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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 20, 2018 2:59:25 GMT
I would rescind my 60 day notice, issue a 14 day notice and tell them you will work as a consultant after that time for some outrageous hourly rate that makes it worth it for you. Bet they won't waste time on bullshit phone calls then. ^^^ THAT!! there is NO WAY you need to be responsible for them after you leave, or write your replacement's job posting, or ANYthing like that. If they can't get their head out of their A$s, that's on them. I wouldn't even mess around with giving them a consulting fee- because they might take you up on it, and you'll get sucked right back in. If you want out, then GET OUT. In two weeks. You need to take care of YOU. Lack of planning on their part does NOT necessitate an emergency on YOUR part. ETA: my boyfriend leaving his company was like this... he felt responsble for things, since his boss was a total mushhead of a man who should have retired years ago. He stayed at that job for at least a year or more past when he should have left. He gave them one date, then moved it out, becuase there was something that just 'had to' be finished. The second time it happened, I finally convinced him that they would NEVER willingly 'let' him leave, and his sense of responsiblity was only hurting himself-- his physical and mental health, with all the stress-- in the long run. They never cared to figure out what he did, or how he did things before he left, so they had to figure it out afterwards. He quit, turned in his phone, and walked out. He felt SO MUCH BETTER once he was finally OUT! Sure, his coworkers were still there, and he felt bad about THEM, but they could find different jobs and leave, too, if they wanted to. Block their number, and do NOT answer any calls from them. If they don't value your experience while you're working there to compensate you properly, then YOU DON'T OWE THEM ANYTHING after you leave.
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Post by mom on Jan 20, 2018 3:03:21 GMT
You don't work for free. Did my post right above this show my quote from mom is blocked? Weird...It does on my screen. I don't have her blocked! LOL I can see it! SaveSave
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Post by GiantsFan on Jan 20, 2018 3:10:52 GMT
Oh, and I am leaving because they sucked the life out of my soul. I am taking at least 8 months to a year off just to rediscover myself and learn how to live without stress and the constant presence of the job every minute of my life. So, the concept of even taking a call and certainly going in for a few hours is completely contrary to my objectives of quitting. I HAVE to leave it behind. From what you've posted now (and previously) I agree it would be best to not go back to help out. You'll probably get sucked back into working part-time, then full-time and you'll be back to where you are now. If you can leave and make a clean break then I admire you. I retired from my job of 9 years in September. I still answer the occasional text and I've helped out with a state report that you can't really show someone how to do unless you're doing it. Hence my post earlier. But I my situation wasn't as life-sucking as yours. And I still hang out with a few of the people I worked with. And I can say that after my 4 1/2 months of not working, I can't believe how care-free my life is now.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 20, 2018 3:13:40 GMT
If you are willing to work for them on a consulting basis, put it it writing. Something along the lines of "Dear John, You indicated interest in having me available to consult after I leave XYC on Feb 28/18. I agree to be available for an hourly rate of $250 with a minimum of 4 hours for an office visit and 1 hour billing time for a phone consultation." Include something about minimum notice as well even for phone consultations.
With my last job, I was trained by the previous f/t employee in the position who did come in for a couple of full days and several half days over my first month and was paid as a consultant.
If you have no interest in consulting/training I'd also put that in writing. Dear John, After talking yesterday I was left with the impression that you thought I would be on call to consult/train the new accountant. I will not be available to provide any accounting/training services to XYC after Feb 28/18.
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask you to help with a job description, screening candidates or even interviewing as long as it is doable within your current work hours, meaning a project may be left undone. You might want to mention to them you will be honest with any candidate that asks why you are leaving.
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Post by AmandaA on Jan 20, 2018 3:15:55 GMT
Oh, and I am leaving because they sucked the life out of my soul. I am taking at least 8 months to a year off just to rediscover myself and learn how to live without stress and the constant presence of the job every minute of my life. So, the concept of even taking a call and certainly going in for a few hours is completely contrary to my objectives of quitting. I HAVE to leave it behind. That is awesome. Good for you! I hope you enjoy your you time. Sounds like you have earned every moment of it!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 20, 2018 3:20:34 GMT
after reading your post about how they've 'sucked the life out of you' I'm even MORE in favor of changing your resignation letter to be 2 weeks, and think you should get the hell out of Dodge as soon as possible.
Block their number, and do NOT answer any calls from them. If they don't value your experience while you're working there enough to compensate you properly, then YOU DON'T OWE THEM ANYTHING after you leave.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 20, 2018 3:35:23 GMT
I'm trying to understand why they have your number? But other than that- everyone else has said what I would say
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 20, 2018 3:37:55 GMT
^^^ a lot of the production supervisors where I work use their personal cell phones for work things sometimes, if they're away from their desk. It's not that unheard of.
