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Post by txdancermom on Jan 20, 2018 23:22:17 GMT
I would not make myself available after my last day. You have given them sufficient notice to find someone, and if they choose to find someone while you are still there that you can train, fine, if not, that is their problem.
If they do call, don't answer and don't call back.
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Post by cookiemum on Jan 21, 2018 1:06:22 GMT
I can empathise completely with your situation as I’m in a similar place right now. The only difference is that I’ve moved to another role within my organisation.
I understand wanting to give them plenty of notice to make sure your replacement is completely trained because you take pride in your work and have spent years formulating and organising everything. The company has taken advantage of you and will continue to do so as long as they can get away with it. Unfortunately things often need to go completely off the rails before they will actually take any action - this is the situation I’m finding myself in.
If you don’t need the $$ then I’d go in on Monday, and advise them that you’ve changed the 60 days to 14 days. I’d then spend the next 2 weeks organising “handover” notes for your future replacement and when your last day comes, walk out the door without any regret or looking back. I’d put everything else to the side aside from working on the handover notes and possibly assisting with the job description but wouldn’t be writing it. That’s HR`s and your Manager`s problem.
You’ve given them years, yes years, to remedy the situation. They chose not to act on it and now will find themselves in a world of hurt of their own making. When you email and advise that your end date is changing, I’d also attach any and all emails, documentation etc showing how you have been raising these various issues for quite some time and highlighting their response that they’d be “dealing with it”. And yes, I’m quite passive-aggressive in this type of situation and feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever.
You don’t owe them anything, aside from the handover, but you do owe it to yourself to be the healthiest and happiest person you can be.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jan 21, 2018 1:14:54 GMT
I would say "I am available for consulting", My fee is $150 an hour, three hour minimum, payable in advance.
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Post by kernriver on Jan 21, 2018 1:18:53 GMT
60 days notice is about 46 days too long. And NO to any contact after that unless they want to employ you as a consultant, in which case you dictate terms, i.e. pay, hours, egtc.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 21, 2018 1:22:50 GMT
No. No way. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. That’s it. You don’t work there anymore. You have been more than generous with your notice. But there’s absolutely no reason you should go back in to work more once that time is up.
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Post by melissa on Jan 21, 2018 1:36:18 GMT
I did not need the rest of the posts, but I can tell you what my dh did in a similar situation. He gave them his per diem fee which was, well, perhaps a tad bit higher than the normal upper end would be in his field. Maybe even a tad higher than that. He had issues like this when he left to go to other groups within the very large company he worked for and knew they would be contacting him. He sent one invoice. End of problem.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 21, 2018 2:52:54 GMT
I absolutely would create a contract with an hourly consultant fee. Screw them for even asking or insinuating that you SHOULD be able to do this FOR them.
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Post by mrssmith on Jan 21, 2018 4:50:32 GMT
Get out of there as fast as you can. I am glad you tendered your resignation but like many others, I think you are giving them way too long. You clearly care about the work to some extent if you feel driven to stay for two months. You need to care about yourself more. Their future success is not your responsibility.
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Post by Miss Ang on Jan 21, 2018 5:40:29 GMT
Of course they want you to be available! In their eyes, you've allowed them to take advantage of you for this amount of time so they are just seeing how far they push you and how much they can get away with.
No, I would not be available for their calls after my last day. I would work to the best of my ability up until the last moment I am on payroll and then wash my hands of the situation and sever the relationship.
ETA: I changed my mind. After reading Burning Feather's post, I would do that. That is great advice!
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Post by disneypal on Jan 21, 2018 12:45:06 GMT
When you leave the job, your obligation to the company ends-plan and simple.
If they mention to you that they need you afterwards, simple tell them right up front. I will not be available to work for you after my last day, which is why I gave you 2 months notice.
Then leave it at that and stick to it. If they call, either don’t answer the phone or tell them...I am sorry, but I am retired now and no longer can help you. They will get the message.
Whatever you do, don’t give in or work as a consultant - they had plenty of time and you are allowed to enjoy your retirement - you owe them nothing.
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Post by styxgirl on Jan 21, 2018 15:42:43 GMT
I would let them know that you would be available for phone calls and help on a contract basis. It would be at a rate you set with each phone call a minimum of one hour's pay, even if it is only a 5 minute call. You could do a two hour minimum for an office visit (depending on your commute time), even if you only stay a half hour!
