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Post by tara on Aug 9, 2019 16:48:01 GMT
I simply can't imagine this happening in Canada. At least, not on such a large scale that I have heard or read about. Maybe I am living under a rock. Canada isn't a perfect country and there are immigration issues. There are a few cases where there are children involved, but those are in front of the courts and everyone has legal representation. I am so sorry about what is happening to my southern neighbour. I never imagined it could happen here. I guess you never say never. I have lost all faith in my fellow man.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 9, 2019 18:07:10 GMT
We’re on our own. We have to contribute to organizations that will help displaced individuals and advocacy groups. If this happens in our own backyards, we just need to do what we can – donate food, donate money, ask businesses to help. That’s all we’ve got right now – our own communities to band together and do the best we can to aid them. Alabama lends a helping hand: linkJust a day after immigration enforcement agents detained hundreds of workers during several raids in Mississippi, a group of Alabama immigrant justice advocates crossed the state line to help the affected families. Monica Black, spokesperson for the Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice (ACIJ), and a few other members spent their Thursday on the road as they traveled to central Mississippi, where nearly 600 U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents detained 680 immigrants at several food processing plants on Wednesday. ACIJ, the Hispanic Interest Coalition of Alabama and Adelante Alabama Worker Center work together to operate a rapid response plan to help the immigrants affected by raids. Black said they are hosting workshops in Mississippi to teach immigrants about legal proceedings and help them create an emergency family plan. Black said the organization has books in Spanish explaining what documents immigrants will need to have ready in case a family member is detained and forms detailing who will take care of children if parents are detained. "We want to help people in these towns to organize so they can have an idea of what they have to do because right now, they are just in a crisis," Black said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:10:08 GMT
My heart goes out to those children. They are the ones bearing the brunt of the "punishment". How in the world are they going to be able to process an addition 698 people when the courts are already overwhelmed? This was a PR stunt pure and simple. That being said, I have to wonder about the people arrested. Some of them have been here decades. Why in the world have they not taken steps to become legal? I am sure it is not easy and there must be a lot of fear, justified fear, but to live in limbo would be unbearable for me. There were amnesty programs at one time. Are there no other ways for them to get papers? Also, Trump has been warning us for some time now that he was going to do this. Why did not the parents put some kind of back up plan in place? Kind of "if I am arrested will you please take care of my children?" or "if I am arrested go to this adult's house and she will take care of you." While ICE was totally brutal, they were within the law doing what they did. But that does not make it right. Surely there has to be a way around this. Both Dems and Reps have refused to address the issue. There is no good answers. Any solution would anger enough people to cause Congress members to lose their seats. So the issue has grown out of control. All of your questions come from a place of privilege. Your response is the type that ensures questions don't get asked, certain pathways of a conversation will be cut off and important discussions won't be had.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 22:15:32 GMT
My heart goes out to those children. They are the ones bearing the brunt of the "punishment". How in the world are they going to be able to process an addition 698 people when the courts are already overwhelmed? This was a PR stunt pure and simple. That being said, I have to wonder about the people arrested. Some of them have been here decades. Why in the world have they not taken steps to become legal? I am sure it is not easy and there must be a lot of fear, justified fear, but to live in limbo would be unbearable for me. There were amnesty programs at one time. Are there no other ways for them to get papers? Also, Trump has been warning us for some time now that he was going to do this. Why did not the parents put some kind of back up plan in place? Kind of "if I am arrested will you please take care of my children?" or "if I am arrested go to this adult's house and she will take care of you." While ICE was totally brutal, they were within the law doing what they did. But that does not make it right. Surely there has to be a way around this. Both Dems and Reps have refused to address the issue. There is no good answers. Any solution would anger enough people to cause Congress members to lose their seats. So the issue has grown out of control. In the name of all that’s holy, just give them work visas. They’re working, trying to earn an honest living. We’ve always issued work visas. Why not just increase the quota for this and expand the opportunity? I’m well aware it’s the law, but for god’s sake, change the law. Why criminalize the presence of people who have jobs? Why deny them the chance to work at jobs Americans don’t want? We actually have a labor shortage that's negatively affecting industries that depend on them. It just doesn’t make any practical or moral sense to treat them as criminals. Why has it never been fixed in all these years, all the administrations that could have made a difference?
