Jili
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Post by Jili on Feb 14, 2019 20:41:20 GMT
I haven't listened to this episode yet. I'll get to it over the weekend. I think that with Steve and Michael both dead, there's really no one else who knows anything that would help find Susan. There are two sibling possibilities-- John and Alina, but I just can't see Josh confiding in either of them. I used to think that perhaps Steve knew something. As gross as it is, I had also wondered if Josh had perhaps given Steve access to her after her death (I'm saying that delicately). The more I think about it, though, the less I think that. Steve was so obsessed with Susan that I can't even imagine that he would have been capable of keeping his mouth shut if he knew something. He'd be talking, writing songs, etc. and would have given something away. Michael, on the other hand, knew everything. I didn’t put that together. They never found Susan because they were looking in the wrong place. Josh met Michael somewhere and handed off the body. Not being a suspect, he could be gone as long as it took. So, their area to look for her was probably way off. (I forget what was said about Michael’s where abouts at the time of Susan’s disappearance.) I think you are right.
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Post by FurryP on Feb 15, 2019 22:04:12 GMT
I didn’t put that together. They never found Susan because they were looking in the wrong place. Josh met Michael somewhere and handed off the body. Yep, like somewhere 800 miles round-trip away. That is why the cadaver sniffing dog stopped right at Michael's car at that junk yard shop. What cowards the both of them!!! Suicide was the easy way out.
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Post by MsKnit on Feb 16, 2019 2:23:50 GMT
I didn’t put that together. They never found Susan because they were looking in the wrong place. Josh met Michael somewhere and handed off the body. Yep, like somewhere 800 miles round-trip away. That is why the cadaver sniffing dog stopped right at Michael's car at that junk yard shop. What cowards the both of them!!! Suicide was the easy way out. Wonder if she was found and buried somewhere as a Jane Doe?
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Post by cinderella on Feb 16, 2019 5:07:36 GMT
Going back to the comment about Susan's sisters... Do you guys think maybe because Chuck & Judy and Jennifer were already followed by the media they knew it would protect the rest of the family to keep themselves as the only links to the boys?
I just listened to the latest episode tonight. I am angry!!! That 911 operator only received a written reprimand!!! Seriously!!! Two children brutally lost their lives. Maybe there's more information in the next episode but I feel completely frustrated at the lack of responsibility!
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Post by Katie on Feb 16, 2019 12:42:27 GMT
That 911 operator...when have you EVER heard a 911 call where the operator asked for the DOB?!! Seriously, what a moron. Can’t believe he only received a written warning.
I had no idea Steven and Michael were both dead. Wow. That makes it pretty apparent Michael had her body in the trunk of that car.
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Post by MaryMary on Feb 21, 2019 19:01:39 GMT
So, explain to me how Michael ended up with Susan’s body ... did Josh hide her body and go off on the “camping trip” for no reason? He didn’t actually dump her in the west desert? And then he arranged with Michael to hide her body somewhere? I thought Michael was in Washington state when she disappeared, did he leave and go to Utah during that first week when Josh wasn’t being tracked?
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Post by naby64 on Feb 21, 2019 20:17:07 GMT
So, explain to me how Michael ended up with Susan’s body ... did Josh hide her body and go off on the “camping trip” for no reason? He didn’t actually dump her in the west desert? And then he arranged with Michael to hide her body somewhere? I thought Michael was in Washington state when she disappeared, did he leave and go to Utah during that first week when Josh wasn’t being tracked? I, of course, don't have all the answers, if any. I just finished this up this past Sunday on my trip home from DDs. I think the hand-off was made when he had a rental car and had disappeared for some hours. Right after the release from the police dept. Can't remember the episode number. But they figured a radius from the time length that he was gone. I think, in my little corner of the police investigation, that he met up with Michael and handed off the body. Sort of a meet half way kind of thing. If someone remembers something else that was said, jump in. I just can't remember if something else was mentioned or not.
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 22, 2019 6:49:37 GMT
I, of course, don't have all the answers, if any. I just finished this up this past Sunday on my trip home from DDs. They released another episode yesterday that goes into things a bit more with Michael. You're not finished.
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Post by KelleeM on Feb 22, 2019 9:03:58 GMT
As much as I love independent podcasts, podcasts like Cold, with big budgets and teams of reporters are absolutely amazing. I hate this story but am so happy that they’ve done such a great job telling it. I didn’t know Michael committed suicide until listening yesterday. Apparently I need to Google Steve now.
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Post by naby64 on Feb 22, 2019 14:47:45 GMT
I, of course, don't have all the answers, if any. I just finished this up this past Sunday on my trip home from DDs. They released another episode yesterday that goes into things a bit more with Michael. You're not finished. Good!! I saw that there was a new episode. While this whole thing has been infuriating to listen to and so weird at times(looking at you Steve), I was so sad when it was over. I hate there is no resolution to the disappearance of Susan and where she is.
