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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 15:02:22 GMT
Here's how that original post could have gone differently for me. "I am volunteering with a clinic that offers services to pregnant women. The clinic offers parenting classes and I would like to be able to provide a diaper bag or tote bag to each woman who attends the classes, and as the classes continue the clinic will provide items to fill it from donated items, like diapers, wipes, blankets, bibs, etc. If you would like to help with this a donation of $30 provides the diaper bag and contents." However the OP used the post to express her pro life views, emphasize what the clinic does and for who, and really, I'm glad she did in a way so I could steer clear. I don't think she needed to hair flip because she knew from being on this board that posts like that are going to have opposition and support, not always in equal measure. Since I steered the thread south early on, I'm just chiming back in to say what could have changed the narrative for me. Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. My concern is that when people visit these types of clinics, they are not getting neutral advice. I think that the choice should be made by the individual, based on their own needs and beliefs, not because they were swayed by someone. I would say the same thing if there were agencies that try to talk people into having abortions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:06:48 GMT
Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. OK, so maybe a thread title that says, ProLIFE peas, donate to women keeping their babies." Then I can scroll by without opening it, before I get sucked into reading the whole thing and then rereading to make sure I get exactly what she is wanting. Then responding no and why. Planned Parenthood, for example, also supports women who plan to keep their babies or place them, so I think the way her thread started out it could have gone a different direction than I thought at first until I read it. I would think if a PRO-LIFE title would get you to scroll on by, then the big graphic with PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive in great big letters would do the same by getting you to turn around and go back out to finding something you are more interested in.
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 15:16:53 GMT
OK, so maybe a thread title that says, ProLIFE peas, donate to women keeping their babies." Then I can scroll by without opening it, before I get sucked into reading the whole thing and then rereading to make sure I get exactly what she is wanting. Then responding no and why. Planned Parenthood, for example, also supports women who plan to keep their babies or place them, so I think the way her thread started out it could have gone a different direction than I thought at first until I read it. I would think if a PRO-LIFE title would get you to scroll on by, then the big graphic with PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive in great big letters would do the same by getting you to turn around and go back out to finding something you are more interested in. Anti-Trump titles don't keep you from posting in a thread, so what, exactly is your point? Same shit, different day with you. You want to spew whatever crap you spew with no response from people with opposing views, but you also think you are uniquely entitled to spit word vomit at anyone who disagrees with you. You need to pull the hypocrisy out of your own mouth before you use that word again.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 25, 2019 15:20:22 GMT
I’ve had clients who got free pumps through their insurance (Medicaid) but mine unfortunately never covered it. It was actually frustrating because I have known people who were on Medicaid and didn’t actually breastfeed, so they sold their free pump. I’m glad that some insurance companies are offering it, I just wish that it was across the board. That is my gripe with the insurance system in the first place. Politicians like to say that people on Medicaid have worse coverage, but from what I have seen that is not the case. Medicare is more restrictive as far as coverage and providers, but there are many services that Medicaid covers that commercial insurance doesn’t (or at least not many). Or that one commercial plan covers but another doesn’t. I thought the ACA mandated insurance coverage of breast pumps? Maybe that's why you know people on Medicaid who received pumps while you did not. It does, that’s correct. However self insured employer group plans, are a whole other beast altogether, and can exempt themselves from HCR. And there are a lot of them out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:24:48 GMT
OK, so maybe a thread title that says, ProLIFE peas, donate to women keeping their babies." Then I can scroll by without opening it, before I get sucked into reading the whole thing and then rereading to make sure I get exactly what she is wanting. Then responding no and why. Planned Parenthood, for example, also supports women who plan to keep their babies or place them, so I think the way her thread started out it could have gone a different direction than I thought at first until I read it. Maybe I've listened to too much Alex Jones, but I feel like the influx of "new" conservative posters is not coincidental. Remember that wonderful, kinder, more right leaning board they wouldn't stop hinting about? It almost seems like a few of those people decided to come back at the same time. Their posts all end up the same: with feverish defenses of Trump and with them crying about mean liberals and liberal hypocrisy. Much like this thread. Damn them conservatives and their different opinions! They're ruining our echo chamber! Liberal posts also all end up the same: sweating, thousands of... years of... frothing, I hate Trump posts, complete with working overtime to discredit anyone who comes in to correct misinformation or heaven forbid, has a different way to see something. Much like your post.
