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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:49:51 GMT
This article:
discusses that.
I don't know. I'm on the fence about this (I do take great issue with the title - It should be 'Do plus size clothes make people fatter", ffs).
I come from a life long history of gaining weight and losing it and gaining it back and losing it again. I was near 300 pounds at some point, and I've been around 130 at my lowest weight. I'm tall, so that that was not a healthy situation. I ended up being diagnosed with an eating disorder about a year ago. After a year of therapy, I am at a place where I am ok with my body. I am still not thin (a size 14 now), but I am fit. I'm a triathlete. My body is incredibly strong. I am proud of it, for that. That said, my relationship with food is a struggle every single damn day.
I do agree with the author of the article that the normalization of obesity is a dangerous thing. All these people 'celebrating their curves' - so often I see this on social media and I can't help but think, no, you are not curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. You are just fat.
I also see a double standard, sometimes: it seems to be ok to state that people are too skinny and should 'just eat a burger', but it is completely unacceptable to say that people are too fat and should just stop stuffing their face.
Thirdly, there seem to be so many people who mistakenly attribute their obesity to a medical issue or a genetic thing. I mean, No, you are not genetically predisposed to be big. If you are, then that's the difference between 130 or 135 pounds, for example - not the difference between 135 and 250 pounds. The great big vast majority of people is overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. That is a dangerous thing and shouldn't be made acceptable, or excused.
We *are* moving towards a universal health crisis. Should vanity sizing and the normalization of plus size clothing be stopped? Is that the way back to health? What say the peas?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 19, 2018 13:00:00 GMT
Does anyone really think making only ugly large size clothes with large size numbers is going to make people start losing weight? It’s just another form of fat shaming.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 19, 2018 13:02:49 GMT
Everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable in the body they have.
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Post by guzismom on Jul 19, 2018 13:14:22 GMT
I find a lot of fault with this article; I'll start with this quote:
Plus size clothes are NOT an attempt at body positivity; they are a reaction (long overdue) to the reality that larger people need to be clothed too and desire more choices. Why should only those with a body size acceptable to society be allowed to wear well made, comfortable, affordable, attractive clothing? Just another way to body shame; force people into unattractive, uncomfortable, expensive clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:14:35 GMT
Nope!
I have been wearing “fat” clothes all my life, even when I was 100 pounds. I can not stand waistbands, or button shirts. I can’t wear a tight bra or underwire. And I wear bigger undies so nothing is tight. I would die if I had to wear a thong undie. The trend with the silky clingy tops is driving me to anger.
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Post by Merge on Jul 19, 2018 13:21:19 GMT
I think people should worry less about others’ bodies and clothing, and mind their own business.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 19, 2018 13:26:00 GMT
Yes, it's the ability to properly clothe our bodies that is making us fat. We should should go back to less available clothing and hiding the womens' section in department stores on the top floors by furniture or lingerie to make it more difficult to find. That'll help. /s
eta: Your comments on medical causes of excess weight offend me. It's more prevelant than you have acknowledged and frankly, none of your business. The same with people's intake of calories, it's not up to you to find it "acceptable" or "excuse" it.
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Post by schizo319 on Jul 19, 2018 13:29:26 GMT
This is what resonated with me from the 'article'. "As a big girl, I can tell you with certainty that having greater access to beautiful clothes that fit well is not the reason I am overweight. And seeing clothes on someone like stunning plus-size supermodel Ashley Graham does not increase my struggle to lose the pounds. If anything, the opposite is true. Wearing clothes that fit and flatter me makes me feel better about myself. The result is that I’m more likely to look after myself, and less likely to overeat." All these people 'celebrating their curves' - so often I see this on social media and I can't help but think, no, you are not curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. You are just fat. And frankly, this attitude is flat out unbecoming. I'm not sure what it is you stand to gain by criticizing someone who managed (probably after many years of self-hatred) to find something to love about themselves. Judgement wrapped in a cloak of "concern for society" is still judgement. Bottom line for me is: other people's weight is not. your. business. sincerely, a size 14 fat girl who's spent the last 40 or so years trying to cover her "curves" so nobody else ever has to be subjected to having to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:33:11 GMT
Everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable in the body they have. 100% this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:38:21 GMT
And frankly, this attitude is flat out unbecoming. I'm not sure what it is you stand to gain by criticizing someone who managed (probably after many years of self-hatred) to find something to love about themselves. Judgement wrapped in a cloak of "concern for society" is still judgement. Bottom line for me is: other people's weight is not. your. business. sincerely, a size 14 fat girl who's spent the last 40 or so years trying to cover her "curves" so nobody else ever has to be subjected to having to see that. The thing is, if half the adults in a society are overweight, then that is a problem. Not talking about it because doing so it automatically 'fat shaming' is not going to solve that problem. Neither is pretending it is normal. I don't *know* what the answer is Sincerely, Another size 14 fat girl who hid herself for years (but does realize she *personally* is fat because she eats a lot).
