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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 16:51:24 GMT
People have discussed on other threads what they would say/do if it was their son being accused. on other threads, trolls just choose to ignore it.
Plus, EVERY SINGLE PEA HERE knows the trolls are not here to have pleasant conversation. They always resort to bashing people who don’t agree with them.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 26, 2018 16:51:54 GMT
I don’t but I would damn well want to get to the truth. That's not an answer. Of course you'd want to get to the truth. But up until the "truth" was established, would you believe your son when he said he didn't do it or the woman who said he did? It's rhetorical because if you or anyone else here claims they'd believe the accuser, I'd say bullsh*t. And the reason no one here is responding to my question is because they know damn well they'd believe their son and not the accuser. Nobody is asking Kavanaugh's mom to come forward and say she doesn't believe him. What on earth is your point?
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 16:52:57 GMT
That's not an answer. Of course you'd want to get to the truth. But up until the "truth" was established, would you believe your son when he said he didn't do it or the woman who said he did? It's rhetorical because if you or anyone else here claims they'd believe the accuser, I'd say bullsh*t. And the reason no one here is responding to my question is because they know damn well they'd believe their son and not the accuser. Nobody is asking Kavanaugh's mom to come forward and say she doesn't believe him. What on earth is your point? Really? Come on, I know you're not *that* stupid. Figure it out.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 16:54:11 GMT
That's not an answer. Of course you'd want to get to the truth. But up until the "truth" was established, would you believe your son when he said he didn't do it or the woman who said he did? It's rhetorical because if you or anyone else here claims they'd believe the accuser, I'd say bullsh*t. And the reason no one here is responding to my question is because they know damn well they'd believe their son and not the accuser. Nobody is asking Kavanaugh's mom to come forward and say she doesn't believe him. What on earth is your point? ALWAYS TO DISTRACT AND DEFLECT.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 26, 2018 16:54:16 GMT
Have you asked any of your daughters if they have ever been assaulted? Statistically, there is a good chance one of them has been. And more likely by a "friend". If your daughters hear you dismissing the women coming forward in this case, it's hard to believe they would share the event with you back then or now. Take a look at the #WhyIDidn'tReport on SM and you'll see the same story over and over again. My daughters and I have had a number of conversations about this allegation and about how they would have responded if what this woman claims happened, happened to them. So yes, we have discussed whether they'd ever been assaulted and yes, they'd come to me. I know that bothers you but even right-wing women can have close relationships with other women. Kind of confused by the bolded? #WhyIDidn'tReport is blind to political leaning/race/gender/economic level
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 16:55:58 GMT
Hmmmmm.
If President Obama would have been accused of ANY sexual assault or aggressive behavior, the Republicans and conservatives would have burnt the White House down and hung him from a tree.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 26, 2018 16:56:27 GMT
I don’t think you answered either then. Of course my instinct would be to believe my child of whatever gender, but I would move heaven and earth to get to the truth so that either they were vindicated or held responsible for their behaviour. Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. I think you've missed the point the Kavanaugh's reluctance to call for a credible investigation is what is being condemned by most. He is relying on his elite, white male privilege creds to bully his way past the accusations. IMHO
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Post by gar on Sept 26, 2018 16:56:57 GMT
I don’t think you answered either then. Of course my instinct would be to believe my child of whatever gender, but I would move heaven and earth to get to the truth so that either they were vindicated or held responsible for their behaviour. Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. Oh well, if you say so it must be true.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:00:20 GMT
Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. Oh well, if you say so it must be true. In other words, you won't agree with me, not because what I'm saying isn't true but because you just won't agree with me no matter what. Typical.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 26, 2018 17:00:29 GMT
she does say she became the victim of one of the gang rapes where Kavanaugh and Judge were present. Does that mean they both did rape her, along with the other guys? It could be taken either way, I would think.
The most important statement is this one, I think: "I am aware of other witnesses that can attest to the truthfulness of EACH of the statements above."