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Post by burningfeather on Jan 20, 2018 3:39:57 GMT
Given the additional information, you HAVE to put something in place that saves your sanity and makes it worth your time (if there is such a price). Because if they know that you aren't leaving there and going to something, they will continue to suck the life out of you.
I also suggest that if you do - in any way - take calls or emails from them that you institute at least a 24 hour waiting period before you respond. Once they see you aren't at their beck and call, they will relent and figure it out on their own.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jan 20, 2018 3:59:31 GMT
OP, don’t hesitate to change your resignation to the standard 2 weeks. Your loyalty should be to yourself. The company set themselves up for this mess when they piled on the work but didnt show you any appreciation or loyalty by hiring the help you requested. They didn’t care about what was best for a vital employee. Why do you care so much to try to ease this transition for them? Leaving them high and dry would be to give zero notice. It’s not your responsibility to clean up the mess your employer has made. Stop letting them suck the life out of you two weeks from now instead of two months from now. You’re a class act, but far too generous. When you leave, just make it clear that you are not willing to be contacted. Walk out and never look back.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jan 20, 2018 4:05:09 GMT
I'm trying to understand why they have your number? But other than that- everyone else has said what I would say Don't all employers have their employees phone numbers somewhere, even if it's just in a manila folder in the HR drawer? (That is not the same thing as whether everyone should have access to the phone number, but I don't think I've ever NOT given a phone number to an employer.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 4:07:07 GMT
Oh, and I am leaving because they sucked the life out of my soul. I am taking at least 8 months to a year off just to rediscover myself and learn how to live without stress and the constant presence of the job every minute of my life. So, the concept of even taking a call and certainly going in for a few hours is completely contrary to my objectives of quitting. I HAVE to leave it behind. I'd also change my resignation time to 2 weeks, and then walk out the door. Free and clear. ((HUGS)) to you!! I pray you go on an extended long-overdue vacation--without your phone (or at least your current one!) Happy freedom!
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 20, 2018 4:29:59 GMT
Sure I'd be available. I'd tell them my going rate is $500/hour, thank you very much. Well, only if I really didn't want to help.
If I wanted to help, I'd tell them at least triple my hourly salary rate.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 20, 2018 5:15:01 GMT
Absolutely not!
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Post by cycworker on Jan 20, 2018 5:39:45 GMT
Well, I'm so glad that my thoughts aren't crazy. I invented the personnel-accounting-grant reporting and everything else systems as the company grew (there are actually 4 different companies and they all have a separate set of books, audits, some have their own employees and they are different types of businesses somewhat). Some of the things I do are basic enough to learn in a week or so of training but at least half of what I do would required a very thorough explanation and "doing it together the first time" type stuff.
I would need at least 4 to 8 hours each to explain some of these projects/tasks I do. I don't know if I have the energy for that.
Just writing checks is complicated because we essentially have job costing and there are so many projects and some of the projects have multiple grant funds so you have to track those separate as well and need to know where to charge each check and credit card purchase.
It sounds like they want me to either write or give them a list of tasks to write a job posting on this Tuesday. At that point, they have already wasted one of the eight weeks of notice I gave. I know from past experience that they will not get their shit together as soon as they should. I want to keep things cordial but I feel I'm going to be saying "sorry, I can't do that" a lot over the next 56 days. I agree with everyone else re: the consulting fees once your 60 days are up. I will gently say that where I've worked in the past, it hasn't been unusual to have the person who's leaving write or give them a list of tasks, participate in creating/updating the job description, assisting with the posting and even being part of the interviews. And creating a document that goes over key things is a must (or it has been where I've worked). The rest of it, though, is over the top.
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Post by smokeynspike on Jan 20, 2018 7:18:01 GMT
I would NEVER have given them 60 days notice given their penchant for taking advantage of you. If it was my job, I would give the standard 2 week notice and spend that time writing a detailed list/job description of daily, weekly, monthly, annual tasks. It isn't your company and you don't owe them 2 months of time training someone new to replace you. You have given them years and input to get you additional help and they are driving you away with their crazy expectations. And then don't answer their calls once you leave or why even bother quitting in the first place!
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Post by zella on Jan 20, 2018 7:40:41 GMT
Your offer seems excessive to me, and this coupled with how long you've put up with this BS tells me that your employer probably sees you as a doormat. You've been treated poorly for 18 months and you've put up with it. Even now you're bending over backwards to be nice. Please don't think I'm trying to be unkind, or nasty, because I'm not at all. I'm just trying to say that this is an example of "you teach others how to treat you." Of course you shouldn't be available after you quit! Actually I think your response to that nonsense should have been, "Oh, I changed my mind; I'm giving two weeks notice." Or, "I'll certainly be available as a consultant. My fee is $250 an hour."
