naby64
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Post by naby64 on Aug 2, 2019 0:30:37 GMT
allipeas I wondered if he did kill her. He loves her and knows they can't stay there, she wouldn't survive without him it seems, that he/they can't get her out...All the whats and ifs. I wondered if he gave her the gun to either protect herself and take out as many as she can or to kill herself so they don't use her to make her an example of. Hope you find wi-fi! I believe when he came back to the house after running away, we can hear him telling the Martha’s to take his wife up to her room. June was in his office and heard him saying this. So I think she is still alive. Ok, my mistake watching last night was watching it after being out of town shopping and being tired. What you both have said makes sense. I most likely did miss a couple of lines. I also for sure think Serena had something to do with Fred being caught. She just seemed...guarded, almost melancholy, as they were making their way to the Canada.
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Post by craftymom101 on Aug 2, 2019 1:56:57 GMT
I believe when he came back to the house after running away, we can hear him telling the Martha’s to take his wife up to her room. June was in his office and heard him saying this. So I think she is still alive. Ok, my mistake watching last night was watching it after being out of town shopping and being tired. What you both have said makes sense. I most likely did miss a couple of lines. I also for sure think Serena had something to do with Fred being caught. She just seemed...guarded, almost melancholy, as they were making their way to the Canada. I agree with you that Serena pulled the trigger and had Fred arrested. I think she doesn’t trust she will get Nicole back and trading her freedom in Canada for a war criminal (Fred), and the opportunity to see Nicole, makes sense. She was too... quiet and reserved during that trip, like she was constantly thinking about what was to come.
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Post by naby64 on Aug 2, 2019 2:33:00 GMT
I also think her goodbye to her Martha seemed unusual if it were just the intended trip. It was almost a thank you and we won't be seeing each other again goodbye.
Ok, the next 2 shows better give us what we want. Answers!
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Post by kernriver on Aug 2, 2019 2:36:56 GMT
Does anyone know why there is also an open fire coming from the stove top in their kitchens?
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Post by naby64 on Aug 2, 2019 2:37:51 GMT
Does anyone know why there is also an open fire coming from the stove top in their kitchens? I figure it is like a fire pit. Or a fireplace. For warmth.
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Post by katybee on Aug 2, 2019 2:54:51 GMT
I thought maybe June would get away with the murder. Because an investigation would expose Jezebel’s and that commander (don’t know his name, but he’s pretty high-ranking, right?) was there, drinking and whoring around. Anyone who would bear witness against June would have to admit they were there as well. And there’s no body at this point—the Martha’s made sure of that. So, at this point, he’s just missing....right? Like Fred is missing...
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Post by birukitty on Aug 4, 2019 14:20:58 GMT
Holy shit box......that is all I got after that last episode. The last 15 minutes hit me like a ton of bricks. GAH!!!! birukitty ... PLEASE tell me that next week isn't the LAST episode. I am already depressed over the GOT ending (which I finally found the time to binge watch the last season last week...TOTAL let down). I'm so sorry! I thought the next episode was the last episode because I was counting episodes-and going by how many they had last season. I could have very well been wrong because I don't have any inside info. I'm not sure when the season ends.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 4, 2019 15:02:44 GMT
Anyone catch the latest episode? Geez, just when I threaten to quit the show, it sucks you right in. Ok, I'll leave a bit of space but obviously spoilers below: Finally, something happened this episode! The past 2 episodes were actually quite good (episode 10 and 11). At the end of episode 11, I was like...what just happened? Did Serena "sell" Fred out to the Canadian government? I am glad that idiot Fred has finally been arrested. I am hoping that Serena is punished too, but it seems that she made a deal with the Canadian government since they didn't read any rights to her. Yes Fred was evil, but so was Serena. I've never had that much sympathy for her, especially after all the vile things she did to June in Season 1. I will never forget the way she beat June for having a miscarriage. She was only nice to June because she wanted access to baby Nicole/Holly. It would be awful if Serena was just able to have a fresh new start in Canada after all the lives she wrecked (Gilead was her idea too). I was so happy to see Fred arrested. I hope the last few episodes are all this good.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 4, 2019 15:13:00 GMT
I don't get how Serena and Fred can be so focused on "their" child. It's not hers, and not his. He knows. Did you catch his comment about how she could possibly go on to have kids with another man? I don't know the exact words. But it almost implied that he knows he's sterile. So why fight so hard for a child that is neither of theirs? How can they justify it? I have a hard time with that part. Of fighting so hard for something that's not rightfully theirs.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 4, 2019 16:41:29 GMT
I don't get how Serena and Fred can be so focused on "their" child. It's not hers, and not his. He knows. Did you catch his comment about how she could possibly go on to have kids with another man? I don't know the exact words. But it almost implied that he knows he's sterile. So why fight so hard for a child that is neither of theirs? How can they justify it? I have a hard time with that part. Of fighting so hard for something that's not rightfully theirs.
