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Post by pierkiss on Jan 11, 2019 12:32:02 GMT
Pretty remarkable quote: "When I said, 'if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period.' I didnt say that." "Well I said it, but I meant something else entirely." What’s your point? That lying in politics is ok? It wasn’t ok when Obama said that, and it’s not ok that Donald Trump lies every single day about everything under the sun. Lying to the American people Is. Not. Ok.
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Post by amom23 on Jan 11, 2019 13:09:27 GMT
My heart hurts for every person who is not going to receive their paycheck today. I've been in the position of not knowing how I was going to pay the bills and it's terrifying!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 13:57:02 GMT
But yet you just couldn’t help yourself, you just had to come on this thread with a snarky remark about how Pelosi looked, which makes you no better then the ones you single out. Once again, your handslap is worth absolutely zero when your outrage depends only on who said it. Once again, your trolling here means zippity do dah nada. You don’t read, you refuse to listen to what peas are pointing out, and you’re either incredibly obtuse or just plain stupid. You making the claim that “it only depends on who is saying it” is a lie, complete and utter bullshit, and is just you trying to gaslight. Your quoted post, once again, is a 💯 reflection of your antics here and what you’re doing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2019 14:14:01 GMT
To go along with Kellyanne's 'Alternative facts" and Giulanai's "Truth is not the truth" Exclusive: Trump team should be allowed to ‘correct’ final Mueller report, says GiulianiBY NIALL STANAGE - 01/11/19 08:55 AM EST Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it. The claim, made in a telephone interview with The Hill on Thursday evening, goes further than the president’s legal advisers have ever gone before in arguing they have a right to review the conclusions of Mueller’s probe, which is now in its 20th month. “As a matter of fairness, they should show it to you — so we can correct it if they’re wrong,” said the former New York City mayor, who is a member of Trump's personal legal team. “They’re not God, after all. They could be wrong.”The special counsel's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. ** thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-mueller
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 14:14:45 GMT
Pretty remarkable quote: "When I said, 'if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period.' I didnt say that." "Well I said it, but I meant something else entirely." It was a true statement. The deal was that as long as the insurance companies offered that plan and didn’t didn’t change any of the terms and conditions you could keep that insurance. But some insurance companies decided to make changes to the t&c or quit offering that particular plan so folks would have to move to the new plan that met the ACA requirements. Just like if you like your doctor you can keep him or her, you could as long as the insurance company continued to offer the plan that included your doctor. The point was the ACA was not going to force you to change your plan or doctor as long as the insurance companies continued to offer those particular plans.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 11, 2019 14:19:01 GMT
WTF Lindsey Graham. has he always been this batsh!t crazy? or does someone, somewhere have something on him? Yup! Or: How does Lindsey Graham make money from building the wall? No one is that loyal. Either someone has dirt on him, or he'll profit from the wall. Or both. Doesn’t it seem that graham has made a big change in his alliance with trump? I thought when McCain was alive graham was a lot more negative towards Trump. Now he is one of his biggest supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 14:19:14 GMT
But yet you just couldn’t help yourself, you just had to come on this thread with a snarky remark about how Pelosi looked, which makes you no better then the ones you single out. Once again, your handslap is worth absolutely zero when your outrage depends only on who said it. It was stating the obvious. As long as you continue to act the same way as those you criticize, you are just like them.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 11, 2019 14:35:55 GMT
Pretty remarkable quote: "When I said, 'if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period.' I didnt say that." "Well I said it, but I meant something else entirely." It was a true statement. The deal was that as long as the insurance companies offered that plan and didn’t didn’t change any of the terms and conditions you could keep that insurance. But some insurance companies decided to make changes to the t&c or quit offering that particular plan so folks would have to move to the new plan that met the ACA requirements. Just like if you like your doctor you can keep him or her, you could as long as the insurance company continued to offer the plan that included your doctor. The point was the ACA was not going to force you to change your plan or doctor as long as the insurance companies continued to offer those particular plans. Exactly. Also, employers can decide which plan they want each year. Obama had no control over whether or not an employer kept the same policy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:01:38 GMT
linkFox is running this story about AOC’s campaign being fined for not having Workers Comp insurance for her employees for a month. But that’s not the part that caught my attention. This did.. ”The owners blamed the minimum wage hike for the closure. “The rents are very high and now the minimum wage is going up and we have a huge number of employees,” Charles Milite told the New York Post last month.” As much as people go on about giving folks a living wage, they are ignoring the elephant in the room. “The rents are very high”. In my neck of the woods you read about small businesses that have been around for decades being forced to close because of huge rent increases. Folks are being forced to move farther away from their jobs because they can no longer afford the rent of apartments closer to their job. Even with rent control, landlords are finding ways to jack up the rents. The cost of buying a home is out of reach for many. The fact is, even as people make higher wages, landlords and folks selling their homes are going to jack up their rent/price to get as much as they can creating a set of problems no one seems to know how to handle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:16:39 GMT
trump...