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 26, 2018 17:01:13 GMT
And as far as your situation, did anyone tell the police? Was an investigation held? A trial? What physical evidence was there? What evidence at all was there? I'm not saying you were lying but why should somebody lose their job just on another's claim that something happened? I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:01:28 GMT
My daughters and I have had a number of conversations about this allegation and about how they would have responded if what this woman claims happened, happened to them. So yes, we have discussed whether they'd ever been assaulted and yes, they'd come to me. I know that bothers you but even right-wing women can have close relationships with other women. Kind of confused by the bolded? #WhyIDidn'tReport is blind to political leaning/race/gender/economic level Because the perception I get from women here is that you have to believe the left wing, feminist point of view or else you can't possibly have positive relationships with other women.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:02:57 GMT
And as far as your situation, did anyone tell the police? Was an investigation held? A trial? What physical evidence was there? What evidence at all was there? I'm not saying you were lying but why should somebody lose their job just on another's claim that something happened? I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. I'm sorry for what you went through. As for "you think you know, but you don't", believe me, I understand. I go through people thinking they know who I am here every day.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:03:55 GMT
And as far as your situation, did anyone tell the police? Was an investigation held? A trial? What physical evidence was there? What evidence at all was there? I'm not saying you were lying but why should somebody lose their job just on another's claim that something happened? I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. Serious question, when you say you were "shredded", what do you mean? The defense attorney went after you? That's his job. Was the guy convicted?
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 17:06:48 GMT
I don’t think you answered either then. Of course my instinct would be to believe my child of whatever gender, but I would move heaven and earth to get to the truth so that either they were vindicated or held responsible for their behaviour. Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. Of course you don't have a granddaughter 😉 You know, if one accusation was made against one of my sons, I'd be inclined to believe him. Because of course I would. I'd hope I would know enough of my son's character to unquestioningly believe him. If several women came forward and a pattern of abuse/violence emerged, I would be heartbroken. For the victims and for all of us who would have to come to terms with my son's behavior.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 26, 2018 17:07:35 GMT
Kind of confused by the bolded? #WhyIDidn'tReport is blind to political leaning/race/gender/economic level Because the perception I get from women here is that you have to believe the left wing, feminist point of view or else you can't possibly have positive relationships with other women. I have never, ever had that impression. I've always thought most of the conservative voices on this board had positive relationships with each other. There are many "mixed" positive relationships on this board as well, where left and right leaning posters can and do get along in a positive way and offer support and encouragement regularly.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:08:45 GMT
Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. Of course you don't have a granddaughter 😉 You know, if one accusation was made against one of my sons, I'd be inclined to believe him. If several women came forward and a pattern of abuse/violence emerged, I would be heartbroken. For the victims and for all of us who would have to come to terms with our son's behavior. What is it with you and you interest in my family composition. Give it a rest. You're scary already.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 17:09:14 GMT
Kind of confused by the bolded? #WhyIDidn'tReport is blind to political leaning/race/gender/economic level Because the perception I get from women here is that you have to believe the left wing, feminist point of view or else you can't possibly have positive relationships with other women. You are definitely the arbiter of positive female friendships 😂
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:09:17 GMT
Because the perception I get from women here is that you have to believe the left wing, feminist point of view or else you can't possibly have positive relationships with other women. I have never, ever had that impression. I've always thought most of the conservation voices on this board had positive relationships with each other. There are many "mixed" positive relationships on this board as well, where left and right leaning posters can and do get along in a positive way and offer support and encouragement regularly. We have different perceptions.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 17:10:19 GMT
Because the perception I get from women here is that you have to believe the left wing, feminist point of view or else you can't possibly have positive relationships with other women. You are definitely the arbiter of positive female friendships 😂 C ompared to what I see here about the relationships many have with their family and friends, you're right. I am. Or are you going to question now whether I have daughters?
