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Post by Katiepotatie on Aug 13, 2019 23:40:39 GMT
My hair was straight my whole life until perimenopause started around 4 years ago. All of a sudden it seemed I had frizzy wavy stuff. My hardresser, full of curly hair, encouraged me, but cut it so it would work curly or straight.
This summer I decided to commit to going curly instead of fighting it. I found the curly girl FB groups and jumped right in. My first priority was finding a fast and simple routine that looks cute without much effort. That’s what I need on school days (teacher). I’ve accomplished that. I wash (still haven’t broken that daily habit), condition, spray with a curl leave-in conditioner, then a thinned out gel. All approved products.
But then I see all these other steps, and layering of multiple products. Some women spend hours each day. The results are fabulous! And every now and then I see others speak up about their realities (time restraints, not getting the fab results after a year of trying, etc.) and I realize I’m not alone with the desire to go all out.
So I’m wondering if there are other newish curly-wavy girls who just can’t get into the CG method full force. What do you do to keep it simple?
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Post by nysparkle on Aug 14, 2019 1:47:27 GMT
I am doing my own version of the Curly Girl method after trying a few different products. I wash with Kirkland signature shampoo from Costco. It is Sulfate‑free and Paraben‑free but does have simethicone. I condition with a No-poo called AS I am. I use a leave in condition also from As I Am. These products are very light and silky. I no longer blow dry my Hair. It's best if I let it air dry. I do wrap my head in a towel turban before I let it air dry to absorb as much water as possible.This turban is thinner than a regular bath towel. There are so many videos and bloggers praising different products. I followed one blogger as she had similar hair to mine. In each video she was praising different products. So I had to try on my own and see what worked. I'm happy with how my hair comes out now.
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Post by kluski on Aug 14, 2019 2:27:53 GMT
My colleague jumped on that band wagon. She now only washes with shampoo once a week and washes with conditioner more often. I just can’t do that. My face feels oily enough when I don’t wash it one night I can’t imagine washing weekly.
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Post by fuji on Aug 14, 2019 2:37:50 GMT
I was just looking into this today! I have curly hair but feel like it could look better. I'm going to start by switching product. A video I watched today said to use a t-shirt or microfiber cloth to dry your hair instead of a towel. I'll try that too. I'm not too sure about the washing with shampoo only once a week.
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Post by scrappinfuzzylover on Aug 14, 2019 2:50:15 GMT
Odd that you posted this! I started the Curry Girl Method in December. I gave it time but I’m just not feeling it. It’s time consuming, expensive if you use good products and honestly I haven’t seen as much improvement that I’d hoped. I wanted to embrace my curls but I’m thinking it’s just too much. This week I’ve been considering trying a Brazilian Blowout and see if that makes me happier with my hair. Just what it to be more easily styled!
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 14, 2019 2:59:10 GMT
I have been doing it for two weeks. It's time consuming and I don't know how much longer Im willing to put in on this. Plus my hair looks like crap by the end of the day. It lacks body and looks limp by 3pm.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 14, 2019 3:42:50 GMT
I've been CG for a couple of years now. NO shampoo. Only CG approved products - Trader Joes tea tree conditioner is my favorite.
I co-wash (conditioner wash) multiple times a week, I get drenched when I work out. I am a mom of 4 (1, 3, 6, 8). So my hair is up in a messy bun 99% of the time.
But when I do the whole thing to do my hair curly it is amazing!! But I don't have time to the whole crazy thing most of the time, so up my hair goes. And I can't go more than 48 hours without washing after doing it with product because it makes my head itch.
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Post by Katiepotatie on Aug 14, 2019 4:59:20 GMT
Thanks for your replies. I’m two months in, and it’s overall healthier. It has nice waves and I’m satisfied. But I feel like it could have more volume and be curlier. But maybe I just don’t need that all the time. I think I need to just call it good and occasionally play with products/techniques for improvement.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Aug 14, 2019 7:12:13 GMT
There are a lot of techniques, and products. You don’t have to try them all.
I’ve had great results finding people with hair like mine,( fine, thin, unevenly curly), and trying what works best for them. I can’t spend a lot on product, so I research very carefully before plunking down any money on stuff.
What works for me is wash with Deva shampoo every 5 days or so, then refresh with shower spray or spray bottle on days in between. My hair is dry, and I don’t do much to get dirty. Obviously, this wouldn’t work for everybody. I deep clean once a month.after shampoo, I mix conditioner and gel in my hand and apply while my hair is still pretty wet, scrunching the curls.
