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Post by hutchfan on Jan 13, 2018 17:45:43 GMT
The Talk has been discussing this topic quite a bit. They have showed clips were Nancy was caught on tape not being a very nice person. I remember back watching Nancy and Tonya skating and Nancy was artistic and Tonya was the technical skater. And back then the commentators said Tonya did not get the credit she deserved as a skater. It has also been stated that Nancy and her family thought they were better than most of the other skater's and she was not a nice person to the other girls. I don't think she deserved being hurt and should be apologized too. But there are 2 sides to every story. It feels like victim blaming there aren't two sides... even if Nancy Kerrigan was a raving bitch.. rude and disrespectful to everyone. She was a victim and didn't deserve what happened to her. She may not be the perfect person that she was made out to be..who is.. but her side is she was the victim of a crime. I am not victim blaming at all. You need to read on and see what was said. There can be 2 sides to the story versing Tonya and those who committed the crime. I plainly stated I did not condone what was done to Nancy.
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Post by sues on Jan 13, 2018 17:56:00 GMT
I never though that nancy Kerrigan was as pure as she was portrayed to be. Probably not. But even if she wasn't - she didn't deserve what happened to her. I saw the interview unintentionally. I am mystified when she comes back into the spotlight and I wish it would stop. I don't believe for a second she was as clueless about the attack as she claims. I don't care what Nancy Kerrigan was like back then- it's irrelevant in terms of the crime. (Though I admit- super interesting as an aside.) Having the interview on in the background while I did other things- it did catch my attention a few times. Her mother seems like a total bitch. It was sad to see the things that happened to her to steer her the wrong way. What could have taken her in a completely different direction - a more positive direction was lost or ignored. Tonya herself seems a little inclined toward drama - the way she talks, her expressions. It didn't help her believability. The more interesting parts of the interview were anything with the sportscasters, coaches, etc from back in the day. Their insight was interesting to hear.
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Post by Drew on Jan 13, 2018 18:11:33 GMT
I never though that nancy Kerrigan was as pure as she was portrayed to be. Probably not. But even if she wasn't - she didn't deserve what happened to her. No one is arguing against that. I'm not sure why it keeps needing to be restated.
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Post by burningfeather on Jan 13, 2018 18:26:34 GMT
Probably not. But even if she wasn't - she didn't deserve what happened to her. No one is arguing against that. I'm not sure why it keeps needing to be restated. Probably for the same unexplainable reason that so many people are saying Nancy Kerrigan was a bitch diva. It's completely irrelevant, especially to this thread. As a side note, I happened to see I, Tonya yesterday and although I don't think it is award worth, it was a pretty good movie. The casting was great. It had an ironic edge to it and didn't take itself too seriously but it didn't make a mockery of Tonya either. It's fairly relevant right now since the winter olympics are coming up. I remember that era of figure skating, and particularly that Olympics competition, very well although I was a Katarina Witt fan at the time.
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Post by mom on Jan 13, 2018 18:57:00 GMT
yeah but part of it, anyway, is Tonya's fault. If she would quit talking about it, giving interviews, etc, it would die down. SaveSaveActually, Tonya herself has never really talked about it much, from what I've witnessed. At the moment, she's lost her long-time agent because of her demand that reporters NOT ask her about it. She wants them to sign an affidavit that they will not ask her anything about the past or be fined $25,000 if they do. I truly think she'd love nothing more than for that incident to be dead and buried, but of course it never will be.
Yeah, no. I am gonna disagree. Tonya is giving interviews and helping with the documentary/movie. Nancy has had nothing to do with it. If Tonya didn't want part of the spotlight she would not be giving interviews and discussing that at all.
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Post by Hayjaker on Jan 13, 2018 19:11:57 GMT
Sad but true. We've all forgotten about once famous names like Oksana Baiul and Kristi Yamaguchi. I wish someone would make a movie about Debi Thomas and get her some help. Yes! I am more interested in Debi Thomas.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 13, 2018 20:10:58 GMT
The I Toyna movie is getting rave reviews. Allison Janney won a Golden Globe last week for it.
