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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 5:08:17 GMT
I am a practicing Protestant Christian in an Evangelical tradition. I used to consider myself Politically Conservative. Now, I guess Libertarian is the closest in accuracy, but I'm almost a political agnostic. I loudly denounce Trump to both my liberal and my conservative friends. I didn't vote for him and have never defended him. So I can't speak as a first hand Trump supporter, but I think I have enough first hand knowledge of the other parts of the equation to *guess* what the mindset is. I was a teenager during the Clinton years. I think a sex scandal in the White House was a defining moment for the modern religious conservative in political activism. Focus on the Family and other conservative groups really started leaning in to "us versus them." The conservatives were the US and everyone else was a THEM. They had us convinced that liberal policies were sending America to Hell in a Handbasket, and that every new adoption of a liberal policy was an attack on "US" (the religious conservatives). Obama, in their eyes, was the liberal darling who was going to damn us all. They saw his liberal choices as an attack on them, their beliefs, and even their definition of what America represents. So now Trump comes along, and he acts like an "US." He's not pursuing liberal policies, judges, or leaders. Their conservative status quo is safe. In my understanding, it's less about what he IS doing, and more about what he's NOT doing. And support of him is really just support of themselves. When you believe the government has been out to get you and your values for the last 8 years, you feel relieved that someone isn't waging those same attacks (even if he's waging other, worse ones). I've never heard anyone I know who voted for him argue from a position that he was the most skilled or that his character is good. I only hear, "well at least he's not..." That's my perception of how they think. I left working in politics for two reasons. One was that Christians seemed more concerned with making Republicans than they were with making disciples. Christians do believe that people are in leadership of nations because God allowed it. But where some think Trump is a gift to our nation, I believe he's a judgment. ETA: In case it's not abundantly clear, I don't endorse this way of thinking. But it's my best attempt at an explanation. Thank you for that explanation! I found it to be VERY interesting!!
I've been a practicing Catholic since birth. I'm perplexed over many political timeframes. When President Clinton faced his whole debacle over a lie, it was distressing but did not seem like an entire downfall of government. It was widely known at that point what many other politicians in government were all about (secret affairs; secret abortions; secretly closeted; secretly scamming the government; secretly working for other Countries over ours for the $$, etc...). I went to church weekly during President Clinton's whole "scandal", and it didn't seem that awful. Yes, he sinned. He had a consensual affair with a woman. It shouldn't have happened for many reasons, the MAIN reason being that he was the powerful one in a powerful position and she might have been in awe of him or did what she did to gain some favors. To take advantage of that was the biggest mistake. We couldn't judge his marriage with his wife. We have no idea as to their own agreements within their marriage. That was up to them and their maker. THAT is what I remember the Catholic church spoke about. Overall, they looked at his actions as President.
Regarding President Obama, I will never understand how any religion could find fault with his Presidency. Besides President Carter, President Obama seemed to be a level-headed, caring, loving, wonderful man who behaved in a very religious way. No scandals, no hatred; just level-headed men who truly cared about our Country. I've never heard Presidents spoken about in a negative way in the Catholic church, ever. I'd imagine they're not too happy these days with a self-centered, evil maniac at the helm.
Any "religious" groups who tout Trump's accomplishments, IMO, are not religious in the least. Being level-headed, kind and patient are all traits of the religion I grew up with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 2:02:50 GMT
"Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible...(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time...." Cuz bible, y'all.
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Post by andreasmom on Aug 27, 2019 4:28:19 GMT
"Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible...(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time...." Cuz bible, y'all. I read she just withdrew. Crazy. Just crazy. Where do these people live? Or rather when? The 40s? Last century?
