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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:46:50 GMT
I mean, you get that Trump is still being investigated in about a dozen other cases, right? So to say “there weren’t any” regarding the crimes he committed is, at best, premature. That people were indicted, plead guilty, found guilty, and are still waiting for trial? Did you read the original letter appointing Mueller? It was not just about Trump. At this point, all we know is that they did not find evidence of collusion. That’s it. And you know what? I hope they’re right. I hope that in moving forward it can actually be proven to be true. That he is “just” an idiot who Putin helped get elected, who is too stupid to realize that he hired criminals for his campaign and appointed them to prominent positions. Truly. Because the alternative makes my blood run cold. 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed. What more do you think they'll do that they haven't already done to change the outcome of the Mueller investigation? At this point, all we know is that they did not find evidence of collusion. That’s it. So keep trying? It reeks of the endless Hillary investigations hoping to pin something on her. Cherry picking again. There are additional investigations that still have not been completed, and you are completely ignoring the facts that the investigation has found evidence of wrong doing and are still heading to other courts. And spare us—-the length of time that the Republicans have STILL harped on and cried about has been going on a lot longer and cost more than this one on trump. With what manafort had to forfeit, the investigation actually turned a surplus.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:48:13 GMT
So keep trying? It reeks of the endless Hillary investigations hoping to pin something on her. Just what they are doing again!! He we go................. Graham wants to probe Obama-era controversies Her EMAILS again!!Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday that he wants to probe a myriad of Obama-era scandals, including the handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, now that special counsel Robert Mueller's probe is complete.Graham also said the Senate Judiciary Committee should look into a controversial opposition research dossier on President Trump. "When it comes to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] FISA warrant, the Clinton campaign, the counterintelligence investigation, it's pretty much been swept under the rug. … Those days are over," Graham told reporters during a press conference. He added that the FBI's handling of the probe into Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of State was "bizarre at best [and] troubling to its core from my point of view." Graham's comments indicate that Senate Republicans are ready to move on from the years-long probe into the Trump campaign and Russia's election interference after Mueller handed over his report to the Justice Department on Friday. Graham, who is up for reelection next year, said he wants Attorney General William Barr to testify before the Judiciary Committee but indicated that his focus as chairman will be to dig into the handling of Clinton's emails, the Carter Page FISA warrant application and the origin of the controversial opposition research dossier compiled against then-candidate Trump by Christopher Steele, a former British agent. Graham also raised a controversial meeting between then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Clinton in 2016 that sparked outrage and accusations of coordination amid the Justice Department's probe into Hillary Clinton's email server. "I believe there was more there and I intend to get to there," Graham said. In addition to using the Judiciary Committee to probe the issues, Graham said he intends to ask Barr to appoint a special counsel to look into the same areas. "What I want to do is see if he'll appoint a special counsel," Graham said. "I'd like to find somebody like a Mr. Mueller." ** thehill.com/homenews/senate/435623-graham-wants-to-probe-obama-era-controversiesThey won’t. Right now, they are doing their premature victory laps. They’ll fizzle and go back to fucking over the rest of America.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:50:26 GMT
I can't get my head round how he could stand there and state that he had been completely exonerated or that SHS said the same thing. Don't they know how to read or have the ability to comprehend what they do read? " There was no collusion" Yes, of course there was, by someone. The letter only confirms that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign or anyone involved with it had colluded. To deny any collusion is wrong. He's making it all about him as he always does. It is so much more than just about him. The report did find evidence that there was 2 main Russian efforts to influence the election. Doesn't that bother him? No, obviously not, if all he cares about is that there was no evidence that he or his campaign people were involved.It should bother him, very much, that they did in fact interfere in the way they did. It's interesting that the report specifically says Trump's campaign and those associated with it and not that no one colluded..........it's all in the wording folks! He wasn't exonerated of other crimes either. Any further actions that might need to be taken were " unresolved because of difficult issues of Law" That isn't an exoneration that is " we aren't sure which law he can be prosecuted under or even if there is a law that covers what he's done" He's obviously done something that, on a legal basis, is ambiguous. I can't get my head round how he could stand there and state that he had been completely exonerated or that SHS said the same thing. The letter only confirms that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign or anyone involved with it had colluded. there was no evidence that he or his campaign people were involved. That isn't an exoneration that is " we aren't sure which law he can be prosecuted under or even if there is a law that covers what he's done" He's obviously done something that, on a legal basis, is ambiguous. So you're mad because there is no existing law that he's broken... that we haven't yet made it illegal to be Trump. Didn’t realize that you were given a copy of Mueller’s report and know what laws he did or didn’t break. Our bad 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:50:50 GMT