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Post by gina on Jan 13, 2018 20:28:06 GMT
Oh the **spoilers** made me laugh... it happened over 20 years ago.. It is a documentary that aired a few nights ago. As my post stated in the title, I wanted to discuss this. Not the event in general. Better safe than sorry. SaveSave
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Post by monicad on Jan 13, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Dh and I saw I, Tonya last night. I am just a few years younger than Tonya and Nancy so this was a huge thing when I was a teenager. Like burningfeather said, they did a good job of keeping the film comedic (dark) without making a joke of those involved (Tonya and Jeff were both interviewed for the film). Allison Janney was fantastic as always; I wish she'd had a bigger role (there's a joke in the movie about that part).
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 13, 2018 22:20:40 GMT
Probably not. But even if she wasn't - she didn't deserve what happened to her. No one is arguing against that. I'm not sure why it keeps needing to be restated. Because people keep saying it. Over and over. Its irrelevant to the crime. Seems a little bit like saying a rape victim wasn't a very nice person when the crime is being discussed.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 13, 2018 22:22:39 GMT
Sad but true. We've all forgotten about once famous names like Oksana Baiul and Kristi Yamaguchi. I wish someone would make a movie about Debi Thomas and get her some help. Yes! I am more interested in Debi Thomas. I remember her. My aunt was a huge fan of Torvill and Dean, so I remember a lot of skaters from that era. I used to watch it with her, my parents would tape stuff for her and she'd watch on the VCR at our place on Saturdays when she came over. Scott Hamilton, Katarina Witt, Debi Thomas among many others.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 14, 2018 1:52:27 GMT
It feels like victim blaming there aren't two sides... even if Nancy Kerrigan was a raving bitch.. rude and disrespectful to everyone. She was a victim and didn't deserve what happened to her. She may not be the perfect person that she was made out to be..who is.. but her side is she was the victim of a crime. I am not victim blaming at all. You need to read on and see what was said. There can be 2 sides to the story versing Tonya and those who committed the crime. I plainly stated I did not condone what was done to Nancy. You talk about Nancy not being a nice person and they say there are two sides to the story. If you were talking about Tonya and those who committed the actual attack... why talk about Nancy being nice or not. It is irrelevant and it is victim bashing.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 14, 2018 2:13:12 GMT
I am not victim blaming at all. You need to read on and see what was said. There can be 2 sides to the story versing Tonya and those who committed the crime. I plainly stated I did not condone what was done to Nancy. You talk about Nancy not being a nice person and they say there are two sides to the story. If you were talking about Tonya and those who committed the actual attack... why talk about Nancy being nice or not. It is irrelevant and it is victim bashing. I was only stating what I had heard on Televisiopn. Once again I am in no way victim blaming so stop trying to say I did . Read the whole thread. I am as much a victim basher as you are a hand slapper! I don't know Tonya or Nancy I only stated what I had heard on Television again sorry you can't comprehend that.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jan 14, 2018 2:54:25 GMT
This thread is about more than the blow to Nancy’s knee. It’s about the movie, the documentary, and our memories of this era. There is no rule that posters may not comment on the individual personalities involved. As long as no one is suggesting that Nancy’s snobby attitude made her deserving of the attack,( and NO one is ), it’s all germane to the conversation. I don’t see the need for all the hand slapping. Personally, I’m happy to see this many peas remember and cared as much as I do.
