CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 14, 2018 13:45:40 GMT
I have a hard time understanding why people stay. I've never lived in an area that has hurricanes.
Now, here's my question....... Do those that remain when there is a mandatory evacuation and then want to be rescued get a charged for that rescue? I'm just wondering because of the danger that those who remain put the first responders in.
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Sept 14, 2018 13:51:19 GMT
The EMS here, and along the coast, has said that when winds get over a certain speed, they will no longer go out to rescue people because it puts the first responders in too much danger. I can't remember speed - maybe 30, 40 or 50 mph. They said if you stay, you're on your own.
As far as whether they get charged or not, I don't know. I think if you are under mandatory evacuation, you should go. I have seen stories about people with small children who are planning on riding this out - I think that's child endangerment.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 14, 2018 13:59:10 GMT
I have a hard time understanding why people stay. I've never lived in an area that has hurricanes. Now, here's my question....... Do those that remain when there is a mandatory evacuation and then want to be rescued get a charged for that rescue? I'm just wondering because of the danger that those who remain put the first responders in. Generally speaking, no. Rescue is not dependent upon the ability to pay. ETA - I would count on being charged for things you would normally be charged for, but that isn't always the case.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 14, 2018 14:02:12 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 14, 2018 14:23:22 GMT
There is a difference of those who can't go or those who won't go.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 14, 2018 16:16:35 GMT
There is a difference of those who can't go or those who won't go. Bingo!
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Post by Patter on Sept 14, 2018 16:19:29 GMT
The EMS here, and along the coast, has said that when winds get over a certain speed, they will no longer go out to rescue people because it puts the first responders in too much danger. I can't remember speed - maybe 30, 40 or 50 mph. They said if you stay, you're on your own. As far as whether they get charged or not, I don't know. I think if you are under mandatory evacuation, you should go. I have seen stories about people with small children who are planning on riding this out - I think that's child endangerment. My daughter is a police officer on shift right now. They were told 45 mph for their area. They will bring out the SWAT vehicle though to respond. Constantly praying for our first responders. There are so many dangers!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 14, 2018 16:38:25 GMT
There is a difference between can’t and won’t. But with anything there are lots of gray areas. It’s easy to say “I’d evacuate” when you don’t live in hurricane prone areas. It’s never just that easy. And they come every year pretty much. And money or lack of is one of the biggest reasons along with nowhere to go. Some of these people don’t have family or friends they can bunk with. All their family lives in the evacuation areas. And for some of these people we’re talking weeks or months with no job and no way to pay to feed and house yourself after you’ve evacuated.
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CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 14, 2018 17:02:06 GMT
I agree with the statement that there is a difference between can't evacuate and won't. From an outsider a hurricane seems very scary. I honestly don't know if I'd continue to live in an area if hurricanes were a regular occurrence.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 14, 2018 17:20:57 GMT
There is a difference between can’t and won’t. But with anything there are lots of gray areas. It’s easy to say “I’d evacuate” when you don’t live in hurricane prone areas. It’s never just that easy. And they come every year pretty much. And money or lack of is one of the biggest reasons along with nowhere to go. Some of these people don’t have family or friends they can bunk with. All their family lives in the evacuation areas. And for some of these people we’re talking weeks or months with no job and no way to pay to feed and house yourself after you’ve evacuated. I don't think people realize what it's like to be poor or not able to afford things. If someone does not have a credit card, savings, a place to stay, they have pets that a shelter won't take, etc, they can't just leave. Sadly there are many reasons that people can't afford to leave or can't leave.
We are in a position that we could leave, but when I was a single parent, with no savings and no credit card, I would not have been able to get a hotel or motel. And having a cat (or if I had a dog) not all shelters would have allowed us to stay there.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 14, 2018 17:41:32 GMT
There are a lot of factors at play. Not just poverty.
I would leave with a mandatory evacuation. I chose to stay with a voluntary one. It was a hard decision. I was ready to leave but the storm kept changing. Places I was going to became potentially dangerous. I considered making this week a vacation week. But the winds weakened and I chose to stay.
My main reason for staying is because I didn’t want to leave my husband. He needed to be here for immediately after the storm and past flooding made it difficult for people to return. He’s getting older but hasn’t realized it yet and my fear of him giving himself a heart attack clearing away trees or falling off the roof was too much for me to handle.
If there was a mandatory evacuation I would have insisted that he leave with us.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 14, 2018 17:45:19 GMT
There are a lot of factors at play. Not just poverty. I would leave with a mandatory evacuation. I chose to stay with a voluntary one. It was a hard decision. I was ready to leave but the storm kept changing. Places I was going to became potentially dangerous. I considered making this week a vacation week. But the winds weakened and I chose to stay. My main reason for staying is because I didn’t want to leave my husband. He needed to be here for immediately after the storm and past flooding made it difficult for people to return. He’s getting older but hasn’t realized it yet and my fear of him giving himself a heart attack clearing away trees or falling off the roof was too much for me to handle. If there was a mandatory evacuation I would have insisted that he leave with us. Boy, can I relate to so much of that!