I let it air dry to form a cast, then scrunch the crunch out carefully to retain curls but look fuller. Sometimes when wet I put claw clips in and let it dry and when I take the clips out there’s more volume.
I wish I knew all this decades ago!
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Post by GamGam on Aug 14, 2019 10:35:52 GMT
I started using conditioner only for washing last February, and am generally pleased with my hair. It has become more curly than I thought. And I don’t spend much more time on it than I did when I used shampoo. My hair needed moisture and protein since I have it highlighted, and I have only used “approved “ products. I condition it about 3 times a week, and it doesn’t get oily between. For me, it has been a learning process to discover my hair needs, and simpler is better for me since my hair is very fine. My goal was to avoid perms , and I do not need them with conditioning washes.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 14, 2019 12:09:58 GMT
I have been following the method for over 12 years. I cowash and condition in the shower, then apply a bit of curl cream and a tiny bit of gel, then air dry. That's it. If it's cold out and my hair is too wet, I may scrunch with a camp towel. If I find needs more conditioning, I'll do a deep conditioner maybe once a month.
I truly think that the issue that most women have starting out is that they overcomplicate the process.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 14, 2019 12:13:01 GMT
I was just looking into this today! I have curly hair but feel like it could look better. I'm going to start by switching product. A video I watched today said to use a t-shirt or microfiber cloth to dry your hair instead of a towel. I'll try that too. I'm not too sure about the washing with shampoo only once a week. Buy a camp towel - it's more absorbent than a t-shirt and doesn't have the frizz-causing loops that most microfibre towels have.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 14, 2019 12:14:36 GMT
I have a question. What is the difference between co-wash and conditioning?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 14, 2019 12:20:15 GMT
I have a question. What is the difference between co-wash and conditioning? You clean with a cowash, scrubbing your scalp, and then rinse. I typically use a cheap conditioner for this (Suave or VO5, sometimes Burt's Bees). Most conditioners that you would use for curly/wavy hair with be more moisturizing (and you apply from mid-length to ends) than what you would use for cowashing but I do know people who use the same conditioner to cowash, condition, and then as a leave-in.
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Post by farmgirl on Aug 14, 2019 14:32:26 GMT
I have curly, thick hair, that I have subdued with flat irons, curling brushes, etc forever. I started using LUS Brands products about a month ago on a recommendation from a friend. I shampoo and condition one day and then just spray my hair with water the second and sometimes third day. My hair is healthier and EASY. I sometimes dry it with a diffuser but mostly I 'plop' with a t shirt and let air dry. I have awesome curls now. This too is sulfate and paraben free. My hair is grey and the products I used before actually turned it dull and brown over time. I was using baking soda with an apple cider rinse twice a week to brighten it up. Since going with LUS I'm not having to do this. I agree with the others that you DON'T have to do everything in any method, find out what works for you. Curly hair..it has a mind of its own.
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Post by annaintx on Aug 14, 2019 14:34:02 GMT
It does not have to be time consuming. I promise! This is my routine: shower, rinse hair, then use conditioner to "wash" it. I flip my head over, use a different conditioner on the ends, rinse without running fingers through it, squish out conditioner and water. Wrap head in old tshirt for about 2 minutes, then take off t shirt as I want my hair to be really damp but not dripping. I sometimes use a curl creme, then gel on top of that, clip my hair up at the roots and done. Let it air dry. I will walk around the house with the clips in my hair until it's not damp anymore, then flip over, shake it out, and done. FOr days I go to the office, I leave clips in until I get to parking garage, then take them out.
I sometimes do all the same for washing, but only use on product on my hair, but do the rest.
I've been doing this for about 2 years now and the difference in my hair is amazing. Great curls, no damage, my color lasts longer.
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Post by annaintx on Aug 14, 2019 14:37:55 GMT
I have a question. What is the difference between co-wash and conditioning? Co-wash means conditioner wash. I do not use shampoo, I cleanse my hair with conditioner. Sometimes I use a "low-poo" as in low-shampoo, that is approved (ie free of parabens, alcohols, silicones, etc. etc.) You can find lists of approved low poo products on various FB curly hair groups.