”I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!”
Forget the fact he is lying, it’s just so interesting to watch how he twists things to try and justify what he says or means. But scary at the same time since he is the president.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 11, 2019 15:37:42 GMT
trump... ”I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!” Forget the fact he is lying, it’s just so interesting to watch how he twists things to try and justify what he says or means. But scary at the same time since he is the president. Trump "truths" are a lot more malleable. Real ones, not so much.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2019 15:47:23 GMT
Doesn’t it seem that graham has made a big change in his alliance with trump? I thought when McCain was alive graham was a lot more negative towards Trump. Now he is one of his biggest supporters. A while ago they were playing the videos of Graham calling dt a kook and assorted other things. I do think he has gone off the rails without McCain around. He was heading there before and was not asked to participate in the funeral, that we know of anyway.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 16:14:54 GMT
To go along with Kellyanne's 'Alternative facts" and Giulanai's "Truth is not the truth" Exclusive: Trump team should be allowed to ‘correct’ final Mueller report, says GiulianiBY NIALL STANAGE - 01/11/19 08:55 AM EST Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it. The claim, made in a telephone interview with The Hill on Thursday evening, goes further than the president’s legal advisers have ever gone before in arguing they have a right to review the conclusions of Mueller’s probe, which is now in its 20th month. “As a matter of fairness, they should show it to you — so we can correct it if they’re wrong,” said the former New York City mayor, who is a member of Trump's personal legal team. “They’re not God, after all. They could be wrong.”The special counsel's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. ** thehill.com/homenews/administration/424871-exclusive-trump-team-should-be-allowed-to-correct-final-muellerSo they think they’re God? ?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 16:16:19 GMT
Pretty remarkable quote: "When I said, 'if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. Period.' I didnt say that." "Well I said it, but I meant something else entirely." It was a true statement. The deal was that as long as the insurance companies offered that plan and didn’t didn’t change any of the terms and conditions you could keep that insurance. But some insurance companies decided to make changes to the t&c or quit offering that particular plan so folks would have to move to the new plan that met the ACA requirements. Just like if you like your doctor you can keep him or her, you could as long as the insurance company continued to offer the plan that included your doctor. The point was the ACA was not going to force you to change your plan or doctor as long as the insurance companies continued to offer those particular plans. You should know that the facts and full context don’t matter to ricky resident troll. They never have.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 16:22:15 GMT
Yup! Or: How does Lindsey Graham make money from building the wall? No one is that loyal. Either someone has dirt on him, or he'll profit from the wall. Or both. Doesn’t it seem that graham has made a big change in his alliance with trump? I thought when McCain was alive graham was a lot more negative towards Trump. Now he is one of his biggest supporters. It scares the crap out of me as to how complicit the republicans and GOP are to the motherfucker. They have literally and figuratively pledged their allegiances to him. If any other president would have done a fraction of what is going on now, it would not have gone over at all. Which makes one wonder who “owns” America and who this administration is indebted to. While I fully believe trump is doing this to reverse laws, regulations, sanctions, and work with known foes for his own personal gain after he leaves, and doesn’t give a shit about anything but that—it is still frightening as to what state he leaves America. The division and hatred he has worked daily to infect people with and rally up the scum and bottom feeders is disturbing. (All because he knows it won’t affect him upon leaving)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
This is frightening!! Ex-DOJ lawyer: I felt we used 'the law to legitimize' Trump liesBY ARIS FOLLEY - 01/11/19 09:33 AM EST A lawyer who worked in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel under the Trump administration writes in a new Washington Post op-ed that she sometimes felt that she and her colleagues were “using the law to legitimize lies” made by President Trump. “Lawyers at OLC wear many hats, but their most significant role comes in advising the White House on the legality of proposed actions, including executive orders, proclamations and other presidential documents,” Erica Newland, a former attorney adviser at Justice, wrote in The Washington Post. “When OLC approves orders such as the travel ban, it goes over the list of planned presidential actions with a fine-toothed comb, making sure that not a hair is out of line. It is this work that gives OLC its reputation as home to some of the federal government’s finest attorneys,” Newland continued. “But when it comes to the president’s findings about the state of the world, OLC generally defers to the president.” Newland noted that such deference proceeds from the assumption that Trump, as president, is "acting consistent with Article II of the Constitution and with his oath of office, both of which require that he ‘faithfully’ execute the laws.”