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 14, 2018 17:45:24 GMT
Adding...
A friend chose to stay because her father is in a nursing home and could not be moved.
An acquaintance shared that he stayed to protect his business and home from looters.
Quite a few people stayed because of their pets. They had too many for the buses out of town and shelters.
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Post by annabella on Sept 14, 2018 17:49:37 GMT
People could have pets that they don't want to leave behind and can't take to the shelter. I know someone in Florida who when she evacuated earlier this year just sat on the freeway for hours in a deadlock with everyone else who left at the same time. She had money to go stay in a hotel but couldn't get anywhere. I imagine if you have that experience once, you won't do it again if you don't have a full tank of gas.
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Post by Florida Cindy on Sept 14, 2018 18:04:35 GMT
People dont leave because of: 1. Pets 2. People who rely on you 3. Jobs 4. No $ 5. Job wouldnt let them leave work until it was too late. 6. Hurricane hits where it wants to hit. It doesnt matter how good the forecast is for your area. Irma went farther west before it went north last year. It was predicted to hit SE Florida, not the Keys or SW Florida.
I may be wrong but intense flooding seems to be a huge after affect of these storms now as opposed to other hurricanes. Or, we have better media to inform us it occurs.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 14, 2018 18:07:25 GMT
Flooding is a bigger problem. We don’t have land anymore, we have asphalt.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 14, 2018 18:10:34 GMT
Flooding is a bigger problem. We don’t have land anymore, we have asphalt. That's part of it for some storms, but huge storms like Florence and Harvey that just sit in one spot for a very long time are going to flood whatever is beneath them.
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Post by yivit on Sept 14, 2018 20:51:47 GMT
Flooding is a bigger problem. We don’t have land anymore, we have asphalt. That's part of it for some storms, but huge storms like Florence and Harvey that just sit in one spot for a very long time are going to flood whatever is beneath them. ... and that asshole Allison that couldn't make up her mind in 2001.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 14, 2018 21:06:06 GMT
We have friends who did not leave the Myrtle Beach area because they have a horse farm that boards 30 horses. They can't evacuate the horses, and they don't want to leave them to fend for themselves.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 14, 2018 22:10:07 GMT
We have friends who did not leave the Myrtle Beach area because they have a horse farm that boards 30 horses. They can't evacuate the horses, and they don't want to leave them to fend for themselves. Myrtle Beach has really lucked out so far and it looks like they will continue to do so.
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Post by Patter on Sept 15, 2018 9:56:58 GMT
We have friends who did not leave the Myrtle Beach area because they have a horse farm that boards 30 horses. They can't evacuate the horses, and they don't want to leave them to fend for themselves. Oh my! Praying they are all okay including the precious horses!
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Sept 15, 2018 10:44:53 GMT
Senator Tim Scott of SC addressed this very issue in his comments about the hurricane. It's a very complicated issue for many people.
The news media tends to interview those stubborn, braggadocios people who stay. They are less less to tell the story of the others who stay for all those complicated reasons.
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 15, 2018 11:26:06 GMT
I'm a person who would leave. I have a carrier for each of my animals, plus cages that will hold my chickens and a vehicle large enough to transport them all.
Florida Facebook friends say they will never evacuate because they have too many animals. I'm the sort of person who feels a responsibility to provide safe transportation for every living creature under my roof.
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Post by Linda on Sept 15, 2018 13:01:22 GMT
we evacuated once - ended up in a motel that lost power/water longer than our house did. That was 2004 the year we had 3 hurricanes come through our area - we stayed home for the next one.
We're far enough inland that flooding tends to be a bigger issue than wind - our area flooded badly when TS Debbie sat over us and poured rain down for days. Our house is high enough that while the roads and our front yard flooded - the house didn't and nor did the well. We're in a mobile home though so the authorities usually suggest evacuating for even Tropical Storms.
We would go for a mandatory evacuation but not for a voluntary at this point - money is a factor, so are the SIX cats (2 of whom are elderly - 15 and 16), and we have no local family. Our area tends to be an evacuation destination or waypoint (we're at the junction of a N/S and a E/W interstate and one of the only ways out of the state) so traffic tends to gridlock, one of the interstates tends to flood near us, and gas ran out last year before Irma. By the time they were evacuating near us - there was no gas and the interstates were gridlocked by the folks from further south and the coast - there was no where TO go (and the local shelters were full and not open to pets)
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 15, 2018 13:15:36 GMT
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experiences.
