AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 26, 2018 13:54:57 GMT
I had skirted that issue, but he attended a Catholic HS. Was his earlier schooling all Catholic school until Yale? Alter boy? THAT could have been a problem... Some of the most revolting people I’ve known attended Catholic schools. Not only that, but I knew kids in **grade school** who were already drinking to get drunk and doing drugs so it isn’t much of a stretch to imagine they did other things too. The alter boy/choir boy references are a total joke. It’s possible for someone to be an alter boy AND a total creep, they are not always mutually exclusive. Yeah, I would more easily believe that he was just a victim of that special brand of Catholic boys’ high school hubris than speculate that he was abused by a priest. (No, I don’t know. And no, not all boys who attend Catholic prep schools were/are like this, but I’ve seen my share of this flavor of this particular entitlement and how it combines with binge drinking.)
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 26, 2018 14:31:46 GMT
Some of the most revolting people I’ve known attended Catholic schools. Not only that, but I knew kids in **grade school** who were already drinking to get drunk and doing drugs so it isn’t much of a stretch to imagine they did other things too. The alter boy/choir boy references are a total joke. It’s possible for someone to be an alter boy AND a total creep, they are not always mutually exclusive. Yeah, I would more easily believe that he was just a victim of that special brand of Catholic boys’ high school hubris than speculate that he was abused by a priest. (No, I don’t know. And no, not all boys who attend Catholic prep schools were/are like this, but I’ve seen my share of this flavor of this particular entitlement and how it combines with binge drinking.) I went to a Catholic school as a scholarship kid with no family money. In my experience it’s that special mix of having access to too much money, too little direct parental supervison, the easy availability of alcohol and sometimes drugs and an overblown sense of entitlement that combines to create a special version of @sshole. Of course not all kids end up like that, but I saw plenty that did. And it’s not just private school kids either, it’s *any* school where the predominant demographic is upper class. I went to an inner city high school, and after I graduated my mom moved us out to the suburbs. I worked at a restaurant that was popular with the suburban high school kids after football games, etc. I couldn’t believe how many of those kids would come in after the games totally drunk or high, driving new cars and flashing around big wads of money. They were the same kind of entitled kids I went to grade school with. It was insane and I had to wonder just how out of touch a parent had to be to not realize all the crap those kids were into.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 15:03:27 GMT
After reading his own yearbook entry at graduation, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Not to mention that he has male *friends* who have currently publicly stated that he was fall down drunk. Kavanaugh lies.
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Post by coffeetalk on Sept 26, 2018 15:16:03 GMT
In the early 70s, I attended the only Catholic HS in our mid-sized city. Drug and alcohol use was rampant amongst the jocks and wealthy kids (some started in grade school.) In fact, it was so out of control that off duty police and firemen were hired to surveil during school hours and at football games. I don't remember exactly how this came to be as the predominantly religious staff seemed naive and/or turned a blind eye to it and the behavior continued. There were girls who left for extended ''vacations'', ruined reputations and plenty of innuendo mostly due the culture of the wealthy jocks who seemed to face no consequences.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 15:16:48 GMT
I had skirted that issue, but he attended a Catholic HS. Was his earlier schooling all Catholic school until Yale? Alter boy? THAT could have been a problem... Some of the most revolting people I’ve known attended Catholic schools. Not only that, but I knew kids in **grade school** who were already drinking to get drunk and doing drugs so it isn’t much of a stretch to imagine they did other things too. The alter boy/choir boy references are a total joke. It’s possible for someone to be an alter boy AND a total creep, they are not always mutually exclusive. Same here. I am first hand familiar of at least 3 boys in Catholic school who tortured animals and grew up to be asshole bullies and abusers. I know both boys and girls from Catholic school who were sneaky, seasoned liars, drinkers, promiscuous and then totally different around adults. In college one year my roommate was a “born again Christian” who had the loosest morals, drunk every weekend, actually caused an accident on the highway (side swiped a car sending it spinning causing more damage to others) when she came home and told me about it, I made her call the police and turn herself in. (She would not have otherwise) I heard from her parents about how me making her turn herself in (do the right thing) was going to ruin her life—she was already an accomplished singer/recording artist (for Christian music nevertheless!!) Teens act differently as teens because even when told/warned, they never believe what they do as teens will affect them in their adult life. With some of the Catholic and prep schools I’ve seen parents beg, plead, pay, offer big $$$ donations “to save their snowflakes” from life’s ruin, when both kid and parents they feel they did nothing wrong or no big deal. I suspect the same was going on back in the 80’s too.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 15:28:47 GMT
With some of the Catholic and prep schools I’ve seen parents beg, plead, pay, offer big $$$ donations “to save their snowflakes” from life’s ruin, when both kid and parents they feel they did nothing wrong or no big deal. I suspect the same was going on back in the 80’s too. Not so different when I was in school years before you! Although more recently, think 'afluenza' kid who killed 4(?) while drunk driving.............