For example, if you averaged $20 and hour at the job, your new contract rate with them could be $60-$80 per hour. Whatever your time is worth to you.
When they call, even for a quick question, the bill for them is a minimum of one hour's pay.
They need you. If you put a good cost to your time, you'll get rid of them sooner! LOL
Best wishes!
ETA: After reading the full thread, I say up the consultant fee!
AND a story ...
Last spring a job I LOVED for 10 years moved to another state. (We had a bout a year notice). My position could have easily been done from my home. They decided not to let me work remotely even though many in the new state do! They promised contract work to me multiple times after my position moved.
I had to train the new person how to do my job. They wanted me to fly to new state to train. I said "HELL NO. Bring that person with a shiny-new job to me or we'll do it over the phone and web conference". So, that's what they did.
In the end, there was no contract work as promised. I let them know my last day, was my last day. I was not available for anything after that unless they paid me.
I felt so bad because about a month later, my favorite co-worker texted me a question. I asked her if the boss wanted to hire me on contract. She said it wasn't for the boss, it was just to help her. It was such an easy answer for me ... but instead I said, "Sorry, unless they want to pay me, I can't help you".
I still feel sad about not being able to help my friend ... It hurt our friendship and it hasn't been the same since. However, I am proud I stuck to my principles and I would do the same thing again.
Best wishes to you!!!
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Post by peaname on Jan 21, 2018 16:09:34 GMT
Absolutely ridiculous. They'll take advantage of you as long as you let them. I wouldn't consult for them even at an exorbitant rate. You'll have to beg them to pay you. If I were you I'd submit a response to their request stating you will be unavailable after 60 days and I'd be very vague with anyone that works there about your future plans. If they think you aren't working they might try harder to get you to commit to additional hours after your deadline.
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Post by bunnyhug on Jan 21, 2018 17:29:06 GMT
You know, if you were abducted by aliens or hit by a train, the company would have to figure out how to function without you with absolutely no answering of questions or training of replacements ... time for them to pull up their big company panties and start taking care of their own business. You’ll feel so much happier if you change your notice to two weeks and change your phone number right after that! Time for you to start looking out for you—obviously no one else is doing it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 18:30:20 GMT
I would not take the calls. 60 days is very generous. It is similar to the situation I would be in. The lady I replaced retired after 30+ years. She gave 90 day notice and they wanted her to be available for calls, etc.(accounting/payroll and on and on). They would expect the same from me. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be finding a new job. I would not be able to accept calls at a new job. Earlier this year, a lady gave her 30 day notice (marketing area). They wanted her to be available on an as needed basis for special projects. She offered to do that as a consultant at $50.00 (which was a little less that 4x her salary.). They laughed! We never heard from her again. OMG. If she said $200 she would be there everyday. Don't be shy about consulting fees. If you make $25 an hour, the company is paying $50 to $150 an hour for you to work. All those pesky taxes. Now if you decide to consult, you are paying all the pesky taxes yourself. That is why you need to charge at least 10xs what you want to make an hour.
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Post by mrst on Jan 21, 2018 19:21:30 GMT
The cemeteries are full of indispensable people!
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Post by mallie on Jan 21, 2018 22:33:20 GMT
I would not take the calls. 60 days is very generous. It is similar to the situation I would be in. The lady I replaced retired after 30+ years. She gave 90 day notice and they wanted her to be available for calls, etc.(accounting/payroll and on and on). They would expect the same from me. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be finding a new job. I would not be able to accept calls at a new job. I was once laid off from a job with no notice. Two days before Christmas. By a faith-based organization. No severance. And since it was religious organization, they were exempt from paying unemployment, so I wouldn't be getting any. THen they refused to give me my last paycheck unless I signed a contract agreeing to answer questions by phone for a month. I told them I would be calling the state office of labor when I got home. I got my check. I refused to answer the phone and blocked them by email. They called and emailed me numerous times. They then found out where my new job was and called my new job demanding I answer questions because "you left so fast we didn't get all the info we needed! We NEEEEEEEED that info." Boo fucking hoo. Yeah, I left so fast because you told me to pack up my office and leave within 10 minutes and then escorted me off premises. And NOW you want info? My new boss intercepted the 5th phone call and told them where to stick it. She said, "You're not paying her any more, so she owes you nothing. Go away." Which is my way of saying, you owe them nothing once they stop paying you. Period.
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