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Post by SweetieBugs on Jan 20, 2018 0:51:29 GMT
I've been at my employer for 11 years now and my workload has increased four fold starting 3 years ago. While I have received some compensation for this increased activity, it is the time commitment element that I have been working with them on reducing now for the last 1 1/2 years.
I was hired originally to work part time at around 20 hours a week and obviously I've had to extend that to 40+ hours a week. While my bosses seemed to understand to some degree it was a lot of work, they would not commit to hiring another accountant and after many conversations about this over the last 14 months, I finally gave my notice last week. I gave them 60 days so that I could finish year-end reporting and give them time to post, hire and me train my replacement.
The kicker is, they expect me to be available for phone calls after I leave and even coming in for a few hours here and there if needed. What the hell? I've given them 1 1/2 years to remedy this situation and they expect me to be flexible and available after I leave.
Doesn't that seem crazy?? I feel I'm being gracious giving such long notice and being committed to finish as many open projects as possible which requires me to work very hard for the next 8 weeks. Training someone is going to be a ridiculous amount of time and effort on my part as well. I even thing they are expecting me to write the job posting, help identify candidates and interview!! Like I said, it's going to be a long 60 days.
Would you change your phone number or what???
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 20, 2018 0:54:07 GMT
I would not take their calls.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 0:54:55 GMT
I've been at my employer for 11 years now and my workload has increased four fold starting 3 years ago. While I have received some compensation for this increased activity, it is the time commitment element that I have been working with them on reducing now for the last 1 1/2 years.
I was hired originally to work part time at around 20 hours a week and obviously I've had to extend that to 40+ hours a week. While my bosses seemed to understand to some degree it was a lot of work, they would not commit to hiring another accountant and after many conversations about this over the last 14 months, I finally gave my notice last week. I gave them 60 days so that I could finish year-end reporting and give them time to post, hire and me train my replacement.
The kicker is, they expect me to be available for phone calls after I leave and even coming in for a few hours here and there if needed. What the hell? I've given them 1 1/2 years to remedy this situation and they expect me to be flexible and available after I leave.
Doesn't that seem crazy?? I feel I'm being gracious giving such long notice and being committed to finish as many open projects as possible which requires me to work very hard for the next 8 weeks. Training someone is going to be a ridiculous amount of time and effort on my part as well. I even thing they are expecting me to write the job posting, help identify candidates and interview!! Like I said, it's going to be a long 60 days.
Would you change your phone number or what??? I wouldn't change my number but I would block their number (assuming you are using a cell) and just not answer calls from them. No, I would not make myself available to help out after I left. |
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Post by malibou on Jan 20, 2018 0:57:15 GMT
I think I might be considering taking back my resignation, apologizing for giving them so much time to work with, and resubmitting a resignation with a standard 2week notice. I would flat out say no to coming in extra, or being available by phone. It looks to me like they are devising ways to continue to take advantage of you.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 20, 2018 0:57:18 GMT
"No" is a complete sentence. They are trying to take advantage of you. 60 days is very, very generous. To protect yourself I would also put it in writing that you won't be available after your last day and keep your own copy.
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Post by buddysmom on Jan 20, 2018 0:58:07 GMT
Nothing wrong etiquette-wise in just giving two weeks and letting them figure things out.
Of course, you may be wanting to use that time to find another job, etc.
But if you aren't looking for a job I would just "edit" my resignation letter and de-stress.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 0:58:24 GMT
Tell them that you'll be available to consult and that your rate will be 5X what you currently get paid.
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Post by buddysmom on Jan 20, 2018 0:59:13 GMT
I think I might be considering taking back my resignation, apologizing for giving them so much time to work with, and resubmitting a resignation with a standard 2week notice. I would flat out say no to coming in extra, or being available by phone. It looks to me like they are devising ways to continue to take advantage of you. Ha! We were thinking the same thing at the same time! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 20, 2018 1:02:40 GMT
There is no way on God’s green earth that I would put up with nonsense like that. You are being VERY generous by giving them 60 days and offering to finish up what you can in that time, and I wouldn’t hesitate to remind them of that. But if I’m being honest, if I didn’t need the money or could transition to my new job sooner, I probably would walk. Sounds like they need you more than you need them.
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Post by mom on Jan 20, 2018 1:04:38 GMT
Nope. If they want to hire you as a consultant, then ok. Tell them your rate. But otherwise? Nope.
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Post by bigbundt on Jan 20, 2018 1:05:05 GMT
Tell them that you'll be available to consult and that your rate will be 5X what you currently get paid. This. One job kept calling me and asking for things and once I told them my consult rate, the calls stopped and they figured things out. Funny how that happened. How much are they planning on calling you when you leave? 60 days is VERY generous, your replacement should be so well trained that they will not need to call you. I would understand a call or two after you leave but no way would I agree to be on call for free for them. |
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Post by GiantsFan on Jan 20, 2018 1:05:07 GMT
No, you don't have to make yourself available.
I would probably answer questions if it was something I didn't have to spend time on. Like where did you keep the Liability Insurance Year over Year file or does Xxx Xxx get a 1099.
You could tell them that your per hour rate is $50.00 (or whatever) with a one hour minimum. Any time they call or text it will be minimum $50.00.
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Post by laureljean on Jan 20, 2018 1:08:39 GMT
Tell them your consulting rate is $250 per hour or any part thereof (including phone calls). And they can pay you a $1500 retainer fee up front. Oh, and if they want you to come in, there will be a $10 per mile (both to and from) travel fee. That should discourage them.