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Post by grate on Aug 14, 2019 16:01:15 GMT
OMG-- this is me! Straight hair then after a haircut around menopause time, we noticed the layers let loose some semi curls. Not enough to look good yet too much to look good I just look like frizz which is frustrating because my hair was always my "good feature" haha
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Aug 14, 2019 16:01:57 GMT
I think the CG method is a good place to start then you can figure out what works for your hair. I wash every 2nd or 3rd day depending on my work out schedule. I use DevaCurl no-poo cleanser and then One Condition. I also use their curl cream on days that I wash. On days that I don't wash I still have to get my hair wet and apply another curl cream I have and a leave in conditioner to it. I put my wet hair up in a t-shirt but can't leave it up for very long. My curls have to be down and finger styled and then left to air dry. I've never had any luck putting it up in any way to dry. It just makes it dry in weird shapes and curls. I do have to blow dry my bangs because they dry in the shape of an 'S' on my forehead if I don't pull them straight but that's the only place I use a brush on or dry. Maybe you could try getting your hair wet (not washed) on every other day and reapply some of the products and see how that does.
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Post by shevy on Aug 14, 2019 16:57:21 GMT
I've been curly girl for a few years. I wash once a week with a shampoo that cuts build up (loving Brigio Don't Dispair). Then I use a deep conditioner (currently loving tgin Honey Miracle Deep Conditioner). I cowash 1-2 times a week with asiam cowash.
After any wash, I STC with the cowash, then Curls Creme Brule Whipped Curl Cream. Then I rake in Curls Blueberry Bliss Curl Control Jelly. I lose plop for 5 minutes while brushing my teeth. Then I use the Diva Curl diffuser hand and dry to about 1/4-1/2 of the way. It air drys and then I break any cast about an hour after I start work.
On non wash days I use a spray bottle to wet my hair down, but not soaking. I sometimes add in OGX Locking Coconut Curls and tgin curl bomb, then air dry and break the cast.
Some days, after the sprayer, I use Deva Curl B'Leave-In and then the tgin Curl Bomob emulsified with sprays of water and rake that in.
My hair is 2c/3a/3b curls; low density; medium width. Depending on the weather, it likes protein. And I'm currently about 14 months with no color - going grey. My curls have changed without dye in the hair shaft.
. It took me over a year to figure out what my hair wanted and when it needed different products. I've noticed that depending on the time of year/season, the weather and what I'm doing that I need to change up what I use. I wash/wet my hair every day; I use a dryer sparingly and no implement heat and air dry mostly. It really doesn't take me any longer to do my hair that it did when I used to straighten it dry or use a curling iron. What has happened though, is that I am at work for about 30 min-1 hr with wet looking hair. It doesn't bother me. I scrunch the cast out in the bathroom when it's mostly dry and let it fall where it may.
For me, the last year has been about accepting the hair I have, as it is. Going grey, embracing the curls and letting my hair be how it wants to be.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 14, 2019 17:00:11 GMT
Thanks for your replies. I’m two months in, and it’s overall healthier. It has nice waves and I’m satisfied. But I feel like it could have more volume and be curlier. But maybe I just don’t need that all the time. I think I need to just call it good and occasionally play with products/techniques for improvement. Have you gotten a good cut with a CG or DevaCurl certified stylist? It makes an enormous difference.
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Post by milocat on Aug 14, 2019 18:27:05 GMT
I've always known how to scrunch and diffuse my hair. I've had really short hair for years that I could just blowdry straight and spikey slap some pomade in, done in 3 minutes. I grew my hair out in the last few years and I can't colour my hair, blowdry and heat style it. Plus blow drying it to 100% dry then straightening it or I'd prefer to have some curl and not be flat. That was time consuming!
My hair on curly girl is getting better and better. Sure I have some crappy days but it's healthier I'm still learning. It was time consuming to read about the products and techniques. But my routine is easy. I can wash or not wash, my hair dries really fast. Wash in shower, get out and put some products in, scrunch, squish out some water with a pillowcase. Let dry for a bit, dry with a blowdryer or air dry. Or refresh, spray with water or leave in add some curl cream or gel.
Occasionally clarify, Olaplex, deep condition, protein treatment.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 14, 2019 20:45:08 GMT
There were two threads posted with the same question yesterday. I posted my answer under the second thread which is now on page 2. I'll add some more thoughts here.
