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Post by monklady123 on May 22, 2019 12:41:37 GMT
I am a person of faith. I have found great comfort and peace in my faith, especially during times of tragedy. I'm not a stranger to great loss; I would not be alive today if it were not for my faith. I was a person of faith. I wanted to die on a weekly basis after attending church. I wanted to be in a heaven with my loved ones rather than this evil world. I'm glad it worked out for you. I know I did everything that was required of me. I knew I was doing what Jesus would want me to do. Now, I do what is best for me. I don't put God first I put me and my family first. If there is a God, I'm confident that he as a perfect omnipotent being would understand. A huge burden has been lifted off of my shoulders.
Either way, it doesn't matter to me. When I was religious, it absolutely mattered to me. It cheapened God. When you are a musician who uses profane language and sexually graphic words, it's disrespectful to everything God is not. If it weren't for this board, I never would have believed that people could take such heartfelt, innocent ideals and twist them to mean something as offensive as they do. I really don't know what to say, but your comment makes me very sad and it's a further reminder to avoid any form of religion. You’d probably fit right in at my church. Here’s our hippy pastor...the guy in tie-dye with the guitar, getting ready to lead a protest a few months ago. 😜 As someone who belonged to a religion that did their own protesting, and probably the opposite of yours it bothers me when I see religions involved in politics. If they feel that strongly, then their tax exempt status needs to be taken away.Jesus was very "political". It is written right there in scripture. My church, and most of the progressive churches that I know of in this area (can't speak for outside my presbytery) are not at all partisan, but they are very political. We preach the Gospel message -- welcome the stranger, help the poor, advocate for those who have no voice, etc. Often, especially these days, some will interpret that as "you are preaching against trump's immigration policies" or "you are preaching against the current administration's policies that are cutting aid to children and families"... No, we are preaching "welcome the stranger among you" and "as you do to the least of these..." If some wish to interpret that as "political"...well that's on them. If my pastor -- or I for that matter, since I do preach in churches from time to time -- stood up and said "in the next election we must vote for this person [naming his/her name]"... then yes, that would be partisan "political". But I have never heard that happen in progressive churches. I have heard it though from some of the non-denominational evangelical ones. I have attended a local mega church where I heard the pastor preach "the reason Bush, Sr. lost was to pave the way for Bush, Jr... God wanted President George W. Bush in the White House!" Now that's partisan.
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Post by pyccku on May 22, 2019 13:00:23 GMT
While people like to believe that there is a reason for things, it doesn't make it true. Some bad people are 'saved' while some good people are lost. It's human nature to want to rationalize things - it's too painful for us to believe that sometimes shit just happens.
The thing with religion is that since there's no way to prove or disprove anything, there is always a way to rationalize things. If your prayers are answered, "God is good." If your prayers aren't answered, "God works in mysterious ways." If your loved one dies, "God needed them in heaven!" If your loved one survives, "God is great, and healed them!" There's always a reason that people will give that take let God off the hook. Nobody ever says "well, maybe God was just being a jerk that day" - although that's pretty much what happens in the book of Job.
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Post by Merge on May 22, 2019 13:24:08 GMT
Addendum regarding my source in the OP.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 13:30:17 GMT
"Ten people lost their lives on May 18, 2018. Many more were injured, including Sarah Salazar. The teenager suffered a gunshot wound to her shoulder. She is still recovering emotionally and physically from the horrific incident. Her mother, Sonia Lopez, told ABC13 Eyewitness News that by God's grace, she survived the shooting. "She told Him that she wasn't scared to die. The Lord chose to save her. I think it's just a miracle," said Lopez. "Sarah was never scared to go back to school. She understands that a shooting can happen anywhere." abc13.com/santa-fe-survivors-mom-the-lord-chose-to-save-her/5309184/I linked the article w/her quote. She said it.
That's one of the articles I did find. But when you listen to the audio and then read the print the part of the quote here when she says "Sarah was never scared to go back to school" was not preceded by the "The lord chose to save her. I think it's just a miracle". I am not saying she didn't say some "christianese" phrase that gives her comfort (she referenced the grace of God), but I am just so fed up with attention grabbing headlines that when you read the articles, or listen to the videos are never quite what they seem. Of course we do that to each other here on the board a lot. Someone posts a longer then average post about a situation and we can pull one sentence out of the whole thing and rip a person to shreds.
The article is nothing but bulletin points quotations that do not match with the video. I would be curious the conversations she had. How were the questions phrased.
Scriptures says sun rises on the evil and the good, and that the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Bad things happen to all types of people. Good things will happen to all types of people. It's not a question of anyone being better.
