the indefensible. And while media and general public focuses on tweets, phone calls etc. etc. policy talk gets largely ignored precisely because of all the "noise." |
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 20, 2017 22:37:33 GMT
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. Bingo. Classic PR tactic. Be first to reframe, redirect arguments away from what you don't want to say. Of course it is....he's a reality television personality with a brand along with others in his family. My fellow Trump haters are all in agreement that when he starts to show his ass on twitter that it's got to be a distraction to something much worse.....in this case....Niger. Go back and look at the trend of his tweets and you can see that most of the time some other issue is brewing in the background. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 20, 2017 23:28:28 GMT
It was 2 years ago. No one else seems to have interpreted her words the way that he now says that he did. Is there any evidence to back up his version of it?
It might seem like a trivial thing to you, but in one statement, John Kelly both confirmed that the president is lying, and then trashed a member of Congress. I guess we live in times where that doesn't even raise an eyebrow to you, but it freakin' should!
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. Speaking of distractions: I've read/listened to two interviews in the past 24 hours in which a Trump staffer insisted that the interviewer/public should not be maligning the regular soldiers who served with the men killed in Niger. This is a total distraction, as literally no one in the media or among politicians (to my knowledge) has suggested blaming the other soldiers. In the case of the radio interviewer, he was even like, "We just want to make it clear that no one here or elsewhere has suggested the other soldiers are to blame," and got kind of angry about it. This seems to me to be an attempt to create a narrative on the right that the left isn't supporting the troops and wants to blame the average soldiers for what happened. I find it disturbing and intriguing, and wonder where the directive came from. I'm sure it will be used to malign any attempts to push for further investigation. I'll be interested to see what kind of legs this totally made-up story gets. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 20, 2017 23:35:44 GMT
This seems to me to be an attempt to create a narrative on the right that the left isn't supporting the troops and wants to blame the average soldiers for what happened. I find it disturbing and intriguing, and wonder where the directive came from. I'm sure it will be used to malign any attempts to push for further investigation. I'll be interested to see what kind of legs this totally made-up story gets. (sounds rather like the whole 'disrespecting our soldiers when you're taking a knee during the anthem' doesn't it?!?  Apparently they're good at the whole misdirection and shifting the narrative thing, aren't they?) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 1:09:24 GMT
As I've said many, many times over the last couple of years in response to that accusation, it has nothing to do with diversion. It's about consistency. The consistency with which some apply their standards, depending on who they're applying them to. The only diversion happening is in repeatedly denying THAT fact.Wrong. It certainly is a diversion of the subject being discussed up and until that point. 44 has nothing to do with my opinion of 45. They each have their faults. We were discussing the present POTUS and how he was handling a current situation. You brought up a POTUS "denigrating a previous POTUS". She was also talking about a POTUS denigrating a previous POTUS. I understand you only want it to apply to the hated POTUS, but if it's wrong for 45 it's wrong wrong for 44 and that's the entire point. Like it or not, that's not a diversion, it's discussion. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 21, 2017 1:42:21 GMT
I meant to type 3, which was also wrong, but as Comey was sitting on the stage it was certainly not 30(!) - apologies. I am not going to go looking for someone who agrees with Kelly as I don't think it matters. I think that the entire thing is a distraction. I'm starting to think Trump's tweets aren't nearly as much as lack of self control as a deliberate attempt to distract people from substance. Bingo. Classic PR tactic. Be first to reframe, redirect arguments away from what you don't want to say. Eh. I think you're giving them too much credit. It's just that Trump consistently Tweets bullshit, and there's also always something else going on. So it just seems like he's doing it deliberately. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 21, 2017 2:00:03 GMT
It defies logic that there is some beginning of the speech in which she takes credit for the funding. Are you suggesting that the Sun-Sentinel is falsifying this?
There's no doubt that she did take some credit for pushing the name through, but what else would you expect from a Congressperson? She also mentions that the naming bill passed with bipartisan support.