The standard to be worthy of serving as President of the United States also isn't "she was extremely negligent, but she didn't mean to be." But that didn't stop them from supporting that. Ok Gia.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:51:26 GMT
@eighteen24 after rereading some of your posts it occurs to me that you might be confused about what is going on and not just being purposefully obtuse like I assumed. I don’t remember you prior to the past week so lumping you in with others with similar posts might have been jumping the gun on my part, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Most, if not all of the investigations that are ongoing are either different than or a continuation of something dug up by the SC. The SC uncovered evidence of possible wrong doing and passed it on to the appropriate entities. They did not research it themselves, find nothing to note, and another entity is now taking it upon themselves to say the SC was wrong and are now trying to start over. Does that make sense? Eta: That'll teach me. This didn’t tag the poster so I went to look up the correct name. It’s shhfzas. So please disregard this post and carry on with being willfully ignorant. Question: when a troll changes their name does it change my settings for blocking them? Yes, it’s a troll.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:52:35 GMT
I'm not confused and I'm not a troll. Nice try though. If not an actual troll, your behavior has been quite trollish. You've really ramped the a-hole factor up lately. I do not remember you being as much of a troll under your old name. Yes, it’s always been an ass, always had the same trump apologist behavior and mimics gia like at least a cousin.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 25, 2019 23:54:59 GMT
Dems never found Hillary to be a problem. Despite her felonies. Ooohhh. What felonies were those??? Talk about idiotic, sad gaslighting. You conservatives/republicans lie. All the time. Have to just to stay in the game. Cannot do anything above board. Lie, lie, lie.
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Post by Merge on Mar 25, 2019 23:55:38 GMT
Seth Abramson lays out clearly in this thread why we need to see the full report, and why Barr's summary means almost nothing :
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Post by Just T on Mar 25, 2019 23:58:06 GMT
I spent the day yesterday with someone who is probably one of Trump's biggest supporters. My father. Who was convinced for 8 years and ranted and raved about how Obama was the antiChrist who would declare Marshall Law so he could remain president forever. My father who still rants and raves about how Hillary is the biggest crook who ever was or ran for president and she needs to be in prison. When I asked her why isn't she then, he had no answer for me. I asked him if he truly believes that Trump is a pristine person. He didn't answer that either, just said, "The people wanted a good businessman and they got one and everyone needs to leave him alone and let him fix this country!"
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 26, 2019 0:02:01 GMT
SO good, release ALL the documents as well as the full report, regardless of the reasons!! House conservatives are intensifying their demands for scrutiny of Department of Justice (DOJ) decisions after the conclusion of special counsel Robert Mueller's probe. In a letter sent to President Trump on Monday, eight House conservatives argued that the declassification of some related documents is necessary to find out “how Congress, the courts, and the American people were misled by Department of Justice leadership into a two-year investigation that failed to discover any evidence of Russian collusion.” The lawmakers want the Trump administration to declassify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications for former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and other key documents related to the Steele dossier, including information on the Justice Department official’s contact with Christopher Steele, who authored the controversial dossier. The lawmakers cited the Mueller investigation closing with no additional indictments as further reason to release the documents. The request is led by Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) and signed by Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Jeff Duncan (S.C.), Louie Gohmert (Texas) and Mo Brooks (Ala.). ** thehill.com/homenews/house/435713-house-conservatives-ask-trump-to-declassify-documents-underlying-muellerCan't pick and choose, release them ALL! With exceptions covering National Security!
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Post by casii on Mar 26, 2019 0:08:32 GMT
I spent the day yesterday with someone who is probably one of Trump's biggest supporters. My father. Who was convinced for 8 years and ranted and raved about how Obama was the antiChrist who would declare Marshall Law so he could remain president forever. My father who still rants and raves about how Hillary is the biggest crook who ever was or ran for president and she needs to be in prison. When I asked her why isn't she then, he had no answer for me. I asked him if he truly believes that Trump is a pristine person. He didn't answer that either, just said, "The people wanted a good businessman and they got one and everyone needs to leave him alone and let him fix this country!"
Sister, I found you!