As a complete aside, my dad's second wife is clinging to life right now. Came through surgery wonderfully but not waking up. My family and her family comprise all ranges of beliefs. My sister dabbled in Wicca, and is a borderline atheist, my dad goes to Mass when he can, her family is mostly agnostic, my nephew is bitter etc etc. My mom died on a transplant list so this real hard on him as you can imagine. My sister sent me a message saying "we could use one of your miracles right now". Now there is underlining bitterness in her comment, and maybe some desperation. But I didn't rise to the bait. She's in pain, I am not home with them either. Dad asked me to wait and come back later this summer when he will need me more. I don't believe in the concept of 'miracles' that you see in bible times but I do believe in the providence of God. He provides for us. I know what people are really saying when something happens and they declare it a miracle so I try and not pick apart their phrases and look to their intent. I know if my dad's wife dies folks will be angry at God, I know that if she lives they will be thanking Him for awhile till life goes back to normal and they remember they do not believe in Him. That's OK too. I am not praying for miraculous healing, I pray for peace of mind that whatever decisions they make this week they are able to live with. I am scared to say the wrong thing to any one of them. Her daughters, my dad, my sister. I basically send a text in the morning saying "i love you. I am thinking about you, I am praying". and then another in the evening (he has no minutes on his phone).
Just because the video editors edited it out doesn't mean she didn't say it. She is quoted as having said it. Video editing pure and simple. It also means they have more sense than she does and were trying not to portray her insensitivity and are more thoughtful than she is. Sorry about your dad's wife. Hope she recovers. Re: Prayers, wicca, incantations, TM,, etc --- As John Lennon said "Whatever gets you through the night [zinger addendum "involving only consenting adults"], it's alright."
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Post by Country Ham on May 22, 2019 14:14:51 GMT
Just because the video editors edited it out doesn't mean she didn't say it. She is quoted as having said it. Video editing pure and simple. It also means they have more sense than she does and were trying not to portray her insensitivity and are more thoughtful than she is. That was my whole point. Editing. I just wish I could see the whole interview, speech etc. It might of been said as glibly as the headline would make it appear, or it might of been part of a whole conversation where an interviewer was leading her. I am not disagreeing with you at all.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 22, 2019 17:23:22 GMT
Why do people believe that a non existant sky wizard would save one child over another? Very insensitive to suggest that one young person is more worthy than another.
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Post by chlerbie on May 22, 2019 19:19:07 GMT
I have to admit I generally roll my eyes when someone posts something on Facebook and then ends it with "God is so good." As an agnostic, I wonder why good things sometimes happen to me, too and what the explanation is for it. Maybe he's buttering me up and hoping I'll swing his way.
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Post by pyccku on May 23, 2019 1:23:28 GMT
I have to admit I generally roll my eyes when someone posts something on Facebook and then ends it with "God is so good." As an agnostic, I wonder why good things sometimes happen to me, too and what the explanation is for it. Maybe he's buttering me up and hoping I'll swing his way. Or maybe he meant to fire the smite canon at you, but pushed the wrong button?
I think it would be interesting to start putting that at the bottom of random facebook posts. Things like "we had tacos tonight - taco Tuesday! God is good." or "I'm so sick of this same commercial playing 50 times during my favorite show. God is good!" or maybe "it turns out the chlamydia wasn't from the one-night stand I had after all; my husband was actually cheating on me and that's who I got it from. God is good!"
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 1:46:24 GMT
I have to admit I generally roll my eyes when someone posts something on Facebook and then ends it with "God is so good." As an agnostic, I wonder why good things sometimes happen to me, too and what the explanation is for it. Maybe he's buttering me up and hoping I'll swing his way. Or maybe he meant to fire the smite canon at you, but pushed the wrong button?
I think it would be interesting to start putting that at the bottom of random facebook posts. Things like "we had tacos tonight - taco Tuesday! God is good." or "I'm so sick of this same commercial playing 50 times during my favorite show. God is good!" or maybe "it turns out the chlamydia wasn't from the one-night stand I had after all; my husband was actually cheating on me and that's who I got it from. God is good!"
I double dog dare you.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on May 24, 2019 1:38:35 GMT
A very close friend was able to post about her son passing the 4 year mark of being in remission. So many comments that followed talked about how god had chosen him to live or that god has a special plan for his life. I guess god didn’t give a shit about my daughters life. I didn't want to like your post, but yeah. People are giant assholes. How can you NOT take that personally? ((hugs)) I agree. I'm just thinking that comment puts a lot of pressure on the the child/person involved.
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