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Post by MsChiff on Jan 14, 2018 7:30:53 GMT
Ugh. I’m sorry I missed the interview. I was a huge follower of ice skating back then, and Tonya is local, we were rooting for her. It was so shocking and senseless for the attack to happen. I’m willing to believe tonya was not in on the plotting. I’m sure her goal was to skate her best and win fairly. Not because I think she was an angel, but that’s what a gifted athlete would do. I think the husband hatched the idea because winning was the most important thing to him. Greedy creep is what he was. His actions showed he did not have enough faith in tonya. I also think her poor performance was due to all the negativity surrounding the attack. At this point, she had to know her husband was behind it, imagine all that in your head when you’re faced with such an important, stressful performance. With the whole world watching, most of them hating you , all of the skating community loathing you. Your own husband giving you the ultimate and nastiest vote of no confidence ever. I’m not really a fan of Tonya’s, and I know I come across as an apologist for her. But the truth is, I know the kind of people she came from, and married into. I can see how this all played out. Ironically, none of the participants in this play were my favorite skaters. I admired Tonya’s athleticism very much, and her performances were filled with a spark, and a joy, but lacked artistry. I found Nancy to be stolid, and joyless and dull, and lacked exciting jumps. It was like watching a statue skating. And she was a snobby, unpleasant person. It showed in many commments and facial expressions. Oksana was a darling little sprite and her jumps were quick and light. It was like watching a firefly skate. It was ok, but there was no substance to it. I'm not from your area, but in watching the interviews with Tonya, I tend to agree with you. I have a friend that grew up in a foster home with foster parents that didn't provide any emotional support or encouragement to either her or her sister; quite the contrary. She was also picked on a lot at school; one girl beat her up every day for a week or two until she (not my friend) punched a teacher in the nose and got expelled. As a result, she was rather harsh and scrappy growing up. Unfortunately, her adult life has also been difficult. Fortunately, there are a few very good things in her life now. She still has the hard edges but as I've gotten to know her better, I've learned she has a heart of gold. Tonya reminds me of my friend; hardened from her experiences yet seeking approvals she'll likely never get. I think Tonya really wanted to compete against Nancy and win to prove to all the naysayers that she was the better skater. I feel sorry for her that she was robbed of that chance because her husband didn't believe in her skills. I'm happy that she's now happily married with a son that she keeps away from that horrible, toxic mother of hers. I found Alison Janney's comments about playing the mother interesting. I forgot about Oksana and Kristi. Until I saw her last night, I also forgot Connie Chung! Finally, despite hearing more and more about how women should be supporting women, I find it interesting that so many here are so harsh in their judgments of both of these women, especially Tonya. One can almost feel the joy/smugness of some of those making the judgments. SaveSave
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Post by Really Red on Jan 14, 2018 12:16:52 GMT
Ugh. I’m sorry I missed the interview. I was a huge follower of ice skating back then, and Tonya is local, we were rooting for her. It was so shocking and senseless for the attack to happen. I’m willing to believe tonya was not in on the plotting. I’m sure her goal was to skate her best and win fairly. Not because I think she was an angel, but that’s what a gifted athlete would do. I think the husband hatched the idea because winning was the most important thing to him. Greedy creep is what he was. His actions showed he did not have enough faith in tonya. I also think her poor performance was due to all the negativity surrounding the attack. At this point, she had to know her husband was behind it, imagine all that in your head when you’re faced with such an important, stressful performance. With the whole world watching, most of them hating you , all of the skating community loathing you. Your own husband giving you the ultimate and nastiest vote of no confidence ever. I’m not really a fan of Tonya’s, and I know I come across as an apologist for her. But the truth is, I know the kind of people she came from, and married into. I can see how this all played out. Ironically, none of the participants in this play were my favorite skaters. I admired Tonya’s athleticism very much, and her performances were filled with a spark, and a joy, but lacked artistry. I found Nancy to be stolid, and joyless and dull, and lacked exciting jumps. It was like watching a statue skating. And she was a snobby, unpleasant person. It showed in many commments and facial expressions. Oksana was a darling little sprite and her jumps were quick and light. It was like watching a firefly skate. It was ok, but there was no substance to it. I'm not from your area, but in watching the interviews with Tonya, I tend to agree with you. I have a friend that grew up in a foster home with foster parents that didn't provide any emotional support or encouragement to either her or her sister; quite the contrary. She was also picked on a lot at school; one girl beat her up every day for a week or two until she (not my friend) punched a teacher in the nose and got expelled. As a result, she was rather harsh and scrappy growing up. Unfortunately, her adult life has also been difficult. Fortunately, there are a few very good things in her life now. She still has the hard edges but as I've gotten to know her better, I've learned she has a heart of gold. Tonya reminds me of my friend; hardened from her experiences yet seeking approvals she'll likely never get. I think Tonya really wanted to compete against Nancy and win to prove to all the naysayers that she was the better skater. I feel sorry for her that she was robbed of that chance because her husband didn't believe in her skills. I'm happy that she's now happily married with a son that she keeps away from that horrible, toxic mother of hers. I found Alison Janney's comments about playing the mother interesting. I forgot about Oksana and Kristi. Until I saw her last night, I also forgot Connie Chung! Finally, despite hearing more and more about how women should be supporting women, I find it interesting that so many here are so harsh in their judgments of both of these women, especially Tonya. One can almost feel the joy/smugness of some of those making the judgments. SaveSaveI agree. For example, I hate the word "skank." It is an enormous judgment we put on women and it's disgusting. The pressure on these young girls to train and succeed at an early age is insane. When I was a young girl I remember all the talking about how athletes trained behind the Iron Curtain. How young kids with promise were taken away from their parents to train. It's not much better here, is it? I think we all know of one kid or another who is so involved in his or her sport to the detriment of everything else. I remember the rumors about Nancy not being "nice" when I was young, prior to the incident. I don't know whether or not they're true, but I do know the pressure she was under was not healthy for a child of her age. As for her complaining about the scores? Well, I think we all know what happened in Salt Lake City, right? This is not swimming or skiing; these numbers are subjective and it's been proved over and over again that the judges are paid to promote certain athletes. The whole thing is very sad for everyone involved.