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Post by pastlifepea on Jul 19, 2018 13:38:40 GMT
While I understand the author's point, it's merely hypothesis that making clothing that fits and flatters all sizes encourages people to gain weight. So here's my hypothesis...you stop making that clothing and A) people will have to purchase ill fitting and or/ugly clothing or B) people can just be naked.
There are likely many factors that figure into an increase of people believing that they area healthy weight when they are actually not. I don't see that punishing people by taking away clothing that is cute and fits will remedy that situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:38:43 GMT
Everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable in the body they have. 100% this. That would seem to contradict everything you said here. Stating someone is 'just fat' seems to be saying they don't have the right to celebrate their bodies or to be comfortable in it. As someone who has struggled with weight and an eating disorder, you don't seem to understand the danger of the kind of statements you've just made. I do agree with the author of the article that the normalization of obesity is a dangerous thing. All these people 'celebrating their curves' - so often I see this on social media and I can't help but think, no, you are not curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. You are just fat.
I also see a double standard, sometimes: it seems to be ok to state that people are too skinny and should 'just eat a burger', but it is completely unacceptable to say that people are too fat and should just stop stuffing their face.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 19, 2018 13:40:54 GMT
Just for me, as a lifelong “just fat” girl (except - and only except - for my eating disorder years)... I call bullshit.
It’s okay to celebrate the body I’m in whatever that body looks like. I believe that all bodies are good bodies even if they aren’t healthy bodies. I won’t apologize for my size and I won’t wait to be comfortable in my own skin. I grew up thinking I was supposed to hate my body, and I won’t do it anymore. I live in this body every day, there is nothing good come from hating it.
It’s also okay to like nice clothes at any size. I’m not much of a fashionista but I like clothes that look nice. Nice clothes being available in my size doesn’t encourage me to sit around complacent. It just means I can wear clothes I like.
I think a lot of fat people think they need to be trying to “fix it” in order to be acceptable. I have spent most of my life trying to figure out how to lose weight to be acceptable. I am at a point where now if I want to lose weight it is as part of taking care of my body, for me. But I have made peace with my body because I didn’t have any choice. Whatever the cause of my weight - genetics, hormones, food, etc - I still made peace with my body after fighting it for decades. This is not in opposition to looking to live a healthy life, it is part of the same process. I’m not asking to be “excused” as if anyone has the authority to excuse me for living in this world in my own body.
Fat shaming hasn’t made people thinner over the last decades. What makes anyone think it’s going to start now?
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 19, 2018 13:43:49 GMT
Women have struggled for ages to get clothing manufacturers to produce attractive clothing for overweight women. The clothes were made for existing women—they didn’t magically lose weight because their clothes were ugly.
Anyhow, there are a lot of factors that influence weight and things like community and friends really do influence it. So does the huge amount of sugar in everything, as the “no” perspective in that article indicates. Automotive culture does as well. Stress and lack of time are factors too. I have a hard time imagining that any part of the solution here would involve shaming overweight women (again?) by limiting their options to outmoded flowered caftans or something.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 19, 2018 13:58:11 GMT
There are so many different facets of this discussion that we can talk about. First, how do we lose weight? By eating keto? Fasting? WFPB? Low calorie? Which thing is the right answer? We can't even have consensus on that from the medical community.
I am 50 pounds overweight at this time. I am uncomfortable. I don't like the way I look or feel. I feel like every pair of structured pants I put on, even when they fit well is restrictive and squeezes my big belly every time I sit down. I am not happy with this. Ugly clothes are just going to make me feel worse about myself.
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Post by schizo319 on Jul 19, 2018 13:58:40 GMT
The thing is, if half the adults in a society are overweight, then that is a problem. Not talking about it because doing so it automatically 'fat shaming' is not going to solve that problem. Neither is pretending it is normal. You definitely have a point, and obesity IS a concern, but rather than blame the clothing industry for the issue, or criticize those who are comfortable in their 'fat' skin, as society we could/should focus on strong/healthy - regardless of what size package that comes in. Continuing to push the narrative that you don't deserve stylish clothing because you aren't thin is just going to continue to contribute to eating disorders, drug addictions and even suicide. How many women have died or caused lasting damage to themselves in pursuit of thin?