Fred is a commander and due to their handmaid having had a baby they have a claim to the baby per Gilead law. Also as a commander Fred can't just let it go and be ok with Nicole being smuggled into Canada. Serena also has wanted a baby so bad and went to great lengths to impregnate June. Fred is also trying to make her happy and bringing Nicole back would do that. Of course it looks like Serena turned on Fred and got him arrested so we'll have to see how that all plays out.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 4, 2019 19:49:31 GMT
I don't get how Serena and Fred can be so focused on "their" child. It's not hers, and not his. He knows. Did you catch his comment about how she could possibly go on to have kids with another man? I don't know the exact words. But it almost implied that he knows he's sterile. So why fight so hard for a child that is neither of theirs? How can they justify it? I have a hard time with that part. Of fighting so hard for something that's not rightfully theirs. Even though Serena told Fred he wasn't Nicole's father, neither of them can say this publicly. The regime would hang all of them in a heartbeat if the truth came out, so fighting for Nicole is fighting for their lives and the rights of Gilead. Serena is so desperate to be a mother, she used Nick to impregnate June when she suspected Fred was infertile (she didn't care about either of them or their feelings, just needed a way to get a baby). Hannah's father lives in Canada, her mother is a Handmaid, but Gilead sees her as belonging to the McKenzies even though her bio parents never gave up their parental rights. The regime stripped parental rights from thousands of families and will fight to keep them all even though these kids aren't rightfully theirs.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 4, 2019 21:11:06 GMT
Oh, I get all that. But they know it's wrong, obviously. So the whole Gilead system was invented by who? Who's the president? the ultimate ruler? We know Fred had a lot of writing it, and also Lawrence...It just makes me wonder, who ultimately is controlling this place, if these other's who did a lot of the making of this place are in such peril?
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 4, 2019 22:03:33 GMT
Oh, I get all that. But they know it's wrong, obviously. So the whole Gilead system was invented by who? Who's the president? the ultimate ruler? We know Fred had a lot of writing it, and also Lawrence...It just makes me wonder, who ultimately is controlling this place, if these other's who did a lot of the making of this place are in such peril? I think Margaret Atwood is going to answer a lot of these questions in her new book coming out next month.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Aug 4, 2019 22:38:39 GMT
Oh, I get all that. But they know it's wrong, obviously. So the whole Gilead system was invented by who? Who's the president? the ultimate ruler? We know Fred had a lot of writing it, and also Lawrence...It just makes me wonder, who ultimately is controlling this place, if these other's who did a lot of the making of this place are in such peril? I think Margaret Atwood is going to answer a lot of these questions in her new book coming out next month. I have had the same questions. If Lawrence and the others were the ones instrumental in creating this system, why can they not change the rules.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 4, 2019 22:39:51 GMT
Oh, I get all that. But they know it's wrong, obviously. So the whole Gilead system was invented by who? Who's the president? the ultimate ruler? We know Fred had a lot of writing it, and also Lawrence...It just makes me wonder, who ultimately is controlling this place, if these other's who did a lot of the making of this place are in such peril?
