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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:00:01 GMT
linkTime to start a new thread... From Paul Waldman in the Washington Post. “This is what we were afraid of” “When the new year begins next week, President Trump will have an acting chief of staff, an acting secretary of defense, an acting attorney general, an acting EPA administrator, no interior secretary, and no ambassador to the United Nations. The officials originally in all those positions have either been fired or have quit in various measures of disgust or scandal. His former campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, national security adviser and personal lawyer have all pleaded guilty to crimes. His campaign, his transition, his foundation and his business are all under investigation. The United States’ allies are horrified at the chaos Trump has brought to our foreign policy. The stock market is experiencing wild swings as investors are gripped with fear over what might be coming and what Trump might do to make it worse — a situation alarming enough that the treasury secretary felt the need to call up the CEOs of major banks to assure them that everything is under control. And, oh yeah, the government is shut down. This, my friends, is exactly what we were afraid of when Trump somehow managed to get elected president two years ago. This is what we warned you about. To give you a flavor of the president’s mind-set, here’s what happened over the weekend with regard to the departure of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, widely regarded as the sanest of Trump’s national security team and one of the few original members of Trump’s Cabinet who did not show himself to be incompetent, corrupt, or both. The president’s decision to pull American troops out of Syria because of a single phone call with the president of Turkey was apparently the last straw for Mattis, who has watched in dismay as Trump has set about to degrade the alliances that have shaped U.S. foreign policy for the last seven decades. So Mattis tendered his resignation, saying he’d depart in two months to give the president time to find a replacement. And then . . . President Trump, who aides said has been seething about news coverage of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis’s pointed resignation letter, abruptly announced Sunday that he was removing Mattis two months before his planned departure and installing Patrick Shanahan as acting defense secretary. . . . Trump decided hastily to remove Mattis in reaction to negative news coverage, according to senior administration officials, one of whom said the president was eager to retaliate against Mattis and show up the widely respected former general. Another official said Trump and other advisers suspected Mattis of being part of a campaign to stoke negative coverage about the president. Nothing says “well-oiled machine” like that distinctly Trumpian combination of paranoia and vindictiveness. Meanwhile, the government shutdown is expected to last into the new year, a shutdown that is happening because a bunch of Fox News and talk-radio hosts criticized the president for not being tough enough in fighting for his ludicrous border wall. Trump, always deeply insecure and eager to feed his base’s endless rage and desire for conflict, responded quickly to the accusation of weakness. “He spends ever more time in front of a television, often retreating to his residence out of concern that he is being watched too closely,” reports the New York Times. Two years ago, as we were still trying to wrap our heads around the idea that Trump was actually going to be president of the United States, it was not uncommon to hear the hopeful prediction that things wouldn’t work out as badly as we feared. The weighty responsibilities of the office would turn Trump serious, sober, “presidential.”That has not occurred. If anything, Trump has shown himself to be even more of a despicable human being than he appeared then, and utterly incapable of growing into the office. He is just as petty, just as impulsive, just as narcissistic, just as dishonest and, perhaps, even more corrupt than we realized. Not only does he seem to be using every available opportunity to exploit the presidency to enrich himself and his family, but a recent, meticulously documented investigation showed that Trump, his father, and his siblings engaged in a years-long scheme to commit tax fraud on an absolutely massive scale, a story that, in the endless waves of White House madness, has been almost forgotten. And he continues to jealously guard his tax returns, to the point where any reasonable person would conclude that the information contained therein must at a minimum shock the conscience, if not providing evidence of outright criminal behavior. It is true that Trump has not yet started World War III. And if you’re a Republican, he has done many things that pleased you, such as cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, or slashing regulations that protect workers, consumers, and people who enjoy breathing air and drinking water. If you thrill to the sight of immigrant children being ripped from the arms of their parents, then this presidency has been a joy. Indeed, just about the only fear about Trump that hasn’t come to pass is the conservative worry that he would be ideologically unreliable. But in so many ways, he has shown himself again and again to be not just as bad as we thought, but worse. As as we look forward to the next two years, we must realize that there will be no stability, no settling down, no period of calm. The best we can hope for are brief moments when the lunacy pouring from the White House is more comical than terrifying. But most of the time, they’ll probably be both.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:07:47 GMT
Newsweek...
