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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 13, 2019 16:18:48 GMT
I brought up how trump’s father father bought him a Degree ( from Wharton school of business) because a rich person buying their child a degree is nothing new. How many Americans really care? And they learned to continue that in their adult life. It’s easy to buy Congresspeople now. Politicians, lobbyists all pay to play.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 13, 2019 16:47:56 GMT
The sad thing is that the 50 people who got caught are just a drop in the bucket compared to those who got away with. A few years ago on a talk radio show, they were discussing ways that students/parents were trying to get an edge on the college apps. A bunch of parents called in and said they had their child put down that they one of the disadvantaged ethnicities to better their chances of getting in. They said that the admissions officers no means to question or test that they are not the ethnicities they claimed to be. so, if the student had grades and extra curricular stuff, they were hoping the race card would tip the scale to acceptance. It was the craziest thing!! Lots of parents claimed their kids were Hispanic or part black or Indian. No surprise, no one falsely claimed to be Asian. This is so gross and racist. Related, I’d encourage everyone to visit Twitter and read the stories of people of color who were legitimately admitted to the schools in this scandal and how they were often treated. Here’s a place to start. There are MANY threads. Yup. I graduated from USC. At the time, there were very few Hispanic students attending. I put up with a few "oh you're a financial aid student" comments. I worked hard to get there, worked 20 hours a week to make sure I had money to cover my school expenses and still balance my school work. I earned my my acceptance there. I earned my degree there. Can they all say the same thing? I'm proud to be part of the USC alumni community. I hope every one of those scammers are caught and kicked out of school and their parents are charged with a crime.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 13, 2019 16:54:40 GMT
I just saw a video of Lori Laughlin's daughter saying she doesn't care about school, probably won't attend classes. She just wants the experiences of game day and partying: linkI have not read all 8 pages of the thread, so if this was posted previously, I apologize.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 16:59:55 GMT
I just saw a video of Lori Laughlin's daughter saying she doesn't care about school, probably won't attend classes. She just wants the experiences of game day and partying: linkI have not read all 8 pages of the thread, so if this was posted previously, I apologize. I mean... she's not that different from a lot of kids. Except that she has parents willing and able to make sure she can do that at the school of her choice, regardless of if she's qualified to get admitted.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 13, 2019 17:00:21 GMT
This is so gross and racist. When people talk about cultural appropriation this is what it should mean. Not wearing braided hair or hoop earrings (that's just people looking to be offended). Cultural appropriation is not assimilating into your adopted culture or country by wearing clothes, eating foods, enjoying entertainments that are the norm for your area. I'm white and Native American. My grandfather is buried on the reservation. I was not raised on a reservation and am not included on any tribe rolls. Technically, I could probably claim to be NA, but I'm white and was raised that way. I view cultural appropriation as an attempt to gain the advantage of an oppressed people without actually suffering the oppression. That's why the Elizabeth Warren thing really pisses me off. Telling people you have NA heritage is one thing. Actually claiming that heritage on a form is cultural appropriation. She may not have received any advantage for that claim, but I'm not so naive as to believe she didn't think it would help in some way. I'm going to explain this as clearly as I can. Elizabeth Warren was raised to believe she was Native American. When she applied to schools, she truly believed it. So did her family. I do not know whether or not it helped her and neither do you. Life was way different in the late 60s and early 70s and what sounds cool today, may not have sounded so cool to universities back then. In addition, 50 years ago DNA testing hardly existed and was never used until the mid 1980s. To say that Warren willingly and knowingly defrauded a school is misrepresenting the facts at best and disingenuous at worst. I wish we didn't have to bring politics into this discussion, because it is a horrible thing what wealthy and entitled people did and it doesn't matter what political leaning they have. But to bring a politician up and base the discussion on ignorance is simply wrong.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 17:08:21 GMT
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2019 17:12:33 GMT
I'm not so sure they will all be fine. I'm not too impressed with Lori Loughlin's girls based on their own influencer postings but kind of feeling it for Huffman's daughter today. I live in Los Angeles and have for 15+ years. Those kids will be fine. Memories are short and money is everything. That is reality. We will have to agree to disagree on all those kids being fine. Some will be without a doubt, others are going to have a hard time. My empathy goes to any kid struggling with anxiety and selfworth that has been caught up in this scandal. Their reality can't be fixed with money.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 17:23:16 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Mar 13, 2019 17:32:27 GMT