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Post by dewryce on Aug 9, 2019 23:04:38 GMT
All of your questions come from a place of privilege. Your response is the type that ensures questions don't get asked, certain pathways of a conversation will be cut off and important discussions won't be had. Only if someone doesn’t want to have the conversation in the first place. She wasn’t insulting the poster at all as there is nothing wrong with being privileged or having privilege. But it is important that those of us who are/have learn to take a step back and look outside of our bubbles and consider what we might not be seeing/grasping because of our difference life experiences than those without.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 10, 2019 0:19:59 GMT
Your response is the type that ensures questions don't get asked, certain pathways of a conversation will be cut off and important discussions won't be had. Only if someone doesn’t want to have the conversation in the first place. She wasn’t insulting the poster at all as there is nothing wrong with being privileged or having privilege. But it is important that those of us who are/have learn to take a step back and look outside of our bubbles and consider what we might not be seeing/grasping because of our difference life experiences than those without. Exactly. But some folks think that pointing out their privilege and the fact that they're not really considering a perspective/lived experience other than their own is the same thing as insulting them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 1:58:46 GMT
Only if someone doesn’t want to have the conversation in the first place. She wasn’t insulting the poster at all as there is nothing wrong with being privileged or having privilege. But it is important that those of us who are/have learn to take a step back and look outside of our bubbles and consider what we might not be seeing/grasping because of our difference life experiences than those without. Exactly. But some folks think that pointing out their privilege and the fact that they're not really considering a perspective/lived experience other than their own is the same thing as insulting them. Yes and knowing that, why bring that into a discussion knowing it will stifle it? When you know that to many, it reads as a handslap for asking those questions, why not make a new thread making your point generally as opposed to making it look like you're handslapping someone personally for their questions? Then you don't stop that line of discussion and teach others not to go there in the future. Not a handslap on you either, just something to consider.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 10, 2019 2:57:41 GMT
Why has it never been fixed in all these years, all the administrations that could have made a difference? For many reasons.. the conditions in Central America have become far worse over the years.... Aid has been cut, the USA has always been the land of opportunity, Work Visa are not being issued, the politicians have not been able to agree on anything, that is BOTH parties, although the GOP did have the majority for the first two years of trump's term and did nothing didn't even try, they also were in the majority during years of the Obama administration... but still both parties are at fault!! Americans will not do what has always been called 'stoop labor' whether the hours needed, the money etc...
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Post by Merge on Aug 10, 2019 3:05:08 GMT
Exactly. But some folks think that pointing out their privilege and the fact that they're not really considering a perspective/lived experience other than their own is the same thing as insulting them. Yes and knowing that, why bring that into a discussion knowing it will stifle it? When you know that to many, it reads as a handslap for asking those questions, why not make a new thread making your point generally as opposed to making it look like you're handslapping someone personally for their questions? Then you don't stop that line of discussion and teach others not to go there in the future. Not a handslap on you either, just something to consider. Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2019 3:34:43 GMT
It's hard too believe the low number of work visas. Obviously we need to add more. Let them come and work here legally. We rely on them and that's not going to change so come up with a way to do it legally. The system is beyond screwed up and had been for decades. I don't know much about it but it's obviously messed up. Figure out a legal way to do this and give them some protections as now it's almost a modern day slavery.