”Trump says federal employees like the government shutdown because "they want the wall" bit.ly/2CAbPrd”
Somehow I don’t think so.
And this from Phillip Rucker..
“Trump claims that “many” federal workers want the government to stay closed: "Many of those workers have said to me, communicated, stay out until you get the funding for the wall. These federal workers want the wall."
Its those many imaginary people again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:12:16 GMT
MSNBC..
”President Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops at Christmastime.”
Well you know he is having a temper tantrum because he is not in Florida.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:14:04 GMT
Barbara Starr...
”Defense Secretary James Mattis is in his third floor Pentagon office on Christmas Day working.”
This man understands duty, something trump will never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:18:06 GMT
This from trump...
”I hope everyone, even the Fake News Media, is having a great Christmas! Our Country is doing very well. We are securing our Borders, making great new Trade Deals, and bringing our Troops Back Home. We are finally putting America First. MERRY CHRISTMAS! #MAGA”
Prompted this from Pete Souza..
”What’s it like to be first potus not to visit our troops at Christmas since 2002; to have a child die at the border today because of you; to have govt workers wonder how they will pay mortgage; and to personally be responsible for everyone’s 401k crashing? Just wondering.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2018 3:53:40 GMT
Mnuchin may be gone soon too! He is not happy with Mnuchin and he is still trying to figure out what to do about the Fed Powell!! ”President Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops at Christmastime.” Well you know he is having a temper tantrum because he is not in Florida. But he is planning on visiting Ergoron(sp) in Turkey soon......... let's see, met privately with Putin/Helsinki, first foreign trip was to Saudi Arabia, met with Kim Jung Un(sp), MBS didn't order the killing of Jamal Khoshoggi....... and the list goes on...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2018 14:06:19 GMT
Have we talked about this mess? ICE drops off at least 100 migrants in downtown El Paso on Christmas: report BY MICHAEL BURKE - 12/26/18 08:30 AM EST About 100 migrants were left in downtown El Paso on Tuesday by immigration authorities, according to the El Paso Times. Dylan Corbett, executive director of the Hope Border Institute, told the publication shleter had been found for the people dropped off Christmas afternoon, but the search continues for places to stay for any other migrants who might be left Downtown later. "A place where they can sleep, make phone calls to their contacts or relatives in other parts of the country," Corbett said. "Most of these folks are on route to another part of the country. They are not staying here in El Paso. They want to go to their sponsor or family members in other parts of the country. They just need a place for the night." The dropping off of the migrants comes after Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) earlier this week dropped off about 200 migrants at a Greyhound station in El Paso, leaving them to be sheltered in buses overnight.Rep.-elect Veronica Escobar (D-Texas) told the El Paso Times in a statement that the actions of immigration authorities were "unacceptable" and noted that in 2016, Customs and Border Protection “used to create temporally holding facilities that were humane, safe and clean.” “If they are able to create tent cities to jail children, then they should absolutely be able to construct the same kind of facilities as they did in 2016 to assist the migrants,” Escobar said. "The federal government needs to step up and dumping people out on the streets is not stepping up,” she added. A nonprofit organization that helps immigrants told the El Paso Times that it expected to receive another 500 migrants on Wednesday and Thursday.thehill.com/latino/422855-at-least-100-migrants-dropped-off-on-christmas-by-ice-in-downtown-el-pasothey just drop people off there. No care what happens to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 14:24:11 GMT
"With Defense Secretary James Mattis on his way out two months earlier than planned, Deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan will take the reins of the government's largest and most complex agency with no military and foreign policy experience." www.cnn.com/2018/12/24/politics/who-is-patrick-shanahan-acting-defense-department-secretary/index.htmlWhat could possibly go wrong? On the bright side, it's wonderful to know that job skills are no longer a requirement to getting a job. I look forward to my first brain surgery. I'll just "trust my gut". I'm sure the Trump-ettes will immediately start w/"But Ash Carter under Obama had no military experience." Yes. However, Ash had years and years in DoD in foreign affairs. "From 1993 to 1996, Carter served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy during President Clinton's first term.