Put your foot down. Now. Please.
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Post by zella on Jan 20, 2018 7:42:12 GMT
LOL, I didn't read any of the replies before I typed my response, and I see that I said the same as Burning Feather. I'm glad to see others agree that there's no way you should give 60 days notice.
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Post by julieinsweden on Jan 20, 2018 9:10:06 GMT
Tell them that you'll be available to consult and that your rate will be 5X what you currently get paid. That!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 20, 2018 11:35:56 GMT
I think I might be considering taking back my resignation, apologizing for giving them so much time to work with, and resubmitting a resignation with a standard 2week notice. I would flat out say no to coming in extra, or being available by phone. It looks to me like they are devising ways to continue to take advantage of you. ITA!! They will use you as long as you let them.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jan 20, 2018 11:56:38 GMT
The kicker is, they expect me to be available for phone calls after I leave and even coming in for a few hours here and there if needed. What the hell? I've given them 1 1/2 years to remedy this situation and they expect me to be flexible and available after I leave. I am not even sure how they would "enforce" this even if you both agreed to it. Like how does a former employer make you adhere to something that isn't contractual, which ultimately would be employment. They are crazy.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 20, 2018 12:02:54 GMT
I'm trying to understand why they have your number? But other than that- everyone else has said what I would say Don't all employers have their employees phone numbers somewhere, even if it's just in a manila folder in the HR drawer? (That is not the same thing as whether everyone should have access to the phone number, but I don't think I've ever NOT given a phone number to an employer.) crimsoncat05 and Eddie I understand that HR would have a number on an application but I never give my boss my personal number. You want me for work business outside of work hours? Then pay for a cell phone. My new job doesn't provide one so I added a line and that number sits there if needed. If my phone rings at 1 am it better be that there is an emergency not that someone in China can't find the updated schedule. After being harassed by a previous customer I'm very glad they don't have my personal phone number.
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Post by Suziee2 on Jan 20, 2018 12:37:47 GMT
I would not take the calls. 60 days is very generous.
It is similar to the situation I would be in. The lady I replaced retired after 30+ years. She gave 90 day notice and they wanted her to be available for calls, etc.(accounting/payroll and on and on). They would expect the same from me. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be finding a new job. I would not be able to accept calls at a new job.
Earlier this year, a lady gave her 30 day notice (marketing area). They wanted her to be available on an as needed basis for special projects. She offered to do that as a consultant at $50.00 (which was a little less that 4x her salary.). They laughed! We never heard from her again.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jan 20, 2018 17:50:20 GMT
Because some work places realize how shitty they treated you and how it would be hard to replace you. My husband was let go and it's gone to hell at his work.
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Post by Julie W on Jan 20, 2018 19:19:38 GMT
Oh, and I am leaving because they sucked the life out of my soul. I am taking at least 8 months to a year off just to rediscover myself and learn how to live without stress and the constant presence of the job every minute of my life. So, the concept of even taking a call and certainly going in for a few hours is completely contrary to my objectives of quitting. I HAVE to leave it behind. Good for you! Wish you a speedy end to that part of your life and a quick transition to the peace you desire and deserve! Save
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 20, 2018 19:45:02 GMT
Tell them that you'll be available to consult and that your rate will be 5X what you currently get paid. This is what I would do.
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Post by lesley on Jan 20, 2018 19:49:33 GMT
I think once you make up your mind to leave a job, you just want to go. The stress that you might have been dealing with for months can just become too much, and you can no longer be bothered with it all. 60 days’ notice is very generous, and in light of how they expect you to still be available at the end of it, I would definitely rethink my offer. I would go in on Monday and say that I can no longer give 60 days, but I can offer 30. I would probably make up some story that I’d been given the opportunity to travel, or visit distant friends, or something like that, because I’m not very good at just saying no with no explanation. Tell them you’re coming to visit me in Scotland!
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 20, 2018 20:21:04 GMT
I would tell them that if they call you after your last day you will be billing them for your time. If they don't agree to that then simply don't take their calls. There is no reason you should feel obligated to work, for free, for a job you have chosen to leave.
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Post by freebird on Jan 20, 2018 20:50:32 GMT
"Sure, I can do that, but I will be charging consultation fees for my time."
Then after you quit, tell them it's $100 per hour, the first 3 hours must be paid in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:09:33 GMT
I feel bad for you. My DH is also an accountant and works about 80 hours a week. He is working today as I type this. So much for a 40 hour Monday through Friday gig. He got home at nearly midnight last night. Year end deadlines are killing him. I hope you have the sense to run and never look back. Laugh when they call you then hang up.
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