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Post by jloubier on Feb 25, 2019 15:58:39 GMT
I just finished listening to the last 2 podcast. What a sad, sad story all around. In a lot of ways what has struck me throughout the podcast is, I hate to say this, how smart Josh was. The police tried every which way to entrap him but were never successful. He seemed to always be a step ahead. The police never really found DNA, never found the body, wire taps led nowhere, his computer messages were encrypted,...not one false move it seems. He even planned the murder/suicide right down to a t. It was sad to hear Alina's call to the 911 operator. You could tell how much she was concerned about her brother. I really wonder if the police had backed off, watched him for afar, if he eventually would have made the one mistake they needed to finally catch him. The boys might still be alive. These stories have wide repercussions. We might never know what Michael's involvement was but, we know he wasn't the one who killed Susan and yet, he ended up killing himself over it. Sad, just sad.
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MaryMary
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Post by MaryMary on Feb 27, 2019 23:32:48 GMT
Is it just me or was the latest episode completely pointless?
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Post by Elsabelle on Feb 28, 2019 1:57:19 GMT
Is it just me or was the latest episode completely pointless? Not just you. I zoned out during the jailbird/stripper part.
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Post by candygurl on Feb 28, 2019 13:27:36 GMT
I just listened to the episode of the explosion. I seriously kept putting it off despite how much I liked listening to this podcast. I too am seriously alarmed at the dispatcher and was like wtf just call the police/fire department. And why did it take 22 min to get there? I have a few more episodes to get through and will be bummed when it’s over. Is there a dateline or 20/20 show on this? When it was going on I had no idea and would love to see a piece on it.
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Post by mom26 on Feb 28, 2019 13:51:42 GMT
I just listened to the episode of the explosion. I seriously kept putting it off despite how much I liked listening to this podcast. I too am seriously alarmed at the dispatcher and was like wtf just call the police/fire department. And why did it take 22 min to get there? I have a few more episodes to get through and will be bummed when it’s over. Is there a dateline or 20/20 show on this? When it was going on I had no idea and would love to see a piece on it. (Note, for some reason the video wants to start in the middle. I tried to fix it a couple of times.)
Dateline 20/20: Sins of the Father
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Post by scrapcat on Feb 28, 2019 18:54:19 GMT
Is it just me or was the latest episode completely pointless? Not just you. I zoned out during the jailbird/stripper part. Agreed. My take is that they are just trying to go back and give some background on other leads of the investigation. Obvi, hindsight is 20/20, but in the moment they were dealing with a lot of theories and no evidence to follow. Also, not sure if they were trying to make the point that she could've been buried anywhere due to all the movement of Josh and his brother and how they didn't really catch up to that part until much later. I think it's a stark reminder that IRL it doesn't work like law&order. It's much harder, longer, slower...
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Post by MaryMary on Feb 28, 2019 18:58:24 GMT
Oh gosh, that poor caseworker.
And I guess it only just occurred to me that while Josh had attacked his boys with the hatchet, he didn’t try to kill himself in anyway before lighting the fire... so he just burned alive. I never really thought in depth about that part. It seems like an odd choice, I guess. I mean, he totally deserved all the pain he got but I’m just surprised, I guess.
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 28, 2019 19:06:01 GMT
I thought the ‘leads’ episode was interesting. Imagine being a detective and dealing with these people. You don’t know if they are telling the truth or looking for something. Can you imagine the amount of leads and the ensuing costs of tons of money and time. All basically wasted.
At this point, I think Susan was just as bizarre as Josh and the rest of the Powell family.
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Post by Elsabelle on Feb 28, 2019 23:10:51 GMT
At this point, I think Susan was just as bizarre as Josh and the rest of the Powell family. Up until the last episode I thought Susan was simply naive. Extremely naive as in Abducted In Plain Sight naive. But after hearing about her openness about personal things with coworkers and the flirting and her work husband I don't think she was simply naive. Bizarre is probably the best word to describe the whole thing. Honestly, how could a woman think it would be OK to talk to men at work about her sexual dreams and then ask one of them if he thought she was a flirt as if she really didn't know? Maybe it's a combination of naivete and being starved of affection and attention in her marriage. I don't know.
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Post by MaryPea on Mar 6, 2019 23:23:11 GMT
I just discovered the podcast "Maddie" ... y'all might be interested too. It's about the case of Maddie McCann, the British toddler who disappeared while she and her family were vacationing in Portugal.
2 episodes in and it's pretty good!
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Post by busy on Mar 6, 2019 23:25:44 GMT
I was surprised - and also not - to hear in today's episode that Steve Powell suspected Josh killed Susan from the very beginning.
What a terrible story all around.
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Post by shanni on Mar 14, 2019 18:33:47 GMT
Anyone listen to the conclusion? I think Dave Cawley’s theory is probably pretty close, but one thing about it is bugging me. A drill? That would make no sense. If josh wanted it to look like an accident, there is no way he would use a drill. He also was smart enough to know a toxicology report would be run if they found the body. I don’t think he would have used something that would turn up in a report.
I think it makes a ton of sense that he would make it look like an accident for the insurance money. If that’s what he did, it’s too bad he wasn’t able to finish his plan. If her body had been found the next day, I think it would have been harder for him to explain everything away. There would have been evidence found in an autopsy.
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