I've been doing the CG method for over 10 years. It was so long ago that back then the only curly line that was non-sulfate, non silicone available was Devacurl. Now we have so many lines out there available to us. I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions and please remember there is a ton of misinformation on the internet and all over youtube. When my hair changed from stick straight all my life to wavy during menopause I had no idea how to take care of it so I went looking for a book. I found Curly Girl-The Handbook by Lorraine Massey. She's the one who invented for a better word this whole CG method. Back then when her first book was published there were no products available for washing curly hair without sulfates that were gently enough, so she suggested we use conditioner. That is not the case anymore! While washing with conditioner that is designed as a co-wash is great for high porosity, thick stranded hair, it doesn't work and is too heavy for hair that is low porosity, thin hair. Of course there are always exceptions but that is usually how it works.
A great first step is finding out what kind of hair you have. I have 2C, thin strands, low porosity, and high density (which means I have a ton of hair on my head). The 2C just means that 2 (my hair is wavy) and C it's the most wavy of all. Thin strands means when I run a strand of my hair through my fingers I can barely feel it. Low porosity means it takes a few seconds for my hair to get wet and it takes hours for it to air dry (5-6). Porosity and thinness or thickness of hair strands are the 2 most important things as far as choosing products. My hair needs a shampoo (it doesn't do well with heavy hair products like co-washing or washing with conditioner), and low porosity for me at least means my hair doesn't like protein or glycerin. For this reason I choose hair products without either. If I need protein I do a protein treatment when I need it instead of adding protein each time I wash and condition my hair.
Now I'd like to answer or comment on some of the responses in this thread.
Nysparkle-Simethicone is a silicone which you mentioned is in the Kirkland shampoo. Anything that ends in a cone is a silicone. I'm so sorry to tell you that. I would also change your conditioner because conditioners designed as co-washes such as As I Am have cleansing agents added to them rather than being straight conditioners. If you want to have your hair be on a path to healthy hair you'll have to get rid of that silicone so it makes sense to start over whenever you are ready and want to. There is also this app or website curlsbot.com that will tell you what curly hair products are CG safe or not.
General-transitioning to this CG method takes time to see improvement. If you've had curly hair for awhile and you've been blow drying it or heat styling it straight for some time it will take longer to see improvement. But it will improve. It will be healthier. It's up to you to see how long you can hang in there.
Fuji-you don't have to start out washing your hair only once a week. What's great about this method is that you'll build up to that as your hair improves and gets healthier. I'm not only washing my hair once a week. Wash you hair when it is dirty. I do use a very soft Pima cotton long sleeved T-shirt to wrap my hair in when I get out of the shower in what is known as a plop. You can look up how to do the plopping method on youtube. I only leave my hair up in this t-shirt plop for 10 minutes at the most. It's meant to set you hair in waves/curls, not to dry your hair. I like to air dry my hair.
Scrappinmama-If your hair is looking limp by 3 pm it could be the styling products you are using. What products are you using and what kind of hair do you have? 2 weeks means you are still in the transition phase. If you give it more time your hair will start looking better and better.
Katiepotatie-sounds like you are doing great! Remember that each of us has our inherited curl pattern that is ours. The CG method can help us make our our healthy and increase it's curl potential but it'll never make me a curly girl when I'm a wavy girl. Playing with techniques is great and searching for your holy grail in products is fine too. Personally I love Jessicurl products. They are my holy grail. They are all I use from shampoo to conditioners to styling products.
Curly/Wavy hair needs lot of conditioning. Conditioning adds moisture and moisture is the key to preventing frizz. When you are first starting out weekly deep conditioning treatments really help. I'm at the point now where I do monthly deep conditioning treatments. I use Jessicurl Deep Treatment deep conditioner. Because I have low porosity hair adding heat during the deep conditioning helps to get the deep conditioner to penetrate the hair shaft. I do this by using a heat cap called a Hot Head. It's a cotton cap filled with flax seeds that you microwave. What I do is after slathering my hair with the deep conditioner I cover it with a clear plastic processing cap. These you can buy in a pack of multiples at many drugstores. Then I microwave the cap (which you can order at thermalhaircare.com) and put it on over the clear processing cap. I do this for an hour reheating as needed.
Personally I like using a product line that is water soluble. Those lines are Devacurl, Jessicurl, Raw Curls, and Mop Curl. I may be forgetting one-Innersense I think it one too. All of these lines offer sample sizes through their websites or trail sizes, which is great because you can try them out. The advantage of using a water soluble product is it doesn't cause build up in your hair which is a huge problem. You can counter act it by using a cleansing shampoo once a month or more often as needed but they can be harsh-a good one is Kinky Curly Come Clean and then you have to deep condition to fix the harshness. Although the products may be more expensive up front I think for myself the quality is worth it, especially since I'm only washing my hair once a week.
