flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 16, 2019 14:09:48 GMT
Do you also have a problem with the 12 sports figures Obama awarded the medal to? I don’t have a problem with the Medal of Freedom given to sports figures. A lot of these individuals are roll models and do a lot for their communities. But just for giggles I looked at what the criteria was for one to receive one. “ The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the President of the United States. The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States. It recognizes those people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".[2] The award is not limited to U.S. citizens and, while it is a civilian award, it can also be awarded to military personnel and worn on the uniform.”IMO Tiger Woods actions in his personal life overshadow any “meritorious contribution” he has made playing golf. To receive a medal like this one, you have to look at the entire package.
This. I suppose I can give the guy props for overcoming all his horrible life circumstances (ahem) to win a golf game, but giving the presidential medal of freedom for that is like saying a bobby pin will beautify a yak.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 16, 2019 14:28:00 GMT
Because I didn’t want to infect the Notre Dame thread with Trump. WTF was up with his tweet on it yesterday?
The absolute crassness and ignorance of suggesting they use a helicopter water tanker on an almost 1000 year old, already architecturally fragile building!
When I see a tweet of his most of the time I just roll my eyes and think “typical” but this one actually had me shaking angry for a good minute when I saw it in my FB feed. How embarrassing.
I see this has already been addressed. 😅
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Post by lindas on Apr 16, 2019 14:29:30 GMT
Do you also have a problem with the 12 sports figures Obama awarded the medal to? I don’t have a problem with the Medal of Freedom given to sports figures. A lot of these individuals are roll models and do a lot for their communities. But just for giggles I looked at what the criteria was for one to receive one. “ The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the President of the United States. The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States. It recognizes those people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".[2] The award is not limited to U.S. citizens and, while it is a civilian award, it can also be awarded to military personnel and worn on the uniform.”IMO Tiger Woods actions in his personal life overshadow any “meritorious contribution” he has made playing golf. To receive a medal like this one, you have to look at the entire package. Fair enough but if you feel his personal life overshadows anything else do you feel the same about Ted Kennedy? Chappaquiddick???
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 16, 2019 15:32:07 GMT
Can't someone SHUT HIM UP!?!??!?! My god he's horrible. Omg! I had not seen this one. 😨😱 Just when you think he can’t possibly set the bar ANY lower, he goes and does it. Truly stupid. Renovation, it’s what happens to 1000 year old buildings to keep them standing, at times. Hell they even “renovate” the Sphinx and pyramids from time to time. 🙄🙄🙄
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 16, 2019 15:32:23 GMT
I don’t have a problem with the Medal of Freedom given to sports figures. A lot of these individuals are roll models and do a lot for their communities. But just for giggles I looked at what the criteria was for one to receive one. “ The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the President of the United States. The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States. It recognizes those people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".[2] The award is not limited to U.S. citizens and, while it is a civilian award, it can also be awarded to military personnel and worn on the uniform.”IMO Tiger Woods actions in his personal life overshadow any “meritorious contribution” he has made playing golf. To receive a medal like this one, you have to look at the entire package.