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Post by busy on Aug 10, 2019 3:51:59 GMT
Yes and knowing that, why bring that into a discussion knowing it will stifle it? When you know that to many, it reads as a handslap for asking those questions, why not make a new thread making your point generally as opposed to making it look like you're handslapping someone personally for their questions? Then you don't stop that line of discussion and teach others not to go there in the future. Not a handslap on you either, just something to consider. Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead? It’s much like white people who expect people of color to educate them on what’s racist and what’s not, rather than to put any effort in themselves. There are a lot of resources out there to understand the immigration issue better. Instead of viewing the issue through the privilege of a white, middle class or above, American citizen, seek out resources and learn. Do the work. If you expect immigrants to “do it the right way,” maybe you should at least know what that is.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 10, 2019 4:17:10 GMT
I found this: Seriously, fuck this President.was by my brother's house today and when I drove away, down the block, a house on the corner had trump/pence 2020 sh!t out front of their home. I don't know who lives there but I already think less of them especially with the 2020 added. If you can support this team after all the inhumane sh!t that's gone down, sorry but I think less of you. If you can put other agendas (claiming better economy etc) over human decency, well... what @sockmoney said.^^^
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In the name of all that’s holy, just give them work visas. They’re working, trying to earn an honest living. We’ve always issued work visas. Why not just increase the quota for this and expand the opportunity? I’m well aware it’s the law, but for god’s sake, change the law. Why criminalize the presence of people who have jobs? Why deny them the chance to work at jobs Americans don’t want? We actually have a labor shortage that's negatively affecting industries that depend on them. It just doesn’t make any practical or moral sense to treat them as criminals. Why has it never been fixed in all these years, all the administrations that could have made a difference? I don’t know. Our immigration system and laws have been dysfunctional for almost as long as I’ve been alive and we’re never able to respond accordingly with economic demands for immigrant labor. We’ll sometimes do ad hoc corrections/modifications for labor and humanitarian purposes (like DACA, Temporary Protected Status, Diversity Immigrant Visa), but we’ve always failed to overhaul the system and reform those laws and policies that are actually working against us. I’ve mentioned it many times already – our quotas are way too low to meet labor demands, whether it be for high-skilled H1B, or lower-skilled H2A and H2B, and they’re temporary on top of it. Legal immigration (non-family-based) takes twenty years. There’s the issue of backlog there but truly, the issue again is quota – visa quotas for legal immigration per year are unrealistically low. On top of it, we made our processes so complex and confusing (just like our tax system), and our laws have remained so rigid and outdated that it takes years to even get on a visa waiting list. And, btw, there are close to 4 million applicants on waiting lists. It actually hampers our country, economy and those who want to come here legally. What it actually does is it incentivizes immigrants to circumvent said processes. That’s primarily why we end up with millions of undocumented immigrants. In 2016-2017, approx 62% of illegal immigration was comprised of overstayers (that’s why a wall doesn’t solve the problem). Overstayers get student visas or tourist visas, which are much easier to obtain, and once expired, they’ll disappear in the US and seek work where employers do not fully comply with E-Verify. Again, that's a result of the barriers I mentioned above. Because, really, think about it – who would want to be an undocumented immigrant? If there was a reasonable process and a reasonable waiting period, why would anyone want to do it illegally? Why would anyone wish to be a second-class member of society and hide from immigration authorities? This is why when people say they should just do it legally, I know right away they're not aware of how difficult it is. They seem to think it's as simple as it was during the Ellis Island era. I'm not advocating we just open our borders and allow everyone in. No country can or should do that. What I'm advocating for is that those who have jobs and sustain themselves and their families be allowed to stay as legal residents because they are contributors to society and our economy. What I would like to see is for them not to be treated as criminals but instead be given the opportunity to apply for permanent residency and eventually, to apply for citizenship. Let’s also stop separating parents from their children. There simply is no justification for that. If the children were born in the US, allow the undocumented parents to apply for permanent residency instead of deporting them. These challenges aren't really insurmountable, but because of politics we can’t solve them. For example, in 2013, the Dem Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform package, but the GOP House refused to vote on it. In prior years, because Congressional gridlock couldn’t overhaul the entire system, little by little, the function of making and revising immigration laws was passed on to the Executive and Judicial branches for the president to make policies and the courts to figure out what is lawful and what is not. It’s nuts.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 10, 2019 4:33:25 GMT