I live in Los Angeles and have for 15+ years. Those kids will be fine. Memories are short and money is everything. That is reality. We will have to agree to disagree on all those kids being fine. Some will be without a doubt, others are going to have a hard time. My empathy goes to any kid struggling with anxiety and selfworth that has been caught up in this scandal. Their reality can't be fixed with money.this, absolutely this. money will not fix the social media blow back. for this to happen to young people in the age of social media, the memory of this will be long and wide. there was a time before the internet when time and money were the cure for scandals. the rich could hop on a jet and go someplace where the scandal hasn't reached. if it was no longer in the papers, it was over. they could lay low until the scrutiny faded. not today. the internet is everywhere and it doesn't forget. that 1000 PSAT score versus the 1400 your momma bought you will forever be just a few google taps away. the cute youtube videos of you talking about how you don't even care about school will be around even after you delete that video or your account.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 13, 2019 17:45:33 GMT
I just saw a video of Lori Laughlin's daughter saying she doesn't care about school, probably won't attend classes. She just wants the experiences of game day and partying: linkI have not read all 8 pages of the thread, so if this was posted previously, I apologize. I mean... she's not that different from a lot of kids. Except that she has parents willing and able to make sure she can do that at the school of her choice, regardless of if she's qualified to get admitted. What horrified me - she potentially took a spot from a kid who worked hard for his grades and SAT score.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 13, 2019 17:53:30 GMT
I mean... she's not that different from a lot of kids. Except that she has parents willing and able to make sure she can do that at the school of her choice, regardless of if she's qualified to get admitted. What horrified me - she potentially took a spot from a kid who worked hard for his grades and SAT score. she didn't potentially take someone's spot, she DID take someone's spot. admissions are not endless. at some point it cut off and the next person on the list had to wait or go to another school because she took their spot. if you were a kid who applied to USC and didn't get in even if you qualified, wouldn't you be pissed that people who bribed their way in kept you out? i would.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 13, 2019 17:56:37 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 13, 2019 17:57:25 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them?
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 17:59:20 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them? The coaches were bribed and fake profiles of their athletic achievements were provided to admissions.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 13, 2019 18:06:35 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them? i admit i was really surprised at the faking sports thing. some guy's kid said he was a punter and his high didn't even have a football team. the loughlin girls were never even on a crew team. the guess if anyone ever questioned the kids once they got into the college, they were supposed to say that they were walk-on try outs for the team. crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 18:09:27 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them? There are a number of slots reserved for recruits. So if your son/daughter is an athlete, the coach will "recruit" that child to the school.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them? Anyone designated as a potential recruit for a team gets into the preferred applicant pile and is treated differently in the admission process. They can also get in with a lower GPA and/or SAT/ACT than other students because of the team interest. The coach is bribed to put them on the list and a fake profile included in their application. If the rowing team has 20 spots, they could be recruiting 100 kids who are being recruited by multiple schools. Not everyone makes the team or accepts their admission offer so it was relatively easy to slip one or two fraudulent applicants onto the list.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 13, 2019 18:11:01 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on all those kids being fine. Some will be without a doubt, others are going to have a hard time. My empathy goes to any kid struggling with anxiety and selfworth that has been caught up in this scandal. Their reality can't be fixed with money.this, absolutely this. money will not fix the social media blow back. for this to happen to young people in the age of social media, the memory of this will be long and wide. there was a time before the internet when time and money were the cure for scandals. the rich could hop on a jet and go someplace where the scandal hasn't reached. if it was no longer in the papers, it was over. they could lay low until the scrutiny faded. not today. the internet is everywhere and it doesn't forget. that 1000 PSAT score versus the 1400 your momma bought you will forever be just a few google taps away. the cute youtube videos of you talking about how you don't even care about school will be around even after you delete that video or your account. The thing with social media blow back now, in this day and age. It will be forgotten in a week and everything will be back to the status quo. This generation involved (students) are resilient. Water to a duck.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 13, 2019 18:11:32 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses here yet, so forgive me if this has been explained....I am confused about the people pretending to be on sports teams? How does that help them? i admit i was really surprised at the faking sports thing. some guy's kid said he was a punter and his high didn't even have a football team. the loughlin girls were never even on a crew team. the guess if anyone ever questioned the kids once they got into the college, they were supposed to say that they were walk-on try outs for the team. crazy. I'm still a little confused. They were saying that they were in sports in HS, to have a better looking application? Is that right? But how does that go to being named a member of the college team? Is it because athletes who will be on the college team don't have to meet the same standards for admissions as others (or bypass the admissions, basically)?
