peabrain
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Post by peabrain on Dec 19, 2018 13:06:24 GMT
are on the line?
I "donated" 15 cans of food to my dd's school like we were hostages.
One class the teacher said if my dd donated 10 cans they'd get a free homework pass. Ok whatever.
The other teacher wrote on the board "Canned food = movie No canned food = Test " So the whole class gets a test today because not everyone brought in canned food.
Are salaries tied into how much canned food is brought in? At this point, I don't feel like this is a donation. It's extortion.
What are they really teaching kids anyway? I think it would be to hate canned food drives.
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Post by kelly8875 on Dec 19, 2018 13:11:54 GMT
I would email the principal with your concerns. Those seem like extreme cases, and I agree they aren’t being handled right.
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Post by grate on Dec 19, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
I hear ya! I am a teacher in an independent school and they have us donating for everything, teachers included. I have a "give to the school" request on my desk right now (I am at home on break haha) a donation of $900 would be appreciated. Do you know how many DAYS (weeks) it would take for me to clear that in order to give. After I donated toys and food for the community center and also for the homeless. I FEEL YOUR PAIN! Then we get hit up each time we go shopping this time of year all added to what we all give personally. It makes giving not feel as good as it used to.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 19, 2018 13:26:24 GMT
Wow! That’s really extreme. I would send an email to the principal asking for clarification on why this is being pushed so heavily. It’s a donation. Meaning it’s supposed to be voluntary.
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Post by bbkeef on Dec 19, 2018 13:29:26 GMT
At this point, I don't feel like this is a donation. It's extortion. As others have said, you need to send a letter, make a call or talk directly to the principal with your concerns. I don't think making kids take a test because they didn't bring canned goods in, is ok at all. Incentives are one thing, but punishment is another!
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Post by peabrain on Dec 19, 2018 13:40:30 GMT
At this point, I don't feel like this is a donation. It's extortion. As others have said, you need to send a letter, make a call or talk directly to the principal with your concerns. I don't think making kids take a test because they didn't bring canned goods in, is ok at all. Incentives are one thing, but punishment is another! I know. On one hand I feel like...it's canned food...just suck it up and move on. And I didn't SEE it written. But I do wonder if teachers already were going to give a test and used this canned food drive as a push to *maybe* change their minds?? As if a truck load of canned food showed up or something??? I am looking for alternative thinking here from teachers. So this is really email worthy ?? I'm just usually bitchy so I don't pay much attention to my inner complaining.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 19, 2018 13:42:46 GMT
Are salaries tied into how much canned food is brought in? you're joking right??
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Post by paigepea on Dec 19, 2018 13:58:48 GMT
Obviously canned food isn’t linked to salary and these situations are meant to encourage the kids into remembering a can. I also think these incentives are wrong. Giving canned food at school is supposed to teach the kids to support the community if they can help. There shouldn’t be a punishment for not contributing.
My dd has a non-uniform day once a month for the food bank. If they bring in canned food on that day they can wear regular clothes (or just wear regular clothes even without donation but that isn’t the point). I wish they’d just do the food drive and forget about the regular clothes. I don’t think there should be a reward for donating. In the real world, the internal feeling we get from doing something good is the reward for donating and I wish they’d teach that to the kids.
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Post by mustlovecats on Dec 19, 2018 14:01:53 GMT
are on the line? I "donated" 15 cans of food to my dd's school like we were hostages. One class the teacher said if my dd donated 10 cans they'd get a free homework pass. Ok whatever. The other teacher wrote on the board "Canned food = movie No canned food = Test " So the whole class gets a test today because not everyone brought in canned food. Are salaries tied into how much canned food is brought in? At this point, I don't feel like this is a donation. It's extortion. What are they really teaching kids anyway? I think it would be to hate canned food drives. To me this takes incentives too far. For my part I teach kids who need food. They quietly receive Mac and cheese and granola bars in their backpacks on fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend. I keep a snack pantry for them. They don’t have the same opportunity to bring in food to a food drive that my wealthy students do. This feels like punishment to those kids when they can’t reach the incentive. So we stopped incentivizing all this stuff, PTA membership, box tops, all of it because it reinforces that big divide between haves and have-nots in our school. We do have a positive behavior program that has incentives. In our family we have the means to participate when there’s a food drive so we do.. but I feel like pressure to participate just isn’t right. I know who those kids are who can’t do it and I want them to feel like school is a haven for them. I mean, no, no ones salary depends on this but the pressure feels like a lot sometimes.
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Post by delila on Dec 19, 2018 14:10:20 GMT
What about teaching the children that bringing in the canned goods to the homeless is just the right thing to do & they don’t need a reward for doing the right thing.