I'm suggesting the Sun-Sentinel doesn't have a complete video. Having heard way too many politicians, I don't think it defies logic at all that she would suggest she was responsible for the funding before introducing those who helped her pass the bill - or at least said something to give John Kelly that impression. I also still maintain that this entire discussion is ridiculous. I don't think Wilson should have discussed a phrase she had an issue from overhearing Trump with to the press, politicizing a condolence call. I don't think Kelly should have brought up some random speech from 30 years ago that Wilson gave that rubbed him the wrong way with the press. This entire thing is petty and people are way more interested in playing gotcha. Just wanted to point out that Sarah Huckabee Sanders did not claim that the video was incomplete. She said:
“She also had quite a few comments that day that weren’t part of that speech and weren’t part of that video that were also witnessed by many people that were there,” Sanders said, referring to “what Gen. Kelly referenced yesterday.” So it seems quite possible to me that Kelly is either lying about the whole thing, or misunderstood. He also said that Wilson had gotten $20 million from Obama, which is a crazy low amount to build a federal building. He's completely lost the thread.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 21, 2017 2:20:07 GMT
Wrong. It certainly is a diversion of the subject being discussed up and until that point. 44 has nothing to do with my opinion of 45. They each have their faults. We were discussing the present POTUS and how he was handling a current situation. You brought up a POTUS "denigrating a previous POTUS". She was also talking about a POTUS denigrating a previous POTUS.
I understand you only want it to apply to the hated POTUS, but if it's wrong for 45 it's wrong wrong for 44 and that's the entire point. Like it or not, that's not a diversion, it's discussion. without going back and rereading I may have brought it up in discussion of 45 and co. (thread topic) Just because "Well, So-in-so is doing/did it" never flies as an excuse or reason in life. It muddies the waters with too many subjects, which in this case was 45. If a past POTUS did it, give me an example, start a new thread or whatever. They can both be wrong. I have no problem admitting to disagreeing with any of them when and if I do and when it's the subject of the conversation that I care to participate in. You understand wrong (bolded) because it would apply to any, (wrong is wrong) but the subject here is 45 and other's past behavior have no bearing on the topic at hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 3:05:36 GMT
You brought up a POTUS "denigrating a previous POTUS". She was also talking about a POTUS denigrating a previous POTUS.
I understand you only want it to apply to the hated POTUS, but if it's wrong for 45 it's wrong wrong for 44 and that's the entire point. Like it or not, that's not a diversion, it's discussion. without going back and rereading I may have brought it up in discussion of 45 and co. (thread topic) Just because "Well, So-in-so is doing/did it" never flies as an excuse or reason in life. It muddies the waters with too many subjects, which in this case was 45. If a past POTUS did it, give me an example, start a new thread or whatever. They can both be wrong. I have no problem admitting to disagreeing with any of them when and if I do and when it's the subject of the conversation that I care to participate in. You understand wrong (bolded) because it would apply to any, (wrong is wrong) but the subject here is 45 and other's past behavior have no bearing on the topic at hand. That's just another bullshit excuse to shut down views you don't like. Experience shows that it doesn't matter if you start a new thread or continue the discussion of the same topic, typically those on the Right are considered wrong here. I can't speak for anyone else, but as I've been saying forever now, I'm never going to start a new thread on the same subject being discussed just because you made excuses when your guy/gal does it and condemn it when someone you DON'T like does it and you can't stand the scrutiny. Judging from all the times OTHER people point out the hypocrisy ON the thread it shows up on, I'm not alone in that thought. You refers to the general you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:32:13 GMT
Did you listen to Lawrence O'Donnell Last Word about Kelly calling the congresswoman an "empty barrel" and also how stunned he (Lawrence) was about things that Kelly said. It's interesting. He also disagreed about women ever being sacred. It's worth listening to. Lawrence O'Donnell- Last Word "Empty Barrel"Dear lord. This is what people listen to? Who is he that people should be so moved by that crap. Want to talk about racist, listen to him again. Fox News is a joke? Ha! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 21, 2017 15:50:19 GMT
Aides 'hustled' after Trump interview to secure list of fallen soldiers: reportBY JULIA MANCHESTER - 10/20/17 11:00 PM EDT White House aides were "hustling" to secure an up-to-date list of soldiers who died this year after President Trump claimed in an interview earlier this week that he had contacted the families of "virtually everybody" in the military who was killed since he took office, Roll Call reported Friday. An email exchange between the White House and Defense Secretary James Mattis's office reportedly shows the White House asking the department for information regarding the families of service members killed after the president's inauguration in January. The White House asked for the information on surviving family members so Trump could make sure to contact all of them, according to Roll Call.The report said that the email exchange came hours after the president said in a Fox News Radio interview Tuesday that he had called nearly all of the families of those killed since he took office. "I have called, I believe, everybody — but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody," he said. A White House spokesman responded to the report, telling The Hill, “The White House ensured that the President had contacted all families of soldiers killed in action that had been presented to him through existing protocols.” More at link thehill.com/homenews/administration/356504-white-house-scrambled-after-trump-interview-to-secure-list-of-fallenHAD he made ALL or most of the calls, why did the WH NOT have a list of the calls? One would think that there should have been a folders/file of calls made!
