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Post by annabella on Mar 13, 2019 19:41:39 GMT
From what I understand there was no advantage for the check the box on her Texas bar association form, so why do it? I can't find anywhere if she wrote that for college admissions? I do find this episode about Warren so bizarre. My great-grandmother came from Holland, I never met her. I didn't grow up with Dutch food or traditions in my family. I don't know where her relatives are in Holland. It's not even like St. Paddy's day where there's a parade and t-shirt I could partake in. Why would I go around telling anyone I'm Dutch? I sure as hell don't look it.
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Post by ladytrisha on Mar 13, 2019 19:44:45 GMT
Personally, I think all the kids who bought their way in, should be retested and if they can't pass muster, shown the door.
Sadly, these parents consider their child's college career a reflection of their parenting. Well, as one who once thought the same, it's time for some of them to get real. Our son didn't go to a 4 year (despite MY dreams) - and he would have hated it anyway. I have learned the definition of patience with this child as he's set the timeline on how and when he gets thru college. It took a therapist working with my son, and me listening to him say "I'll go, but I'm doing it my way". He's got a double AA from the local jr college (no debt) and starts the local Cal State in August for the final few classes. I'm proud of him because he's done it and let's face it, I had to realize that if I really wanted to go, then I should have gone.
How sad that these parents were and are so wrapped up in themselves that they didn't listen to their children say no way, nor did they acknowledge that their kids didn't have the chops nor interest for it.
I still can't figure out why Macy is in the clear - he was on the phone call with Felicity and was part of the deal. Maybe because she was the one who paid?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 13, 2019 20:10:40 GMT
The ones who claimed tax deductions for their "charitable" contributions will be going to jail, I hope. IRS will be addressing it! Not so sure about jail. Bribes could be a big issue, they knew they were doing that and it was illegal!
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Post by peano on Mar 13, 2019 20:35:12 GMT
Only one person made it about that, though. Most of us are reasonable enough to know that stuff like this is equally dispersed throughout people with money and/or power. There may be hope yet for this board. I stopped reading and jumped to the end as soon as Trump was dragged into yet another thread. Three things you can count on in life in 2019: Death, taxes, and Trump being mentioned ad nauseum.Which is how it should be. Decent people with a moral compass know that the way to combat the daily assault of his lies and repeated violations of the rule of law is to keep mentioning it. Over and over and over until he's gone and nothing but distant nightmare.
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Post by smcast on Mar 13, 2019 21:22:35 GMT
Maybe it's a good thing I'm from a typical middle class family who has/had to work for every penny we have. Less problems in the long run. Crazy stuff. Think of all then energy spent on covering up things. Exhausting! I suppose they (the rich) pay someone for that too.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2019 21:55:50 GMT
Personally, I think all the kids who bought their way in, should be retested and if they can't pass muster, shown the door. Sadly, these parents consider their child's college career a reflection of their parenting. Well, as one who once thought the same, it's time for some of them to get real. Our son didn't go to a 4 year (despite MY dreams) - and he would have hated it anyway. I have learned the definition of patience with this child as he's set the timeline on how and when he gets thru college. It took a therapist working with my son, and me listening to him say "I'll go, but I'm doing it my way". He's got a double AA from the local jr college (no debt) and starts the local Cal State in August for the final few classes. I'm proud of him because he's done it and let's face it, I had to realize that if I really wanted to go, then I should have gone. How sad that these parents were and are so wrapped up in themselves that they didn't listen to their children say no way, nor did they acknowledge that their kids didn't have the chops nor interest for it. I still can't figure out why Macy is in the clear - he was on the phone call with Felicity and was part of the deal. Maybe because she was the one who paid? I agree with everything except the first line. The parents' actions were fraud against the colleges. I hope the colleges expel any current students involved and rescind the degrees of those who already graduated. Otherwise the ends continue to justify the means. Our DS was always 4 year college bound until it came to decision time. He had only one school he was interested in and I made him apply to a few more. On every single college tour, the student tour guide was on a 5 or 6 year track to graduate. Everyone had changed their major at least once. DS listened to this as he struggled to decide a major and felt the pressure to go STEM when it isn't really his interest. When the acceptances came in he asked if he could go to the local cc instead. It's been a great decision for him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:11:41 GMT
In a galaxy long ago and far away, I got into a nursing program that I never should have gotten into, i had the grades but not the personality. I wanted to go to a pre med program, but my parents wanted a nurse to takeof them. I often wonder what my father did , so I would get into the program.