[22][23] He was responsible for strategic affairs, including dealing with the threat of weapons of mass destruction elsewhere in the world, nuclear weapons policy (including overseeing the U.S. nuclear arsenal and missile defenses), the 1994 Nuclear Posture Review, the Agreed Framework signed in 1994 which froze North Korea's plutonium-producing nuclear reactor program,[24] the 1995 extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,[25] the negotiation of the 1996 Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty, and the multibillion-dollar Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program and Project Sapphire that removed all nuclear weapons from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Belarus.[23][11][26][27] Carter directed military planning during the 1994 crisis over North Korea's nuclear weapons program.[24] He was also responsible for dealing with the establishment of defense and intelligence relationships with former Soviet countries in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its nuclear arsenal, and was chairman of NATO’s High Level Group.[11][27] He was also responsible for the Counter proliferation Initiative, control of sensitive US exports, and negotiations that led to the deployment of Russian troops as part of the Bosnia Peace Plan Implementation Force.[27] From April 2009 to October 2011, Carter was Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics, with responsibility for DOD's procurement reform and innovation agenda [and then finally] From October 2011 to December 2013, Carter was Deputy Secretary of Defense, serving as the DOD’s chief operating officer, overseeing the department's annual budget and its three million civilian and military personnel" Shanahan is a Boeing exec who was brought into DoD last year to be the COO as under Deputy Secretary of Defense - the last role Ash Carter had - without any experience as an undersecretary in actual programs -- only operations management.
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Post by dillydally on Dec 26, 2018 14:29:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:51:42 GMT
This thread is really long, but I think worth the time.
Right after the story hit the Russians targeted Sanders supporters along with African Americans David Roberts asked this question on twitter.
“Russians made a concerted effort to turn Sanders supporters away from Clinton. Please direct me, if you will, to a Sanders supporter who has grappled with this fact in a serious or thoughtful way. (Not snarking; really asking.)”
He received this reply from a woman named Mangy Jay.
“I supported Sanders early in 2016. I was *always* planning on voting for the Democratic nominee. I have wrestled w/ this question, tho I suspect many others have not. I think the most significant impact on me was a quelling of how loudly I was willing to express support for HRC.”
“I was never an anti-Hillary person, though I sometimes I felt as if I viscerally disliked her. Again, I was always planning on voting for her no matter what, but these feelings existed. I did a great deal to explore them & came to two conclusions. . . .”
“1. A great deal of my "dislike," was due to internalized misogyny. I held HRC to different standards than men. And I was vulnerable to tropes used to demonize powerful women, such as "she seems dishonest," etc.”
”2. I also realized--and this was like a smack in the face--that my own feelings about HRC tracked pretty closely w/ general public opinion polling. Such that I liked her when she was SoS, but then seemed to start disliking her when she was a candidate:”
“Why did I dislike someone in 2008, then feel like she was a really good SoS, then kind of start to dislike her again?
I wasn't convinced that the emails were a substantive scandal or evidence of real wrongdoing. So what happened?”
“To me, the most logical explanation was that I was vulnerable to the media narratives around Clinton, which were, in turn, facilitated & fueled by misogyny, including my own deep biases.
This is to my great regret & shame, btw. I only talk about it now in case it can be helpful”
“In any case, all of this left me primed to be vulnerable to propaganda in 2016, though I believe I was more resilient than some. Like I said, I was always willing to throw my *full* support behind the nominee. . . .”
”I was also horrified by the behavior of some of my fellow Sanders supporters in the late spring/summer of 2016. I also noticed that, in Facebook groups, if I even mentioned supporting the nominee, I would get screamed at.”
”In any case, by the time of the DNC, I was filled w/ a sense of dread over what was happening. I was also determined to learn more about Hillary Clinton, as well as to explore my feelings about her & to judge her based on her record.”
”What I discovered was a record of real progressivism. I discovered a woman who had spent her life fighting for women & children. I discovered a woman who was remarkably intelligent & detail-oriented. A woman who was able to recognize her mistakes & make changes.” “I also discovered her supporters on PantsSuit Nation, a Facebook group that was designed so people could express their respect for Clinton w/out getting bullied. Her supporters were *such* a diverse coalition, all coming together to express hope & passion for social justice.”