This. I suppose I can give the guy props for overcoming all his horrible life circumstances (ahem) to win a golf game, but giving the presidential medal of freedom for that is like saying a bobby pin will beautify a yak. The “horrible life circumstances “ —-you mean his serial cheating on his wife? Yep, that fits right into trumpland.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 16, 2019 15:36:36 GMT
IMO Tiger Woods actions in his personal life overshadow any “meritorious contribution” he has made playing golf. To receive a medal like this one, you have to look at the entire package. After 10 years maybe as long as he keeps his life clean that long. Domestic violence, drunk driving in the not too distant past? Not so good. Fair enough but if you feel his personal life overshadows anything else do you feel the same about Ted Kennedy? Chappaquiddick??? Disgusting, and every time I looked at him I thought of it. But maybe because MaryJo Kopechne (sp) was from NJ and an only child.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 16, 2019 15:42:41 GMT
WHOA.......... lots to think about in that article!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 16, 2019 15:46:39 GMT
Did you hear the part where he says " they must save all the artifacts in the museum...including the Mona Lisa," He thinks it the Louvre. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 And Buttigieg offers condolences in French!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 15:47:35 GMT
I don’t have a problem with the Medal of Freedom given to sports figures. A lot of these individuals are roll models and do a lot for their communities. But just for giggles I looked at what the criteria was for one to receive one. “ The Presidential Medal of Freedom is an award bestowed by the President of the United States. The Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal are the highest civilian awards of the United States. It recognizes those people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors".[2] The award is not limited to U.S. citizens and, while it is a civilian award, it can also be awarded to military personnel and worn on the uniform.”IMO Tiger Woods actions in his personal life overshadow any “meritorious contribution” he has made playing golf. To receive a medal like this one, you have to look at the entire package. Fair enough but if you feel his personal life overshadows anything else do you feel the same about Ted Kennedy? Chappaquiddick??? Fair question. First we still don’t know the entire story other then he left the scene of an accident. Speculate all you want but all we know for sure is he left the scene of an accident. Having said that, he spent the remainder of his life trying to do good things for those who need it the most. That was 40 years. “Deemed by many as the "Lion of the Senate," Kennedy was considered one of the most effective legislators of the past few decades, especially in his ability to cross party lines to get legislation passed.In 2001, Kennedy helped President Bush craft and pass education legislation with the No Child Left Behind Act. While facing some criticism from his party, Kennedy pushed ahead on an issue close to his heart."Kennedy realized how much more you could do when you engaged the opposition party and wanted to make the compromises or the agreements that could keep the peace on legislation," Hess said.Kennedy, Hess added, was good at coalition building because he was an engaging person who "owned the Senate."Ted Sorensen, a speechwriter for President Kennedy, said that Ted Kennedy's legacy in the Senate "is comparable and consistent with the legacy of his entire family for generations."That legacy, in addition to popularity among fellow senators, might be the reason why he had major roles in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act, the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act and the Kennedy-Hatch law of 1997.In 1994, Kennedy was instrumental in helping the Clinton administration with its plan to overhaul health care. The legislation, maligned by Republicans and conservatives, later failed.Fifteen years later, he continued his fight for comprehensive health care alongside the nation's first black president, Barack Obama.Kennedy, an early supporter of Obama's presidential campaign, seemingly handed the torch down to Obama before the "Super Tuesday" Democratic primaries by likening the senator from Illinois to his brother, the late president.”When Tiger Woods spends the next 30+years doing good for others then, if we are both around, we can revisit it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 16:03:20 GMT
Random tweet...
”With 2020 Q1 fundraising numbers in, @zubakskees & I took a look at how each candidate's hauls broke down — and what we can learn from the filings overall”
Media is trying analyze the contributions this far in the campaign and comparing it to trump’s haul.
First there are two baseball teams of Democratic candidates running for President compared to one fool running on the other side.
Second, IMO, the only reason Sanders is doing well is name recognition and the other household name, Biden, isn’t running yet.
Lets see what happens after the first debate in June
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Apr 16, 2019 16:25:28 GMT
Fair enough but if you feel his personal life overshadows anything else do you feel the same about Ted Kennedy? Chappaquiddick??? Fair question. First we still don’t know the entire story other then he left the scene of an accident. Speculate all you want but all we know for sure is he left the scene of an accident. Having said that, he spent the remainder of his life trying to do good things for those who need it the most. That was 40 years. “Deemed by many as the "Lion of the Senate," Kennedy was considered one of the most effective legislators of the past few decades, especially in his ability to cross party lines to get legislation passed.In 2001, Kennedy helped President Bush craft and pass education legislation with the No Child Left Behind Act. While facing some criticism from his party, Kennedy pushed ahead on an issue close to his heart."Kennedy realized how much more you could do when you engaged the opposition party and wanted to make the compromises or the agreements that could keep the peace on legislation," Hess said.Kennedy, Hess added, was good at coalition building because he was an engaging person who "owned the Senate."Ted Sorensen, a speechwriter for President Kennedy, said that Ted Kennedy's legacy in the Senate "is comparable and consistent with the legacy of his entire family for generations."That legacy, in addition to popularity among fellow senators, might be the reason why he had major roles in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act, the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act and the Kennedy-Hatch law of 1997.In 1994, Kennedy was instrumental in helping the Clinton administration with its plan to overhaul health care. The legislation, maligned by Republicans and conservatives, later failed.Fifteen years later, he continued his fight for comprehensive health care alongside the nation's first black president, Barack Obama.Kennedy, an early supporter of Obama's presidential campaign, seemingly handed the torch down to Obama before the "Super Tuesday" Democratic primaries by likening the senator from Illinois to his brother, the late president.”When Tiger Woods spends the next 30+years doing good for others then, if we are both around, we can revisit it. Well I'm sorry but when you kill someone, and that's exactly what he did by not reporting that accident until the next morning, you'll get no pass from me regardless of how long ago it occurred.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 16, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
I dint know why anyone is surprised at tiger woods being chosen for the award. He fits right into trump’s milieu.