Don’t worry , I dropped out after my second year when I realized that I didn’t like taking care of sick people.
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Post by Just T on Mar 13, 2019 22:19:02 GMT
I am willing to bet this is going to explode into many more rich parents being exposed. The ones who claimed tax deductions for their "charitable" contributions will be going to jail, I hope. While the whole cheating/bribing thing pisses me off, this is what burns my butt most of all, that they made what looked like these huge "donations" to a non-profit, then likely wrote them off. I have always enjoyed both of these gals, but man, I hope they go to jail for a long time.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 13, 2019 22:20:38 GMT
Good, so really fully cooperate... Name names, ALL of them!!
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Post by rodeomom on Mar 13, 2019 22:29:07 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation. It's a little different here in Oklahoma where she was raised. We don't have "reservations" as such. We have tribes who are a Nation within a Nation. The people don't live on reservations. The tribal members live wherever they can just like other people. When the dawes rolls were made it broke up the lands held in common. Each person was given so much land. It's complicated. And what does "raised Native American" mean?
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Post by flanz on Mar 13, 2019 23:24:02 GMT
One of the local families made their donations to USC and Singer from their charitable foundation. $?!$%$@
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 2:33:23 GMT
Growing up poor I learned that life isn't fair. It's life lesson that everyone should learn. It has never been fair and never will be fair. To believe that somehow the government is going to make life "fair" for everyone is a pipe dream. People with more advantages have more advantages. That's life. Having been in some really shitty parts of the world, I would rather be disadvantaged here than anywhere else. I'm only surprised that people paid so much such a stupid thing, especially those kids that were not interested in college. Is USC fudging Lori's daughter's grades or is someone else taking her classes for her? That girl is not college material. Because we can't make it "fair for everyone" doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to make it FAIRER!!!!!
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Post by flute4peace on Mar 14, 2019 6:38:12 GMT
Not the point of this thread, but FH looks so different to me in a lot of the pix accompanying this story. I’ve noticed this about her recently too. I saw her on something a few months ago and even recognize her.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 14, 2019 12:31:44 GMT
The ones who claimed tax deductions for their "charitable" contributions will be going to jail, I hope. IRS will be addressing it! Not so sure about jail. Bribes could be a big issue, they knew they were doing that and it was illegal! Tax fraud gets a lot of white collar criminals jail time. They deserve it.
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Post by PLurker on Mar 14, 2019 16:47:40 GMT
I'm not so sure they will all be fine. I'm not too impressed with Lori Loughlin's girls based on their own influencer postings but kind of feeling it for Huffman's daughter today. They will be completely fine. Even if they get kicked out of school and no other school would dare take them. Their parents are LOADED. They all have trust funds. They will never NEED to work. Their children will probably also never need to work, unless they squander away all that money at lightening speed. and now their wealthy, already over indulgent helicopter parent(s) have guilt. They will never want for money. They could waste it away but you can bet they'll have access. They will (probably) always be taken care of financially. How it affects their psyche will vary individually.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 14, 2019 16:56:48 GMT
well, the first class action suit has been filed: two stanford students file class action suit
in short, the students who filed the suit are saying that the other universities they applied to should refund their application fees because they never stood a chance against a system that was rigged and one where rich parents can buy their kids' way in. they are also saying that their Stanford degrees are devalued.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 14, 2019 17:44:50 GMT
"Where was Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade Giannulli when news broke that her parents were indicted for allegedly paying $500,o00 to make it appear that she had been a rower to guarantee her admission to the University of Southern California? Apparently on a billionaire's yacht who also happens to be the chairman of USC's Board of Trustees, TMZ is reporting.