”And, after all of this, I began to not just like Clinton, but to really freaking admire her. I also felt honored to be a part of her coalition. I felt like, by supporting her, I was supporting all of the people who admired her as well. This was inspiring to me.”
”But then, this is where it gets a bit darker. My of my friends on FB were Sanders supporters, some I knew IRL & some online. And, again, I was involved in some Sanders FB groups. I would think, "I should try to tell everyone how my feelings have changed. . . . ."
“I quickly found that, if I did, the first thing that would come up was the Super Predators clip. I didn't know how to talk about this clip w/out sounding like I was excusing something I didn't really have authority to speak about.”
“And this became very ingrained in my brain. Every time I thought, I'm going to post something good about Hillary, I would simultaneously think, "Am I excusing that clip when I do so?"
And so I would say nothing.”
”When my friends posted about voting for Jill Stein, I would say nothing. Or I would be tepid in my responses. As much as I had turned into an HRC supporter, I did not feel comfortable loudly & proudly advocating for her.
Again, this is to my regret & my shame.”
”Since then, I have learned. Primarily from being on this website & listening to the diverse voices of Clinton supporters.”
“I feel more ready, now, to combat propaganda not w/ just my own voice, but by amplifying the voices of people who are MORE authoritative than myself, esp. the voices of POC, LGBTQ folks, & anyone who has a real stake in social justice.”
“So, yeah, that's how I feel that propaganda affected me. I was never vicious.
But I was too quiet.”
”&, importantly, this propaganda wouldn't have been nearly so effective if it hadn't unfolded w/in extant media narratives which were *themselves* facilitated by factors ranging from misogyny to an almost pathological need to create equivalencies where there are none. “
“PS: The most frequent response to this thread so far are other folks, whether they started out as Sanders supporters or HRC supporters, expressing that they, too, felt that the propaganda & online environment had a suppressive effect on their speech. . . . .”
”We'll never be able to measure how this impacted the election, but, frankly, I am 100% positive that it did, particularly given how close the margins were across just three states.” Me less than 100,000 votes spread across those three states.
“It is very important to consider this suppressive effect w/in the context of the info we have now. . . .”
”Specifically, that the Russian Gov't & the Trump campaign, perhaps together, or perhaps separately, aimed to not just turn voters to Trump, but to depress them into not turning out or to vote 3rd party.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:00:18 GMT
Mangy Jay received this response to her thread from Tamar Smith..
“ultimately you didn’t know very much about Clinton for a long time, good or bad. You were vulnerable to propaganda. The lesson may be to do your own thinking and homework on candidates going forward.”
To which she responded..
”Tamar,
Don't be condescending in my mentions.
Thanks & bye.”
On this I’m siding with Tamar. So it would appear after her soul searching response she didn’t learn anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:07:05 GMT
Here is another thread/response to Mangy Jay. The last response I had not considered but it could have played a part in those voting third party or stayed home voters.
davidorlo.....
”So much of this is similar to my experience! I’ve been leftie/lib or further out since my teens. My first grownup job was working for Greenpeace starting day after high school graduation in ‘88. I voted Bernie in primary (Mich). When...”
”When some friends said a lot of the Hillary-hate was misogyny, I rolled my eyes. But then I saw undeniable misogyny against her even from some of my oldest friends, fellow Greenpeace alumni & other lefty folk, that shocked me. It forced my reckoning.”
”By the convention, I was over Sanders & forming some of the same conclusions as you. It was largely reading LGBT folks reminding me of the 80/90s, of how hard Hillary pushed to advance any progress at all, recognition of LGBT people as people, that made me begin to admire her.”
”I spent the next months challenging people to vote for Hillary even if it was only to vote against Trump for real, even in “safe states,” to rebuke his xenophobia the way it should be, by a landslide defeat so final that the scumbags would slither back under their rocks.”
“And (trying to) convince people to stop loudly broadcasting their ambivalence about Hillary in their “safe states” to their loved ones in UNSAFE states who might then say, “If even my hippie friends in Seattle don’t like Hilary enough to vote for her, maybe I’ll stay home.” /x”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:10:09 GMT
And yet another interesting response to Mangy Jay.