In addition to the book sequel I think the storylines will continue to unfold in seasons to come.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 4, 2019 23:49:05 GMT
I have had the same questions. If Lawrence and the others were the ones instrumental in creating this system, why can they not change the rules. exactly!!! I thought her sequel was going to be many many years in the future. 15 yrs...so Gilead is still in existence 15 yrs later, but where does that put it in the tv show storyline?
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 5, 2019 4:36:13 GMT
I have had the same questions. If Lawrence and the others were the ones instrumental in creating this system, why can they not change the rules. exactly!!! I thought her sequel was going to be many many years in the future. 15 yrs...so Gilead is still in existence 15 yrs later, but where does that put it in the tv show storyline? Too many other Commanders are happy with the way things are and don't want change. Commander Lawrence is already under suspicion and can't travel between districts, so he's in no position to make change legally. What Atwood has said about The Testaments is that it will be set 15 years in the future, narrated by three female characters and answer everything she's ever been asked about Gilead and the inner workings. It doesn't mean Gilead still exists, just that we will be learning more details about how Gilead came to be from three different points of few. I doubt there will be any references to the main characters and events of the current series, except maybe Fred, Serena and Joseph's roles at the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if the book revolves around war crime trials for the leaders of Gilead.
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Post by rainangel on Aug 6, 2019 21:50:50 GMT
So I started watching this show 2 weeks ago, and just finished the last episode in season 3 that is available. A new episode comes out tomorrow, and the last episode of season 3 comes out next week. And holy shitballs! This show is a real rollercoaster, isn't it? It's been quite intense watching three seasons in a 2-week span, and I can't wait for the last two episodes of season 3. I had to check, and it looks like Nick is coming back for the last two episodes. PRAISED BE! I really like his storyline, and I secretly hope for a storyline where June has to choose between him and Nick. There are possibilities for some real drama there. Is Nick a warcriminal? Will Luke and June's relationship be the same after her years of captivitity? I loathe Aunt Lydia, obviously, and my hate for her did not get any better after her flashback episode where she pretty much acted like an incel. 'Oh you won't have sex with me? Let me destroy everyone's lives!' New episode tomorrow!! Are you ready??
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 6, 2019 23:23:41 GMT
Oh, I get all that. But they know it's wrong, obviously. So the whole Gilead system was invented by who? Who's the president? the ultimate ruler? We know Fred had a lot of writing it, and also Lawrence...It just makes me wonder, who ultimately is controlling this place, if these other's who did a lot of the making of this place are in such peril? Commander Lawerence made it up. But I think he now sees it as a failed experiment. I'm not sure what episode but June said something about him writing the book. I think he was a writer and people read his books and took him more seriously then he did himself. There is a council or committee who runs Gilead.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 14, 2019 12:37:39 GMT
Who else bawled watching today's episode? It was episode 13 so was that the season finale?
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 14, 2019 13:53:33 GMT
Who else bawled watching today's episode? It was episode 13 so was that the season finale? It's on my "to do" list this morning in between loads of laundry. I have a feeling we are going to be left with a big cliff hanger.
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Post by casii on Aug 14, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
My Hulu quit on me halfway through and I don't have time to watch the rest until later tonight. I'm going to be in suspense until then!
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 14, 2019 18:36:09 GMT
I really had to suspend imagination. Too much happened that was impossible to happen. I finished off the season feeling disappointed.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 17, 2019 1:29:19 GMT
Just watched the finale. What happened to Nick??? I thought he was suppose to be in the last 2 episodes? How could what Serena did be any worse then all those other things she admitted to doing? The whole nick and June think? that was lame.
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Post by magenta on Aug 17, 2019 4:12:21 GMT
Spoilers ahead! I wanted to cry hoping Hannah would get off the plane, but knowing she wouldn't. Did any of the Martha's or handmaids die during the rock throwing/distraction scene? I thought I saw someone lying still, but my screen was so dark.
I started watching this year in May and binge watched everything, then for season three watched a few episodes at a time instead of waiting week to week. I read that Nick's last scenes were cut to make the viewers feel as lost as June at his absence. Makes sense, but I do wish he was back in the series. I'm glad it ended on a somewhat hopeful note with the kids making it to Canada and the other handmaids saving June. This will tide me over for the year.