I actually do not blame employers. When you have a labor shortage and Americans don’t want these jobs, you need bodies to keep your enterprise viable, and the undocumented are the ones who are willing and able to do them. I knew a tree maintenance company owner who informed me of this reality back in the early ‘90s. He told me that when his company was raided, he had to replace almost three-quarters of his workforce. Many were hired but guess who stayed past one week? The undocumented immigrants. He said every American – whites and blacks – he hired lasted only a week or less because of how hard the job was, and the undocumented ones stay on for years. And he told me this was not an outlier case, that this was very common in his industry. In other words, it’s an economic imperative. I just checked what the quota is for H2B visas (low-skilled, temporary, non-agricultural) and it’s capped at 66,000/year. How do we sustain industries when the shortage of low-skilled labor currently stands at more than a million? I don’t know why we can’t get this down to a science by now – our immigration policies and quotas are almost completely divorced from economic realities. We have a Congress that can change laws but it’s like we’re paralyzed or something and can’t get it done. I agree with you for the most part, but DO blame the employers for not demanding immigration reform and electing officials that will get it done. The article I linked up thread talks about dairy farms in Iowa where employers have a pact to help each other out if one is raided (because they can't exist without undocumented labor) and they keep electing rabid anti-immigrant politicians like Steven King. I do or do not blame the employers to the same extent that I do or do not blame the immigrants. If basically the same "laws were broken" then they should be treated the same. Seems to me both should be treated with the same amount of humanity. They are not. ETA "the same amount of humanity" should be to the good, not the way these poor people have and are being treated. Only half the equation is being treated humanely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 4:39:15 GMT
Why has it never been fixed in all these years, all the administrations that could have made a difference? I don’t know. Our immigration system and laws have been dysfunctional for almost as long as I’ve been alive and we’re never able to respond accordingly with economic demands for immigrant labor. We’ll sometimes do ad hoc corrections/modifications for labor and humanitarian purposes (like DACA, Temporary Protected Status, Diversity Immigrant Visa), but we’ve always failed to overhaul the system and reform those laws and policies that are actually working against us. I’ve mentioned it many times already – our quotas are way too low to meet labor demands, whether it be for high-skilled H1B, or lower-skilled H2A and H2B, and they’re temporary on top of it. Legal immigration (non-family-based) takes twenty years. There’s the issue of backlog there but truly, the issue again is quota – visa quotas for legal immigration per year are unrealistically low. On top of it, we made our processes so complex and confusing (just like our tax system), and our laws have remained so rigid and outdated that it takes years to even get on a visa waiting list. And, btw, there are close to 4 million applicants on waiting lists. It actually hampers our country, economy and those who want to come here legally. What it actually does is it incentivizes immigrants to circumvent said processes. That’s primarily why we end up with millions of undocumented immigrants. In 2016-2017, approx 62% of illegal immigration was comprised of overstayers (that’s why a wall doesn’t solve the problem). Overstayers get student visas or tourist visas, which are much easier to obtain, and once expired, they’ll disappear in the US and seek work where employers do not fully comply with E-Verify. Again, that's a result of the barriers I mentioned above. Because, really, think about it – who would want to be an undocumented immigrant? If there was a reasonable process and a reasonable waiting period, why would anyone want to do it illegally? Why would anyone wish to be a second-class member of society and hide from immigration authorities? This is why when people say they should just do it legally, I know right away they're not aware of how difficult it is. They seem to think it's as simple as it was during the Ellis Island era. I'm not advocating we just open our borders and allow everyone in. No country can or should do that. What I'm advocating for is that those who have jobs and sustain themselves and their families be allowed to stay as legal residents because they are contributors to society and our economy. What I would like to see is for them not to be treated as criminals but instead be given the opportunity to apply for permanent residency and eventually, to apply for citizenship. Let’s also stop separating parents from their children. There simply is no justification for that. If the children were born in the US, allow the undocumented parents to apply for permanent residency instead of deporting them. These challenges aren't really insurmountable, but because of politics we can’t solve them. For example, in 2013, the Dem Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform package, but the GOP House refused to vote on it. In prior years, because Congressional gridlock couldn’t overhaul the entire system, little by little, the function of making and revising immigration laws was passed on to the Executive and Judicial branches for the president to make policies and the courts to figure out what is lawful and what is not. It’s nuts. Thank you, I agree with a lot of what you said and you've given me a lot to think about and look more into. For instance what objection did the GOP have to the immigration reform package?