We (the majority of us) knew something was deeply wrong with this country when he was elected. Since then, the truly disgusting, dishonest, bizarre and inhumane actions of this administration has served to further deteriorate the fabric of our country and desensitized many to what would have long ago ended a presidency.
While on one hand we need to hope ethical lawmakers do their job to continue into ongoing investigations and on the other hand, do all we can to make sure this dumpster fire of a presidency doesn't continue in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 0:09:46 GMT
Sorry you can’t deal with the results. You’re sad folks. If you want to talk about people who can't deal with the results, go talk to your boy Lindsey who is back on "but her emails." The results of the many investigations into Hillary Clinton were made public, I believe. Why shouldn't Trump's be as well? Comey announced his conclusion of the investigation of Hillary at the beginning of July and the report wasn't released until the beginning of September. How much did they claim they shouldn't/wouldn't release it? So why is it different now that the shoe's on the other foot?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 0:32:52 GMT
If you want to talk about people who can't deal with the results, go talk to your boy Lindsey who is back on "but her emails." The results of the many investigations into Hillary Clinton were made public, I believe. Why shouldn't Trump's be as well? Comey announced his conclusion of the investigation of Hillary at the beginning of July and the report wasn't released until the beginning of September. How much did they claim they shouldn't/wouldn't release it? So why is it different now that the shoe's on the other foot? Ha ha ha!!! The obsession the Republicans have with HRC!!!!! And check your facts—did HRC try to suppress the results? Nope! You’re struggling. Cherry picking. Gaslighting.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 0:36:01 GMT
Dems never found Hillary to be a problem. Despite her felonies. Oh and you are a gaslighting LIAR. Your entire claim/statement is wrong, not true at all. But because Republicans/conservatives like you just lie, lie, lie, it’s par for the course.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 0:37:35 GMT
What the ever living hell is this???
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Post by Merge on Mar 26, 2019 0:49:35 GMT
If you want to talk about people who can't deal with the results, go talk to your boy Lindsey who is back on "but her emails." The results of the many investigations into Hillary Clinton were made public, I believe. Why shouldn't Trump's be as well? Comey announced his conclusion of the investigation of Hillary at the beginning of July and the report wasn't released until the beginning of September. How much did they claim they shouldn't/wouldn't release it? So why is it different now that the shoe's on the other foot? Who is "they" that claimed this? I don't think it is different. I think the results of any investigation like this should be made available to the public.
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Post by Merge on Mar 26, 2019 1:00:52 GMT
What the ever living hell is this??? On its face, meaningless posturing. Trump Inc. wouldn't know a credible witness if one bit them in the butt. And the allegations that these guests were/are not credible in their claims is false on its face. This is pandering to its base and Im sure will be heavily reported on Fox, the land of lies. Underneath, it's pretty chilling that the RNC and the office of the president (because let's be real - they are one in the same with the re-election campaign) think they can tell the MSM who to have as guests. I hope the recipients of this letter have these guests back on ASAP and give them a bunch of free air time to enumerate their reasons for saying what they did in no uncertain terms.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 26, 2019 1:12:40 GMT
Sorry you can’t deal with the results. You’re sad folks. I would say the left is dealing with the (not yet actually released) "results" about as well as the right dealt with the DOJ's Benghazi investigation. And, tell me, if Hillary's email situation was so awful that it is still a talking point all these YEARS later...what do you think of the fact that Trump and many of his cronies are CURRENTLY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? That. I want an answer from Republicans about why it is ok for trumps children and other associates to do the same fucking thing that Hillary did. Why are we going to do more investigations about her for this horribly egregious break in protocol but Trumps people ok to do the same fucking things.
