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Post by sabrinae on Mar 14, 2019 19:45:00 GMT
Being a first generation college student is definitely one of the known criteria colleges and universities look at so I'm not sure why that's an issue or at all equivalent. It is my husband's #1 criteria when comparing candidates who apply to work for him for what I suspect are similar reasons as to why colleges and universities consider it. I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. . It was a common question when I was applying in the late 90s. It is part of an effort to increase diversity. There is also some thought that an education is doing to be greatly valued and worked hard for for first generation students. I’m a first generation college grad myself and went on to get a masters and doctorate level degree
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 14, 2019 19:52:11 GMT
I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. . It was a common question when I was applying in the late 90s. It is part of an effort to increase diversity. There is also some thought that an education is doing to be greatly valued and worked hard for for first generation students. I’m a first generation college grad myself and went on to get a masters and doctorate level degree It's definitely something that is an active engagement issue for law schools/the legal profession right now. You can go on Twitter and look for threads about first-generation folks in law.
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Post by 16joy on Mar 14, 2019 19:52:38 GMT
I absolutely do because my dad had a trade job when he was alive. My parents were not college or juniior college attendees before or after I attended college. We were what I would call middle class.
Personally, I think high schools do a disservice to some students by pushing college. I have a high school friend who is a master plumber and has been making $150,000+ for about 20 years now. A good tradesman is worth their weight in gold.
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 14, 2019 19:58:45 GMT
. It was a common question when I was applying in the late 90s. It is part of an effort to increase diversity. There is also some thought that an education is doing to be greatly valued and worked hard for for first generation students. I’m a first generation college grad myself and went on to get a masters and doctorate level degree It's definitely something that is an active engagement issue for law schools/the legal profession right now. You can go on Twitter and look for threads about first-generation folks in law. I went to law school—have my jd. It was definitely an area of increased recruitment when I was in law school in 2003
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2019 19:59:58 GMT
Some Colleges don't necessarily take only the best students who apply. I know of someone who got into A university while her classmate was denied. They applied to enter the same school within the university. The kid who got the denial letter scored 5 points higher on the ACT, had a much higher gpa than the accepted student, more community service hours, sports (compared to no sports) and orchestra. Both students attended the same $20,000+ school. Both sets of parents are successful and paid for them to go. School had an award winning college counselor who talked to students starting in middle school. The accepted student did check that she was a first generation college student and the other student did not. Is this ok? It also depends on the major you are applying for. The student who has the better grades, scores, etc. might have applied for an impacted major while the other was admitted as undeclared. Some majors have an interview, audition or portfolio review process to get in. That process has nothing to do with test scores or GPA
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Post by idahomom on Mar 14, 2019 20:20:02 GMT
I am wondering about this also. I have a college kid. She went to a college prep high school and started college with 16 credits already. She's very smart, but she's struggling big time in chemistry. So, these rich parents buy their kids' admission into college. Then what?? A good portion of my daughter's grades are attendance - she HAS to attend class and she's allowed to miss only one lab during the semester which she would have to make up. There is a lot of daily class work, tests, labs - how do these rich kids manage all that? A quick look at Olivia Jade's Instagram shows that's she constantly traveling to promos, fashion week, etc. so it wouldn't appear that she's at school much.