First off, a president can select whom they want.
But tiger’s adult life is similar to trump’s—
1. Serial wife cheater 2. Lavish home/lifestyle in Florida 3. Golfer 4. Wealthy 5. Entitled
Tiger also famously said “you have to respect the office of the potus” in August (when asked if his golfing/dining/friendship endorsed support for trump and how trump deals with immigrants and POC). Trump praised him for saying that (of course trump took tigers statement way farther that what tiger stated as he does with everything)
So, it doesn’t surprise me at all that this is who trump admires and selected. Tiger is a winner of the masters, and by association and tiger playing with trump, or tiger coming to trump’s courses, trump is rubbing elbows with the elite .
Soon trump will use this as “see I’m not a racist” or that he will use this as a sign support “from POC” while he’s campaigning. (And I think without tiger actually endorsing and supporting him!) knowing what crap spews out of trump’s pie hole, it wouldn’t surprise me to hear trump tell stories of how he helped pave the way for “people like tiger” to rise up to greatness from meager means as a black person. (On trump’s succeeding at LIFE comments). Trump is that dumb.
It’s not like the people who are awarded this honor are expected to actually do anything related to it, right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 17:17:02 GMT
Fair question. First we still don’t know the entire story other then he left the scene of an accident. Speculate all you want but all we know for sure is he left the scene of an accident. Having said that, he spent the remainder of his life trying to do good things for those who need it the most. That was 40 years. “Deemed by many as the "Lion of the Senate," Kennedy was considered one of the most effective legislators of the past few decades, especially in his ability to cross party lines to get legislation passed.In 2001, Kennedy helped President Bush craft and pass education legislation with the No Child Left Behind Act. While facing some criticism from his party, Kennedy pushed ahead on an issue close to his heart."Kennedy realized how much more you could do when you engaged the opposition party and wanted to make the compromises or the agreements that could keep the peace on legislation," Hess said.Kennedy, Hess added, was good at coalition building because he was an engaging person who "owned the Senate."Ted Sorensen, a speechwriter for President Kennedy, said that Ted Kennedy's legacy in the Senate "is comparable and consistent with the legacy of his entire family for generations."That legacy, in addition to popularity among fellow senators, might be the reason why he had major roles in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act, the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act and the Kennedy-Hatch law of 1997.In 1994, Kennedy was instrumental in helping the Clinton administration with its plan to overhaul health care. The legislation, maligned by Republicans and conservatives, later failed.Fifteen years later, he continued his fight for comprehensive health care alongside the nation's first black president, Barack Obama.Kennedy, an early supporter of Obama's presidential campaign, seemingly handed the torch down to Obama before the "Super Tuesday" Democratic primaries by likening the senator from Illinois to his brother, the late president.”When Tiger Woods spends the next 30+years doing good for others then, if we are both around, we can revisit it. Well I'm sorry but when you kill someone, and that's exactly what he did by not reporting that accident until the next morning, you'll get no pass from me regardless of how long ago it occurred. That is your choice to believe what you wish. But unless you were sitting on his shoulder at the time, you have no idea what actually happened. It’s not trying to justify it or give him a pass. We just don’t know. Was she still alive when he got out of the car? Was he physically able to get her out on his own if she had been alive? We just don’t know.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 16, 2019 17:44:43 GMT
Well I'm sorry but when you kill someone, and that's exactly what he did by not reporting that accident until the next morning, you'll get no pass from me regardless of how long ago it occurred. That is your choice to believe what you wish. But unless you were sitting on his shoulder at the time, you have no idea what actually happened. It’s not trying to justify it or give him a pass. We just don’t know. Was she still alive when he got out of the car? Was he physically able to get her out on his own if she had been alive? We just don’t know. I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion.