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Post by rodeomom on Jul 19, 2018 14:00:14 GMT
What a crock of shit! There are many reasons why people are fat. I think that we really don't know all the reasons why. I believe it maybe in how our food is processed. I do believe there is a genetic component to it as well. But clothing? Are you kidding me?
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Post by Ellie on Jul 19, 2018 14:07:28 GMT
Fat shaming hasn’t made people thinner over the last decades. What makes anyone think it’s going to start now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:10:09 GMT
This article:
discusses that.
I don't know. I'm on the fence about this (I do take great issue with the title - It should be 'Do plus size clothes make people fatter", ffs).
I come from a life long history of gaining weight and losing it and gaining it back and losing it again. I was near 300 pounds at some point, and I've been around 130 at my lowest weight. I'm tall, so that that was not a healthy situation. I ended up being diagnosed with an eating disorder about a year ago. After a year of therapy, I am at a place where I am ok with my body. I am still not thin (a size 14 now), but I am fit. I'm a triathlete. My body is incredibly strong. I am proud of it, for that. That said, my relationship with food is a struggle every single damn day.
I do agree with the author of the article that the normalization of obesity is a dangerous thing. All these people 'celebrating their curves' - so often I see this on social media and I can't help but think, no, you are not curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. You are just fat.
I also see a double standard, sometimes: it seems to be ok to state that people are too skinny and should 'just eat a burger', but it is completely unacceptable to say that people are too fat and should just stop stuffing their face.
Thirdly, there seem to be so many people who mistakenly attribute their obesity to a medical issue or a genetic thing. I mean, No, you are not genetically predisposed to be big. If you are, then that's the difference between 130 or 135 pounds, for example - not the difference between 135 and 250 pounds. The great big vast majority of people is overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. That is a dangerous thing and shouldn't be made acceptable, or excused.
We *are* moving towards a universal health crisis. Should vanity sizing and the normalization of plus size clothing be stopped? Is that the way back to health? What say the peas?
Can you please show me your medical degree and nutritionist degree as well as peoper state and federal cerificates? Oh no. You can't? Who in the hell made you an expert. Ffs!!! I see a nutritionist. I am a size 16 at 200 pounds. 5'7". I have always been between a 12 and 16. It is MY GENETIC body type. I am muscular. Did gymnastics, cycling, tennis, swimming. I am back into cycling. You do know that muscle weights more than fat right? And being muscular makes it harder to fit into socieities skinny jeans right?!?! I tried the low card no sugar keto type diets and GAINED weight. My nutritionist has me take in between 1800 and 1900 cals a day and guess what? ? I AM LOOSING BODY FAT, GAINING MUSCLE, AAANNNDDDD LOST A PAN SIZE. I am also on Carbs! Holy shit right?! I am sorry YOU have weight and food issues but dont be going around trying to shame everyone else and put us down. F off
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 19, 2018 14:20:56 GMT
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We *are* moving towards a universal health crisis. Should vanity sizing and the normalization of plus size clothing be stopped? Is that the way back to health? What say the peas?
I know you're serious about this post, but I confess to be utterly shaking my head. How exactly does "stopping the normalization of plus size clothing" work? Do you think manufacturers are going to suddenly stop making clothing for more than half the population? Countries will pass legislation to only offer ugly clothes for those over size 12? The obesity crisis won't be solved by putting everyone in muumuus even if one could actually implement something so asinine.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Jul 19, 2018 14:26:32 GMT
I am fat, I am not fat by choice. I was fat as a child and I am fat as an adult. As a child I was active, outside playing and running every chance I got. We didn't have tv or video games, we were active and played. I did not eat the wrong foods, because my parents didn't really allow it. There was no sugar or fried foods in my life. We ate fairly healthy. I remember my aunt used to come visit and always brought a box of Froot Loops with her (it was a family joke). Us kids LIVED for that visit because we got to eat junk cereal. Now as an adult I can't seem to lose weight no matter what I try. Diet after diet and it's left me fatter than ever. Last year while following the Weight Watchers program to a T, I was on medication that had me gain 50 pounds. I am off that medication and can't seem to lose that extra 50 that I put on. I'm counting calories and watching everything I put in my mouth and still it won't budge. I'm not allowed to exercise much, per doctors orders, so I'm doing what I can. I deserve to be comfortable in my skin, I deserve to have nice things to wear, I deserve to be loved for who I am. I don't need anyones permission and I certainly don't need anyone's judgement. No one, but me, knows my life or what goes on in my life. Not everyone who is fat "stuffs their face".