I'm not sure I'm going to renew Hulu after the $.99 special is done, so I might even have to wait until the season comes out on DVD. I'll miss watching Hulu in my room because I watched on a Sony BluRay player. I also read there are plans to have the series for airing for at least ten years. I don't know if I can take all those potential cliff hangers!
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Post by craftmepink on Aug 17, 2019 11:43:53 GMT
I also read that they decided to cut Nick's scenes and other scenes b/c it didn't have enough time. Hmm, I think they could have cut about 5 or so episodes out where the same thing happened every time. They wasted a lot of time showing close ups of June's face. The show only got exciting about the last 3 episodes.
Nonetheless, the show still has me hooked...I was sad for Luke that Hannah didn't get off the plane. Glad at least Rita made it there. Would have loved to see Janine escape. The daughter reuniting with her father was also nice.
Overall, I thought it was a nice season finale, at least some people got a happy ending. But I wonder what will they do with Season 4? June, the other handmaids, and marthas couldn't possibly go back to their households after helping all the kids escape. I hope the next Season is an actual resistance season where Gilead really begins to crumble. I would like to see Gilaed vs. Canada and how everyone who escaped is coping with their life in Canada.
Also happy that Serena got arrested!
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Post by birukitty on Aug 20, 2019 3:45:39 GMT
I've had to really let the episode digest before I could comment on it. I wish they (the producers and writers) had been able to keep the cut episodes in with Nick and other scenes they had to cut for time and made it into a longer episode. It felt as though something was missing from the story line.
I'm so glad that the plane escape worked and that they were able to get all of those children out and rescued to Canada. I wish June had been able to get out and been reunited with her husband and baby but I also know that the main story line (her being there and making changes) would have ended prematurely if they want to go on and have more seasons-she is the main character. I couldn't get my closed captions to work so I couldn't figure out what they were saying about June's older daughter-did she die? I'm going to watch it again with closed captions on-I'll get DS to put them on for me.
I was so thrilled when Serena finally got charged with something else that was enough to put her "behind bars" again. I was pretty pissed with the enormous amount of immunity she got-even to the point of getting visiting time to Nicole. That was too much! Although I did love it when Moria (is that her name?-June's friend) gave it to Serena while she was there to have her visit. She let her have it! At least verbally. I'm sure she'd love to get a few punches in if she could've gotten away with it.
I thought the sacrifice the Martha's and June made to make a distraction so the children and those who went with them had a chance to get on the plane was incredible. They had to have known how much danger lie ahead of them because at that point they knew they weren't getting on the plane and getting out of there.
What will happen to them and June? My hope is they will somehow find a way to get a truck and get out but the borders are closed so that doesn't seem likely. They can't go back to the homes they worked in because they've taken the children. If they get caught they'll all be hanged.
I agree with Craftmepink-I'd like to see next season be a season of resistance. Although we had a lot of episodes that were slow this season (with too many close ups of June's scowling face-agree with you there too Craftmepink) hopefully next season won't continue to go downhill. I really love this show and the book so I'll defiantly continue to watch. Do we really have to wait an entire year for season 4?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 9:37:36 GMT
That last episode was a doosy for sure. I totally get having to let it digest first.
I wonder who will pick up the mantle as leader since Fred is gone. But I have to say I am confused about how things are run. Gilead where June is s eme to have the creators of the new way, but it sure seemed like when Fred and June visited Washington, there were more powerful people there. What is going on with that?
I think there might be an armed struggled next. It seemed they were setting up that possibility when Comm. Laurence was holding the council off from storming the border.
I am at a loss at how the Handmaids are going to survive. Totally depressed that it is going to be a year until we find out. DAMN!
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Post by gale w on Aug 20, 2019 20:26:20 GMT
I never got the impression that Fred was in charge.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 20, 2019 23:05:08 GMT
Well, they sort of gave the impression he was up there. Esp in the flashbacks that show him and Serena out doing those lectures, and then she was shot. It almost looked like they came up with it.
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