This time from PathsofDax...
“I think another key piece is the utter awfulness of Trump. He was so awful that people, convinced that they didn’t like HRC, felt comfortable not voting for her. They thought that surely the monster would not win so they could somehow claim personal political”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:26:26 GMT
linkAnd in the response to Mangy Jay was the link to this study from Harvard, that if I reading it correctly was done in 2010. The actual study has a link in the linked article. “The Price of Power: Power Seeking and Backlash Against Female Politicians”“When female politicians are perceived to be power-seeking, voters react negatively with feelings of moral outrage.In an effort to address the persistent gender gap at the highest levels of political office, this study investigates one of the stereotype-based social costs that women face as political candidates. Because power and power-seeking are central to the way masculinity is socially constructed and communality is central to the construction of femininity, intentionally seeking power is broadly seen as anti-communal and inconsistent with the societal rules for women’s behavior. The study aims to determine whether women political candidates who are seen to be seeking a political office as a means to gain power will be penalized for their seeming lack of communality. More specifically, the authors suggest that women’s power-seeking will evoke emotional reactions of contempt and disgust and therefore voters will be less likely to support their candidacy. Findings
Voters are less likely to vote for female politicians when they perceive them as power-seeking, though male politicians are not penalized. *All things being equal, study participants were likely to perceive female politicians as being just about equally power-seeking as male politicians. *When participants saw male politicians as power-seeking, they also saw them as having greater agency (i.e., being more assertive, stronger, and tougher) and greater competence, while this was not true for their perceptions of power-seeking female politicians. *When participants saw female politicians as power-seeking, they also saw them as having less communality (i.e., being unsupportive and uncaring), while this was not true for their perceptions of power-seeking male politicians. *When female politicians were described as power-seeking, participants experienced feelings of moral outrage (i.e., contempt, anger, and/or disgust) towards them. *Participant gender had no impact on any of the study outcomes – that is, women were just as likely as men to have negative reactions to power-seeking female politicians. In short, both a power-seeking image and expressed power-seeking intent can bias voters against female politicians. Methodology
The first study was conducted with 80 respondents (53 women and 27 men) between the ages of 19 and 63. They were recruited and participated in the study online. Researchers created website biography pages for two Oregon state senators, identical in format to those of real state senators, including information about career histories, committee service, and educational background. The names and genders on each biography were altered so that each described a male politician half the time and a female politician half the time. Study respondents reviewed the biographies and then answered questions indicating how much desire for power they thought each candidate exhibited and which candidate they would vote for. The second study was conducted with 230 respondents (78 men and 152 women) between the ages of 18 and 76. They were recruited and participated in the study online. Researchers created one website biography of an Oregon state senator, similar to those created for the first study. The biography was altered along two manipulated variables: the name and gender of the politician were changed so that half were male and half were female; and half the biographies for each gender contained two additional sentences indicating that the politician described was exceptionally power-seeking. Study respondents reviewed their biography and then answered questions indicating how likely they were to vote for that senator; how much agency, communality, and competence they perceived in him/her; and what kinds of emotions they felt towards the senator.“
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:35:54 GMT
And yet another response to Mangy Jay from a RebekahB..
”Wise minds still decided to vote strategically even with these dual arms of dark influence -it was clear to but only after deep conversations across multiple social spheres/much reading, that in fact VITAL to vote as if no 3rd party existed(since in essence,we have 2 partysystem)”
Duh! The very second the Republicans chose trump as their nominee it became a two party race and only a two party race. A race that all registered voters needed to show up and vote for one of the only two choices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:41:58 GMT
This response to Mangy Jay From Robert the Spruce brought up another point I had not considered but believe there is a lot of truth in it...
”I have been a fan of HRC since I lived in DC, in the 90s. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have had a persistent campaign of misinformation against her. It’s because of that I learned to look beyond the headlines and make sure I study actual records of candidates.
“I can forgive her unwillingness to admit mistakes, in public. Women of her generation, living and working in a cesspool of misogyny, could not let a single crack appear in the foundation, for fear the whole thing would come tumbling down.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:48:25 GMT
And this final response to Mangy Jay from The Calitaliano Kid...