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 19, 2018 14:34:29 GMT
I thought that the author was making a point about vanity sizing. It is a good point, I think. Maybe I need more coffee, but I didn’t see where she was talking about making ugly plus size clothes.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 19, 2018 14:39:38 GMT
I thought that the author was making a point about vanity sizing. It is a good point, I think. Maybe I need more coffee, but I didn’t see where she was talking about making ugly plus size clothes. As the author made several comments about "flattering" clothing for plus sized women, it was implied that it was part of the problem in the context of the article.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 19, 2018 14:42:45 GMT
Oh and for the record, I detest vanity sizing! Actually what I detest is non-standard sizing. It just makes it a pita to shop. And that's as much of a problem in non-plus sized clothing if not more so - I always have to guess what size to grab when trying something on and usually grab 2 or three sizes as you just never know.
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Post by sues on Jul 19, 2018 14:45:58 GMT
I do agree with the author of the article that the normalization of obesity is a dangerous thing. All these people 'celebrating their curves' - so often I see this on social media and I can't help but think, no, you are not curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. You are just fat.
The great big vast majority of people is overweight because they take in more calories than they burn. That is a dangerous thing and shouldn't be made acceptable, or excused.
We *are* moving towards a universal health crisis. Should vanity sizing and the normalization of plus size clothing be stopped? Is that the way back to health? What say the peas?
I am stunned. I'm not even talking about the article - I'm talking about you. Seriously. You say you've struggled with food and your weight - and then this is what you dump on women in a similar place? Just fat? Normalization? ....shouldn't be made acceptable? ....normalization of plus-sized clothing be stopped? ...stuffing their face? Really- on the off chance you haven't given your words some thought- look at what you're saying. Look at the words you're using. What do you care if overweight people feel any level of acceptance about their bodies or their size? Why should anyone care who you deem acceptably 'curvy' and who you decide is 'just fat'? This isn't a conversation starter. This is just you, being shitty. I'm so tired of people using health and wellness as a shield for their shitty attitudes about things that are none of their business. You're a 'fit, incredibly strong size 14 triathlete'? Cue the fucking applause. If you're going to call it open season on the fat women beneath you, at least be honest about how you start the conversation. Or maybe - just don't.
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Post by carhoch on Jul 19, 2018 14:46:57 GMT
I don’t know if plus size clothes make me fatter but I know that airplane seat make me wanna lose weight !
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 19, 2018 14:48:32 GMT
I thought that the author was making a point about vanity sizing. It is a good point, I think. Maybe I need more coffee, but I didn’t see where she was talking about making ugly plus size clothes. As the author made several comments about "flattering" clothing for plus sized women, it was implied that it was part of the problem in the context of the article. Well, that is true. She also mentioned vanity sizing and normalizing larger sizes.( and maybe I am wrong, but I thought that normalizing was another reference to vanity sizing) I dunno.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 19, 2018 14:50:12 GMT
Oh and for the record, I detest vanity sizing! Actually what I detest is non-standard sizing. It just makes it a pita to shop. And that's as much of a problem in non-plus sized clothing if not more so - I always have to guess what size to grab when trying something on and usually grab 2 or three sizes as you just never know. I agree with that. The article was not well written, and I felt that it was difficult to tell exactly what her main point was.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 19, 2018 14:56:24 GMT
Oh and for the record, I detest vanity sizing! Actually what I detest is non-standard sizing. It just makes it a pita to shop. And that's as much of a problem in non-plus sized clothing if not more so - I always have to guess what size to grab when trying something on and usually grab 2 or three sizes as you just never know. I agree with that. The article was not well written, and I felt that it was difficult to tell exactly what her main point was. The article's pure click-bait.
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Post by colleen on Jul 19, 2018 14:58:39 GMT
The title of the article is ridiculous and misleading. That said, I think the original premise may have been about the inflation of sizes. In other words, is it doing more harm than good that the size 16 of 30 years ago is now a size 10?
Heres an example of this. I wore a size 10 in college and I was 5’7 and about 130 pounds. I wear a size 10 now and I’m 30 pounds heavier. Does this size inflation help me rationalize being heavier? Probably. Intellectually, I know I no longer have the bikini body of my youth, but emotionally I like still being a size 10.
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