There is no reward in life for doing the right thing, we just do it.
delila
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Post by JustTricia on Dec 19, 2018 14:10:41 GMT
Was this a test that was already scheduled? If so, I see it along the lines of an A in a class or perfect attendance lets you skip finals in some schools.
But if this test is a punishment purely scheduled for the convenience of extorting the parents (because it IS the parents), then that is an issue.
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Post by beepdave on Dec 19, 2018 14:21:19 GMT
Obviously canned food isn’t linked to salary and these situations are meant to encourage the kids into remembering a can. I also think these incentives are wrong. Giving canned food at school is supposed to teach the kids to support the community if they can help. There shouldn’t be a punishment for not contributing. My dd has a non-uniform day once a month for the food bank. If they bring in canned food on that day they can wear regular clothes (or just wear regular clothes even without donation but that isn’t the point). I wish they’d just do the food drive and forget about the regular clothes. I don’t think there should be a reward for donating. In the real world, the internal feeling we get from doing something good is the reward for donating and I wish they’d teach that to the kids.
I added the bold. This is how I feel as an adult as well. I believe people should give to give, not for the reward of writing it off taxes, but that's just me.
Maybe they're just preparing the kids for what actually happens in the real world. :-)
(I think it's excessive and kids should not be guilted/bribed into giving - when in actuality it's the parents who end up giving anyway.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 14:28:06 GMT
I would email the teacher first to clarify what was on the board about donating (movie vs. test). If the teacher verifies this was her plan, I would forward the email to the principal as information only and that in your opinion this is not the way to encourage community service.
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Post by Merge on Dec 19, 2018 14:50:33 GMT
Eh, usually the teachers who push really hard on something like this are just having a bit of fun. The teacher with the test probably had a test scheduled for that day anyway.
December is a hard month for teachers and students. An opportunity to engage in a bit of friendly competition for a good cause is just a distraction from the grind. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
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Post by idahopea on Dec 19, 2018 14:50:56 GMT
I'm wondering if maybe there is a competition going on between classes for most food brought in? When my kids were in elementary there was often a contest between classes a couple of times a year for the Box Tops for Education. The contest helped kids remember to bring box tops from home and the teachers had fun with it too. You would be shocked at how many more box tops came in when there was a competition between classes versus when we just asked kids to bring them in.
That said, donations for charitable causes were never a competition because many families cannot afford to donate, in fact some of the families would probably receive some of the donations! I think it is terrible to require it for any reason and it takes all the good feelings away that you might have from donating.
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Post by not2peased on Dec 19, 2018 15:00:34 GMT
I am wondering why the kids who brought more than one can couldn't be enterprising enough to share cans with the kids who didn't bring them in so they got the movie. What happened to creative thinking in schools??? lol
I don't agree with the approach they took, but meh, it's just some canned goods.
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Post by peabrain on Dec 19, 2018 15:02:51 GMT
I am wondering why the kids who brought more than one can couldn't be enterprising enough to share cans with the kids who didn't bring them in so they got the movie. What happened to creative thinking in schools??? lol Bwaaa! I love this!
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Post by jumperhop on Dec 19, 2018 15:03:31 GMT
It’s just a tactic to get the kids to remember. In previous years my kids school has run a “competition”. Which ever class brings in the most food gets XYZ. Jen
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Post by StephDRebel on Dec 19, 2018 15:08:20 GMT
I am wondering why the kids who brought more than one can couldn't be enterprising enough to share cans with the kids who didn't bring them in so they got the movie. What happened to creative thinking in schools??? lol I don't agree with the approach they took, but meh, it's just some canned goods. Right. I could see my nephew bringing a case of soup and checking donations at the door. The class probably gets a pizza party if the th bring the most. How does your child feel about it? Has he noticed the food drive being really really important? Is he talking about it? Ask him why he thinks it is such a big deal.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 19, 2018 15:10:02 GMT
Is this at an elementary school? 10-15 cans of food would be really heavy for a little kid to haul to school in their backpack along with all the other crap they have to drag to school at this time of year (it’s cold here, so that means my kid has snow pants, sometimes her shoes, water bottle, etc. in her backpack every freaking day). I could see asking them to bring in one or two cans, but TEN? Seriously? That’s nuts.
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Post by garcia5050 on Dec 19, 2018 15:13:08 GMT
I used to be on the PTA at my kids elementary school. The teacher who brought in the most cans would gain an ice cream party for her class. The teacher also may have gained a gift card for a nice amount (all prizes donated). I don’t know why they bothered. Kindergarten always won.
