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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 11, 2018 0:58:36 GMT
My @#%}}$@& son told me while I was making dinner that Trump just fired Mueller. Holy hell, you could hear me screaming on the other side of town and predicting imminent civil war. He was laughing his ass off by the time I simmered down. Needless to say, it's not true. Yet.  You just scared the shit out of me! Me too, lol!!! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 11, 2018 1:04:29 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2018 1:30:49 GMT
You just scared the shit out of me! Me too, lol!!! Sorry, you guys. I tried to make it short and sweet, so it wouldn't scare anyone. (my heart is still kinda pounding, though)  |
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Post by dewryce on Apr 11, 2018 1:33:30 GMT
Sorry, you guys. I tried to make it short and sweet, so it wouldn't scare anyone. (my heart is still kinda pounding, though) It took mine 5 minutes to calm down just from reading your post. My poor husband hearing me scream LOL came running into the room! |
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Post by PLurker on Apr 11, 2018 1:39:13 GMT
My @#%}}$@& son told me while I was making dinner that Trump just fired Mueller. Holy hell, you could hear me screaming on the other side of town and predicting imminent civil war. He was laughing his ass off by the time I simmered down. Needless to say, it's not true. Yet.  You should at least disown him for the amount of time it took to get your heart back to normal rhythm. (ours, too) |
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Post by Just T on Apr 11, 2018 1:41:13 GMT
I just truly do NOT understand how Trump firing Mueller or Rosenstein in order to shut down the investigation can be seen as okay by anyone of any party. It's clear the investigation is not a "witch hunt" since so many have been indicted and/or plead guilty. How can Trump dismantling the investigation be supported? And if he does manage to get rid of Mueller, what will happen then? Surely all of Mueller's work and the investigation won't just disappear, will it?
I don't get it.
I'm a history buff. I have read a lot about Nixon and Watergate. Didn't Nixon try to get rid of (or did get rid of) the special counsel investigating him?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 11, 2018 1:47:11 GMT
And if he does manage to get rid of Mueller, what will happen then? Surely all of Mueller's work and the investigation won't just disappear, will it? It could. There may be no coming back from the mess for us if it did disappear. Wont have to worry about the mid-term elections! |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2018 2:08:58 GMT
My @#%}}$@& son told me while I was making dinner that Trump just fired Mueller. Holy hell, you could hear me screaming on the other side of town and predicting imminent civil war. He was laughing his ass off by the time I simmered down. Needless to say, it's not true. Yet. You should at least disown him for the amount of time it took to get your heart back to normal rhythm. (ours, too) oh, trust me. I had words (many words, the best words) for him. He slunk off with the kid to tae kwon do, to give me time to calm down.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 11, 2018 2:13:03 GMT
And if he does manage to get rid of Mueller, what will happen then? Surely all of Mueller's work and the investigation won't just disappear, will it? It could. There may be no coming back from the mess for us if it did disappear. Wont have to worry about the mid-term elections! It won’t. Mueller is not a one man team. |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2018 2:17:49 GMT
I'm a history buff. I have read a lot about Nixon and Watergate. Didn't Nixon try to get rid of (or did get rid of) the special counsel investigating him? He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. |
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Post by jamiebohbamie on Apr 11, 2018 11:08:45 GMT
Should we start taking bets? Will Trump fire Rosenstein 1. in person 2. on national TV or 3. on Twitter?