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 25, 2019 15:26:49 GMT
Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. Does a PRO-LIFE diaper bag look different than a regular one? Is that why she's asking for 31 bags, because they have some magic PRO-LIFE powers?
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 15:26:59 GMT
I thought the ACA mandated insurance coverage of breast pumps? Maybe that's why you know people on Medicaid who received pumps while you did not. It does, that’s correct. However self insured employer group plans, are a whole other beast altogether, and can exempt themselves from HCR. And there are a lot of them out there. You are correct. We are self employed with very expensive insurance, and and I did not receive a pump with either of my children.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:29:11 GMT
I would think if a PRO-LIFE title would get you to scroll on by, then the big graphic with PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive in great big letters would do the same by getting you to turn around and go back out to finding something you are more interested in. Anti-Trump titles don't keep you from posting in a thread, so what, exactly is your point? Same shit, different day with you. You want to spew whatever crap you spew with no response from people with opposing views, but you also think you are uniquely entitled to spit word vomit at anyone who disagrees with you. You need to pull the hypocrisy out of your own mouth before you use that word again. Anti-Trump titles don't keep you from posting in a thread, so what, exactly is your point? I didn't claim that I need something to make me scroll on by, so you and your point are confused. I don't have a problem with opposing views, I have a problem with someone demonizing the person when they express it on the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:31:23 GMT
Well, it is a PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive so, expressing pro-life views would go right along with that. I'm always surprised at how so many people who are pro-choice object so vehemently when other people have a different choice and express it. Does a PRO-LIFE diaper bag look different than a regular one? Is that why she's asking for 31 bags, because they have some magic PRO-LIFE powers? Are you really going to try to make a point by pretending to think it's the diaper bag that's pro-life?
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 15:32:51 GMT
Maybe I've listened to too much Alex Jones, but I feel like the influx of "new" conservative posters is not coincidental. Remember that wonderful, kinder, more right leaning board they wouldn't stop hinting about? It almost seems like a few of those people decided to come back at the same time. Their posts all end up the same: with feverish defenses of Trump and with them crying about mean liberals and liberal hypocrisy. Much like this thread. Damn them conservatives and their different opinions! They're ruining our echo chamber! Liberal posts also all end up the same: sweating, thousands of... years of... frothing, I hate Trump posts, complete with working overtime to discredit anyone who comes in to correct misinformation or heaven forbid, has a different way to see something. Much like your post. But aren't you all salty that dissenting opinions "ruined" this post? I could not care less about the fact that you post. But you want to have your cake and eat it, too. You want to post the crap you post and then cry about liberal hypocrisy and cruelty when you are met with dissent. You have the freedom to be as annoying as you want here. (And boy, do you exercise that freedom!) But that doesn't mean your opinions are exempt from criticism. You can't cry about "demonizing" one group while demonizing another. Do you really not understand this?
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 25, 2019 15:50:25 GMT
Are you really going to try to make a point by pretending to think it's the diaper bag that's pro-life? Not trying. Succeeding. (Well, for most of the people here who see how ridiculous this is... present company excepted.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:52:45 GMT
But aren't you all salty that dissenting opinions "ruined" this post? No. You can't cry about "demonizing" one group while demonizing another. Do you really not understand this? Discrediting the person instead of debating the topic is not the same as objecting to doing that. Do you really NOT understand this?
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Post by artsydaisy on Apr 25, 2019 15:56:21 GMT
I struggled with a title to this one. But Peas, this is what I’m doing. I turned 40 this year. I am volunteering for the Parkgate Pregnancy Clinic in Tupelo, MS. They need diaper bags. Let me tell you a little bit about Parkgate tho. They are a clinic that’s helps women choose what they are going to do with their pregnancy. The girl comes in and they offer a pregnancy test and a sonogram. They also share the gospel with her in her counseling session. If she chooses abortion, she has to go to a different clinic. They do not perform them there. If she chooses life, whether she keeps the baby or puts him/her up for adoption, they counsel the girl and her young man if he wants to. They go through parenting classes. If they choose adoption, they stay with the young woman through the whole process. Parkgate is in need of diaper bags for those that choose life. It’s my goal to provide 40. I partnered with a Thirty one Consultant friend of mine and we are trying to reach our goal! If you would like to donate, it’s $30 and my PayPal is izzy1327@gmail.com. Just please let me know in the notes that you are a Pea and that you donated! This is not a discussion on pro abortion or pro life. It’s just something I’m opening up to the Peas because I would love to reach my goal and help the clinic! The pro-life diaper bag drive had a deadline of March 25th and this was posted April 24th. Is the pro-life diaper bag drive still even open?