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Post by inkedup on Mar 26, 2019 1:28:54 GMT
I would say the left is dealing with the (not yet actually released) "results" about as well as the right dealt with the DOJ's Benghazi investigation. And, tell me, if Hillary's email situation was so awful that it is still a talking point all these YEARS later...what do you think of the fact that Trump and many of his cronies are CURRENTLY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? That. I want an answer from Republicans about why it is ok for trumps children and other associates to do the same fucking thing that Hillary did. Why are we going to do more investigations about her for this horribly egregious break in protocol but Trumps people ok to do the same fucking things. Imagine the outcry from the right if Chelsea had been given Top Secret clearance, an ambiguous post in the WH, and if she'd committed the same email "sins" her mother did.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 26, 2019 1:35:49 GMT
That. I want an answer from Republicans about why it is ok for trumps children and other associates to do the same fucking thing that Hillary did. Why are we going to do more investigations about her for this horribly egregious break in protocol but Trumps people ok to do the same fucking things. Imagine the outcry from the right if Chelsea had been given Top Secret clearance, an ambiguous post in the WH, and if she'd committed the same email "sins" her mother did. Their heads would have exploded. There would have been congressional hearings immediately. Impeachment for nepotism would have been discussed and probably voted on. Chelsea would have been called names degrading her looks. It would have been a shit show of epic proportions.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 26, 2019 1:41:04 GMT
So, with that letter, that means the stations should not have the President of the United States on as a guest because he doesn’t meet the requirements. Are they freaking kidding us with this? Seriously? After all of the proven lies and attacks on the media, politicians, etc. by him, his administration and many members of the GOP. What a (terrifying) joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 1:44:44 GMT
On its face, meaningless posturing. Trump Inc. wouldn't know a credible witness if one bit them in the butt. And the allegations that these guests were/are not credible in their claims is false on its face. This is pandering to its base and Im sure will be heavily reported on Fox, the land of lies. Underneath, it's pretty chilling that the RNC and the office of the president (because let's be real - they are one in the same with the re-election campaign) think they can tell the MSM who to have as guests. I hope the recipients of this letter have these guests back on ASAP and give them a bunch of free air time to enumerate their reasons for saying what they did in no uncertain terms. "And the allegations that these guests were/are not credible in their claims is false on its face." Richard Blumenthal " The evidence is pretty clear that there was collision (sic) between the Trump campaign and the Russians" Adam Schiff "I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight." Jerrold Nadler "There was obviously a lot of collusion. The question is how high. Every day we - every day - every so often we get new information about involvement." Eric Swalwell "In our investigation we saw strong evidence of collusion." Tom Perez "Over the last year we have seen, I think, a mountain of evidence of collusion between the campaign and the Russians to basically affect our democracy." 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed to have Mueller say there is no collusion and you're claiming that those quotes above are true? What do they have that Mueller couldn't find in all that time and why didn't they give him their "evidence"?
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 26, 2019 1:45:44 GMT
We haven't seen the results yet. We've seen four sentence fragments. And Mitch and Lindsey are going to make sure it stays that way. #somethingtohide Considering that last year, Barr wrote the 19-or-20-page An Ode to Trump/U Can’t Touch Him, one would think a few complete sentences and paragraphs for context would not be beyond his ability. #whitewash
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 26, 2019 1:54:33 GMT
What the ever living hell is this??? Memorandum: Trump campaign asks TV producers to challenge past guests who said there was 'evidence of collusion' BTW: I couldn't get the letter to post and typed it ALL out!! However: I got to thinking how this would work with all of dt's people show: Kellyanne, 'alternative facts' and have her explain. Rudy, 'the truth is not the truth' SHS, 'he is exonerated' dt, too long is the list.......................... dewryce he only appears on FOX.... and they mostly approve of his lies.................
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 1:55:59 GMT
On its face, meaningless posturing. Trump Inc. wouldn't know a credible witness if one bit them in the butt. And the allegations that these guests were/are not credible in their claims is false on its face. This is pandering to its base and Im sure will be heavily reported on Fox, the land of lies. Underneath, it's pretty chilling that the RNC and the office of the president (because let's be real - they are one in the same with the re-election campaign) think they can tell the MSM who to have as guests. I hope the recipients of this letter have these guests back on ASAP and give them a bunch of free air time to enumerate their reasons for saying what they did in no uncertain terms. "And the allegations that these guests were/are not credible in their claims is false on its face." Richard Blumenthal " The evidence is pretty clear that there was collision (sic) between the Trump campaign and the Russians" Adam Schiff "I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight." Jerrold Nadler "There was obviously a lot of collusion. The question is how high. Every day we - every day - every so often we get new information about involvement." Eric Swalwell "In our investigation we saw strong evidence of collusion." Tom Perez "Over the last year we have seen, I think, a mountain of evidence of collusion between the campaign and the Russians to basically affect our democracy." 22 months of investigation, $30 million, 2500 subpoenas issued, over 500 search warrants executed to have Mueller say there is no collusion and you're claiming that those quotes above are true? What do they have that Mueller couldn't find in all that time and why didn't they give him their "evidence"? The report that everyone has heard about is Barr’s NOT Mueller’s. You’re again quoting/attributing Barr’s report as Mueller’s. If it’s so glowing about trump, why not release it? And we don’t need Mueller’s report to know what and who trump is. He shows us what an asshole he is daily. Trump lied right out of the gate hearing what he did from Barr. Both Barr/Mueller said the report did not exonerate him, and what does trump run off and do? Race to the media to claim total vindication and total exoneration. clearly he is a liar.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 1:57:00 GMT
What the ever living hell is this??? Memorandum: Trump campaign asks TV producers to challenge past guests who said there was 'evidence of collusion' BTW: I couldn't get the letter to post and typed it ALL out!! However: I got to thinking how this would work with all of dt's people show: Kellyanne, 'alternative facts' and have her explain. Rudy, 'the truth is not the truth' SHS, 'he is exonerated' dt, too long is the list.......................... Exactly! Team trump is full up of lying assholes, who lie everyday. Are they going to challenge them?