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 17:14:48 GMT
I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. I'm sorry for what you went through. As for "you think you know, but you don't", believe me, I understand. I go through people thinking they know who I am here every day. Did you really just compare being violently assaulted and then attacked in court, to being called out for being your patently awful self?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 17:17:08 GMT
Flake to speak on Sen Floor NOW about this mess
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 17:23:10 GMT
Of course you don't have a granddaughter 😉 You know, if one accusation was made against one of my sons, I'd be inclined to believe him. If several women came forward and a pattern of abuse/violence emerged, I would be heartbroken. For the victims and for all of us who would have to come to terms with our son's behavior. What is it with you and you interest in my family composition. Give it a rest. You're scary already. I couldn't care less about your family, you sad little troll. The mention of daughters and granddaughters was kind of relevant to your asshole point that Brett Kavanaugh is the victim in all this. Don't try to twist my certainty that you are Lauren into some "scary" obsession with your pathetic life. Your story is the same as it ever was: miserable and lonely. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that a person who made a living as a second rate attorney is defending rapists.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2018 17:28:06 GMT
she does say she became the victim of one of the gang rapes where Kavanaugh and Judge were present. Does that mean they both did rape her, along with the other guys? It could be taken either way, I would think. The most important statement is this one, I think: "I am aware of other witnesses that can attest to the truthfulness of EACH of the statements above." Right. But she does say that girls were drugged so that is another level of assault! I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. Again I am so very sorry you have gone through both assaults, his and the court's. ((((((((((HUGS)))))))))) You are a SURVIVOR!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2018 17:59:23 GMT
And as far as your situation, did anyone tell the police? Was an investigation held? A trial? What physical evidence was there? What evidence at all was there? I'm not saying you were lying but why should somebody lose their job just on another's claim that something happened? I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. I am so very sorry. I will say that I would not give that bitch lauren/lovetocolor any more details of your trama so that she can throw them back at you at another time---which she always ends up doing. Tread carefully. She has already shown us who she is regarding sexual assaults on women, she will be vile towards you.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 18:03:00 GMT
Rhetoric. In the end, you'd believe your child especially in an she-said; he-said scenario. We all would. And that's my point. You're all very quick to condemn Kavanaugh just because an allegation was made but only because he's not related to you. If he was, different story. I think you've missed the point the Kavanaugh's reluctance to call for a credible investigation is what is being condemned by most. He is relying on his elite, white male privilege creds to bully his way past the accusations. IMHO No, he's relying on the fact that this is not a criminal trial. If she wanted one, she would have gone to the police. She is lying on the idea that people will immediately believe women who cry sex abuse or rape to smear him. IMHO
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 26, 2018 18:04:22 GMT
I'm sorry for what you went through. As for "you think you know, but you don't", believe me, I understand. I go through people thinking they know who I am here every day. Did you really just compare being violently assaulted and then attacked in court, to being called out for being your patently awful self? Bite me. You're just here to try to provoke and poke. So, like that other lunatic, papercrafteradvocator, I'm putting you on ignore. Rant away to hearts content. I choose no longer to engage with you.
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Post by mustlovecats on Sept 26, 2018 18:10:09 GMT
I told. I spent 8 days in the hospital. My parents, my college, law enforcement, prosecutor, all discouraged me from pressing charges. I went to trial and I was shredded. It remains the most traumatic experience of my life. That was in the 70's, and I know, because I worked in that system, that it had not improved in the 80's. That is why many didn't/don't tell. But keep your blinders on. You think you know, but you don't. I'm sorry for what you went through. As for "you think you know, but you don't", believe me, I understand. I go through people thinking they know who I am here every day. because having some people be shitty on a message board you choose to go to is totally like having your character assassinated after reporting a sexual assault
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Post by inkedup on Sept 26, 2018 18:10:53 GMT
Did you really just compare being violently assaulted and then attacked in court, to being called out for being your patently awful self? Bite me. You're just here to try to provoke and poke. So, like that other lunatic, papercrafteradvocator, I'm putting you on ignore. Rant away to hearts content. I choose no longer to engage with you. You don't need to answer my question. It was rhetorical. Anyone who can read can see that the answer to my question is yes. I thought your incessant attacks on women who report sexual assault were gross. I thought your defense of rapists was even worse. But this was a new low, even for you. PS: I think this is the third or fourth time you've put me on ignore. I hope it works this time. I really do.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 26, 2018 18:14:56 GMT
Well, duh. However, I have always had a very close relationship with all three of my girls and I'mm confident they would have told me; especially my youngest. I have two friends who did not tell their moms and they both were very close to their moms. They didn't want her to see them differently. I had a physical attack from a guy and I fought back and hurt him. I never told my mom. I could not have been closer, but I didn't want her to worry about me in college. Dumbest thing I ever did was not talk to the DA about him when he was being prosecuted for a different assault.
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