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Post by inkedup on Apr 25, 2019 16:04:49 GMT
But aren't you all salty that dissenting opinions "ruined" this post? No. You can't cry about "demonizing" one group while demonizing another. Do you really not understand this? Discrediting the person instead of debating the topic is not the same as objecting to doing that. Do you really NOT understand this? You can't pull that old "discrediting the person" chestnut out here. No one discredited OP. Many criticized the organization and the fundraiser. No wonder you support Trump. You think that any fact that contradicts your narrative is an assault. Any opinion that differs from yours gets under your thin little skin. You want to drink liberal tears but then act like a sad little snowflake when presented with truth. And I'm not trying to discredit you; discrediting would imply that you had any kind of credibility to begin with.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 25, 2019 17:32:11 GMT
The pro-life diaper bag drive had a deadline of March 25th and this was posted April 24th. Is the pro-life diaper bag drive still even open? I'm sure it's still open. But 40 empty bags at $30 each is $1200, and I think I could buy and fill more than 40 bags for $1200, especially buying in bulk someplace. You could give almost 50 women a $25 gift card to buy what they need for that amount.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 25, 2019 17:38:10 GMT
I would think if a PRO-LIFE title would get you to scroll on by, then the big graphic with PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive in great big letters Look, I get what you are trying to say, and what I am trying to say is the thread title 'Donations' interested me. I bothered to read the narrative before jumping to the graphic. On my computer, photos and graphics come up as a small black x, and so I have to go to another format like my phone to see it. So then I looked at the graphic to see what it said. I think the OP knew what she was going to post appealed to a certain pea demographic, and I'm suggesting she could have kept me off it by being a bit less vague at the front door before I got hit by the 2x4 that is a pro life message once I took the bait.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 25, 2019 17:50:01 GMT
I just went back and looked at the picture of the ad in the OP. Yikes. I was assuming that the OP had just explained the program awkwardly in her post, but maybe this truly is a reward for "choosing life"? Like, hey! Choose life and we will give you a free diaper bag! All of your problems are solved! I'm sure that there are people who would donate to this but it is a turn off to many, understandably.
I do appreciate that the group is giving parenting classes (however, I would want to know what is being taught) and I think that focusing more on that aspect would be helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
I would think if a PRO-LIFE title would get you to scroll on by, then the big graphic with PRO-LIFE Diaper Bag Drive in great big letters Look, I get what you are trying to say, and what I am trying to say is the thread title 'Donations' interested me. I bothered to read the narrative before jumping to the graphic. On my computer, photos and graphics come up as a small black x, and so I have to go to another format like my phone to see it. So then I looked at the graphic to see what it said. I think the OP knew what she was going to post appealed to a certain pea demographic, and I'm suggesting she could have kept me off it by being a bit less vague at the front door before I got hit by the 2x4 that is a pro life message once I took the bait. Okay, I can understand having to read it if you can't see the graphics. Then you lost me when you say seeing pro-life is getting hit by a 2x4.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 18:12:19 GMT
I just went back and looked at the picture of the ad in the OP. Yikes. I was assuming that the OP had just explained the program awkwardly in her post, but maybe this truly is a reward for "choosing life"? Like, hey! Choose life and we will give you a free diaper bag! All of your problems are solved! I'm sure that there are people who would donate to this but it is a turn off to many, understandably. I do appreciate that the group is giving parenting classes (however, I would want to know what is being taught) and I think that focusing more on that aspect would be helpful. It doesn't say or even suggest that this will solve all your problems.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 25, 2019 18:16:33 GMT