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 26, 2019 1:57:40 GMT
Sorry you can’t deal with the results. You’re sad folks. I didn’t realize the report had been released to Congress and shared with the public. Where can I find that? Right now, as far as I know, we are dealing with a summary from someone who has proven himself very partial and one of his employees. Not results. Christ almighty, these people and their ilk, led by Leader Trump, hounded Obama for his damned birth certificate for years, convinced his presidency is illegitimate and he was born in Kenya. And when furnished with said certificate proceeded declaring it a fake. Obviously unable to discern the difference between a legitimate search for the truth that’s free of subterfuge versus a journey on Loony Lane.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 1:59:41 GMT
That. I want an answer from Republicans about why it is ok for trumps children and other associates to do the same fucking thing that Hillary did. Why are we going to do more investigations about her for this horribly egregious break in protocol but Trumps people ok to do the same fucking things.You want an answer? How about the same answers given by the Left to the same exact question asked repeatedly over the last few years. "This isn't about Hillary, stop derailing the thread and deflecting." "You're a troll." "Just stop." "You're a Hillary supporter and as such you have no value as a human." "You shouldn't be allowed to post here." "It's not the exact same, it's completely different." "No one is as bad as Hillary, you can not compare the two." "Mueller found no collusion/Hillary wasn't charged, so there." "Now you've been given the facts and schooled, you just can't accept it." How do those work for you? Again, more derailing the topic. If anything, the troll’s predictable! Republicans lie. Gaslight. Cheat because they cannot win without doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 1:59:47 GMT
I would say the left is dealing with the (not yet actually released) "results" about as well as the right dealt with the DOJ's Benghazi investigation. And, tell me, if Hillary's email situation was so awful that it is still a talking point all these YEARS later...what do you think of the fact that Trump and many of his cronies are CURRENTLY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? That. I want an answer from Republicans about why it is ok for trumps children and other associates to do the same fucking thing that Hillary did. Why are we going to do more investigations about her for this horribly egregious break in protocol but Trumps people ok to do the same fucking things. You want an answer? How about the same answers given by the Left to the same exact question asked repeatedly over the last few years. "This isn't about Hillary, stop derailing the thread and deflecting." "You're a troll." "Just stop." "You're a Hillary supporter and as such you have no value as a human." "You shouldn't be allowed to post here." "It's not the exact same, it's completely different." "No one is as bad as Hillary, you can not compare the two." "Mueller found no collusion/Hillary wasn't charged, so there." "Now you've been given the facts and schooled, you just can't accept it." How do those work for you?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 26, 2019 2:02:41 GMT
I didn’t realize the report had been released to Congress and shared with the public. Where can I find that? Right now, as far as I know, we are dealing with a summary from someone who has proven himself very partial and one of his employees. Not results. Christ almighty, these people and their ilk, led by Leader Trump, hounded Obama for his damned birth certificate for years, convinced his presidency is illegitimate and he was born in Kenya. And when furnished with said certificate proceeded declaring it a fake. Obviously unable to discern the difference between a legitimate search for the truth that’s free of subterfuge versus a journey on Loony Lane. It’s crazy! Republicans are still the same, we can do anything we want and not be held accountable, but we’re going to do everything and anything to suppress any democratic notion, and you’re going to take it! As well as, were going to do all these things, fuck y’all over, then we’re going to accuse you of doing what we’ve been doing all along.
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