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Post by verdepea on Jan 14, 2018 13:27:38 GMT
I recall the IOC's corruption during the bidding process, but I was unaware of the judges being paid to promote certain athletes. It's very plausible because people are money hungry. I had a newborn during SLC and watched events everyday while breast feeding.
I remember the general event the assault because Tonya and Nancy are my age. But I was a college student without a TV at the time so my knowledge of the details is limited.I am glad Nancy was not as hurt as severely as she could have been.
On a side note, Having read the events on Wikipedia, my thoughts are how stupid this *plan* was. Shane attacked her just outside of the skating rink, in front of witnesses and with cameras everywhere. WTH.. How did they think they were going to get away with this. Was Tonyas husband, Jeff, on drugs or just bumd?
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Post by imsirius on Jan 14, 2018 14:09:25 GMT
I recall the IOC's corruption during the bidding process, but I was unaware of the judges being paid to promote certain athletes. It's very plausible because people are money hungry. I had a newborn during SLC and watched events everyday while breast feeding. I remember the general event the assault because Tonya and Nancy are my age. But I was a college student without a TV at the time so my knowledge of the details is limited.I am glad Nancy was not as hurt as severely as she could have been. On a side note, Having read the events on Wikipedia, my thoughts are how stupid this *plan* was. Shane attacked her just outside of the skating rink, in front of witnesses and with cameras everywhere. WTH.. How did they think they were going to get away with this. Was Tonyas husband, Jeff, on drugs or just bumd? Jeff Gilooley was only after money. He thought if Tonya won, she would have endorsements and tv appearances etc. I always thought he was a dumbass and could not understand what she ever saw in him.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 16, 2018 8:40:13 GMT
You talk about Nancy not being a nice person and they say there are two sides to the story. If you were talking about Tonya and those who committed the actual attack... why talk about Nancy being nice or not. It is irrelevant and it is victim bashing. I was only stating what I had heard on Televisiopn. Once again I am in no way victim blaming so stop trying to say I did . Read the whole thread. I am as much a victim basher as you are a hand slapper! I don't know Tonya or Nancy I only stated what I had heard on Television again sorry you can't comprehend that. I only commented on what you wrote. I asked why you mentioned Nancy at all? You did not respond. I am glad you agreed that you are a victim basher. Consider your hand slapped, maybe next time you will think about the victim of a heinous career changing attack before you post and not after.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jan 16, 2018 14:54:38 GMT
I was in high school when the incident happened and I followed ice skating closely then, so it is interesting to me to revisit these stories. I saw I, Tonya this weekend and thought it was really good. In the 90's I didn't know as much about Harding's background, so it was interesting to see that fleshed out. I thought the movie was a good portrayal of how women end up in abusive relationships and how difficult it can be to overcome a hard childhood. Obviously this doesn't excuse Harding in anyway for what happened, but I did find it interesting.