Getting rid of frizz for me was a matter of finding the right products and techniques. The products I use in order are: Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo followed by JC Too Shea Conditioner. I do a technique called "Squish to Condish" with this conditioner, rinse most of it out leaving a little and then add some JC Aloeba Daily conditioner as my leave in conditioner. My hair is dry due to hair coloring so it needs a lot of conditioner. While adding the leave in conditioner and the styling products I use a technique called "praying hands". By now my hair is still dripping wet and if not I'll add a tiny bit of water so it is-my next two products like to be applied to dripping wet hair. Next I add JC Confident Curls which is a styling product that adds definition. For me it works better than JC Rockin' Ringlets because it doesn't have glycerin (which my hair hates) and JC Rockin' Ringlets does. It also is a curl activator. I'll add this to my hair using the praying hands method and immediately follow that up with JC Spiralious Gel, applied the same way. I do apply everything to my head from top to bottom.
I get out of the shower and plop my hair in a long sleeved pima cotton t-shirt lowering my hair in slow accordion folds till it hits the shirt and then tying it around my head. Plopping is meant to set your hair into waves or curls, not to dry your hair. I leave it on for no more than 10 minutes and get dressed. I take the t-shirt off gently and shake my head gently to let the waves settle down naturally. It's always a miracle to me how they come out. No frizz and settling nicely into place. How do they do that? I do this in the afternoon and my hair is dry by bedtime. I sleep with it still in the crunchy gel form (it's a bit firm in some places) on a silk pillowcase (these help reduce frizz and are around $20.00 on Amazon). By morning my sleep has gotten rid of the stiff gel and my hair is all soft. I like to do this on the weekends.
I can get by with 3 days of great waves worn down and then I get lazy (or my migraines get me) and I'll put it up in a ponytail the rest of the week. I know I can get longer days if I played with it more but most days I'm either too busy or not feeling well.
There is a great website called naturallycurly.com and the facebook group I'm part of is called Curly Girls! Support Group for Curly/Wavy/Natural Healthy Hair. We get a lot of newbies in the facebook group and people in the group are very friendly.
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Post by GamGam on Aug 14, 2019 22:59:20 GMT
Birukitty, Thanks much for this detailed history of your hair journey, and also listing the products and methods you use. There is sooo much wisdom in your post, and it will help me as I continue my journey of getting to know my hair and responds to its needs.
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Post by Katiepotatie on Aug 16, 2019 6:34:55 GMT
OMG-- this is me! Straight hair then after a haircut around menopause time, we noticed the layers let loose some semi curls. Not enough to look good yet too much to look good I just look like frizz which is frustrating because my hair was always my "good feature" haha I was pretty frizzy until I gave in and stopped straightening it and only using approved products. Just those two steps helped immensely!
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Post by Katiepotatie on Aug 16, 2019 6:38:06 GMT
Thanks for your replies. I’m two months in, and it’s overall healthier. It has nice waves and I’m satisfied. But I feel like it could have more volume and be curlier. But maybe I just don’t need that all the time. I think I need to just call it good and occasionally play with products/techniques for improvement. Have you gotten a good cut with a CG or DevaCurl certified stylist? It makes an enormous difference. No. I’ve thought about it. But I’ve been with my hairdresser for years. She knows my hair well and gives exceptional cuts. Very meticulous about every single cut. She also has curly hair, and has been encouraging my curls for years.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 16, 2019 13:29:30 GMT
Scrappinmama-If your hair is looking limp by 3 pm it could be the styling products you are using. What products are you using and what kind of hair do you have? 2 weeks means you are still in the transition phase. If you give it more time your hair will start looking better and better. Thanks for answering all of our questions! I would say that I'm a 2C, depending on the day. I have thin hair, low porous hair, but a lot of it. I can definitely feel product buildup by not washing it every day and I think that's the problem I am having with limp hair. I'm using a Garnier Fructis sulfate free shampoo and conditioner (using shampoo every other day), then I put in a Garnier Curl leave in conditioner cream or Deva Curl B'Leave-In curl plumper then scrunch with a microfiber towel, followed up Garnier Fructish curl constructing foam. I think I'm going to move away from Garnier products and see if I get any improvement.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 16, 2019 19:37:49 GMT
Birukitty, Thanks much for this detailed history of your hair journey, and also listing the products and methods you use. There is sooo much wisdom in your post, and it will help me as I continue my journey of getting to know my hair and responds to its needs. Thanks so much GamGam. I kind of went overboard but I'm so glad it will help you. I've learned so much in the 10+ years that I've done this method and I like to help people. I hope it helps you as you continue your journey down this road. If you have any questions please PM me or join the facebook group. I learn things from the group even today. One thing I'd like to add that I forgot to mention yesterday. When I take my hair down from the plop sometimes I won't like how it looks (I'm a perfectionist). When that happens because it's still really wet (it's only been in the plop less than 10 minutes) I'll grab my wide tooth comb and just comb through my hair making it all straight again. While it air dries it will form by itself into waves because it has the styling ingredients in it. If I don't like how it looks when it's dry I'll wear it in a ponytail that week. I did this a lot until I found just the right products that worked for my hair without frizz (no glycerin for me).