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Post by lindas on Apr 16, 2019 19:54:40 GMT
That is your choice to believe what you wish. But unless you were sitting on his shoulder at the time, you have no idea what actually happened. It’s not trying to justify it or give him a pass. We just don’t know. Was she still alive when he got out of the car? Was he physically able to get her out on his own if she had been alive? We just don’t know. I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion. Well I know damn well I wouldn't wait 9 hours to report it. If you think that lacks compassion on my part than so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:06:01 GMT
I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion. Well I know damn well I wouldn't wait 9 hours to report it. If you think that lacks compassion on my part than so be it. No you don’t. None of us do, we would like to think we would act a certain way but until we are actually facing whatever we don’t know how we will react. You are kidding yourself if you think you know.
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Post by lindas on Apr 16, 2019 20:17:43 GMT
Well I know damn well I wouldn't wait 9 hours to report it. If you think that lacks compassion on my part than so be it. No you don’t. None of us do, we would like to think we would act a certain way but until we are actually facing whatever we don’t know how we will react. You are kidding yourself if you think you know. You're certainly free to speak for yourself but don't you dare tell me what I would or would not do in any given situation. The only person that knows me well enough to make that assumption is me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:23:27 GMT
No you don’t. None of us do, we would like to think we would act a certain way but until we are actually facing whatever we don’t know how we will react. You are kidding yourself if you think you know. You're certainly free to speak for yourself but don't you dare tell me what I would or would not do in any given situation. The only person that knows me well enough to make that assumption is me. Then you are kidding yourself. But as always, its your choice what you chose to believe.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 17, 2019 0:11:50 GMT
Attorney General William Barr said in a new ruling issued Tuesday that asylum seekers who are able to demonstrate a "credible fear" and are then sent to full deportation proceedings are not eligible to be released on bond.The ruling, which will go into effect in 90 days, states that a previous decision allowing for asylum seekers to be released on bond while their case is being heard by an immigration judge was incorrect. Only the Department of Homeland Security has the authority to release the asylum seekers, he wrote.“I conclude that such aliens remain ineligible for bond, whether they are arriving at the border or are apprehended in the United States,” Barr wrote. Barr is overturning a 2005 ruling that determined that asylum seekers are eligible for bond if they are able to exhibit they have credible fear of persecution or danger if they leave the U.S. But the attorney general argues that, under the Immigration and Nationality Act, the administration is permitted to detain all undocumented immigrants who were initially placed in expedited removal proceedings, but then passed the credible fear test and were transferred to a full hearing before an immigration judge. He also pointed to a 2018 Supreme Court ruling that found that the law did not place limits on how long an immigrant can be detained. Some asylum seekers are exempted from this rule, like families and unaccompanied migrant children. ** thehill.com/latino/439219-barr-rules-that-asylum-seekers-must-be-detained-during-deportation-proceedingsSo much for the 95% of asylum seeks who show up for their court hearings..... Maybe he holds 'private prison stocks' ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 1:01:56 GMT
That is your choice to believe what you wish. But unless you were sitting on his shoulder at the time, you have no idea what actually happened. It’s not trying to justify it or give him a pass. We just don’t know. Was she still alive when he got out of the car? Was he physically able to get her out on his own if she had been alive? We just don’t know. I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion. The man left a woman to die by not reporting it until the next morning. It doesn't matter what anyone on this planet would do in that situation. It does not matter whether or not they can predict what they would do. It does not matter if we know what he could have done. We DO know he could have gone for help. He could have done ANYTHING in the time before he did, successful or not. THEN I could see having compassion for him. Having compassion for him, or not having compassion for him, any good he has done in his job, none of any of your excuses and justifications will change the fact that he left a woman to die. HE LEFT HER TO DIE, LUCYG. TO DIE. HE LEFT HER. That deserves no compassion and if I was lindas I'd tell you to keep your "shut the hell up". I'd also tell you where you can keep it. Seriously, the fact that you're making excuses and justifying a man leaving another soul to die tells me everything I need to know about you. The fact that he was a Democrat says even more.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 17, 2019 1:15:00 GMT