TMZ found out that Olivia was on Rick Caruso's yacht in the Bahamas with the chairman's daughter Gianna and several friends for their spring break. Olivia and Gianna, per TMZ, have been friends for a while now and have posted photos of each other on their Instagrams."
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Post by 16joy on Mar 14, 2019 18:16:00 GMT
Some Colleges don't necessarily take only the best students who apply. I know of someone who got into A university while her classmate was denied. They applied to enter the same school within the university. The kid who got the denial letter scored 5 points higher on the ACT, had a much higher gpa than the accepted student, more community service hours, sports (compared to no sports) and orchestra. Both students attended the same $20,000+ school. Both sets of parents are successful and paid for them to go. School had an award winning college counselor who talked to students starting in middle school. The accepted student did check that she was a first generation college student and the other student did not. Is this ok?
My children did not visit this school so I don't know if it was stated you get put in a different decision pool if you're first generation.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 14, 2019 18:25:40 GMT
"Where was Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade Giannulli when news broke that her parents were indicted for allegedly paying $500,o00 to make it appear that she had been a rower to guarantee her admission to the University of Southern California? Apparently on a billionaire's yacht who also happens to be the chairman of USC's Board of Trustees, TMZ is reporting.
TMZ found out that Olivia was on Rick Caruso's yacht in the Bahamas with the chairman's daughter Gianna and several friends for their spring break. Olivia and Gianna, per TMZ, have been friends for a while now and have posted photos of each other on their Instagrams."
Twitter was pretty funny on this news. Most of it along the lines of how bad could her grades be if yachting with the Chairman of the Board isn't enough and you still need to bribe your way into the school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:25:53 GMT
Some Colleges don't necessarily take only the best students who apply. I know of someone who got into A university while her classmate was denied. They applied to enter the same school within the university. The kid who got the denial letter scored 5 points higher on the ACT, had a much higher gpa than the accepted student, more community service hours, sports (compared to no sports) and orchestra. Both students attended the same $20,000+ school. Both sets of parents are successful and paid for them to go. School had an award winning college counselor who talked to students starting in middle school. The accepted student did check that she was a first generation college student and the other student did not. Is this ok? It also depends on the major you are applying for. The student who has the better grades, scores, etc. might have applied for an impacted major while the other was admitted as undeclared.
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Post by busy on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:07 GMT
"Where was Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade Giannulli when news broke that her parents were indicted for allegedly paying $500,o00 to make it appear that she had been a rower to guarantee her admission to the University of Southern California? Apparently on a billionaire's yacht who also happens to be the chairman of USC's Board of Trustees, TMZ is reporting.
TMZ found out that Olivia was on Rick Caruso's yacht in the Bahamas with the chairman's daughter Gianna and several friends for their spring break. Olivia and Gianna, per TMZ, have been friends for a while now and have posted photos of each other on their Instagrams."
Twitter was pretty funny on this news. Most of it along the lines of how bad could her grades be if yachting with the Chairman of the Board isn't enough and you still need to bribe your way into the school. It could also explain why her parents were willing to pay so much to get her into USC, which is a good school but not exactly Harvard. The daughter may really want to go there because of her friend and would be embarrassed to not get in. It’s entirely possible the Chair is ethical and wouldn’t advocate for admission of individuals.
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Post by 16joy on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:15 GMT
I said they applied to the same school within the university but I failed to say also the same major. They applied to the same campus of the large university.