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 21, 2017 15:55:45 GMT
Aides 'hustled' after Trump interview to secure list of fallen soldiers: reportBY JULIA MANCHESTER - 10/20/17 11:00 PM EDT White House aides were "hustling" to secure an up-to-date list of soldiers who died this year after President Trump claimed in an interview earlier this week that he had contacted the families of "virtually everybody" in the military who was killed since he took office, Roll Call reported Friday. An email exchange between the White House and Defense Secretary James Mattis's office reportedly shows the White House asking the department for information regarding the families of service members killed after the president's inauguration in January. The White House asked for the information on surviving family members so Trump could make sure to contact all of them, according to Roll Call.The report said that the email exchange came hours after the president said in a Fox News Radio interview Tuesday that he had called nearly all of the families of those killed since he took office. "I have called, I believe, everybody — but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody," he said. A White House spokesman responded to the report, telling The Hill, “The White House ensured that the President had contacted all families of soldiers killed in action that had been presented to him through existing protocols.” More at link thehill.com/homenews/administration/356504-white-house-scrambled-after-trump-interview-to-secure-list-of-fallenHAD he made ALL or most of the calls, why did the WH NOT have a list of the calls? One would think that there should have been a folders/file of calls made! Kelly seems to be failing to get this White House in order. I wonder if anyone can. The problem seems to be at the top. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 21, 2017 16:32:19 GMT
Kelly seems to be failing to get this White House in order. I wonder if anyone can. The problem seems to be at the top. THAT is why I am upset about Kelly! He WAS an honorable man! Not the absolute best sources but it is being said.... Maxine Waters: Trump's White House 'transforms everyone into liars'BY BRANDON CARTER - 10/21/17 10:35 AM EDT Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) ripped President Trump and members of his administration on Saturday, saying “the filth wreaking from” Trump’s White House affects “even the most honorable people.”
“What is it about the Trump White House that transforms everyone into liars?” Waters wrote in a series of tweets. “Even the most honorable people are not immune to being overtaken by the filth wreaking from the Trump White House day after day.” Waters blasted Trump for calling Rep. Frederica Wilson “wacky” after Trump continued to attack the Florida Democrat on Saturday morning, saying she is “killing the Democratic Party.” “Trump has no business calling anyone ‘wacky’ when his own Sec. of State is ashamed of him and thinks he's a moron,” Waters fired back on Twitter. more at link...... thehill.com/homenews/senate/356525-maxine-waters-trumps-white-house-transforms-everyone-into-liarsMaher: Kelly now 'acts like Trump'BY JOSH DELK - 10/21/17 10:43 AM EDT HBO host Bill Maher said Friday that White House chief of staff Gen. John Kelly "was supposed to be the Trump-minder, but now he acts like [President] Trump."He made the comment following a Thursday press briefing where Kelly ripped Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) for reporting on a call Trump made to a military family, and for taking credit for funding an FBI building in 2015. "He smeared and lied. He smeared that congresslady and he lied about it. He was supposed to be the Trump-minder, but now he acts like Trump," Maher said on his show "Real Time." “You can be this guy that everybody says 'you are the man of unimpeachable integrity,' or you can take political hit shots and be the hatchet man. You can't do both," Maher said of Kelly.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 21, 2017 16:42:43 GMT
Aides 'hustled' after Trump interview to secure list of fallen soldiers: reportBY JULIA MANCHESTER - 10/20/17 11:00 PM EDT White House aides were "hustling" to secure an up-to-date list of soldiers who died this year after President Trump claimed in an interview earlier this week that he had contacted the families of "virtually everybody" in the military who was killed since he took office, Roll Call reported Friday. An email exchange between the White House and Defense Secretary James Mattis's office reportedly shows the White House asking the department for information regarding the families of service members killed after the president's inauguration in January. The White House asked for the information on surviving family members so Trump could make sure