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Post by 16joy on Mar 14, 2019 20:25:06 GMT
I'm aware but that wasn't the case. I'm enjoying the car commercial (Nissan or Volvo, I think) where the lady sings and it doesn't seem she takes a breath. I doubt her school cared as much about the traditional scores since she was likely heavily judged on her voice talent
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Post by mustlovecats on Mar 14, 2019 20:27:16 GMT
Being a first generation college student is definitely one of the known criteria colleges and universities look at so I'm not sure why that's an issue or at all equivalent. It is my husband's #1 criteria when comparing candidates who apply to work for him for what I suspect are similar reasons as to why colleges and universities consider it. I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. The world of college admissions and academics has not always been accessible to everyone. Creating access to new generations of kids helps a group of kids get a foot in the door when their families haven’t been able to open that door for them. My kids are growing up with 2 parents who both have advanced degrees. They have their leg up. Other kids don’t have that.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 14, 2019 20:48:20 GMT
Some Colleges don't necessarily take only the best students who apply. I know of someone who got into A university while her classmate was denied. They applied to enter the same school within the university. The kid who got the denial letter scored 5 points higher on the ACT, had a much higher gpa than the accepted student, more community service hours, sports (compared to no sports) and orchestra. Both students attended the same $20,000+ school. Both sets of parents are successful and paid for them to go. School had an award winning college counselor who talked to students starting in middle school. The accepted student did check that she was a first generation college student and the other student did not. Is this ok? My children did not visit this school so I don't know if it was stated you get put in a different decision pool if you're first generation. Friends were shocked when one of their twin sons was accepted and the other rejected from the same engineering program. They seriously thought the transcripts were mixed up because the higher SAT/GPA student was rejected. At least for CA schools, there is so much more that goes into the acceptance decisions. FWIW, I'd make the same decision the college did.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 14, 2019 20:53:13 GMT
I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. The world of college admissions and academics has not always been accessible to everyone. Creating access to new generations of kids helps a group of kids get a foot in the door when their families haven’t been able to open that door for them. My kids are growing up with 2 parents who both have advanced degrees. They have their leg up. Other kids don’t have that. I agree. My parents did not even have a high school diploma. They couldn't help me navigate the college entrance process even if they wanted to, because they had no clue what was involved.. They didn't even know that I had to take certain classes to be admitted in to college. DH's parents are immigrants, didn't have an education, couldn't read English and spoke very little of it. DH and I both have college degrees and are successful in our fields. Our kids would have a greater advantage than we did, no doubt about it.
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 14, 2019 21:16:14 GMT
I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. The world of college admissions and academics has not always been accessible to everyone. Creating access to new generations of kids helps a group of kids get a foot in the door when their families haven’t been able to open that door for them. My kids are growing up with 2 parents who both have advanced degrees. They have their leg up. Other kids don’t have that. l It’s also one of the most effective ways in raising overall education levels and standards of living. My husband and I are both 1st generation graduates. He has a masters and CPA certification and I have a JD and practice law currently. Our kids are in a much better situation to navigate the college/university processes and systems - every thing from which classes and activities to participate in to how to apply to having the financial resources to participate and apply— then we ever were. Our siblings kids also have additional help navigating and participating whether or not our siblings have college educations — because they have family members to help them through the systems.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 14, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
Lori Loughin's daughter has been dropped by Sephora. Oh well. Hallmark has also dropped her and stopped development of all projects with her. The page for her clothing brand, Princess Polly, is no longer active. At this rate, she's probably going to wish she'd actually attended some of those classes at USC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 22:34:23 GMT
Lori Loughin's daughter has been dropped by Sephora. Oh well. Hallmark has also dropped her and stopped development of all projects with her. The page for her clothing brand, Princess Polly, is no longer active. At this rate, she's probably going to wish she'd actually attended some of those classes at USC. Her mom Lori was dropped by Hallmark. I am curious what Duller House, oh I mean Fuller House is going to do...😏
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 22:40:45 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 14, 2019 22:41:24 GMT
TRESSeme has dropped Olivia Jade.
