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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2018 17:29:16 GMT
just a little Randy Rainbow to brighten up your day--  Omarosa! (to the tune of Oklahoma) |
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Post by Merge on Aug 22, 2018 19:03:17 GMT
Trump appears to have just confessed to a felony on Fox News:
And then he's also whatabouting Obama and blaming Jeff Sessions.
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 22, 2018 19:42:56 GMT
Trump appears to have just confessed to a felony on Fox News: And then he's also whatabouting Obama and blaming Jeff Sessions. The comments on this twitter thread (is that what they're called on Twitter?) are priceless. Every single one. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2018 20:07:08 GMT
how is it that it was his own money, but he didn't know about the payments until 'later on' ?? It can't be both.
Please, please, please, let him be gone soon.
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Post by peasquared on Aug 22, 2018 20:10:45 GMT
Yeah, it's those "among other things" that got him in trouble! Looking forward to his next trial and guilty verdict. |
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 22, 2018 20:12:19 GMT
I really really wanted to see what Hannity was going to say on his program last night. I wanted to see how he was going to spin the double news from yesterday and it was a scream. I shit you not, he spent the entire program on Hillary Clinton. He was unhinged and it was almost sad to watch if I didn't hate that fucker so much.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 22, 2018 20:14:33 GMT
What is it about his grammar? Badly? Bigly? Dude must have conned his way through high school and college. He'll be such a stain on future history books.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 22, 2018 20:20:10 GMT
Trump appears to have just confessed to a felony on Fox News: And then he's also whatabouting Obama and blaming Jeff Sessions. LOL! Didn’t he clearly say before that he knew nothing about a payment to Stormy? That he knew nothing about what Cohen was doing? NOW he says the payment came directly from him? He really is a trip. Anyway, re this video: No, Trump is NOT confessing to a felony. It’s the opposite – Trump is shielding himself from a felony charge of conspiracy to violate campaign laws. Trump the Candidate can legally contribute an unlimited amount to his own campaign and the only responsibility is that expenses against those funds be reported. Michael Cohen, on the other hand, is indeed guilty of a felony because the hush money is considered an in-kind contribution (made to prevent reputational harm on a candidate) which exceeded the legal limit of an individual by $127,300. (An excess of less than $25,000 is a misdemeanor; an excess of $25,000 or more is a felony.) So, by claiming it was his money he’s essentially saying he’s not guilty of anything. |
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 22, 2018 20:20:35 GMT
just a little Randy Rainbow to brighten up your day--  Omarosa! (to the tune of Oklahoma) "Excuse me, I'll do the blowing around here." Favorite line for the day. And I have heard quite a few today. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2018 20:23:49 GMT
Trump the Candidate can legally contribute an unlimited amount to his own campaign and the only responsibility is that expenses against those funds be reported. yeah, but even if it WAS Trump's own money, it wasn't reported. And if it was done specifically to influence the election (due to the timing)-- both of those things are illegal... right? |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 22, 2018 20:26:01 GMT
Trump appears to have just confessed to a felony on Fox News: And then he's also whatabouting Obama and blaming Jeff Sessions. LOL! Didn’t he clearly say before that he knew nothing about a payment to Stormy? That he knew nothing about what Cohen was doing? NOW he says the payment came directly from him? He really is a trip. Anyway, re this video: No, Trump is NOT confessing to a felony. It’s the opposite – Trump is shielding himself from a felony charge of conspiracy to violate campaign laws. Trump the Candidate can legally contribute an unlimited amount to his own campaign and the only responsibility is that expenses against those funds be reported. Michael Cohen, on the other hand, is indeed guilty of a felony because the hush money is considered an in-kind contribution (made to prevent reputational harm on a candidate) which exceeded the legal limit of an individual by $127,300. (An excess of less than $25,000 is a misdemeanor; an excess of $25,000 or more is a felony.) So, by claiming it was his money he’s essentially saying he’s not guilty of anything. But he still has to report it right? And he’s violated the law by not reporting it. And if it’s his money, but he gave it to Cohen to use illegally that could still be a conspiracy charge? |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 22, 2018 20:29:19 GMT
that's basically how I understood it when it was explained on [the apparently ragingly liberal] MSNBC yesterday... lol.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 22, 2018 20:43:33 GMT
Trump the Candidate can legally contribute an unlimited amount to his own campaign and the only responsibility is that expenses against those funds be reported. yeah, but even if it WAS Trump's own money, it wasn't reported. And if it was done specifically to influence the election (due to the timing)-- both of those things are illegal... right? Yes, it wasn't reported, but that's usually treated merely as an administrative error and a fine is paid (an example is the donor list in Obama's campaign). Also, a political contribution, by its legal definition IS for the purpose of influencing a federal election. There is nothing illegal in influencing an election by giving a contribution. |
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 22, 2018 21:03:23 GMT
But he still has to report it right? And he’s violated the law by not reporting it. And if it’s his money, but he gave it to Cohen to use illegally that could still be a conspiracy charge? Yes, it should have been reported, but as I said above it is merely regarded as an administrative error by the FEC and redressed by a fine. I think part of the problem in understanding this is because people think “hush money” is illegal. There is nothing illegal about hush money. Every single day, hush money is part and parcel of many nondisclosure agreements. The only time hush money would be illegal is if, for example, I pay a witness under oath to lie or to conceal a crime. That would be suborning perjury. In the Cohen/Trump case, the illegality occurred, not because he gave hush money to Stormy, but because the hush money exceeded the individual contributions limit of $2,700. Because the excess was over $25,000, it is regarded a felony by the DOJ. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 22, 2018 21:28:19 GMT
Which of his stories about this payment are we supposed to believe? I don't know how his supporters can give him a pass when he has clearly lied about this many, many times already, as evidenced by the changing story.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 22, 2018 21:38:41 GMT
Cohen has tapes, texts, emails and documents....
