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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 23, 2019 2:17:30 GMT
Won’t let a gay kid speak at graduation, citing “political” speech.
Lets a bunch of kids go to a political rally wearing MAGA hats and wild out.
Which one of these is “consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church?”
This school. Throw the whole thing away.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2019 3:28:22 GMT
Won’t let a gay kid speak at graduation, citing “political” speech. Lets a bunch of kids go to a political rally wearing MAGA hats and wild out. Which one of these is “consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church?” This school. Throw the whole thing away. THEY must be so proud of themselves! From the article: The Priest who was on earlier today, I posted up thread, had stated that the maga hats made their actions political and should not have been worn at all. He said marching for life was ok, but they ignored that life also includes Christian beliefs/actions, acceptance, helping/supporting immigrants. Wearing the hats meant they did not support ALL life!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 6:27:30 GMT
That video shows nothing, We don't know what they're saying, we don't know what she and her friends said before they started recording. No matter what someone claims happened, an 8 second video with no context does not prove anything one way or the other. And you just keep on whitewashing. It doesn’t matter in this instance if it’s 8 seconds or 8 years... Shouting out that “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” 100% confirms their mindset/mentality and how they’ll go on...this school is a breeding ground for the Future Brett Kavanaugh’s... No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 6:30:45 GMT
I can agree that it wasn't the same as a school sporting event, but they seem to have taken the same enthusiasm along with them and acted in a way they are used to when showing support and spirit. IF that's the case, that's far different than "terrorizing" a Native American. You don’t get to decide whether Mr. Phillip was terrorized or not—HE does. And I think he described how he felt during the incident from his perspective. You don’t get to decide if his first person experience is accurate or not. Yes I actually do get to decide what I think about it and share it here too. Done and done.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 23, 2019 8:33:15 GMT
And you just keep on whitewashing. It doesn’t matter in this instance if it’s 8 seconds or 8 years... Shouting out that “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” 100% confirms their mindset/mentality and how they’ll go on...this school is a breeding ground for the Future Brett Kavanaugh’s... No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them. If the girls had been the ones to instigate the remarks in the video you refer to, they would be laughing or smirking themselves that they had got such a reaction. It was perfectly clear by the surprise on the girls’ faces that they were shocked to be spoken to like that. Also, if they were the instigators they would likely have responded. The video the other Pea referred to is certainly pertinent to this entire scenario because it shows the boorish, loutish behaviour of the boys, behaviour the boys are clearly comfortable with and which is totally unacceptable in civilised society.
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Post by sunshine on Jan 23, 2019 11:36:05 GMT
Some random nobody set this entire explosion in motion by posting a few seconds of a video which did not tell the entire story.
Our media jumped on this so fast, they chose to not even dig for the entire story. They have perpetuated this frenzy.
Some celebrities, in an attempt to appear connected with the common folks, have put out dangerous calls for action against the kids and their school which the fans are squealing over and applauding.
This is insane.
When our media, and the people, are ONLY hanging on to the actions of the boys, and all but ignoring the absolutely racist hate spewed by the Black Hebrew Israelites which led to the confrontation in the first place, we as a country are in a sad and scary place.
So the second video? I'll wait for some responsible outlet (if there are any left) to get to the bottom of the entire story, so we can see what really happened. The picture of Prince William upthread giving the middle finger, but not really, is a great example of why the full picture is important.