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Post by anniefb on Jan 20, 2018 1:10:41 GMT
Nope. If they want to hire you as a consultant, then ok. Tell them your rate. But otherwise? Nope.  |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2018 1:10:44 GMT
"I'm happy to provide consulting services, my hourly rate is $100 with a minimum of 30 minutes for each call and one hour for each visit." or whatever price makes you answer the phone - or say no I don't provide consulting services. They've shown they have no issue taking advantage of you, and you've shown you have no problem being taking advantage of - why would you think they'd act differently after you gave your resignation - particularly as you chose to not offer standard notice - that's just encouraging them to continue to take advantage of you.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 20, 2018 1:17:32 GMT
I think I might be considering taking back my resignation, apologizing for giving them so much time to work with, and resubmitting a resignation with a standard 2week notice. I would flat out say no to coming in extra, or being available by phone. It looks to me like they are devising ways to continue to take advantage of you. I'd be considering this! I can't even begin to imagine the gall of your employer thinking that after 60 days you'll still be available to them. I'd let them know this will not be the case. I wouldn't change my number, but I would block them if they called. |
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 20, 2018 1:21:14 GMT
No way. You're giving them 60 days to get things figured out - if they can't get the ball rolling by then it's their problem, not yours.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jan 20, 2018 1:21:28 GMT
No. Just no. If they want your time (phone calls/in person), they should be paying you a consulting fee. And I love the idea of a retainer up front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 1:22:09 GMT
Tell them that you'll be available to consult and that your rate will be 5X what you currently get paid. More like 10x an hour. Because of taxes and deductions. |
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Post by burningfeather on Jan 20, 2018 1:23:03 GMT
I would rescind my 60 day notice, issue a 14 day notice and tell them you will work as a consultant after that time for some outrageous hourly rate that makes it worth it for you. Bet they won't waste time on bullshit phone calls then.
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Post by stampinbetsy on Jan 20, 2018 1:25:53 GMT
When I left my last employer, I did make a "brain dump" document with everything I thought they needed to know. I got one day to train my replacement (sort-of - she was really supposed to be there to observe), and I did offer to let her text me if she needed to know something. She was very respectful of that, and I only heard from her 2-3 times, and it was for super simple things.
But this situation? No way. You're giving them plenty of time to find someone and get them trained.
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Post by jayfab on Jan 20, 2018 1:27:11 GMT
Oh heck no. You've been more than generous with 60 day notice. They are insane.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 20, 2018 1:28:57 GMT
Tell them your consulting rate is $250 per hour or any part thereof (including phone calls). And they can pay you a $1500 retainer fee up front. Oh, and if they want you to come in, there will be a $10 per mile (both to and from) travel fee. That should discourage them. This. In the meantime, reduce your hours to exactly 40 (or fewer if you're being paid for fewer). Do not answer the phone and do not look at your emails. This is very hard to do, I know, but once you do it, you will feel free. The minute - the SECOND - you are berated for not picking up the phone, look your manager in the eye and say, "Clearly the extra time I gave you isn't working out. I'll clear out my things today. Thank you." And then leave. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 1:38:11 GMT
No. My mil recently retired and they tried to pull this same stuff with her and was having none of it. They replaced her 4 times now--in less than 6 months. She did the job for 20 years. They knew she was going impossible to replace because like you, they kept adding to her workload without the pay compensation and boy they realized how valuable she really was! I'd stand very firm on your notice and then move on. They'll figure it out one way or the other. They're in panic mode now.
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Post by peasquared on Jan 20, 2018 1:45:59 GMT
I like the above mentioned hourly fee. Seriously, I'd walk out and never look back. (or call back  ) |
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 20, 2018 2:10:36 GMT
Nope. If they want to hire you as a consultant, then ok. Tell them your rate. But otherwise? Nope. Me too. They have been given ample time to work this out. Their problem is not your problem. I would definitely help out for 3 times what they pay me now. |
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jan 20, 2018 2:49:05 GMT
Well, I'm so glad that my thoughts aren't crazy. I invented the personnel-accounting-grant reporting and everything else systems as the company grew (there are actually 4 different companies and they all have a separate set of books, audits, some have their own employees and they are different types of businesses somewhat). Some of the things I do are basic enough to learn in a week or so of training but at least half of what I do would required a very thorough explanation and "doing it together the first time" type stuff.
I would need at least 4 to 8 hours each to explain some of these projects/tasks I do. I don't know if I have the energy for that.
Just writing checks is complicated because we essentially have job costing and there are so many projects and some of the projects have multiple grant funds so you have to track those separate as well and need to know where to charge each check and credit card purchase.
It sounds like they want me to either write or give them a list of tasks to write a job posting on this Tuesday. At that point, they have already wasted one of the eight weeks of notice I gave. I know from past experience that they will not get their shit together as soon as they should. I want to keep things cordial but I feel I'm going to be saying "sorry, I can't do that" a lot over the next 56 days.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jan 20, 2018 2:51:36 GMT
Oh, and I am leaving because they sucked the life out of my soul. I am taking at least 8 months to a year off just to rediscover myself and learn how to live without stress and the constant presence of the job every minute of my life. So, the concept of even taking a call and certainly going in for a few hours is completely contrary to my objectives of quitting. I HAVE to leave it behind.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 20, 2018 2:53:09 GMT
Nope. If they want to hire you as a consultant, then ok. Tell them your rate. But otherwise? Nope. You don't work for free. |
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 20, 2018 2:57:52 GMT
Nope. If they want to hire you as a consultant, then ok. Tell them your rate. But otherwise? Nope. You don't work for free. Did my post right above this show my quote from mom is blocked? Weird...It does on my screen. I don't have her blocked! |
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