This goes much further than the stormy payments!
He is going to sit with Mueller if he hasn't already, and sing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 22, 2018 21:51:01 GMT
Cohen has tapes, texts, emails and documents.... This goes much further than the stormy payments! He is going to sit with Mueller if he hasn't already, and sing. Plus Cohen has stated that he won’t take a pardon! |
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Post by peasquared on Aug 22, 2018 22:00:51 GMT
Cohen has tapes, texts, emails and documents.... This goes much further than the stormy payments! He is going to sit with Mueller if he hasn't already, and sing. Please, please, please! |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 22, 2018 22:07:59 GMT
But he still has to report it right? And he’s violated the law by not reporting it. And if it’s his money, but he gave it to Cohen to use illegally that could still be a conspiracy charge? Yes, it should have been reported, but as I said above it is merely regarded as an administrative error by the FEC and redressed by a fine. I think part of the problem in understanding this is because people think “hush money” is illegal. There is nothing illegal about hush money. Every single day, hush money is part and parcel of many nondisclosure agreements. The only time hush money would be illegal is if, for example, I pay a witness under oath to lie or to conceal a crime. That would be suborning perjury. In the Cohen/Trump case, the illegality occurred, not because he gave hush money to Stormy, but because the hush money exceeded the individual contributions limit of $2,700. Because the excess was over $25,000, it is regarded a felony by the DOJ. Yes, but this is the same thing John Edwards was prosecuted for. He wasn’t convicted because the prosecutor could not convince a jury that the payments were to influence the election but rather to protect his dying wife from his affair. Here we have clear statements that it was done to influence the election. I think there is clear precedent to prosecute the President here. I’m not very familiar with election/campaign finance law but it seems clear that he admitted to violations in his interview today with Fox. |
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Post by rodeomom on Aug 22, 2018 22:10:46 GMT
Cohen has tapes, texts, emails and documents.... This goes much further than the stormy payments! He is going to sit with Mueller if he hasn't already, and sing. Watch Fox and you will get an idea of why some people (who watch it as their only news) think the way they do. The way Fox is spinning it as if it's no big deal and was the same as what happened with Obama. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 22, 2018 22:41:50 GMT
He is going to sit with Mueller if he hasn't already, and sing. Cohen has already been served with a subpoena from NY. Cohen subpoenaed in Trump Foundation probe: report BY MICHAEL BURKE - 08/22/18 03:16 PM EDT Investigators in New York state have issued a subpoena to President Trump’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, as part of a probe into the Trump Foundation, The Associated Press reported Wednesday. The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance opened an investigation into the Trump Foundation over possible violations of state tax laws, The New York Times reported last month. The Times report did not reveal specifics about the probe or what Trump Foundation activities were being investigated. But the newspaper reported that the probe is likely linked to a lawsuit New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood (D) filed in June alleging that Trump illegally used the Trump Foundation to support his 2016 campaign. The Hill has reached out to New York’s Department of Taxation and Finance for comment. The subpoena comes after Cohen pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges of bank fraud, tax fraud and campaign finance law violations. The campaign finance violations stemmed from hush-money payments made to two women who say they had affairs with Trump years ago. Cohen implicated the president in the crimes, but did not name him. --This breaking news report was last updated at 3:40 p.m. thehill.com/homenews/administration/403083-new-york-investigators-subpoena-cohen-in-trump-foundation-probeNY State charges would not allow dt to pardon........ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:51:18 GMT
Another thing I don’t like about trump is his sleeze factor and the cast of characters that he surrounds himself are as big a sneeze balls as he is.