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Post by Merge on Jan 23, 2019 11:43:23 GMT
Won’t let a gay kid speak at graduation, citing “political” speech. Lets a bunch of kids go to a political rally wearing MAGA hats and wild out. Which one of these is “consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church?” This school. Throw the whole thing away. THEY must be so proud of themselves! From the article: The Priest who was on earlier today, I posted up thread, had stated that the maga hats made their actions political and should not have been worn at all. He said marching for life was ok, but they ignored that life also includes Christian beliefs/actions, acceptance, helping/supporting immigrants. Wearing the hats meant they did not support ALL life! Pffft. Those boys, like most of the other Catholic school students bussed in for the event, were on a super fun field trip funded by the Catholic Church to further their brainwashing and make the numbers at the march look bigger. I guarantee you 95% of them have no idea of the issues surrounding the abortion debate or any other "life" issues because it doesn't affect them. And I can also state confidently, from personal experience growing up, that those parents would never let their offspring be saddled with an accidental baby that might impede their sons' rise to success. There would be a quiet procedure for the girl in a nice doctor's office. Because when they set out to control women's bodies, they don't mean their own women. They mean poor women and the evil horde of liberal baby killers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:58:21 GMT
Let's start with the black face and white clown lips. You only have to go about 20 seconds in to see the video evidence of the photos that have been posted everywhere. Here's another video of one of those kind, sympathetic, upstanding young men in DC yelling "it's not rape if you enjoy it." I'm not assigning the odd statement from one kid in an 8 second video with no other context to ALL of the boys. You don't know what he's responding to or why. Considering what the Black Hebrew Israelites were saying to the students, it could have been a sarcastic response to some of the hateful things those Black Hebrew Israelites were spewing at the Native Americans and then the students. Very likely the case, but with only 8 seconds of video clipped just to highlight what the student said, it doesn't back up the case against the students. I also can't help but think that the picture of black painted bodies, much like the picture of Prince William flipping off reporters is not actually what is happening. I find it hard to believe that the school would allow them even in the sporting event, much less front and center, if they were in actual blackface. I think it might be more a case of a spirit day like the blue out theme, the nerd theme, the businessman theme, the blackout theme, the white out theme, among others that they showed. It's indisputably clear when you look at Prince William that he's flipping off the reporters. Except, oops! When you get the rest of the story (a different angle of Prince William) you see that isn't the case. Just like when we see the entire video vs. the conveniently edited clip, we see that the Native American, Nathan Phillips's claim that they approached and surrounded him is a flat out lie. What is his agenda?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 13:36:55 GMT
Yes. Very respectful.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2019 14:54:09 GMT
MAGA hats don't belong on a Catholic school tripBy Father Edward Beck opnion Updated 12:08 AM ET, Wed January 23, 2019 (CNN)In a recent tweet of mine that went viral I made three simple points about the now infamous "Covington boys" incident in Washington DC: 1. The boys acted inappropriately. 2. Chaperones should have intervened. 3. The boys should not have been permitted to wear MAGA hats if they were representing the school. I welcome this opportunity to expound on these comments in more than the 280 characters that Twitter allows. Respect for our elders is no longer in vogue. Too often, young people are encouraged to speak their own minds indiscriminately, even when not fully developed or sufficiently imbued with the capacity for right judgment. The result of such ill-advice is on display in the now infamous Covington Catholic High School incident in Washington DC. Some have suggested that a full viewing of available video of the incident shows that the students were not the aggressors. So what? It doesn't matter who moved toward whom first. It doesn't matter who provoked the incident. It doesn't matter that some adults may have acted poorly.What seems clear to me is that rather than stand their adolescent ground in a confrontational and seemingly mocking way, the boys should have simply turned away. In fact, in his exclusive interview with NBC's Savannah Guthrie, Nick Sandmann, the student who went face-to-face with Nathan Phillips said as much: "In hindsight I wish we could've walked away and avoided the whole thing." I couldn't agree more. If they felt confronted, he and his classmates should have paid heed to the Christian dictum of "turn the other cheek" rather than to thrust both cheeks into the face of an elder about whom they knew nothing. Boys are seen laughing at and mocking their elder. It is wrong, plain and simple. ** Lastly, I don't think the boys should have been permitted to wear MAGA hats