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Post by nysparkle on Aug 16, 2019 20:04:28 GMT
Nysparkle-Simethicone is a silicone which you mentioned is in the Kirkland shampoo. Anything that ends in a cone is a silicone. I'm so sorry to tell you that. I would also change your conditioner because conditioners designed as co-washes such as As I Am have cleansing agents added to them rather than being straight conditioners. If you want to have your hair be on a path to healthy hair you'll have to get rid of that silicone so it makes sense to start over whenever you are ready and want to. There is also this app or website curlsbot.com that will tell you what curly hair products are CG safe or not. Thanks for the site to research products. I will look it up. I know shampooing with the Kirkland is not the best. I did say "It is Sulfate‑free and Paraben‑free BUT does have simethicone". Meaning I knew simethicone was not a good ingredient. Research I did do on this shampoo had comments from a chemist who said if you have to have a cone in a shampoo the one in this shampoo is the best as it's a lightweight one compared to others. I do know "cones" are not good as they will flatten a curl. I have mostly wavy hair than curly hair. Perhaps that is why it is working for me. I may try and be brave and give up the shampoo as you mentioned the As I am is a cleanser in itself. I had not considered that. It's good when we can learn from each other. Thanks
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Post by birukitty on Aug 16, 2019 20:26:04 GMT
Nysparkle-Simethicone is a silicone which you mentioned is in the Kirkland shampoo. Anything that ends in a cone is a silicone. I'm so sorry to tell you that. I would also change your conditioner because conditioners designed as co-washes such as As I Am have cleansing agents added to them rather than being straight conditioners. If you want to have your hair be on a path to healthy hair you'll have to get rid of that silicone so it makes sense to start over whenever you are ready and want to. There is also this app or website curlsbot.com that will tell you what curly hair products are CG safe or not. Thanks for the site to research products. I will look it up. I know shampooing with the Kirkland is not the best. I did say "It is Sulfate‑free and Paraben‑free BUT does have simethicone". Meaning I knew simethicone was not a good ingredient. Research I did do on this shampoo had comments from a chemist who said if you have to have a cone in a shampoo the one in this shampoo is the best as it's a lightweight one compared to others. I do know "cones" are not good as they will flatten a curl. I have mostly wavy hair than curly hair. Perhaps that is why it is working for me. I may try and be brave and give up the shampoo as you mentioned the As I am is a cleanser in itself. I had not considered that. It's good when we can learn from each other. Thanks Cones or silicones are horrible because what they do is form a sheath around each hair strand that is like plastic, then any conditioner you put on after that can't penetrate that sheath so all the good conditioning ingredients can't get in at all. They are barred completely and just wash down the drain. The only way to get rid of cones (silicones) is to start over and do a "final wash" over again. Basically you need to wash your hair with a shampoo that contains sulfates because it takes sulfates to break down the silicones and get rid of them. After you rinse your hair from this follow immediately with a deep conditioner that is CG. You'll want a deep conditioner to help bring back the moisture. If your hair is high porosity (dries quickly when you air dry it-doesn't take 5-6 hours) or you have thick hair strands (when you run a strand of hair through your fingers you can feel it easily, then co-washing would work great for you and As I Am the co-wash is very popular. If your hair is different, if it's like mine (thin strands, low porosity) I'd go ahead and try what you have (use the As I Am as a co-wash to cleanse your hair) after you get rid of the silicones and see if you like the results. So much of this is individual which can lead to frustration. I know a girl on the Facebook group I'm on. We have the same exact hair but her hair and mine like different products. Experimentation can get expensive which is why I like trying products from companies that let you buy samples or trail sizes. I've also learned that you'll get much better results from water soluble products.
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