You know these characters exist but thanks to trump they are front and center and in your face.
I don’t want to see these people in action in real life and in the White House, I only want to see them where they belong, in a poorly written, poorly acted b movie.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 22, 2018 23:07:34 GMT
Yes, it should have been reported, but as I said above it is merely regarded as an administrative error by the FEC and redressed by a fine. I think part of the problem in understanding this is because people think “hush money” is illegal. There is nothing illegal about hush money. Every single day, hush money is part and parcel of many nondisclosure agreements. The only time hush money would be illegal is if, for example, I pay a witness under oath to lie or to conceal a crime. That would be suborning perjury. In the Cohen/Trump case, the illegality occurred, not because he gave hush money to Stormy, but because the hush money exceeded the individual contributions limit of $2,700. Because the excess was over $25,000, it is regarded a felony by the DOJ. Yes, but this is the same thing John Edwards was prosecuted for. He wasn’t convicted because the prosecutor could not convince a jury that the payments were to influence the election but rather to protect his dying wife from his affair. Here we have clear statements that it was done to influence the election. I think there is clear precedent to prosecute the President here. I’m not very familiar with election/campaign finance law but it seems clear that he admitted to violations in his interview today with Fox. I hear you, but there is a difference. The prosecution in the Edwards case asserted that monies solicited by Edwards were indeed contributions because they were specifically solicited to hide the affair and protect his presidential run. They did not assert that using the money to hide his affair is illegal, but rather that (1) the amounts were not gifts as Edwards claimed; (2) that they exceeded the federal statute limitations on individual contributions, and; (3) that a conspiracy occurred to shield those monies from the limits law. And in spite all that, he was acquitted on one charge and the other charges were dismissed. It is not illegal to be a shameless, self-serving liar. What Edwards did was repugnant, but in a court of law, repugnant means nothing. What matters in a court of law is laws. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 0:22:45 GMT
Bill Kristol....
“From new Fox News poll: Approval of Mueller investigation is now at 59%, up from 48% a month ago. Disapproval down from 40% to 37%. (And most of the new survey was completed before Tuesday’s news.) The Trump assault on Mueller seems to have fallen short.”
Let’s hope so...
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 23, 2018 1:12:35 GMT
Yes, but this is the same thing John Edwards was prosecuted for. He wasn’t convicted because the prosecutor could not convince a jury that the payments were to influence the election but rather to protect his dying wife from his affair. Here we have clear statements that it was done to influence the election. I think there is clear precedent to prosecute the President here. I’m not very familiar with election/campaign finance law but it seems clear that he admitted to violations in his interview today with Fox. I hear you, but there is a difference. The prosecution in the Edwards case asserted that monies solicited by Edwards were indeed contributions because they were specifically solicited to hide the affair and protect his presidential run. They did not assert that using the money to hide his affair is illegal, but rather that (1) the amounts were not gifts as Edwards claimed; (2) that they exceeded the federal statute limitations on individual contributions, and; (3) that a conspiracy occurred to shield those monies from the limits law. And in spite all that, he was acquitted on one charge and the other charges were dismissed. It is not illegal to be a shameless, self-serving liar. What Edwards did was repugnant, but in a court of law, repugnant means nothing. What matters in a court of law is laws. I understand that only the rule of law matters. I’m an attorney myself, I’m just not very familiar with campaign finance laws. I believe that Trumps situation mirrors the Edwards situation pretty closely except we have Cohens statements that explicitly say it was to influence the election and Trump admitted to knowing about it and participating in the payoff on his Fox interview. Edwards and the “donor” remained adamant it was to protect his dying wife. I don’t want Trump prosecuted because I think he is a corrupt morally bankrupt individual. I want him prosecuted if it can be proven that he committed a crime. In this case a felony. I agree that it may be a difficult prosecution but it’s certainly easier than the Edwards prosecution considering the admissions from Trump himself. We may just have to disagree that there is or is not something to prosecute here. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 23, 2018 1:35:28 GMT
So, people are saying that if Trump wasn't President, that he would be indicted for the crime that Cohen implicated him for. It seems backwards that he is rewarded for winning (in part because of the crime that he committed). Is that correct?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 1:57:22 GMT
trump...
“The only thing that I have done wrong is to win an election that was expected to be won by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. The problem is, they forgot to campaign in numerous states!”
For him this is pretty tame.
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