to the March for Life event they attended. The "Make America Great Again" slogan has become political code for an agenda that is often in opposition with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. The boys attended the march representing a Catholic boys' school. Any hat donned should have had the school name or a logo identifying them as participants in the March for Life event -- not a hat with a logo that may suggest stances not in accord with the mission statement of their school. The Catholic Church's pro-life teaching encompasses a panoply of issues such as: abortion, immigration, capital punishment, the environment and climate change, sex trafficking, and the inequitable distribution of the world's resources. Some claim the "MAGA philosophy" is not in accord with church teaching on many of these issues. Teachers and chaperones from the Catholic school should have discouraged students from, however unwittingly, promoting a questionable partisan political agenda. ** www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-hats-dont-belong-on-a-catholic-school-trip-beck/index.html
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2019 15:07:07 GMT
And you just keep on whitewashing. It doesn’t matter in this instance if it’s 8 seconds or 8 years... Shouting out that “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” 100% confirms their mindset/mentality and how they’ll go on...this school is a breeding ground for the Future Brett Kavanaugh’s... No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them. You can continue to ignore it, but I’m not. The other videos of their actions that same day speak to their character. Which isn’t pretty. It’s funny that you say that “there’s too much missing” to decide if these boys are assholes or not, yet you refuse to consider actual live recorded footage showing the world their ugly behaviors. I’m trying to wrap my head around your defense of the black face at the school. It’s a religious school. There were kids in black face. BLACK FACE IS ALWAYS RACIST AND WRONG. If you have kids, you should send them this this school—you’ll fit in just fine.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2019 15:09:33 GMT
You don’t get to decide whether Mr. Phillip was terrorized or not—HE does. And I think he described how he felt during the incident from his perspective. You don’t get to decide if his first person experience is accurate or not. Yes I actually do get to decide what I think about it and share it here too. Done and done. That’s not what I said. I said you don’t get to decide what HE feels, how he felt, his feelings and what he was going through. If he said he felt terrorized you cannot decide for him that he wasn’t. Never said you weren’t entitled to your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:13:53 GMT
No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them. You can continue to ignore it, but I’m not. The other videos of their actions that same day speak to their character. Which isn’t pretty. I didn't ignore it, I addressed it, head on in another post.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2019 15:18:15 GMT
And you just keep on whitewashing. It doesn’t matter in this instance if it’s 8 seconds or 8 years... Shouting out that “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” 100% confirms their mindset/mentality and how they’ll go on...this school is a breeding ground for the Future Brett Kavanaugh’s... No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them. What she and her friends said? Are you fucking serious? You really think it matters what those girls said first (or if anything at all) for a boys response to be “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:20:19 GMT
Yes I actually do get to decide what I think about it and share it here too. Done and done. That’s not what I said. I said you don’t get to decide what HE feels, how he felt, his feelings and what he was going through. If he said he felt terrorized you cannot decide for him that he wasn’t. Never said you weren’t entitled to your opinion. I stated my opinion here and didn't tell him how to feel, so it's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:21:47 GMT
No one said that in the video being referenced, so it doesn't pertain to my comment. We still don't know what she and her friends said to the boys and THEN started recording. There's too much missing to make it useful in any way at all in making a case against the boys or for them. What she and her friends said? Are you fucking serious? You really think it matters what those girls said first (or if anything at all) for a boys response to be “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” That wasn't in the video with the girls. Those were two different videos.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 23, 2019 15:29:09 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 23, 2019 15:35:39 GMT
This all would have played out so very differently if the kids had been 'brown' and the person praying was a Catholic priest wearing a collar and a crucifix, wouldn't it? I think the discussion people would probably be having would be QUITE different if that had been the case, which tells me the fact that the gentleman is Native American (i.e., he looked 'brown' or 'other') is one of the main factors that made the kids somehow feel like it was okay to treat him the way they did. And that to me, is at the VERY least, pretty close to the racist line.