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Post by used2scrap on Apr 11, 2018 11:23:48 GMT
Should we start taking bets? Will Trump fire Rosenstein 1. in person 2. on national TV or 3. on Twitter? I’ll take Twitter. |
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Post by imsirius on Apr 11, 2018 12:10:56 GMT
I'm a history buff. I have read a lot about Nixon and Watergate. Didn't Nixon try to get rid of (or did get rid of) the special counsel investigating him? He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. Wasn't Nixon or his lawyer holed up in the Watergate hotel too? Scary similarities? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 11, 2018 13:48:02 GMT
Trump tried to fire Mueller in December: report BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN AND MAX GREENWOOD - 04/10/18 07:16 PM EDT President Trump attempted to fire special counsel Robert Mueller in December, The New York Times reported Tuesday. Trump reportedly tried to fire Mueller after he became enraged over reports that the special counsel had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for records on Trump’s finances. However, Mueller’s team told the White House that the reports were inaccurate and the president backed off from the move, the Times reported. Trump’s lawyers also did not believe the reports to be accurate, because Trump did not keep his money in the bank.The report comes the same day that the White House said Trump believes he has the power to fire Mueller. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/382578-trump-tried-to-fire-mueller-in-december-reportAh but maybe Cohen had money in Deutsche Bank... Oops!
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Post by busy on Apr 11, 2018 14:02:50 GMT
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Post by gardengoddess on Apr 11, 2018 14:02:59 GMT
I'm a history buff. I have read a lot about Nixon and Watergate. Didn't Nixon try to get rid of (or did get rid of) the special counsel investigating him? He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. Then Bork got borked in his confirmation hearing for SCOTUS. That was one scary dude with some scary originalist ideals. But at least, then Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Joe Biden gave him a hearing, unlike now Chairman Charles Grassley didn't do for Merrick Garland in 2016. That confirmation hearing was the first one I ever paid attention to and watched as much as I could because he could have done some real damage to this country. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 11, 2018 14:05:00 GMT
Trump tried to fire Mueller in December: report BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN AND MAX GREENWOOD - 04/10/18 07:16 PM EDT President Trump attempted to fire special counsel Robert Mueller in December, The New York Times reported Tuesday. Trump reportedly tried to fire Mueller after he became enraged over reports that the special counsel had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for records on Trump’s finances. However, Mueller’s team told the White House that the reports were inaccurate and the president backed off from the move, the Times reported. Trump’s lawyers also did not believe the reports to be accurate, because Trump did not keep his money in the bank.The report comes the same day that the White House said Trump believes he has the power to fire Mueller. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/382578-trump-tried-to-fire-mueller-in-december-reportAh but maybe Cohen had money in Deutsche Bank... Oops! Didn’t Trump have some loans at Deutsche Bank that defaulted or something though? And Kushner has/had loans with them as well. Business Insider article |
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Post by pyccku on Apr 11, 2018 14:31:02 GMT
Should we start taking bets? Will Trump fire Rosenstein 1. in person 2. on national TV or 3. on Twitter? Twitter. There is NO way that Trump would ever fire him in person. He's too much of a coward. He loves to play the big strong man who is going to really teach someone a lesson, but he only does it from behind a keyboard. He doesn't have the balls to stand up to anyone in person. |
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Post by Just T on Apr 11, 2018 16:27:53 GMT
I'm a history buff. I have read a lot about Nixon and Watergate. Didn't Nixon try to get rid of (or did get rid of) the special counsel investigating him? He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. Thanks for filling me in, lucyg! I knew there was something, but I didn't know the details. I was a little kid when Watergate went down, and I haven't read much about it recently, so I knew I was missing details. |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2018 16:34:10 GMT
He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. Wasn't Nixon or his lawyer holed up in the Watergate hotel too? Scary similarities? I don't remember anyone being holed up at the Watergate, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen.  |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2018 16:35:44 GMT
He did. On a Saturday night. First he ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor. AG refused and was fired on the spot. Then he ordered the deputy AG to do it. He also refused and was fired. Then he went looking for the next in line (on a Saturday night) and came up with the Solicitor General. A fellow named Robert Bork. You may have heard of him under other, less pleasant circumstances. That guy said sure, no problem. He fired the special prosecutor. And that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre and was the beginning of the end for Richard Nixon. Thanks for filling me in, lucyg! I knew there was something, but I didn't know the details. I was a little kid when Watergate went down, and I haven't read much about it recently, so I knew I was missing details. I am old enough to have been following along in real time (college age).  |
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Post by busy on Apr 11, 2018 16:42:33 GMT
If you haven't listened to Slate's Slow Burn podcast about Watergate, I highly recommend it. Very interesting on its own merits and also for parallels to our current situation. |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 11, 2018 17:52:56 GMT
I have no doubt Trump will attempt to fire Mueller anyway he can, but I'm not sure what I think the repercussions will be. Half of me says that the GOP will just collectively shrug and not care, but I also think Trump's problems really started when he fired Comey. Sometimes he is his own worst enemy.