“That means he has a constitutional duty to act honestly and in the public interest. OLC’s deference is also born of a recognition that its lawyers are not equipped to be sophisticated fact-finders,” she continued. Newland wrote that while working at OLC, she saw “again and again how the decision to trust the president failed the office’s attorneys, the Justice Department and the American people.” “The failure took different forms. Sometimes, we just wouldn’t look that closely at the claims the president was making about the state of the world. When we did look closely, we could give only nudges,” Newland wrote. “For example, if I identified a claim by the president that was provably false, I would ask the White House to supply a fig leaf of supporting evidence. Or if the White House’s justification for taking an action reeked of unconstitutional animus, I would suggest a less pungent framing or better tailoring of the actions described in the order. “I often wondered, though, whether my attempts to remove the most basic inaccuracies from the face of a presidential order meant that I was myself failing to carry out my oath to protect and defend the Constitution,” she continued. “After all, the president had already submitted, through his early drafts or via Twitter, his reasons for issuing a particular order. I sometimes felt that, rather than engaging in professionally responsible advocacy, my OLC colleagues and I were using the law to legitimize lies.” ** More at link: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/424886-ex-doj-lawyer-i-felt-we-used-the-law-to-legitimize-trump-lies
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 16:26:21 GMT
It was a true statement. The deal was that as long as the insurance companies offered that plan and didn’t didn’t change any of the terms and conditions you could keep that insurance. But some insurance companies decided to make changes to the t&c or quit offering that particular plan so folks would have to move to the new plan that met the ACA requirements. Just like if you like your doctor you can keep him or her, you could as long as the insurance company continued to offer the plan that included your doctor. The point was the ACA was not going to force you to change your plan or doctor as long as the insurance companies continued to offer those particular plans. Exactly. Also, employers can decide which plan they want each year. Obama had no control over whether or not an employer kept the same policy. Years ago we had a discussion about this same thing. It was a gaslighting point for republican/conservatives then too—still using it after all these years, even knowing how they fling it out there is just simply and factually not true. The ACA is a decent plan, good start to help everyone get and keep needed health insurance rather than our insurance companies dictate our health care. Once the ACA was implemented, insurance companies started changing the rules, lessening coverage, cutting groups of people out, excluding elderly, sick, handicapped. The insurance companies fucked over the people and the ACA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 17:15:23 GMT
linkFox is running this story about AOC’s campaign being fined for not having Workers Comp insurance for her employees for a month. But that’s not the part that caught my attention. This did.. ”The owners blamed the minimum wage hike for the closure. “The rents are very high and now the minimum wage is going up and we have a huge number of employees,” Charles Milite told the New York Post last month.” As much as people go on about giving folks a living wage, they are ignoring the elephant in the room. “The rents are very high”. In my neck of the woods you read about small businesses that have been around for decades being forced to close because of huge rent increases. Folks are being forced to move farther away from their jobs because they can no longer afford the rent of apartments closer to their job. Even with rent control, landlords are finding ways to jack up the rents. The cost of buying a home is out of reach for many. The fact is, even as people make higher wages, landlords and folks selling their homes are going to jack up their rent/price to get as much as they can creating a set of problems no one seems to know how to handle. Sad but interesting. We moved to FL because 8 years ago it was inexpensive compared to the tri-state area. But our Social Security checks have barely increased in all of this time, and the rents here (even in undesirable areas) are rising every year. It's no longer affordable. Finding full time jobs here have been almost impossible & no health benefits are ever offered. Those things that people count on just to get by are getting much harder to attain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 17:28:02 GMT
Lindsey Graham is telling trump to declare the national emergency. I feel sick. My post-election optimism is waning. I can't stomach how ridiculous all of this is. I'm trying to figure out if he can actually direct the allocation and spending of any money before any court proceedings that this may lead to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 17:35:28 GMT
My heart hurts for every person who is not going to receive their paycheck today. I've been in the position of not knowing how I was going to pay the bills and it's terrifying! Call McConnell's KY office. His DC voicemail is full.
Remind them we are all constituents of the Senate Maj Leader.
Demand that the gov't be reopened. Remind McConnell that the Senate is part of a co-equal Congress not a subordinate of the executive office.adr: Federal Building, 241 East Main Street - Room 102, Bowling Green, KY 42101 ph: (270) 781-1673
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Post by grammadee on Jan 11, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
HAD to share this with you gals:
This morning while my dd was reading her news feed, she began expressing her reaction to DT's possible plan to take money from disaster relief and apply it to building his wall.