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 10, 2019 4:47:03 GMT
Thank you, I agree with a lot of what you said and you've given me a lot to think about and look more into. For instance what objection did the GOP have to the immigration reform package? Many reasons. Brookings did an analysis, so I'll just leave it for you to read. link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 4:48:39 GMT
Yes and knowing that, why bring that into a discussion knowing it will stifle it? When you know that to many, it reads as a handslap for asking those questions, why not make a new thread making your point generally as opposed to making it look like you're handslapping someone personally for their questions? Then you don't stop that line of discussion and teach others not to go there in the future. Not a handslap on you either, just something to consider. Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead? It isn't only one side of anything that should carefully consider their words, reflect and teach, everyone should. But to say something you know will shut down conversation isn't helping anything. People come to understanding at different times and some will never get there if they know they can't come into a conversation with their current understanding and ask questions because others already know the answers and get bothered because there's someone who doesn't know yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 4:50:23 GMT
Thank you, I agree with a lot of what you said and you've given me a lot to think about and look more into. For instance what objection did the GOP have to the immigration reform package? Many reasons. Brookings did an analysis, so I'll just leave it for you to read. linkThanks, I'll read that.
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Post by Merge on Aug 10, 2019 21:40:33 GMT
Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead? It isn't only one side of anything that should carefully consider their words, reflect and teach, everyone should. But to say something you know will shut down conversation isn't helping anything. People come to understanding at different times and some will never get there if they know they can't come into a conversation with their current understanding and ask questions because others already know the answers and get bothered because there's someone who doesn't know yet. I disagree that pointing out that someone's words come from a place of privilege is "shutting down conversation." It appears from my perspective - and this has been for years, not just now - that any attempts to speak truth here are seen as being "mean" or "shutting down conversation." Personally, I'm over it. There is plenty of information out there for those who seek it. There is really no excuse for people in a place of privilege to have a "current understanding" that is completely devoid of facts - it seems to me that in most of these cases, those folks have simply chosen a convenient set of alternative facts they prefer and are sticking with that. And we're supposed to be gentle and understanding about that? I call bull.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 10, 2019 21:49:53 GMT
Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead? It isn't only one side of anything that should carefully consider their words, reflect and teach, everyone should. But to say something you know will shut down conversation isn't helping anything. People come to understanding at different times and some will never get there if they know they can't come into a conversation with their current understanding and ask questions because others already know the answers and get bothered because there's someone who doesn't know yet. Many who care about the humanitarian “side” of all these ICE raids, coupled with Republicans rhetoric on the immigration issue, are feeling “shut down” when we are told (more frequently that you might believe) to couch our words, suppress our outrage/anger/disbelief, that WE need to reflect or learn to teach (rather than just stating fact). I don’t know what “side” you support—it really doesn’t matter, but the humanitarian “side” many of us have chosen to support and represent is being attacked every day, by trump and the administration, with lies, alternative facts, gaslighting and propaganda because they have a platform machine that just won’t stop. It’s getting worse instead of better. Just giving you a glimpse from another POV.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 10, 2019 21:56:17 GMT
Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, and teach? At what point are the people who fail to recognize their own privilege expected to do the introspection instead? It isn't only one side of anything that should carefully consider their words, reflect and teach, everyone should. But to say something you know will shut down conversation isn't helping anything. People come to understanding at different times and some will never get there if they know they can't come into a conversation with their current understanding and ask questions because others already know the answers and get bothered because there's someone who doesn't know yet. To be perfectly honest, I don't have the mental energy to try and teach a message board stranger how to put themselves in the shoes of someone else so they can understand their basic humanity. I just don't. Others may step in and be able to do that. But I don't have it in me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 0:18:10 GMT
It isn't only one side of anything that should carefully consider their words, reflect and teach, everyone should. But to say something you know will shut down conversation isn't helping anything. People come to understanding at different times and some will never get there if they know they can't come into a conversation with their current understanding and ask questions because others already know the answers and get bothered because there's someone who doesn't know yet. To be perfectly honest, I don't have the mental energy to try and teach a message board stranger how to put themselves in the shoes of someone else so they can understand their basic humanity. I just don't. Others may step in and be able to do that. But I don't have it in me. You have started threads in the past trying to get people to learn, become introspective and discuss, sorry then, I thought that's where you were coming from. If not that, then I don't know the purpose of telling her that her questions are coming from white privilege.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 0:25:20 GMT