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 14, 2019 18:37:37 GMT
Being a first generation college student is definitely one of the known criteria colleges and universities look at so I'm not sure why that's an issue or at all equivalent. It is my husband's #1 criteria when comparing candidates who apply to work for him for what I suspect are similar reasons as to why colleges and universities consider it.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 14, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
Some Colleges don't necessarily take only the best students who apply. I know of someone who got into A university while her classmate was denied. They applied to enter the same school within the university. The kid who got the denial letter scored 5 points higher on the ACT, had a much higher gpa than the accepted student, more community service hours, sports (compared to no sports) and orchestra. Both students attended the same $20,000+ school. Both sets of parents are successful and paid for them to go. School had an award winning college counselor who talked to students starting in middle school. The accepted student did check that she was a first generation college student and the other student did not. Is this ok? It also depends on the major you are applying for. The student who has the better grades, scores, etc. might have applied for an impacted major while the other was admitted as undeclared. Accepted student could have made it clear at the interview that university A was her first choice dream school, while unaccepted student was more blase about attending if she got in. There are a lot of reasons that the student may have given preference -- it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with checking a box. Lots of universities give preference to the children of alumnae, or for playing certain sports, or for having a family who gives generously to the university. Are those okay? There was a good book written about fifteen years ago by Daniel Golden called "The Price of Admission: How America's Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges - and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates".
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 14, 2019 18:46:16 GMT
Twitter was pretty funny on this news. Most of it along the lines of how bad could her grades be if yachting with the Chairman of the Board isn't enough and you still need to bribe your way into the school. It could also explain why her parents were willing to pay so much to get her into USC, which is a good school but not exactly Harvard. The daughter may really want to go there because of her friend and would be embarrassed to not get in. It’s entirely possible the Chair is ethical and wouldn’t advocate for admission of individuals. I do believe the Chair was ethical and in the dark to these bribes, as was the Athletic Director (a friend of Giannuli). Singer is on tape with more than one parent telling them not to mention anything about their child's application to board members or other senior employees they know.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 14, 2019 19:25:25 GMT
Being a first generation college student is definitely one of the known criteria colleges and universities look at so I'm not sure why that's an issue or at all equivalent. It is my husband's #1 criteria when comparing candidates who apply to work for him for what I suspect are similar reasons as to why colleges and universities consider it. I don't mean to derail the conversation, but why would this be? I don't recall a single college or employer asking this question. I am a first generation college graduate. I am also the only member of my family with a masters.
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Post by 16joy on Mar 14, 2019 19:27:24 GMT
My point was I don't think the student was the first generation slot they were trying to fill because her parents are upper middle class. I don't think universities have to search far for upper middle class kids. This student is in the south so I'm sure a private school would cost 50+ in NY. I understand the need to have many different voices in a classroom so students can learn from other experiences.
I hope the parents don't all plead to the charges because I'd like to hear the details from the trial.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:28:37 GMT
Lori Loughin's daughter has been dropped by Sephora. Oh well. This also just in from TMZ: Golf legend Phil Mickelson says his family used Rick Singer's company to help his children navigate the world of college admission ... but the PGA star is adamant he did NOT participate in bribes. Officials have named Singer as the ringleader in the college bribery scandal -- where stars like Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman are accused of making payments to get their kids into prestigious schools under false pretenses. Singer ran a college prep business servicing tons of families. Mickelson says his business dealings with Singer's company were strictly above board. "Our family, along with thousands of others, used Rick Singer’s company to guide us through the college admission process," Phil says. "We are shocked by the revelations of these events. Obviously, we were not part of this fraud, our kids would disown us if we ever tried to interfere." Phil has 3 kids -- including a 19-year-old daughter, a 17-year-old daughter and a 15-year-old son. www.tmz.com/2019/03/14/phil-mickelson-rick-singer-college-bribery/
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 14, 2019 19:37:59 GMT
To paraphrase him, they have a fire in their belly.
His company has an internship program specifically targeting first generation college students as well.
ETA: He was a first generation college student himself so this is also personal for him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 19:38:48 GMT
My point was I don't think the student was the first generation slot they were trying to fill because her parents are upper middle class. Um...my parents are upper middle class and were at the time I applied for college and I was a 1st generation to go to 4 yr college. My dad was in the Navy, then worked for NCR then had his own computer business then worked for a local southern Ca only grocery store chain at the main office for computer system. No JC or 4 yr college degree. My mom went to the local JC to become a nurse. No 4 yr degree. You do realise that there are many trade jobs that easily make over 80k right? 🙄
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