Racist or not (I'm not going to even go there right now), they were disrespectful, ignorant, and intolerant- with all the jeering and heckling- of someone else's religion and form of prayer. But somehow, now THE KIDS are the ones who have been wronged by the media in all this? Give me a break.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:51:17 GMT
This all would have played out so very differently if the kids had been 'brown' and the person praying was a Catholic priest wearing a collar and a crucifix, wouldn't it? Yes, I think it would have. If the kids hadn't been wearing MAGA hats the response wouldn't have been to ignore the adults part in this and "yes, but" the kids into being threatened with violence and actually terrorizing a kid and his family who weren't even there.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 23, 2019 16:12:32 GMT
THEY must be so proud of themselves! From the article: The Priest who was on earlier today, I posted up thread, had stated that the maga hats made their actions political and should not have been worn at all. He said marching for life was ok, but they ignored that life also includes Christian beliefs/actions, acceptance, helping/supporting immigrants. Wearing the hats meant they did not support ALL life! Pffft. Those boys, like most of the other Catholic school students bussed in for the event, were on a super fun field trip funded by the Catholic Church to further their brainwashing and make the numbers at the march look bigger. I guarantee you 95% of them have no idea of the issues surrounding the abortion debate or any other "life" issues because it doesn't affect them. And I can also state confidently, from personal experience growing up, that those parents would never let their offspring be saddled with an accidental baby that might impede their sons' rise to success. There would be a quiet procedure for the girl in a nice doctor's office. Because when they set out to control women's bodies, they don't mean their own women. They mean poor women and the evil horde of liberal baby killers. I would just like to point out that for *my kids* catholic school, that DC trip is fully funded by the kids and the parents. The diocese isn’t paying for it. None of our students went this year because there was either no interest, or not enough funds. I can pretty much guarantee that if it were funded by the diocese every student in the school would have attended. And that is for sure not the case. Last year there were maybe 20 kids that went. I can’t speak on how well they understand the debate around abortion. I do know that they are taught that abortion is a sin, because it’s a catholic school. 😉. But, I do not know how much this is emphasized or what they are saying to the students as my children do not yet attend the middle and high school, and this is not covered in the elementary school. I can say that I know one of the young ladies who attended the trip last year. She is vehemently pro life, and has a well thought out argument to back up her position (it was the topic of her senior church project (I forget the name of the project)). I suspect quite a few of the students who go on this trip also have well thought out rationale for their beliefs. And then of course you have other kids who are just going along with the pack, regurgitating the church’s platforms, or those who went so that they could experience everything else in Washington DC. As to whether or not the girls would have some hurt procedure, I think that depends more on the families. Some families will go for the abortion. Some other families will have the baby and raise it, others will put up for adoption. I know one particular man’s family (he’s actually a local politician) decided to pay off the girl to keep the whole thing quiet so that this guys political dreams didn’t get squandered. I find that particular story to be incredibly slimy. But all of that happens in the public school systems too. It’s not solely happening in the private/religious schools.
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Post by Merge on Jan 23, 2019 16:26:39 GMT
Pffft. Those boys, like most of the other Catholic school students bussed in for the event, were on a super fun field trip funded by the Catholic Church to further their brainwashing and make the numbers at the march look bigger. I guarantee you 95% of them have no idea of the issues surrounding the abortion debate or any other "life" issues because it doesn't affect them. And I can also state confidently, from personal experience growing up, that those parents would never let their offspring be saddled with an accidental baby that might impede their sons' rise to success. There would be a quiet procedure for the girl in a nice doctor's office. Because when they set out to control women's bodies, they don't mean their own women. They mean poor women and the evil horde of liberal baby killers. I would just like to point out that for *my kids* catholic school, that DC trip is fully funded by the kids and the parents. The diocese isn’t paying for it. None of our students went this year because there was either no interest, or not enough funds. I can pretty much guarantee that if it were funded by the diocese every student in the school would have attended. And that is for sure not the case. Last year there were maybe 20 kids that went. I can’t speak on how well they understand the debate around abortion. I do know that they are taught that abortion is a sin, because it’s a catholic school. 