I just can't imagine. As my girlfriend said.....here during winter we stay inside, during tornadoes we go to the basement. We just stay in our homes. Where hurricanes hit those who live in those areas have to leave their homes.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 15, 2018 18:09:46 GMT
It's a very complicated issue for many people. The news media tends to interview those stubborn, braggadocios people who stay. They are less less to tell the story of the others who stay for all those complicated reasons. For sure. we evacuated once - ended up in a motel that lost power/water longer than our house did. That was 2004 the year we had 3 hurricanes come through our area - we stayed home for the next one. We're far enough inland that flooding tends to be a bigger issue than wind - our area flooded badly when TS Debbie sat over us and poured rain down for days. Our house is high enough that while the roads and our front yard flooded - the house didn't and nor did the well. We're in a mobile home though so the authorities usually suggest evacuating for even Tropical Storms. We would go for a mandatory evacuation but not for a voluntary at this point - money is a factor, so are the SIX cats (2 of whom are elderly - 15 and 16), and we have no local family. Our area tends to be an evacuation destination or waypoint (we're at the junction of a N/S and a E/W interstate and one of the only ways out of the state) so traffic tends to gridlock, one of the interstates tends to flood near us, and gas ran out last year before Irma. By the time they were evacuating near us - there was no gas and the interstates were gridlocked by the folks from further south and the coast - there was no where TO go (and the local shelters were full and not open to pets) I have been in mobile homes that were very, very nice. They can be an excellent choice for a home. They are also dangerous places to be in high winds, as I'm sure you are more than well aware and a major consideration in your decision each storm. If the decision was between staying in a relatively safe home vs the horror of the gridlocked road during a storm without the wind danger, I can honestly say that I might very well make the choice to stay back as well. Rescue would then be for reasons that would include downed trees, illness, accident, or possible flooding and most likely not needed during the most dangerous times of a storm when rescue can't go out. Are you to be denied help solely because you made an informed decision and opted for what you hoped was your best option? Experience makes a tremendous difference here. If you have ever been trapped in traffic on a highway that is lined with cars that have run out of gas and there is neither food nor gas to be found while a monster hurricane barrels directly towards your back, you are going to have a far different understanding of what evacuation may involve than someone who's sitting at home in their nice, dry, safe home. People die on the road every day. You aren't suddenly safe just because there is danger elsewhere. It becomes something you must consider in your decision - how and when you can most safely make it through a storm of any level.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 15, 2018 18:28:24 GMT
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experiences. I just can't imagine. As my girlfriend said.....here during winter we stay inside, during tornadoes we go to the basement. We just stay in our homes. Where hurricanes hit those who live in those areas have to leave their homes. And you face many unknown dangers when you do that in evacuation. I'm in full support of people evacuating when warranted. It is sometimes difficult for people to fully understand just how dire a situation will become, though. And other times, either there's no way to know beforehand, or the window to leave shuts too soon. Right now, there are mandatory evacuations for catastrophic flooding. These areas WILL flood. The water WILL rise. The danger is imminent and real. Whomever is reading this thread that is in a danger zone, take heed now and get to higher ground. Now. Go now. Don't wait until the 7:30 curfew to begin thinking about it, because you may think that you'll have to wait until morning then and that could be too late. BREAK CURFEW if you need to evacuate during that time; just stick to your business and get yourself to a shelter at higher ground. Don't forget your elderly and infirm neighbors who may need help leaving.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 15, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
My mother lives in a very old mobile home in coastal NC half a mile from Bogue Sound. She did not evacuate even though I offered to fund the entire evacuation. None of her neighborhood evacuated either. Power came back on this morning for her and the only “damage” are dead branches in her yard. No flooding. She was in the 9-13” storm surge area about 7 miles southwest of downtown Morehead City.
And this is the reason she didn’t evacuate. After 40 years of living there, they have never flooded in her neighborhood. They hear the horror stories of people who get stuck on the road or can’t get back after the storm to cleanup. Personally I would have evacuated, but I have the financial means to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 5:46:33 GMT
No cost. But it there is a mandatory evacuation and you do not leave you are on your own during the Hurricane. The beaches close the bridges with military trucks and if you stay you are stuck. Now with the flash flood they have been going out like crazy once the Hurricane force winds passed. I believe it was above 40 mph. They have saved close to 800 as of tonight in NHC.
If you choose to not head a mandatory evacuation you not only put your life in danger but the Emergency responders life in danger. If we had been told to leave we would have. Hubby would have went and stayed at the Detective division.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 18, 2018 10:12:44 GMT
If you choose to not head a mandatory evacuation you not only put your life in danger but the Emergency responders life in danger. That's the one message that really needs to be emphasized more.
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