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Post by papersilly on Mar 13, 2019 18:18:28 GMT
i admit i was really surprised at the faking sports thing. some guy's kid said he was a punter and his high didn't even have a football team. the loughlin girls were never even on a crew team. the guess if anyone ever questioned the kids once they got into the college, they were supposed to say that they were walk-on try outs for the team. crazy. I'm still a little confused. They were saying that they were in sports in HS, to have a better looking application? Is that right? But how does that go to being named a member of the college team? Is it because athletes who will be on the college team don't have to meet the same standards for admissions as others (or bypass the admissions, basically)? i don't know about the rest of your questions but for some people, it's this. my niece did everything in high school---got straight A's, prepped hard for the SATs, did student goverment, clubs, played the piano, sang in the choir, tutored younger kids. but she was not in a sport so she joined the basketball team. not as a player but in some capacity. to her, this qualified as her sports participation. made her even more well rounded. i don't know if it helped but she earned her way into UCLA and is graduating from there.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2019 18:21:05 GMT
this, absolutely this. money will not fix the social media blow back. for this to happen to young people in the age of social media, the memory of this will be long and wide. there was a time before the internet when time and money were the cure for scandals. the rich could hop on a jet and go someplace where the scandal hasn't reached. if it was no longer in the papers, it was over. they could lay low until the scrutiny faded. not today. the internet is everywhere and it doesn't forget. that 1000 PSAT score versus the 1400 your momma bought you will forever be just a few google taps away. the cute youtube videos of you talking about how you don't even care about school will be around even after you delete that video or your account. The thing with social media blow back now, in this day and age. It will be forgotten in a week and everything will be back to the status quo. This generation involved (students) are resilient. Water to a duck. I'm not talking about us/the general public forgetting. Or about someone like Olivia, already a successful influencer who could care less about being in college. My empathy is for any kid already having anxiety/depression/selfworth issues having life long repercussions because of this. Public humiliation is not something they will get over quickly or easy.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 13, 2019 18:34:33 GMT
Anyone designated as a potential recruit for a team gets into the preferred applicant pile and is treated differently in the admission process. They can also get in with a lower GPA and/or SAT/ACT than other students because of the team interest. The coach is bribed to put them on the list and a fake profile included in their application. If the rowing team has 20 spots, they could be recruiting 100 kids who are being recruited by multiple schools. Not everyone makes the team or accepts their admission offer so it was relatively easy to slip one or two fraudulent applicants onto the list. Just more proof that college sports has gotten totally out of control. Something needs to be done but I doubt it ever will. IMO no athlete should be given any kind of preferential treatment on admissions. College sports has become big business and they are raking in the money. Meanwhile, tuition costs - and student debt - spiral out of control. Just a small example: look at how many different uniforms each team has during a season (football, basketball, baseball). Instead of the home and away uniforms there are now several each season. That's money that should be going back into the schools, not to a company selling sports uniforms. Yet another symptom of a broken system.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 13, 2019 18:42:59 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation.