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Post by wellway on Mar 14, 2019 22:45:40 GMT
What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 14, 2019 23:06:53 GMT
Hallmark has also dropped her and stopped development of all projects with her. The page for her clothing brand, Princess Polly, is no longer active. At this rate, she's probably going to wish she'd actually attended some of those classes at USC. Her mom Lori was dropped by Hallmark. I am curious what Duller House, oh I mean Fuller House is going to do...😏 I was just coming to correct my post. You are correct that it was Lori who was dropped by Hallmark.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 14, 2019 23:38:30 GMT
I am wondering about this also. I have a college kid. She went to a college prep high school and started college with 16 credits already. She's very smart, but she's struggling big time in chemistry. So, these rich parents buy their kids' admission into college. Then what?? A good portion of my daughter's grades are attendance - she HAS to attend class and she's allowed to miss only one lab during the semester which she would have to make up. There is a lot of daily class work, tests, labs - how do these rich kids manage all that? A quick look at Olivia Jade's Instagram shows that's she constantly traveling to promos, fashion week, etc. so it wouldn't appear that she's at school much. They don't take difficult classes and they pay people to write their papers for them. When I was in college 30 years ago, my roommate's dad wrote her papers for her. It was disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 23:45:15 GMT
Lori's daughters are dropping out of CSU for fear of bullying. News break, Lori, your daughters would have been kicked out anyway: Lori Loughlin's daughters are not letting USC decide their fate, because they will NOT be returning to the University for fear of bullying ... sources connected to both daughters tell TMZ. We're told 19-year-old Olivia and 20-year-old Isabella have made the decision to withdraw from the University. Our sources say they have the full support of their parents, Lori and Mossimo Giannulli, both of whom have been indicted in the college bribery scandal. Our sources say the family feels certain, if the girls went back to USC, they would be "viciously bullied." So, the decision has been made. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-daughters-olivia-isabella-usc-bullying-college-bribery/
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 15, 2019 0:19:58 GMT
Lori's daughters are dropping out of CSU for fear of bullying. News break, Lori, your daughters would have been kicked out anyway: Lori Loughlin's daughters are not letting USC decide their fate, because they will NOT be returning to the University for fear of bullying ... sources connected to both daughters tell TMZ. We're told 19-year-old Olivia and 20-year-old Isabella have made the decision to withdraw from the University. Our sources say they have the full support of their parents, Lori and Mossimo Giannulli, both of whom have been indicted in the college bribery scandal. Our sources say the family feels certain, if the girls went back to USC, they would be "viciously bullied." So, the decision has been made. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-daughters-olivia-isabella-usc-bullying-college-bribery/They definitely would have heard about it from other students, although seeing as they got in on fraudulent grounds, I'm pretty sure they would have been kicked too. I don't condone bullying at all, but I do think sometimes there are unpleasant consequences for shady actions. The Sephora review page with her highlighter collab palette was absolutely brutal, until they took it down (along with the actual product) earlier today. Those kind of deserved consequences would have far more impact, I would think.
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Post by dillydally on Mar 15, 2019 0:23:54 GMT
Lori's daughters are dropping out of CSU for fear of bullying. News break, Lori, your daughters would have been kicked out anyway: Lori Loughlin's daughters are not letting USC decide their fate, because they will NOT be returning to the University for fear of bullying ... sources connected to both daughters tell TMZ. We're told 19-year-old Olivia and 20-year-old Isabella have made the decision to withdraw from the University. Our sources say they have the full support of their parents, Lori and Mossimo Giannulli, both of whom have been indicted in the college bribery scandal. Our sources say the family feels certain, if the girls went back to USC, they would be "viciously bullied." So, the decision has been made. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-daughters-olivia-isabella-usc-bullying-college-bribery/Wow, all that money to get them in and they aren't even going to graduate. Now it looks even stupider than it already was. I am irrationally fascinated by this whole thing. As in I'm actually reading the affadavit, shaking my head at how blatant this crap was. I get wanting the best for your kid, wanting them to get in the best school possible - sure, get them a tutor, get them a college counselor, hell, be up front about it and donate millions directly to the school. But this is cheating and fraud. To take a charitable deduction for the bribes? Holy hell. Do these people not have a conscience? I would never be at peace with myself knowing that I'd done something so blatantly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 0:30:32 GMT
What puzzles me is that these children would have been admitted just on their parents’ name alone.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 15, 2019 0:46:58 GMT
What puzzles me is that these children would have been admitted just on their parents’ name alone. No they wouldn't. Only two of the 50 were barely B list celebrities and a couple were finance/lawyers that might have gotten a slight bump if they had great - or at least average for the school stats. Most of them had zero name recognition at all.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 15, 2019 0:48:16 GMT
Lori's daughters are dropping out of CSU for fear of bullying. News break, Lori, your daughters would have been kicked out anyway: Lori Loughlin's daughters are not letting USC decide their fate, because they will NOT be returning to the University for fear of bullying ... sources connected to both daughters tell TMZ. We're told 19-year-old Olivia and 20-year-old Isabella have made the decision to withdraw from the University. Our sources say they have the full support of their parents, Lori and Mossimo Giannulli, both of whom have been indicted in the college bribery scandal. Our sources say the family feels certain, if the girls went back to USC, they would be "viciously bullied." So, the decision has been made. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-daughters-olivia-isabella-usc-bullying-college-bribery/Wow, all that money to get them in and they aren't even going to graduate. Now it looks even stupider than it already was.