I hope it's like the movies and Mueller has a hundred thick manilla envelopes ready to be dropped in the mail if that happens. Or a big warehouse full of documents and his closest friends and family are given a key with a note that says "in case I'm fired or poisoned by Russians .... proceed with the key".
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 14, 2018 2:57:35 GMT
Way way back, 6 pages and 4 days ago which is a lifetime in Trump’s America, I said that I wanted to know what they would find out about whether or not Cohen traveled to Prague as the dossier alleged. You may recall he stridently denied this, posting a photo of his passport to show he did not go to Prague.
Tonight reports are that Mueller now has evidence Cohen was in Prague exactly when the dossier alleged he was.
My gut told me this was what Mueller was after all along. And they farmed this out as a criminal investigation of Cohen so it will continue regardless of what Trump does with Mueller or Rosenstein. But the evidence will show what it shows. This isn’t even worthy of a checkers/chess comparison.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2018 3:12:24 GMT
Here you go!! Mueller can prove Cohen made secret trip to Prague before the election: reportBY MORGAN GSTALTER - 04/13/18 07:39 PM EDT Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has proof that President Trump’s personal lawyer made a secret trip to Prague during the 2016 campaign despite his denial that he'd ever been there, McClatchy reported Friday. It is not clear why Michael Cohen was in Prague. The claim he visited was originally made in a dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.Cohen denied that he'd ever been to Prague "in my life" after the dossier's publication, tweeting a photo of his passport. McClatchy reported that Cohen entered the country through Germany in August or early September 2016, which does not require a passport stamp.The dossier claimed that, in Prague, Cohen met with a prominent ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Konstantin Kosachev, but it is not clear whether Mueller has evidence of such a meeting. Koschahev was one of 24 Russian oligarchs slapped with U.S. sanctions earlier this month. thehill.com/homenews/news/383123-mueller-can-prove-cohen-made-secret-trip-to-prague-before-the-election-report |
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 14, 2018 3:24:37 GMT
Hire a goon lawyer who graduated from one of the worst law schools in the country - eh, you get what you get. Can’t WAIT to hear what they picked up on Trump’s phone call to Mr. Cohen yesterday (or today?) Because anyone who doesn’t think that Cohen’s phones are under a legal wire is a moron. Maybe Trump used his pseudonym for that call. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 3:02:06 GMT
Well sur-prise sur-prise sur-prise. It looks like Hannity's been railing against the Cohen raids, fomenting all manner of dissent, when, guess who Cohen's 3rd "client" was?!?!?? From Shannon Watts:  |
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Apr 17, 2018 3:45:30 GMT
Well sur-prise sur-prise sur-prise. It looks like Hannity's been railing against the Cohen raids, fomenting all manner of dissent, when, guess who Cohen's 3rd "client" was?!?!?? From Shannon Watts: Think he'll be fired? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 3:57:08 GMT
Well sur-prise sur-prise sur-prise. It looks like Hannity's been railing against the Cohen raids, fomenting all manner of dissent, when, guess who Cohen's 3rd "client" was?!?!?? From Shannon Watts: Think he'll be fired? From Fox?!?!?!? The propaganda "entertainment" network that likes to throw "News" into its title to rook the unthinking?!?!?!! That Fox?!?!?!? Yeah, sure. |
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