I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion. The man left a woman to die by not reporting it until the next morning. It doesn't matter what anyone on this planet would do in that situation. It does not matter whether or not they can predict what they would do. It does not matter if we know what he could have done. We DO know he could have gone for help. He could have done ANYTHING in the time before he did, successful or not. THEN I could see having compassion for him. Having compassion for him, or not having compassion for him, any good he has done in his job, none of any of your excuses and justifications will change the fact that he left a woman to die. HE LEFT HER TO DIE, LUCYG. TO DIE. HE LEFT HER. That deserves no compassion and if I was lindas I'd tell you to keep your "shut the hell up". I'd also tell you where you can keep it. Seriously, the fact that you're making excuses and justifying a man leaving another soul to die tells me everything I need to know about you. The fact that he was a Democrat says even more. Okay. I guess I’m sad that you’ve lost all respect for me now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 1:43:31 GMT
I would add that none of us know how we would immediately respond in a dangerous, traumatic situation under great pressure when we’ve been injured ourselves and struggled for our lives (and are probably drunk, to boot). If you think you do know (and you’re using that opinion to excoriate someone who actually lived through the situation), I’m gonna just tell you to shut the hell up because you DON’T know how you’d respond till it happens. And that goes for all persons, all parties, all religions, all ages, all personality types. Lots of judgment to go around here. Very little compassion. The man left a woman to die by not reporting it until the next morning. It doesn't matter what anyone on this planet would do in that situation. It does not matter whether or not they can predict what they would do. It does not matter if we know what he could have done. We DO know he could have gone for help. He could have done ANYTHING in the time before he did, successful or not. THEN I could see having compassion for him. Having compassion for him, or not having compassion for him, any good he has done in his job, none of any of your excuses and justifications will change the fact that he left a woman to die. HE LEFT HER TO DIE, LUCYG. TO DIE. HE LEFT HER. That deserves no compassion and if I was lindas I'd tell you to keep your "shut the hell up". I'd also tell you where you can keep it. Seriously, the fact that you're making excuses and justifying a man leaving another soul to die tells me everything I need to know about you. The fact that he was a Democrat says even more. linkI’m curious, how do you know that he left her to die? He certainly left the scene, no question. But if and how long she lived once the car hit the water is pure speculation. So unless you were there, how do you know he left her to die? Or is it “I just know he did”. Which is an opinion. If one doesn’t know for sure what happened, it’s not making excuses or justifying what happen, it’s stating a simple fact. Those who know for sure are dead and those living are speculating to what happen. Maybe today’s forensic technology could provide the answers. But not when it happened back in 1969. From the History Channel.. ”Late on the night of July 18, 1969, a black Oldsmobile driven by U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy plunged off the Dike Bridge on the tiny island of Chappaquiddick, off Martha’s Vineyard, landing upside down in the tidal Poucha Pond. The 37-year-old Kennedy survived the crash, but the young woman riding with him in the car didn’t. Though newspaper headlines at the time identified her simply as a “blonde,” she was 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, a respected political operative who had worked on the presidential campaign of Senator Kennedy’s brother, Robert Kennedy. Kennedy later claimed he dove repeatedly “into the strong and murky current” to try and find Kopechne before making his way back to the cottage. He then drove back to the scene with his cousin, Joseph Gargan, and aide Paul Markham, who both tried in vain to reach Kopechne. But rather than report the accident to the police at that time, Kennedy returned to his hotel in Edgartown. As a result, Mary Jo Kopechne remained underwater for some nine hours until her body was recovered the next morning. The incident at Chappaquiddick ended Kopechne’s young life and derailed Ted Kennedy’s presidential ambitions for good, but nearly half a century later, the details of what happened that fateful night remain unclear. Conspiracy theories and questions endure. How did Kennedy end up driving off the bridge? Was he drunk? What were he and Kopechne doing together that night? Was there a third person in the car? Why did he wait so long to report the accident? In a speech the following week, Kennedy maintained he had not driven drunk, and that there was “no truth, no truth whatever to the widely circulated suspicions of immoral conduct that have been leveled at my behavior and [Kopechne’s] regarding that evening.” Kennedy attributed his actions after the accident to injury (he suffered a concussion), shock and confusion. How long was Mary Jo Kopechne alive after the car flipped?