😉. But, I do not know how much this is emphasized or what they are saying to the students as my children do not yet attend the middle and high school, and this is not covered in the elementary school. I can say that I know one of the young ladies who attended the trip last year. She is vehemently pro life, and has a well thought out argument to back up her position (it was the topic of her senior church project (I forget the name of the project)). I suspect quite a few of the students who go on this trip also have well thought out rationale for their beliefs. And then of course you have other kids who are just going along with the pack, regurgitating the church’s platforms, or those who went so that they could experience everything else in Washington DC. As to whether or not the girls would have some hurt procedure, I think that depends more on the families. Some families will go for the abortion. Some other families will have the baby and raise it, others will put up for adoption. I know one particular man’s family (he’s actually a local politician) decided to pay off the girl to keep the whole thing quiet so that this guys political dreams didn’t get squandered. I find that particular story to be incredibly slimy. But all of that happens in the public school systems too. It’s not solely happening in the private/religious schools. I didn't say that it wasn't happening in the public schools. But the public schools aren't organizing field trips to protest the behavior. Regardless of who pays for it, the diocese are promoting and encouraging these trips and, at least in some cases, helping fund the trip. Specific to the wealthier schools, the families may opt for the abortion as you said, or they may choose to keep the baby or adopt it out. But these are families with means to so whatever they choose. These are not families where a daughter will have to abandon her education due to pregnancy or a son will leave school to work to support his unplanned child. The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. No young person who lives in privilege is making an informed argument in the abortion debate. They simply have no idea what the consequences are for people who don't look like them.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 23, 2019 16:38:53 GMT
I would just like to point out that for *my kids* catholic school, that DC trip is fully funded by the kids and the parents. The diocese isn’t paying for it. None of our students went this year because there was either no interest, or not enough funds. I can pretty much guarantee that if it were funded by the diocese every student in the school would have attended. And that is for sure not the case. Last year there were maybe 20 kids that went. I can’t speak on how well they understand the debate around abortion. I do know that they are taught that abortion is a sin, because it’s a catholic school. 😉. But, I do not know how much this is emphasized or what they are saying to the students as my children do not yet attend the middle and high school, and this is not covered in the elementary school. I can say that I know one of the young ladies who attended the trip last year. She is vehemently pro life, and has a well thought out argument to back up her position (it was the topic of her senior church project (I forget the name of the project)). I suspect quite a few of the students who go on this trip also have well thought out rationale for their beliefs. And then of course you have other kids who are just going along with the pack, regurgitating the church’s platforms, or those who went so that they could experience everything else in Washington DC. As to whether or not the girls would have some hurt procedure, I think that depends more on the families. Some families will go for the abortion. Some other families will have the baby and raise it, others will put up for adoption. I know one particular man’s family (he’s actually a local politician) decided to pay off the girl to keep the whole thing quiet so that this guys political dreams didn’t get squandered. I find that particular story to be incredibly slimy. But all of that happens in the public school systems too. It’s not solely happening in the private/religious schools. I didn't say that it wasn't happening in the public schools. But the public schools aren't organizing field trips to protest the behavior. Regardless of who pays for it, the diocese are promoting and encouraging these trips and, at least in some cases, helping fund the trip. Specific to the wealthier schools, the families may opt for the abortion as you said, or they may choose to keep the baby or adopt it out. But these are families with means to so whatever they choose. These are not families where a daughter will have to abandon her education due to pregnancy or a son will leave school to work to support his unplanned child. The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. No young person who lives in privilege is making an informed argument in the abortion debate. They simply have no idea what the consequences are for people who don't look like them. Not everyone who is attending a private school is there because of means. About 1/3 of the students in our school system are there on scholarship. I suspect that is the case for a lot of the catholic schools in our area. You are painting the students who attend private and/or religious schools with a very broad brush, and making a lot of generalizations that I’m not comfortable with. I’m not trying to argue with you, just showing an alternative viewpoint. And I completely agree with this: “The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. ”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2019 16:48:59 GMT