to contact all of them, according to Roll Call.The report said that the email exchange came hours after the president said in a Fox News Radio interview Tuesday that he had called nearly all of the families of those killed since he took office. "I have called, I believe, everybody — but certainly I’ll use the word virtually everybody," he said. A White House spokesman responded to the report, telling The Hill, “The White House ensured that the President had contacted all families of soldiers killed in action that had been presented to him through existing protocols.” More at link thehill.com/homenews/administration/356504-white-house-scrambled-after-trump-interview-to-secure-list-of-fallenHAD he made ALL or most of the calls, why did the WH NOT have a list of the calls? One would think that there should have been a folders/file of calls made! I think the above is an example of this administration's norm. 45 tweets or spouts off some nonsense claiming it as truth and his people in the background scramble to make it retroactively so. Truth doesn't work that way. Even if they 'succeed' it is still a falsehood at inception. |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 21, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
It has nothing to do with the needs of my country. I'm sure the rest of the world already knows that there is a segment of the US that are quite happy for him to lie, renege of agreements made, promises not kept and whatever else those Americans that elected him to do are happy with. I hope they're all proud of themselves because no one else, including many of your own citizens, holds any of them up to the most basic standard of morality. It must be pretty exhausting having to constantly defend the indefensible. Sadly, what many of these people don't understand is that when you have a president who is a liar, who backs out of agreements and can not be trusted to either tell the truth or keep his word, this leads to a loss of status and power and respect for that country. This makes us weaker on the international stage, not stronger. Countries who have been our allies for decades - if not centuries - are now questioning how solid that relationship really is. Sure, it says that NATO countries will back each other up - but when push comes to shove, would the US really do so? In the past, it was a given. Now, it's questionable. It would come down to what Trump feels like doing that day, or whether or not helping the ally would cost him personal profit, or force him to do something that Putin didn't like. It's not going to be based upon his understanding of the treaty, or alliances, or how this sort of thing works. Countries who have made trade agreements with us will see that when the going gets tough, Trump runs away. In his personal life, he declared bankruptcy multiple times and left others holding the bag. If he doesn't feel like abiding by a contract, he'll just ignore it, or run away. If I'm a country looking to make a trade deal and I could either work with the US or the EU, the EU seems like a better bet - they won't back out of agreements because they needed a cover or some other scandal, or just because the guy in charge didn't like the way someone shook his hand. As a superpower, our time is coming to an end. We may have the weapons and the military, but the person in charge doesn't have the honor or the discipline to use them appropriately. Other countries have noticed, and we're going to be like that annoying kid who gets put in the time out chair in the corner of the room. Everyone just ignores him and eventually when he's ready to behave again, he's allowed to join the rest of the class. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 21, 2017 17:12:26 GMT
A couple of random thoughts about the whole situation:
First, the appropriate words to console a parent and to console a wife of a fallen soldier are completely different. As a parent, you are completely tied/connected to your children, no matter what - there is no choice involved in your relationship with your child. Therefore, it is comforting to hear someone tell you that your child died doing what he loved best with the people he loved.
As a spouse, you have a relationship that depends on choice and commitment- very different in some crucial ways than a parent-child relationship. It is NOT comforting, AT ALL, to have someone tell you that your husband died doing what he loved with people he loved, because he is supposed to have loved you best and chosen you above everyone else. YOU as his spouse and YOUR & HIS CHILDREN should come first in his heart. Period. To have someone tell you what Kelly said was comforting to him as a parent is a slap in the face to a wife with kids.
I can’t believe that Kelly, as a man with intelligence, can’t discern the difference.