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Post by oliquig on Mar 13, 2019 18:50:16 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation. What box did she check? From everything I've read for all her applications she checked off white or choose not to answer. What specific application did she say she was Native American?
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Post by sneakylatina on Mar 13, 2019 19:00:56 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation. What box did she check? From everything I've read for all her applications she checked off white or choose not to answer. What specific application did she say she was Native American? It was for the Texas bar application ( slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/elizabeth-warren-native-american-texas-bar-form-apology.html) and she apologize. But, I will tell you, as someone who lives in a state w/ many Native American pueblos/tribes, and therefore, NA acquaintances and a few NA friends, it's pretty reprehensible to allow yourself to be touted as Native American when you are not affiliated with a tribe. Maybe naivety on her part, but I'd truly expect her to be more sensitive to those who walk the walk, and have suffered for it. It's lazy at best not to correct Harvard on that point. She clearly reaped implicit benefits, IMHO.
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Post by tduby1 on Mar 13, 2019 19:02:41 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation. What are you talking about? What “box” did she check, where and when?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 13, 2019 19:18:46 GMT
@really Red I have to respectfully disagree. Her family lore was that there were NA ancestors, just like mine. She wasn’t raised on a reservation or have relatives on a reservation. My grandfather was buried on the reservation and I have photos of that generation (turn of the last century) on the reservation. I would never presume to check mark Native American on any type of form because I was not raised as Native American. Even if she only checked that box to be interesting, it’s wrong. It’s cultural appropriation. What are you talking about? What “box” did she check, where and when? see sneakylatina response above you. Texas Bar Association.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 13, 2019 19:28:36 GMT
i admit i was really surprised at the faking sports thing. some guy's kid said he was a punter and his high didn't even have a football team. the loughlin girls were never even on a crew team. the guess if anyone ever questioned the kids once they got into the college, they were supposed to say that they were walk-on try outs for the team. crazy. I'm still a little confused. They were saying that they were in sports in HS, to have a better looking application? Is that right? But how does that go to being named a member of the college team? Is it because athletes who will be on the college team don't have to meet the same standards for admissions as others (or bypass the admissions, basically)? No, not to look better on the application, to get someone in the athletic department to fraudulently say they should be admitted for the rowing team. They had no intention (or ability) to row. It was someone to bribe for admission.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 13, 2019 19:29:23 GMT
What box did she check? From everything I've read for all her applications she checked off white or choose not to answer. What specific application did she say she was Native American? It was for the Texas bar application ( slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/elizabeth-warren-native-american-texas-bar-form-apology.html) and she apologize. But, I will tell you, as someone who lives in a state w/ many Native American pueblos/tribes, and therefore, NA acquaintances and a few NA friends, it's pretty reprehensible to allow yourself to be touted as Native American when you are not affiliated with a tribe. Maybe naivety on her part, but I'd truly expect her to be more sensitive to those who walk the walk, and have suffered for it. It's lazy at best not to correct Harvard on that point. She clearly reaped implicit benefits, IMHO. What implicit benefits did she receive? Not arguing, just haven’t heard of any that I recall. What I’ve read said she hasn’t. I also think it’s important to note that things have changed, what we now know to be cultural appropriation we didn’t necessarily know then. I’m sure some groups did, but it wasn’t as wide spread. My family told similar stories and growing up into my 20s and 30s I was rather proud of that and discussed it with others. I haven’t done DNA research for privacy reasons, but did come across some family history that suggests the link wasn’t as recent as we all believed. I understood her desire to say ‘See my family wasn’t crazy there is some NA in our blood,’ if only for herslef. But I do think making the testing public was very poorly thought out, at best.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 13, 2019 19:30:13 GMT
I am willing to bet this is going to explode into many more rich parents being exposed.
The ones who claimed tax deductions for their "charitable" contributions will be going to jail, I hope.
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