Kopechne likely did not die instantaneously, but her final moments remain a mystery. When John Farrar, a diver for the local fire department, found Kopechne’s body the morning after the crash, its positioning suggested she had remained alive for an unknown period of time after the car went underwater. Her face was pressed into the footwell, and her hands gripped the back of the front seat, as if she had been trying to push her head into a pocket of air. While some observers of the case suspected she could have been saved if Kennedy had gone for help earlier, others—including James E.T. Lange and Katherine DeWitt Jr., authors of Chappaquiddick: The Real Story—maintain that the cold temperature of the water and the condition of the car made it unlikely she survived for any extended period of time. The report from the inquest into the accident released by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court in 1970 concluded that as there was no evidence any air remained in the submerged car, it wouldn’t seek or allow any testimony about how long she may have lived, as “this could only be conjecture and purely speculative.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 2:00:42 GMT
trump...
”Bernie Sanders and wife should pay the Pre-Trump Taxes on their almost $600,000 in income. He is always complaining about these big TAX CUTS, except when it benefits him. They made a fortune off of Trump, but so did everyone else - and that’s a good thing, not a bad thing!”
But as dumb as his tweet is, those who respond are even
Random responses to this tweet...
“Just a reminder—
President Trump works 24-7-365 for FREE!”
“True, Mr President!
His tax returns show he and his wife earned $2 million dollars in the past two years, according to reports.
They should be forced to pay pre-Trump taxes rates!”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 2:03:51 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”The Veterans Affairs Department's watchdog is investigating a new office created by Trump early in his admin that was designed to protect whistleblowers from reprisal but is now facing allegations of aiding retaliation against them, Gov Exec reports.”
Why am I not surprised?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 2:15:26 GMT
Bill Kristol...
”It will be a happy moment when President Flying Water Tankers is a private citizen once again, a mere occasional annoyance rather than a national embarrassment.”
Priceless.
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Post by Merge on Apr 17, 2019 2:31:42 GMT
Meanwhile, Barr just issued an executive order (can he do that? I didn't know) to allow ICE to hold asylum seekers indefinitely without bail. Basically if you cross illegally and ask for asylum, they're going to detain you ... forever. NY Times
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Post by PLurker on Apr 17, 2019 3:01:26 GMT
trump... ”Bernie Sanders and wife should pay the Pre-Trump Taxes on their almost $600,000 in income. He is always complaining about these big TAX CUTS, except when it benefits him. They made a fortune off of Trump, but so did everyone else - and that’s a good thing, not a bad thing!” But as dumb as his tweet is, those who respond are even Random responses to this tweet... “Just a reminder— President Trump works 24-7-365 for FREE!” “True, Mr President! His tax returns show he and his wife earned $2 million dollars in the past two years, according to reports. They should be forced to pay pre-Trump taxes rates!” yeah, he works for free alright...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 17, 2019 3:41:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 4:43:50 GMT
I’m curious, how do you know that he left her to die? He certainly left the scene, no question. Kopechne likely did not die instantaneously When John Farrar, a diver for the local fire department, found Kopechne’s body the morning after the crash, its positioning suggested she had remained alive for an unknown period of time after the car went underwater. Her face was pressed into the footwell, and her hands gripped the back of the front seat, as if she had been trying to push her head into a pocket of air.He then drove back to the scene with his cousin, Joseph Gargan, and aide Paul Markham, But rather than report the accident to the police at that time, Kennedy returned to his hotel in Edgartown. He did not report it which would have given her the possibility of being saved by divers with lights and equipment. He went back to his hotel and what? Slept? Spent all night debating what to do with 2 other people? Why? To cover it up? Whatever he spent his time doing, he left her to die in a time frame that she could have been saved. Speculation? Yes, but he didn't even give her a chance at survival. He left her to die. Stop making excuses for that. Just stop.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 17, 2019 5:54:47 GMT
Meanwhile, Barr just issued an executive order (can he do that? I didn't know) to allow ICE to hold asylum seekers indefinitely without bail. Basically if you cross illegally and ask for asylum, they're going to detain you ... forever. NY TimesBut why? Almost all of those that have applied for asylum show up for court. So what is the point beside punishment?
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