Ok well I get it. Don’t worry about the diaper bags. What they do is they give the young girls and boyfriends or husbands or whatever the case may be...parenting classes. At the beginning of the class they get the free diaper bag. Every class they come to they get to get free baby things from the baby closet. Whether it be diapers or clothes or blankets or whatever. I get that there are a lot of people who chose abortion. There are a lot of people pro choice. I understand that. I have several friends who have chosen abortion and that’s their choice. I don’t love them any less. We talk about it if they want to...or we don’t if they don’t. What I don’t understand is that if your pro choice and the pro lifers are supposed to respect that. Then why don’t the pro choice respect the pro lifers? It’s ultimately a young, well any age woman’s choice. I posted about diaper bags for those who choose life. Because we are trying to help in ways that we can should they choose life. If they choose abortion, we don’t love anyone any less. I didn’t mean for it to be anything but a diaper bag drive. I understand that there is a lot of other ways to get diaper bags and a lot of other things that they need. I understand that this is small in the huge picture for these women. I was just trying to help how I could. You can comment how you like. Or debate if you want to. I honestly was just trying to get help to reach my goal for these women. The reason I don’t respect this bullshit is these “clinics” prey on young women by pretending to be something they aren’t. They deceptively try to get women to come in by advertising themselves as medical services when they are not clinics, but opportunities to assault unsuspecting victims with their hateful brand of “gospel”. It’s dishonest and despicable. You’ve combined this predatory practice with another predatory practice - MLMs - for one of the most distasteful ideas I have ever seen disguised as a charity.
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Post by artsydaisy on Apr 25, 2019 18:35:58 GMT
The pro-life diaper bag drive had a deadline of March 25th and this was posted April 24th. Is the pro-life diaper bag drive still even open? I'm sure it's still open. But 40 empty bags at $30 each is $1200, and I think I could buy and fill more than 40 bags for $1200, especially buying in bulk someplace. You could give almost 50 women a $25 gift card to buy what they need for that amount. Oh yeah, the numbers make no sense at all, unless you're 31 Bags (because apparently neither the hostess nor the consultant are making any money off of this). I just thought it was weird to post about the pro-life diaper drive after the deadline. Is it really still ongoing, in which case I would expect something like "we missed our initial deadline but would still like to make this happen somehow" or "deadline extended" or something along those lines. Unless this was posted merely to get reactions out of people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 18:42:24 GMT
No. Discrediting the person instead of debating the topic is not the same as objecting to doing that. Do you really NOT understand this? You can't pull that old "discrediting the person" chestnut out here. No one discredited OP. Many criticized the organization and the fundraiser. No wonder you support Trump. You think that any fact that contradicts your narrative is an assault. Any opinion that differs from yours gets under your thin little skin. You want to drink liberal tears but then act like a sad little snowflake when presented with truth. And I'm not trying to discredit you; discrediting would imply that you had any kind of credibility to begin with. Nice try, but saying that you and 31 are just in this in this for the money, you want to take away women's right to choose and you didn't present this in the right way are most certainly attempts at discrediting the OP.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2019 19:43:20 GMT
No. Discrediting the person instead of debating the topic is not the same as objecting to doing that. Do you really NOT understand this? You can't pull that old "discrediting the person" chestnut out here. No one discredited OP. Many criticized the organization and the fundraiser. No wonder you support Trump. You think that any fact that contradicts your narrative is an assault. Any opinion that differs from yours gets under your thin little skin. You want to drink liberal tears but then act like a sad little snowflake when presented with truth. And I'm not trying to discredit you; discrediting would imply that you had any kind of credibility to begin with. yep!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 25, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
You can't pull that old "discrediting the person" chestnut out here. No one discredited OP. Many criticized the organization and the fundraiser. No wonder you support Trump. You think that any fact that contradicts your narrative is an assault. Any opinion that differs from yours gets under your thin little skin. You want to drink liberal tears but then act like a sad little snowflake when presented with truth. And I'm not trying to discredit you; discrediting would imply that you had any kind of credibility to begin with. Nice try, but saying that you and 31 are just in this in this for the money, you want to take away women's right to choose and you didn't present this in the right way are most certainly attempts at discrediting the OP. FACT 31 makes money on this "fundraiser". If the OP benefits from having the "party" then it is also a fact that she benefits.