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suzastampin
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 26, 2018 15:44:51 GMT
Around here it’s well known that if a student gets kicked out of public school the catholic schools will open their arms for them.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:07:26 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was one of your sons in Kavanaugh's position whether you'd be so quick to presume his guilt.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 16:13:12 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was one of your sons in Kavanaugh's position whether you'd be so quick to presume his guilt. Can't help but wonder. If it was your daughter or your granddaughter in Ford's position whether you'd be so quick to presume her dishonesty.
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carhoch
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Jun 28, 2014 21:46:39 GMT
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Post by carhoch on Sept 26, 2018 16:16:20 GMT
I think that Kavanaugh is done « Stick a fork in it done »
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 26, 2018 16:19:44 GMT
I think that Kavanaugh is done « Stick a fork in it done » Oh, I hope so... I really hope so. But the Republican leadership is pushing him SOOOO hard, I wonder if they just feel like they're too far in, now, to give up on him.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was one of your sons in Kavanaugh's position whether you'd be so quick to presume his guilt. Can't help but wonder. If it was your daughter or your granddaughter in Ford's position whether you'd be so quick to presume her dishonesty. I don't have a granddaughter. But if it was one of my three daughters, I would hope she would not have waited 35 years to say anything. I'd have encouraged her to speak out right when it happened.
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Post by gar on Sept 26, 2018 16:21:40 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was your daughter or your granddaughter in Ford's position whether you'd be so quick to presume her dishonesty. I don't have a granddaughter. But if it was one of my three daughters, I would hope she would not have waited 35 years to say anything. I'd have encouraged her to speak out right when it happened. That’s assuming you knew.
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Nink
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Post by Nink on Sept 26, 2018 16:23:55 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was your daughter or your granddaughter in Ford's position whether you'd be so quick to presume her dishonesty. I don't have a granddaughter. But if it was one of my three daughters, I would hope she would not have waited 35 years to say anything. I'd have encouraged her to speak out right when it happened. Speak out to who? When it happened to me I did speak out...nothing happened to the bastard and life went on. But you can damn well bet if years down the road he was trying to get in a position that required morals and integrity I’d have spoken up....again!
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:24:21 GMT
Well, duh. However, I have always had a very close relationship with all three of my girls and I'mm confident they would have told me; especially my youngest.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:25:42 GMT
I notice everyone has twisted the question to "what if it was your daughter". Not surprising that not one of you has responded to whether you'd automatically presume your son is guilty if an accusation was made. Maybe because you know the answer is you'd believe your son and not the accuser. Why is it that non-related males to you (especially non-liberal males) are not afforded the same?
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Post by gar on Sept 26, 2018 16:27:59 GMT
Well, duh. However, I have always had a very close relationship with all three of my girls and I'mm confident they would have told me; especially my youngest. A lot of the women on here who have been hideously assaulted have said they were too too traumatised to tell anyone so your ‘Duh’ is redundant.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 16:28:19 GMT
Speak out to who? When it happened to me I did speak out...nothing happened to the bastard and life went on. But you can damn well bet if years down the road he was trying to get in a position that required morals and integrity I’d have spoken up....again! ((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:29:15 GMT
So gar? Do you have a son? If so, why don't you answer my question. If a woman came forward and accused your son of sexual harrassment, sexual assault or rape, would you immediately believe her and consider your son guilty?