I also can’t believe that Kelly sold his soul enough to lie, repeatedly, from a podium about Congresswoman Wilson. Without a firm commitment to honor, honesty and integrity, a General is worthless. Actually, worse than worthless, he is a detriment to the mission. Wilson will look back on his behavior surrounding Wilson and feel ashamed - it is the antithesis of all that he supposedly stands/stood for.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 21, 2017 17:20:25 GMT
A couple of random thoughts about the whole situation:
First, the appropriate words to console a parent and to console a wife of a fallen soldier are completely different. As a parent, you are completely tied/connected to your children, no matter what - there is no choice involved in your relationship with your child. Therefore, it is comforting to hear someone tell you that your child died doing what he loved best with the people he loved. As a spouse, you have a relationship that depends on choice and commitment- very different in some crucial ways than a parent-child relationship. It is NOT comforting, AT ALL, to have someone tell you that your husband died doing what he loved with people he loved, because he is supposed to have loved you best and chosen you above everyone else. YOU as his spouse and YOUR & HIS CHILDREN should come first in his heart. Period. To have someone tell you what Kelly said was comforting to him as a parent is a slap in the face to a wife with kids. I can’t believe that Kelly, as a man with intelligence, can’t discern the difference. I also can’t believe that Kelly sold his soul enough to lie, repeatedly, from a podium about Congresswoman Wilson. Without a firm commitment to honor, honesty and integrity, a General is worthless. Actually, worse than worthless, he is a detriment to the mission. Wilson will look back on his behavior surrounding Wilson and feel ashamed - it is the antithesis of all that he supposedly stands/stood for. Thank you! You said it all so well in one post. Bold is mine: the other difference is that Kelly was told by who he said was his best friend. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:31:52 GMT
It has nothing to do with the needs of my country. I'm sure the rest of the world already knows that there is a segment of the US that are quite happy for him to lie, renege of agreements made, promises not kept and whatever else those Americans that elected him to do are happy with. I hope they're all proud of themselves because no one else, including many of your own citizens, holds any of them up to the most basic standard of morality. It must be pretty exhausting having to constantly defend the indefensible. Sadly, what many of these people don't understand is that when you have a president who is a liar, who backs out of agreements and can not be trusted to either tell the truth or keep his word, this leads to a loss of status and power and respect for that country. This makes us weaker on the international stage, not stronger. Countries who have been our allies for decades - if not centuries - are now questioning how solid that relationship really is. Sure, it says that NATO countries will back each other up - but when push comes to shove, would the US really do so? In the past, it was a given. Now, it's questionable. It would come down to what Trump feels like doing that day, or whether or not helping the ally would cost him personal profit, or force him to do something that Putin didn't like. It's not going to be based upon his understanding of the treaty, or alliances, or how this sort of thing works. Countries who have made trade agreements with us will see that when the going gets tough, Trump runs away. In his personal life, he declared bankruptcy multiple times and left others holding the bag. If he doesn't feel like abiding by a contract, he'll just ignore it, or run away. If I'm a country looking to make a trade deal and I could either work with the US or the EU, the EU seems like a better bet - they won't back out of agreements because they needed a cover or some other scandal, or just because the guy in charge didn't like the way someone shook his hand. As a superpower, our time is coming to an end. We may have the weapons and the military, but the person in charge doesn't have the honor or the discipline to use them appropriately. Other countries have noticed, and we're going to be like that annoying kid who gets put in the time out chair in the corner of the room. Everyone just ignores him and eventually when he's ready to behave again, he's allowed to join the rest of the class. Exactly! but all this doesn't seem to bother people like #notLauren though. Hence my " nothing to do with my country" to her in my reply I also wonder how they would feel ( lovetocolor and others that think the same), if and when, China for example, who holds much of your debt decided to call it in after Trump has isolated you all from the rest of the world and cast that doubt of trust in others. |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 21, 2017 17:45:40 GMT
I also wonder how they would feel ( lovetocolor and others that think the same), if and when, China for example, who holds much of your debt decided to call it in after Trump has isolated you all from the rest of the world and cast that doubt of trust in others. Ha ha, he sure showed them liberals!!!! And Hillary had emails! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 21, 2017 20:45:29 GMT
That's just another bullshit excuse to shut down views you don't like. Experience shows that it doesn't matter if you start a new thread or continue the discussion of the same topic, typically those on the Right are considered wrong here. I can't speak for anyone else, but as I've been saying forever now, I'm never going to start a new thread on the same subject being discussed just because you made excuses when your guy/gal does it and condemn it when someone you DON'T like does it and you can't stand the scrutiny. Judging from all the times OTHER people point out the hypocrisy ON the thread it shows up on, I'm not alone in that thought. You refers to the general you. I'll BS you right back then- again, that's whole 'nuther discussion or topic. With that, nothing more to say... because, point being, we have totally Changed Subjects. View AttachmentYou know that is her only MO--hijack another's thread to point out "Obama or HRC did it too" so that she can rant and whine about liberal hypocrisy, her being silenced and the other bullshit she repeats ad nauseam! |
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Apparently they're good at the whole misdirection and shifting the narrative thing, aren't they?)