Her five year old asked a bunch of questions, and after being told about how the wall was going to stop refugees from south & central America to enter the US for the chance at freedom and peace, dgs reached for his phone (an old one they use to stream kids' videos) and asked for "Donald Trump's number". He wanted to TEXT DT, saying "Seriously, Guy? Seriously?"
Out of the mouths of babes...
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Post by hop2 on Jan 11, 2019 18:20:29 GMT
The only thing I remember people ( here) saying about SHS physical appearance was that she did a damn good Smokey eye eyeshadow. That was long ago, surely not anywhere in this thread! Oh Oh, is he trying to bring forth that dt is really and truly unstable and they might do the 25 thing?!?!?! That the former presidents have been on TV talking to him personally? Yes, not this thread, but did I miss a comment about SHS physical appearance? I’ve seen her called a liar and her actions make people angry but if there was a comment about her physical appearance I didn’t see it. Possible I missed it It’s just that I’ve seen people be reasonably careful not to speak about her appearance where as people talk about Trumps physical appearance all the time.
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Post by thundergal on Jan 11, 2019 18:52:38 GMT
My heart hurts for every person who is not going to receive their paycheck today. I've been in the position of not knowing how I was going to pay the bills and it's terrifying! Call McConnell's KY office. His DC voicemail is full.
Remind them we are all constituents of the Senate Maj Leader.
Demand that the gov't be reopened. Remind McConnell that the Senate is part of a co-equal Congress not a subordinate of the executive office.adr: Federal Building, 241 East Main Street - Room 102, Bowling Green, KY 42101 ph: (270) 781-1673 Done...thank you for that number.
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Post by thundergal on Jan 11, 2019 18:56:04 GMT
As much as I loathe trump, I can't being myself to comment on his appearance. It's low-level unimportant gibberish compared to the off-the-charts imperative issues we are facing daily because of him and the GOP Congress. Even short and simple references to him as "orange" are distracting to me. There are far too many other things to focus on, and none of them have to do with what he looks like.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 11, 2019 19:00:29 GMT
That was long ago, surely not anywhere in this thread!Oh Oh, is he trying to bring forth that dt is really and truly unstable and they might do the 25 thing?!?!?! That the former presidents have been on TV talking to him personally? Yes, not this thread, but did I miss a comment about SHS physical appearance? I’ve seen her called a liar and her actions make people angry but if there was a comment about her physical appearance I didn’t see it. Possible I missed it It’s just that I’ve seen people be reasonably careful not to speak about her appearance where as people talk about Trumps physical appearance all the time. I didn’t say anything about physical attributes or the like. I only made the comparison of how ricky tells fake/alternative/lies like Sarah Huckabee. But I think, given ricky history that she’s moving the goalposts. But I hadn’t seen much of anything about Sarah here, I the insult of Nancy was by ricky.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2019 19:04:41 GMT
Yes, not this thread, but did I miss a comment about SHS physical appearance? I’ve seen her called a liar and her actions make people angry but if there was a comment about her physical appearance I didn’t see it. It was comments by ricky about Nancy Pelosi's physical appearance using as an excuse long ago comments about SHS... Any Comments made about SHS were LONG LONG ago, and not on this thread! You have missed nothing!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 11, 2019 19:13:41 GMT
Yes, not this thread, but did I miss a comment about SHS physical appearance? I’ve seen her called a liar and her actions make people angry but if there was a comment about her physical appearance I didn’t see it. It was comments by ricky about Nancy Pelosi's physical appearance using as an excuse long ago comments about SHS... Any Comments made about SHS were LONG LONG ago, and not on this thread! You have missed nothing! the comment was made by Michelle Wolff at LAST YEAR'S WH correspondent's dinner, I believe- and it was some veiled comment about SHS's 'smoky eye' makeup in reference to her behavior somehow; it was NOT meant as a jab at her appearance.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 11, 2019 19:32:41 GMT
you know what? I think maybe Trump SHOULD declare a national emergency for his stupid wall.
Because then, in 2021 when a Democratic President takes office, THEY can declare a national emergency to finally take care of gun control. And one for climate change... and no one will be able to say a THING about it, because the precedent will have been set!
Let's see-- what else? Those are two biggest crises I can think of right now. (other than the crisis around finally getting him out of office, of course.)
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 11, 2019 19:46:14 GMT
Trevor Noah on The Daily Show was HILARIOUS tonight—a must see—I was laughing so hard I peed a little!! ☺️😝☺️ youtu.be/HMqCnHq2-q8It’s especially funny at the 5:50 mark and a Must SEE at 9:45. OMG the weather forecast
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2019 20:16:59 GMT
Nancy looked insane during her rebuttal. Her Ramona eyes were about to pop out of her head. crimsoncat05 This is where it all started the other day............
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