Yes and knowing that, why bring that into a discussion knowing it will stifle it? When you know that to many, it reads as a handslap for asking those questions, why not make a new thread making your point generally as opposed to making it look like you're handslapping someone personally for their questions? Then you don't stop that line of discussion and teach others not to go there in the future. Not a handslap on you either, just something to consider. Why are those on our side of the argument the only ones who are supposed to carefully consider our words, reflect, Just from this issue alone, try to remember how it felt to explain being politically correct to those who objectEd to it. Everyone who was for being politically correct asked those who thought it was ridiculous to just consider their words, reflect and have empathy for those you may be offending.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 11, 2019 0:46:40 GMT
To be perfectly honest, I don't have the mental energy to try and teach a message board stranger how to put themselves in the shoes of someone else so they can understand their basic humanity. I just don't. Others may step in and be able to do that. But I don't have it in me. You have started threads in the past trying to get people to learn, become introspective and discuss, sorry then, I thought that's where you were coming from. If not that, then I don't know the purpose of telling her that her questions are coming from white privilege. I don’t believe I used the word “white.” But I think it’s interesting that’s how you read it. Here’s the thing: I owe no one my time and energy. So trying to hand slap me for not extending my energy to teach someone to think for a goddamn second about what it’s like to live undocumented? Not gonna work. Y’all need to do your own work sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 1:31:27 GMT
You have started threads in the past trying to get people to learn, become introspective and discuss, sorry then, I thought that's where you were coming from. If not that, then I don't know the purpose of telling her that her questions are coming from white privilege. I don’t believe I used the word “white.” But I think it’s interesting that’s how you read it. Here’s the thing: I owe no one my time and energy. So trying to hand slap me for not extending my energy to teach someone to think for a goddamn second about what it’s like to live undocumented? Not gonna work. Y’all need to do your own work sometimes. Considering those words are most often used together, it's not such a leap. Interesting that it was an issue for you.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 11, 2019 1:39:39 GMT
I don’t believe I used the word “white.” But I think it’s interesting that’s how you read it. Here’s the thing: I owe no one my time and energy. So trying to hand slap me for not extending my energy to teach someone to think for a goddamn second about what it’s like to live undocumented? Not gonna work. Y’all need to do your own work sometimes. Considering those words are most often used together, it's not such a leap. Interesting that it was an issue for you. Seriously, what’s your alter? Because you’re most definitely not new. Creeping back in with a new name and old ways is shady and ineffective. Y’all drag your old stink in on your shoes. Not an issue for me at all that you made the connection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 2:01:07 GMT
Considering those words are most often used together, it's not such a leap. Interesting that it was an issue for you. Seriously, what’s your alter? Because you’re most definitely not new. Creeping back in with a new name and old ways is shady and ineffective. Y’all drag your old stink in on your shoes. Not an issue for me at all that you made the connection. When you mention it, it's clear it's an issue for you. I'm not new and haven't said I am, but nice try at deflection. Now stop the bullshit. I simply said to think about what you say and how it shuts down asking questions. Questions important to further understanding. You can either be introspective and consider it or continue to deflect and diminish. Your choice. It didn't have to be this way.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 11, 2019 2:13:14 GMT
Seriously, what’s your alter? Because you’re most definitely not new. Creeping back in with a new name and old ways is shady and ineffective. Y’all drag your old stink in on your shoes. Not an issue for me at all that you made the connection. When you mention it, it's clear it's an issue for you. I'm not new and haven't said I am, but nice try at deflection. Now stop the bullshit. I simply said to think about what you say and how it shuts down asking questions. Questions important to further understanding. You can either be introspective and consider it or continue to deflect and diminish. Your choice. It didn't have to be this way. I did think about it and I said what I said. I don’t owe strangers on the series of tubes an education on being a human being.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 2:22:07 GMT
When you mention it, it's clear it's an issue for you. I'm not new and haven't said I am, but nice try at deflection. Now stop the bullshit. I simply said to think about what you say and how it shuts down asking questions. Questions important to further understanding. You can either be introspective and consider it or continue to deflect and diminish. Your choice. It didn't have to be this way. I did think about it and I said what I said. I don’t owe strangers on the series of tubes an education on being a human being. Then don't start the education, only to say you don't owe education when it's brought to your attention that the way you went about it stops people from asking questions. I really dont don't want to fight with you, but come ON.
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