Let's start with the black face and white clown lips. You only have to go about 20 seconds in to see the video evidence of the photos that have been posted everywhere. Here's another video of one of those kind, sympathetic, upstanding young men in DC yelling "it's not rape if you enjoy it." I'm not assigning the odd statement from one kid in an 8 second video with no other context to ALL of the boys. You don't know what he's responding to or why. Considering what the Black Hebrew Israelites were saying to the students, it could have been a sarcastic response to some of the hateful things those Black Hebrew Israelites were spewing at the Native Americans and then the students. Very likely the case, but with only 8 seconds of video clipped just to highlight what the student said, it doesn't back up the case against the students. I also can't help but think that the picture of black painted bodies, much like the picture of Prince William flipping off reporters is not actually what is happening. I find it hard to believe that the school would allow them even in the sporting event, much less front and center, if they were in actual blackface. I think it might be more a case of a spirit day like the blue out theme, the nerd theme, the businessman theme, the blackout theme, the white out theme, among others that they showed. It's indisputably clear when you look at Prince William that he's flipping off the reporters. Except, oops! When you get the rest of the story (a different angle of Prince William) you see that isn't the case. Just like when we see the entire video vs. the conveniently edited clip, we see that the Native American, Nathan Phillips's claim that they approached and surrounded him is a flat out lie. What is his agenda? What she and her friends said? Are you fucking serious? You really think it matters what those girls said first (or if anything at all) for a boys response to be “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” That wasn't in the video with the girls. Those were two different videos. Then let’s address your statement regarding “it’s more of a them school spirit type of thing” regarding the students being proud and thinking it’s okay for black face. The photo shows them in black face. And you are white washing it to being something else. BLACK FSCE US NEVER OKAY. It’s not funny. It’s offensive. It’s racist. Peas keep pointing out all these offensive instances WITH THIS SAME school—videos, previous student experiences , the priest from the diocese saying they were wrong—-and you continue to gloss over, make excuses for them—-this is exactly what’s wrong today—not holding certain people accountable for their actions.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2019 16:52:09 GMT
This all would have played out so very differently if the kids had been 'brown' and the person praying was a Catholic priest wearing a collar and a crucifix, wouldn't it? Yes, I think it would have. If the kids hadn't been wearing MAGA hats the response wouldn't have been to ignore the adults part in this and "yes, but" the kids into being threatened with violence and actually terrorizing a kid and his family who weren't even there. I disagree. I didn’t even notice the maga hats when I first saw all this stuff go down. Those who keep insisting that they are being persecuted for their political view/maga hats are just gaslighting the narrative to paint them as innocent victims. It’s gross and appalling.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 23, 2019 17:02:09 GMT
Racist or not (I'm not going to even go there right now), they were disrespectful, ignorant, and intolerant- with all the jeering and heckling- of someone else's religion and form of prayer. But somehow, now THE KIDS are the ones who have been wronged by the media in all this? Give me a break. and it looks like the provocative caption re: "MAGA loser gleefully bothering Native American protester" was for some reason tweeted by a Twitter user named @2020fight, who is a Trump supporter? sowing divisiveness and chaos... Putin and the Russians are probably continuing to congratulate themselves on their victory with the continuing disinformation campaigns that are going on here in the US. And the 2020 election season is barely even underway.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 23, 2019 17:17:30 GMT
What she and her friends said? Are you fucking serious? You really think it matters what those girls said first (or if anything at all) for a boys response to be “it’s not rape if you enjoyed it” That wasn't in the video with the girls. Those were two different videos. So...that makes the statement less disgusting? How would you have felt if someone jokingly threatened rape? Make no mistake - that wasn't the first time that little jerk uttered that in an attempt to silence a woman. And you defend it. I wonder what you'd be saying if this was a group of young black men harassing caucasians.