NOT a bit of that discredits the OP. It is just fact, plain and simple. Taking away a woman's right to choose? How ironic considering what the OP has posted. Turning away those who CHOOSE something that they don't agree with. And the poster who stated that IF the topic/fundraiser had been presented differently, then she may have considered donating. That is NOT discrediting the OP. It is expressing a DIFFERENT opinion. You know, that war cry that you post ad naseum, when you have nothing else to discuss (which is almost always). YOU don't like that others have a differing opinion, then you whine and gaslight that its only the liberals doing it. You are the biggest hypocrite on the board, and inkedup was correct...you have ZERO credibility here anymore.
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Post by disneypal on Apr 25, 2019 21:25:27 GMT
izzyscraps - I haven’t read all the replies but wanted to say what a wonderful and self-less thing you are doing for your 40th year.
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Post by bigbundt on Apr 25, 2019 22:32:39 GMT
at least in the US, hospitals have been moving away from the free formula giveaways (sponsored, of course, by formula companies) in favour of pushing breastfeeding. I think there are pros and cons to both approaches so not passing a value judgment but I wouldn't count on a free diaper bag at birth anymore. Granted my “baby” is almost nine, but when I had her I left the hospital with a free sling style diaper bag with a can of formula inside, a small soft sided cooler bag and reusable ice pack to transport a couple bottles of milk or formula, I’m sure samples of diapers and wipes AND a free Medela electric breast pump. So even though there is definitely more of a push toward breastfeeding, the hospitals around here try to cover all their bases. (And FWIW, the diaper bag came from Similac and had the company logo embroidered on it down in the corner.) My oldest is almost nine as well and I was planning to breastfeed so I didn't have any bottles or formula at my house. Turned out I was unable to breastfeed. After hearing for years from friends who left hospitals so laden with free diaper bags, diapers, and cases of formula that they had to make multiple trips to get it all to the car, I asked if they had anything I could take home. I got a 4 ounce ready to feed bottle. One. And whatever was left of the opened newborn diaper pack. We had to stop at the store on the way home from discharge for bottles and formula. With my three year old, nothing. Not even diapers as they brought them to me two at a time. Both times a social worker stop by to see if I was eligible for Medicaid or WIC. That is probably very helpful to a new mother in need. To the OP, your heart is in the right place but $30 straight to the organization would probably do more good than organizing something through a consultant in 31.
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Post by valincal on Apr 26, 2019 0:47:04 GMT
It’s like Operation Christmas Child for unwanted pregnancies...listen to our message and you get a door prize!! 🤪
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Post by jubejubes on Apr 26, 2019 1:05:49 GMT
It’s like Operation Christmas Child for unwanted pregnancies...listen to our message and you get a door prize!! 🤪 Samaritan’s Purse As the number of donated shoeboxes grew year by year, Dave and Jill looked for a worthy organization to assume leadership of the program. In 1993, Franklin Graham, International President of Samaritan’s Purse, adopted Operation Christmas Child. Later that year, Samaritan’s Purse delivered its first gift-filled shoeboxes to children in war-torn Bosnia. Since then, shoebox gifts have been delivered to more than 157 million children in over 130 countries. In 2017, Canadians donated 615,120 Operation Christmas Child shoeboxes. Each shoebox is given regardless of a child’s gender, race, or religion. When it is culturally appropriate and we have local approval to do so, at the same time children receive their shoeboxes we also offer them The Greatest Gift—a booklet telling the story of Jesus’ birth, life, death, and resurrection. Through the booklet, we offer children and their families hope for not just now but for eternity
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Post by valincal on Apr 26, 2019 1:35:34 GMT
What’s your point, jubejubes? Proselytizing to children is not ok (to put it mildly), and especially to children of other faiths. Flip it around...if other non-Christian religions evangelized to disadvantaged American children I don’t think you’d be on board with that. The OP wants to hand out gifts with strings attached. Yuck.
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Post by flanz on Apr 26, 2019 18:27:30 GMT
Interesting that ‘sharing the gospel’ isn’t mentioned anywhere on the website. Is that just a surprise freebie when vulnerable young women come looking for the ‘non- judgmental’ support? www.parkgateclinic.com/Default.aspxYes, my first thought in reading the OP's post was wondering about just what "sharing the gospel" looks like? Pix of aborted embryos? I can well imagine a "high pressure sell" to make the "right choice."
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