I am irrationally fascinated by this whole thing. As in I'm actually reading the affadavit, shaking my head at how blatant this crap was. I get wanting the best for your kid, wanting them to get in the best school possible - sure, get them a tutor, get them a college counselor, hell, be up front about it and donate millions directly to the school. But this is cheating and fraud. To take a charitable deduction for the bribes? Holy hell. Do these people not have a conscience? I would never be at peace with myself knowing that I'd done something so blatantly wrong. The pinnacle had to be bribing the Stanford sailing coach for a slot and then your kid didn't even apply. Ooops.
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Post by dillydally on Mar 15, 2019 1:00:09 GMT
Wow, all that money to get them in and they aren't even going to graduate. Now it looks even stupider than it already was.
I am irrationally fascinated by this whole thing. As in I'm actually reading the affadavit, shaking my head at how blatant this crap was. I get wanting the best for your kid, wanting them to get in the best school possible - sure, get them a tutor, get them a college counselor, hell, be up front about it and donate millions directly to the school. But this is cheating and fraud. To take a charitable deduction for the bribes? Holy hell. Do these people not have a conscience? I would never be at peace with myself knowing that I'd done something so blatantly wrong. The pinnacle had to be bribing the Stanford sailing coach for a slot and then your kid didn't even apply. Ooops. Big oops! I haven't read that one. I may have to put aside the book I'm reading and just read the affadavit tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 1:02:03 GMT
Being a first generation college student is definitely one of the known criteria colleges and universities look at so I'm not sure why that's an issue or at all equivalent. It is my husband's #1 criteria when comparing candidates who apply to work for him for what I suspect are similar reasons as to why colleges and universities consider it. I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters. About 5 years ago my nephew was advised to make it clear that he was a first generation college student. He had good grades, was class president, and other selling points but I still wonder if "first generation" was the tipping point to get him into his dream school.
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 15, 2019 2:26:06 GMT
This all makes me feel really fortunate that we already know where our kids go and that they will get in (church school). I can’t imagine submitting my kid to all that pressure.
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Post by mom on Mar 15, 2019 2:47:37 GMT
Lori's daughters are dropping out of CSU for fear of bullying. News break, Lori, your daughters would have been kicked out anyway: Lori Loughlin's daughters are not letting USC decide their fate, because they will NOT be returning to the University for fear of bullying ... sources connected to both daughters tell TMZ. We're told 19-year-old Olivia and 20-year-old Isabella have made the decision to withdraw from the University. Our sources say they have the full support of their parents, Lori and Mossimo Giannulli, both of whom have been indicted in the college bribery scandal. Our sources say the family feels certain, if the girls went back to USC, they would be "viciously bullied." So, the decision has been made. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlin-daughters-olivia-isabella-usc-bullying-college-bribery/Do shady shit, except to be called out on it. 🤷♀️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 3:21:51 GMT
So it appears that the person who tipped off the FBI was someone who was being investigated for securities fraud and offered up info on the Yale soccer coach in exchange for leniency. It's like that children's book... There once was a crooked man who approached a crooked coach to help a crooked parent...
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 15, 2019 3:29:44 GMT
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