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Post by Merge on Jan 23, 2019 17:28:43 GMT
I didn't say that it wasn't happening in the public schools. But the public schools aren't organizing field trips to protest the behavior. Regardless of who pays for it, the diocese are promoting and encouraging these trips and, at least in some cases, helping fund the trip. Specific to the wealthier schools, the families may opt for the abortion as you said, or they may choose to keep the baby or adopt it out. But these are families with means to so whatever they choose. These are not families where a daughter will have to abandon her education due to pregnancy or a son will leave school to work to support his unplanned child. The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. No young person who lives in privilege is making an informed argument in the abortion debate. They simply have no idea what the consequences are for people who don't look like them. Not everyone who is attending a private school is there because of means. About 1/3 of the students in our school system are there on scholarship. I suspect that is the case for a lot of the catholic schools in our area. You are painting the students who attend private and/or religious schools with a very broad brush, and making a lot of generalizations that I’m not comfortable with. I’m not trying to argue with you, just showing an alternative viewpoint. And I completely agree with this: “The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. ” I'm sorry if I offended you. The brush I'm using is the one from my own experience, which seems to apply in this case because the school has been described as an elite, wealthy school. Where I grew up there were two kinds of Catholic schools: the regular parochial schools, which were less expensive and did give scholarships to lots of lower income kids, and the elite, gender-segregated prep schools, which were very expensive and generally only offered scholarships to those needed to strengthen their sports teams. That was where rich families sent their kids to keep them away from the riffraff. I believe Covington to be the second type of school based on what I've read. That's the only basis for my generalizations.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 23, 2019 18:50:17 GMT
Not everyone who is attending a private school is there because of means. About 1/3 of the students in our school system are there on scholarship. I suspect that is the case for a lot of the catholic schools in our area. You are painting the students who attend private and/or religious schools with a very broad brush, and making a lot of generalizations that I’m not comfortable with. I’m not trying to argue with you, just showing an alternative viewpoint. And I completely agree with this: “The real effect of anti-abortion laws would not fall most heavily on these families, not only because they can afford to soften the financial blow, but because quiet doctor's office procedures will always be available to the wealthy who want them, even after the clinics who serve poor women are closed. ” I'm sorry if I offended you. The brush I'm using is the one from my own experience, which seems to apply in this case because the school has been described as an elite, wealthy school. Where I grew up there were two kinds of Catholic schools: the regular parochial schools, which were less expensive and did give scholarships to lots of lower income kids, and the elite, gender-segregated prep schools, which were very expensive and generally only offered scholarships to those needed to strengthen their sports teams. That was where rich families sent their kids to keep them away from the riffraff. I believe Covington to be the second type of school based on what I've read. That's the only basis for my generalizations. You are describing me. LOL. Well, you are describing what some people assumed about me and assumed about my parents’ income and motivations, but that’s grist for a whole ‘nother thread. With the additional information that I am also both pro-choice and irretrievably Catholic-lapsed, I still really need help understanding your criticism of a Catholic school sending students to a pro-life march. Why wouldn’t they? Doctrinally, no matter what the income level of their various student bodies, the Church is resolutely pro-life, which extends to capital punishment, euthanasia, immigration, poverty and healthcare. There are just as many arguments to be made about a paucity of student experience with any of those issues, not just with the various desperations that can accompany unwanted pregnancy. (For example, when my Jesuit university organized anti-death penalty activism, the families of the victims of the condemned could also decry our inexperience, but I would hope they wouldn’t automatically assume brainwashing.) Despite several serious misgivings about my own education, I remain thankful that all three orders of nuns and priests who taught me (especially the Jesuits) hammered in the idea that educational and economic privilege is always accompanied by a responsibility to social justice activism. My atheist daughter, who recently graduated from a Jesuit university, also experienced that continuing ethos. That said, I think these boys acted like complete idiots or silent followers. I have argued here that the trip chaperones should have allowed neither the partisan shenanigans nor the behavior. (And I’m not at all surprised that a Catholic priest argued exactly the same in the op-ed upthread.) And I absolutely knew some boys like this growing up (to be fair, along with some much more admirable classmates). But I can’t at all agree that the clear, and probably chronic, failures of this school include pro-life advocacy. (I also can’t begin to assume how many families from the Catholic high schools we’re both describing would easily abandon that theology if their own daughters became pregnant. Well, I know anecdotal stuff, but that’s also another thread...)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 23, 2019 19:01:41 GMT
Yes, I think it would have. If the kids hadn't been wearing MAGA hats the response wouldn't have been to ignore the adults part in this and "yes, but" the kids into being threatened with violence and actually terrorizing a kid and his family who weren't even there. I disagree. I didn’t even notice the maga hats when I first saw all this stuff go down. Those who keep insisting that they are being persecuted for their political view/maga hats are just gaslighting the narrative to paint them as innocent victims. It’s gross and appalling. To me, their behavior is the biggest factor. But I do think differently of them because of the hats. IMO, wearing MAGA clothing is similar to displaying a confederate flag or other racist items. I don't know if dog whistle is the right term for this situation, but they chose to wear the hats for the reason. They are in support of Trump and his policies that are consistent with racist, sexist views. And they want people to know it. People DO take note of that.
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