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Nink
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Post by Nink on Sept 26, 2018 16:29:48 GMT
Well, duh. However, I have always had a very close relationship with all three of my girls and I'mm confident they would have told me; especially my youngest. Let’s see...I told the principal, I told my parents and they in turn told the church pastor of the Christian school I was attending. The guy barely got a talking to and kept his job. So fuck off with your holier than thou bullshit.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 26, 2018 16:30:50 GMT
i hope i'm not repeating any of the above posters since i haven't read through everything but his virginity is not the issue. no one is accusing him of penetration or sex. you can be a virgin and expose yourself to someone. you can be a virgin and grope or grind on someone. his virginity is not the issue.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:31:32 GMT
I'm really sorry that you went through that. But that doesn't make every accuser a truth teller and every guy she accuses guilty.
The Duke football team players accuser never faced any criminal charges at all. Nor did Tawana Brawley. Nor have I ever seen a woman who made false accusations charged. So despite what you think of my holier than thou attitude, I'm not going to jump on the "if a woman claims it happened, it did" bandwagon.
And as far as your situation, did anyone tell the police? Was an investigation held? A trial? What physical evidence was there? What evidence at all was there? I'm not saying you were lying but why should somebody lose their job just on another's claim that something happened?
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Post by gar on Sept 26, 2018 16:37:01 GMT
So gar? Do you have a son? If so, why don't you answer my question. If a woman came forward and accused your son of sexual harrassment, sexual assault or rape, would you immediately believe her and consider your son guilty? I don’t but I would damn well want to get to the truth.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:39:31 GMT
So gar? Do you have a son? If so, why don't you answer my question. If a woman came forward and accused your son of sexual harrassment, sexual assault or rape, would you immediately believe her and consider your son guilty? I don’t but I would damn well want to get to the truth. That's not an answer. Of course you'd want to get to the truth. But up until the "truth" was established, would you believe your son when he said he didn't do it or the woman who said he did? It's rhetorical because if you or anyone else here claims they'd believe the accuser, I'd say bullsh*t. And the reason no one here is responding to my question is because they know damn well they'd believe their son and not the accuser.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 26, 2018 16:45:45 GMT
Can't help but wonder. If it was your daughter or your granddaughter in Ford's position whether you'd be so quick to presume her dishonesty. I don't have a granddaughter. But if it was one of my three daughters, I would hope she would not have waited 35 years to say anything. I'd have encouraged her to speak out right when it happened. Have you asked any of your daughters if they have ever been assaulted? Statistically, there is a good chance one of them has been. And more likely by a "friend". If your daughters hear you dismissing the women coming forward in this case, it's hard to believe they would share the event with you back then or now. Take a look at the #WhyIDidn'tReport on SM and you'll see the same story over and over again.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 16:46:29 GMT
With some of the Catholic and prep schools I’ve seen parents beg, plead, pay, offer big $$$ donations “to save their snowflakes” from life’s ruin, when both kid and parents they feel they did nothing wrong or no big deal. I suspect the same was going on back in the 80’s too. Not so different when I was in school years before you! Although more recently, think 'afluenza' kid who killed 4(?) while drunk driving............. A slight difference is that things stay recorded now, lots more evidence and footprints. Plus, some of these families now are more entitled in their thinking and actions.
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Post by gar on Sept 26, 2018 16:48:06 GMT
I don’t think you answered either then. Of course my instinct would be to believe my child of whatever gender, but I would move heaven and earth to get to the truth so that either they were vindicated or held responsible for their behaviour.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:49:19 GMT
I don't have a granddaughter. But if it was one of my three daughters, I would hope she would not have waited 35 years to say anything. I'd have encouraged her to speak out right when it happened. Have you asked any of your daughters if they have ever been assaulted? Statistically, there is a good chance one of them has been. And more likely by a "friend". If your daughters hear you dismissing the women coming forward in this case, it's hard to believe they would share the event with you back then or now. Take a look at the #WhyIDidn'tReport on SM and you'll see the same story over and over again. My daughters and I have had a number of conversations about this allegation and about how they would have responded if what this woman claims happened, happened to them. So yes, we have discussed whether they'd ever been assaulted and yes, they'd come to me. I know that bothers you but even right-wing women can have close relationships with other women.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:51:10 GMT
I don’t think you answered either then. Of course my instinct would be to believe my child of whatever gender, but I would move heaven and earth to get to the truth so that either they were vindicated or held responsible for their behaviour. Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story.
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Post by thundergal on Sept 26, 2018 16:51:23 GMT
The newest Kavanaugh victim's statement made me sick to my stomach but does not surprise me at all. Avenatti's Client
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