Also interesting about class and the world of ice skating and how they expect their skaters to appear and skate. Radiolab had a great podcast about Surya Bonaly - she faced some of the same issues as Harding (athleticism in skating). If you are an ice skating fan (or were back in the heyday of these women), I would recommend listening to it.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 16, 2018 14:59:20 GMT
I was only stating what I had heard on Televisiopn. Once again I am in no way victim blaming so stop trying to say I did . Read the whole thread. I am as much a victim basher as you are a hand slapper! I don't know Tonya or Nancy I only stated what I had heard on Television again sorry you can't comprehend that. I only commented on what you wrote. I asked why you mentioned Nancy at all? You did not respond. I am glad you agreed that you are a victim basher. Consider your hand slapped, maybe next time you will think about the victim of a heinous career changing attack before you post and not after. I have done nothing wrong so you following me and constantly putting me down shows what type of person you are, I will say a prayer for you. You definitely need it.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 16, 2018 15:04:30 GMT
I was only stating what I had heard on Televisiopn. Once again I am in no way victim blaming so stop trying to say I did . Read the whole thread. I am as much a victim basher as you are a hand slapper! I don't know Tonya or Nancy I only stated what I had heard on Television again sorry you can't comprehend that. I only commented on what you wrote. I asked why you mentioned Nancy at all? You did not respond. I am glad you agreed that you are a victim basher. Consider your hand slapped, maybe next time you will think about the victim of a heinous career changing attack before you post and not after. And maybe you will take the time to read the whole board. I again will state since you can't seem to comprehend English I am in no part blaming Nancy. I am allowed to post about things I have heard about. I don't know the whole story just like you don't. I dont see you trolling other people here over there comments. Move on.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 16, 2018 16:04:26 GMT
I only commented on what you wrote. I asked why you mentioned Nancy at all? You did not respond. I am glad you agreed that you are a victim basher. Consider your hand slapped, maybe next time you will think about the victim of a heinous career changing attack before you post and not after. And maybe you will take the time to read the whole board. I again will state since you can't seem to comprehend English I am in no part blaming Nancy. I am allowed to post about things I have heard about. I don't know the whole story just like you don't. I dont see you trolling other people here over there comments. Move on. You do realize you are carrying this on.. you can't read my comments and move you.. you are replying sometimes twice to my posts. Thanks for the prayers!
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 16, 2018 16:30:04 GMT
Surya Bonaly - she faced some of the same issues as Harding (athleticism in skating). If you are an ice skating fan (or were back in the heyday of these women), I would recommend listening to it. I haven't heard of her in years. I get flashbacks of her mom, her back flip, and refusing to take the podium. I miss that era of figure skating.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 16, 2018 16:31:13 GMT
And maybe you will take the time to read the whole board. I again will state since you can't seem to comprehend English I am in no part blaming Nancy. I am allowed to post about things I have heard about. I don't know the whole story just like you don't. I dont see you trolling other people here over there comments. Move on. You do realize you are carrying this on.. you can't read my comments and move you.. you are replying sometimes twice to my posts. Thanks for the prayers! You are welcome, you need them!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 16, 2018 16:59:58 GMT
Surya Bonaly - she faced some of the same issues as Harding (athleticism in skating). If you are an ice skating fan (or were back in the heyday of these women), I would recommend listening to it. I haven't heard of her in years. I get flashbacks of her mom, her back flip, and refusing to take the podium. I miss that era of figure skating. I was a huge Surya fan, but could never get behind her refusal to take the podium and taking off her silver medal. It's a subjective sport - which is often blatantly unfair - but you know that going in. I'm also glad my child chose a sport where the clock rules, not the whims of people.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 16, 2018 17:08:58 GMT
You do realize you are carrying this on.. you can't read my comments and move you.. you are replying sometimes twice to my posts. Thanks for the prayers! You are welcome, you need them! You just can't let it go can you? I think you need save the prayers for yourself. Maybe take a good long look in the mirror.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 16, 2018 17:25:54 GMT
You are welcome, you need them! You just can't let it go can you? I think you need save the prayers for yourself. Maybe take a good long look in the mirror. Right back at you.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 16, 2018 17:40:49 GMT
alright, ladies, geesh. <swatting away the flying fur> After the reviews on this thread I definitely curious to see the movie.
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Post by hutchfan on Jan 16, 2018 17:45:08 GMT
alright, ladies, geesh. <swatting away the flying fur> After the reviews on this thread I definitely curious to see the movie. I definitely want to see the movie too, I have always liked Margot Robbie since the television show Pan Am.
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