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Post by myboysnme on Dec 19, 2018 15:27:34 GMT
I despise things like this. The child is completely dependent on the parent to provide that item. It is not something the child can likely obtain on their own. And then the kids who don't have a reliable parent, or funds to provide it, or whatever reason.
I would not participate, I would tell the teacher and the principal why I refuse.
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Post by snow4197 on Dec 19, 2018 15:29:28 GMT
I would definitely talk to the teacher and principal. Not everyone can bring in a can of food. Think of how that kid feels if they were the one who’s parents can’t afford it or say no. Let’s face it, we are all getting bombarded right now with donation requests. I’m all for donating but when these tactics are done it makes me mad.
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Post by peabrain on Dec 19, 2018 15:29:51 GMT
This is high school. I can see why the kids aren't really involved in bringing in cans at that age.
The school alternates classes on different days. And since this is a holiday week, they have been having assemblies this week. DD said she really wouldn't have any idea what the test would be on as they haven't had a true class in a bit to study anything. She will go again tomorrow.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 19, 2018 15:30:29 GMT
Are they sure allthe kids can afford to bring in canned food?
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 19, 2018 15:54:18 GMT
That is super weird. At our school the class that brings in the most earns an ice cream party. The bigger kids make signs to hang up around the school, they go in small groups to each class to talk about why this is important and why they are doing this, they count and help sort the cans. No one is shamed for not bringing in food and I like that the big kids take ownership of it. There are absolutely no punishments for not participating and the suggested donation is 3 cans per kid.
No incentive for teachers, and most would say the ice cream party is a punishment for them! The winning class is beyond hyped about ice cream all day and the party is just a big ole mess and make the kids lose their minds and backpacks, school work and everything else on their way out the door for winter break.
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Post by likescarrots on Dec 19, 2018 16:07:21 GMT
As others have said, you need to send a letter, make a call or talk directly to the principal with your concerns. I don't think making kids take a test because they didn't bring canned goods in, is ok at all. Incentives are one thing, but punishment is another! I know. On one hand I feel like...it's canned food...just suck it up and move on. And I didn't SEE it written. But I do wonder if teachers already were going to give a test and used this canned food drive as a push to *maybe* change their minds?? As if a truck load of canned food showed up or something??? I am looking for alternative thinking here from teachers. So this is really email worthy ?? I'm just usually bitchy so I don't pay much attention to my inner complaining. it's not ok, how do you think kids whose families can't afford to donate a can feel about it? What if they know their family is the recipient of food from a food bank. It's one thing to make the request, but when it gets into 'not everyone brought a can' territory, that's not ok. It could cause backlash or bullying toward those kids who couldn't bring one and it is downright humiliating to them. I think it would be good for someone to bring up what a bad practice it has become.
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Post by sunnyd on Dec 19, 2018 16:26:16 GMT
I have a Facebook friend who is a teacher. She is always asking for donations for food, coats, craft supplies, sub for Santa, etc. relating to donation drives at her school. The teachers at her school have competitions of who can get the most donations. My friend apparently wins the competitions often. I think teachers (broad statement but in general) are benevolent people and see a lot of need on a daily basis so are inclined to help the less fortunate. I don't mind it at all but if my kids grades or school activities depended on it I'd definitely be bugged. I just read about a teacher in our area who runs a food bank out of her classroom. HERE is a link.
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Post by auntkelly on Dec 19, 2018 16:46:36 GMT
Obviously canned food isn’t linked to salary and these situations are meant to encourage the kids into remembering a can. I also think these incentives are wrong. Giving canned food at school is supposed to teach the kids to support the community if they can help. There shouldn’t be a punishment for not contributing. My dd has a non-uniform day once a month for the food bank. If they bring in canned food on that day they can wear regular clothes (or just wear regular clothes even without donation but that isn’t the point). I wish they’d just do the food drive and forget about the regular clothes. I don’t think there should be a reward for donating. In the real world, the internal feeling we get from doing something good is the reward for donating and I wish they’d teach that to the kids. I couldn't agree more about charity should be from the heart. However, in just about every job I have ever had, there was always pressure to donate to certain charities, especially the United Way. I like to pick and chose the charities I give to, and I like to do it anonymously. Having said that, I don't think it's any big deal to have a friendly competition over a canned food drive, but I do think it's a little much for a teacher to punish his/her class for not having 100% participation.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 19, 2018 16:52:55 GMT
As others have said, you need to send a letter, make a call or talk directly to the principal with your concerns. I don't think making kids take a test because they didn't bring canned goods in, is ok at all. Incentives are one thing, but punishment is another! Setting limits of what needs to be brought in is totally out of line. There are families who barely have enough food for themselves. Bad enough that the school supply lists are getting longer and more expensive every year!
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