”Fascinating admission of how you (and probably many of us) were "Socially engineered" during the 2016 election. Thanks! Now you know why the question I often get from the Italians, "Well why did the Americans vote him in then!?" is never easy to answer.”
And whose fault was it that you and other were “socially engineered “?
People have choices. People chose not to do their own homework on Hillsry and chose to be “socially engineered”, no one forced them. At least take responsibility for your actions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:55:13 GMT
New subject. Could this possibly be happening? trump has not tweeted at all today, so far.
Jester Actual..
“#FLASH Airforce One spotted over northern UK - flying under a different callsign. is he finally gonna visit troops?“
If he does grow a pair and visit our troops in Afghanistan kudos to him.
ETA.. There are pictures of Air Force One popping up on twitter that were supposedly taken today over the UK. So I guess we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 19:24:07 GMT
MSNBC...
”BREAKING: President Trump visits Iraq in his first war zone visit as president.
Live coverage now on @msnbc.”
Give him credit...
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 26, 2018 19:27:14 GMT
MSNBC... ”BREAKING: President Trump visits Iraq in his first war zone visit as president. Live coverage now on @msnbc.” Give him credit... I give him absolutely zero credit. He's only going for the photo op because it's the last possible thing he can do to try to save face. If he really cared about the troops he would have been there long ago. I hope they boo him.
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Post by ntsf on Dec 26, 2018 19:31:25 GMT
I give him zero credit too. he could have visited the tomb of the unknown.. he could have visited walter reed more than once or twice.. he is going cause he has been trashed over his choices for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 19:39:37 GMT
He must be desperate to go to even Iraq. I see he took Melania. I believe that may be a first. And it may be he was too chicken to go alone.
But 20 months after the first time President Obama went in his first term, trump finally goes.
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 26, 2018 19:47:15 GMT
MSNBC.. ”President Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops at Christmastime.” Well you know he is having a temper tantrum because he is not in Florida. How does anyone in that party continue to claim to be the party to support the troops?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2018 20:40:17 GMT
(CNN)President Donald Trump and the first lady quietly swept into Iraq Wednesday to pay a holiday visit to US troops, at last making good on the President's promise to travel to one of the war zones he has derided as costly blunders. After a secret overnight flight from Washington, the President and Melania Trump touched down onto a darkened air strip at Al Asad Air Base west of Baghdad, the dicey security situation still restricting Trump to a clandestine visit more than 15 years after the American invasion. He remained on the ground for about three hours, greeting enthusiastic selfie-taking servicemen and women in their dining hall. Photos from the ground showed Trump in a black overcoat and red tie, posing for a picture with troops in fatigues. Melania Trump stood smiling next to him, wearing a mustard-colored blouse. Link www.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/donald-trump-iraq-visit/index.htmlWel dressed for a battlefield........... NOT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 21:14:29 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Coast Guard members who are living paycheck to paycheck may have to take out loans if the government shutdown drags on.
The Coast Guard is the only branch of the military directly affected by the partial shutdown, HuffPost reports.”
I wonder if members of the Coadt Guard are some of the “many” government employees who want the president to keep the government closed until he gets the $5B for his wall?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 21:27:09 GMT
AP...
”Stocks surge on Wall Street, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average vaulting more than 1,000 points, its biggest one-day point-gain ever.”
Somehow or way trump will take credit for this when he finishes signing #MAGA hats for the troops in Iraq.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 26, 2018 21:31:23 GMT
I am glad he made the visit.
He gets no points from me. A day late and a dollar short and we know he did it because he was forced to due to the bad publicity he’s received for not going already. If he really wanted to visit the troops he would have done so long before now.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 26, 2018 21:59:46 GMT
Wow. Trump finally did something good. Without any fanfare. I am shocked he went to any war zone, especially now, after the mess that he alone has created. Here’s a Clap for him.
F it I can’t figure out how to imbed a gif. It’s Steven Colbert clapping half assed.
absolutely think the only reason he did this is to try and save face from his EPIC fuckups in the last week alone.
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