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 27, 2019 5:29:49 GMT
She withdrew but it is too late to remove her name from the ballot. It will be interesting to see how many votes she gets. It will say a lot about that community.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Aug 27, 2019 8:32:38 GMT
"Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible...(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time...." Cuz bible, y'all. How is this not a SNL skit? Isn’t that Dana Carvey under that wig?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:49:19 GMT
"Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible...(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time...." Cuz bible, y'all. How is this not a SNL skit? Isn’t that Dana Carvey under that wig? I SWEAR I though the EXACT same thing when I saw the pic!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:52:37 GMT
How is this not a SNL skit? Isn’t that Dana Carvey under that wig? I think that's just what being a vile human being does to your face. Years of hatred and bitterness taking its toll.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2019 10:03:00 GMT
"Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible...(A) husband and wife need to be the same race. Same thing with kids. That’s how it’s been from the beginning of, how can I say, when God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time...." Cuz bible, y'all. Makes me want to vomit.
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 27, 2019 14:23:20 GMT
Please do not lump all Christians in this category.
I am a Catholic, so a Christian. But I am so far from these Evangelicals. I am against abortion, but I believe it is a choice between a woman, her doctor, and her God, and the government should not be involved.
I believe many of the people who preach that they are pro-life are really pro-birth, as said above. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they want to detain families, and separate parents from children. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they won't do anything to protect our children in schools. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they won't do anything to protect the environment and the life of future generations.
I don't understand how anyone (and I have friends and family in this category) can see and hear the things DT says and still think he is the "chosen one". They talk about him like he's GOD. It makes me disgusted. I want to go back to the days when I could discuss politics with friends and family and even if we disagreed, we could at least have a civil discussion. Now it just ends up in a big fight. I hate it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 14:33:29 GMT
Please do not lump all Christians in this category. I am a Catholic, so a Christian. But I am so far from these Evangelicals. I am against abortion, but I believe it is a choice between a woman, her doctor, and her God, and the government should not be involved. I believe many of the people who preach that they are pro-life are really pro-birth, as said above. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they want to detain families, and separate parents from children. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they won't do anything to protect our children in schools. How can they consider themselves Christian and pro-life when they won't do anything to protect the environment and the life of future generations. I don't understand how anyone (and I have friends and family in this category) can see and hear the things DT says and still think he is the "chosen one". They talk about him like he's GOD. It makes me disgusted. I want to go back to the days when I could discuss politics with friends and family and even if we disagreed, we could at least have a civil discussion. Now it just ends up in a big fight. I hate it! Thanks for sharing. I don't lump ALL. But again, 70% support him. So I lump 70% into that category. I'm glad you're one of the 30%. Now if only the 30% could convince the other 70% that they are supporting someone who is as least like Jesus as can possibly be imagined.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 27, 2019 14:42:23 GMT
As a Christian, all I ask is to not to judge all Christians by the actions of the fake, so called Christians. No different than thinking all Muslims are terrorists. It is beyond disgusting. I think the problem is that they lack knowledge of the word of God. Unfortunately too many churches are preaching a good feel drivel designed to make people feel they can be saved by just reciting a prayer that they don’t even mean. They need to rend their hearts and repent. In the Bible, Jesus was the harshest with the religious people and offered much grace to the sinner. Read the Bible and you will find that the principles it teaches are those of loving God and then living others. Trump is the spawn of Satan. 2 Timothy 3:2-9 New International Version (NIV) 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.. So this scripture shows exactly what true Christians have to do about Trump. They should have nothing to do with him or frankly they are disobeying God’s word. This is why we are also confused about the evangelicals acceptance of Trump. Well that and ignoring the rest of the scriptures about loving & helping others, feed the hungry, clothe the unclothed, etc. it’s all there in the Bible but frequently ignored - no idea why
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 27, 2019 15:15:14 GMT
How is this not a SNL skit? Isn’t that Dana Carvey under that wig? Right! Thanks for sharing. I don't lump ALL. But again, 70% support him. So I lump 70% into that category. I'm glad you're one of the 30%. Now if only the 30% could convince the other 70% that they are supporting someone who is as least like Jesus as can possibly be imagined. The trouble is that the 70% is evangelical, rabid, my way is the only way christians with little or no values/morals... Certainly not able to think for themselves!! NOT ordinary everyday Christians like most of us are. Seems to me kmcginn is a rational, understanding, knowledgeable, common sense Christian!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:09:57 GMT
The trouble is that the 70% is evangelical, rabid, my way is the only way christians with little or no values/morals... Certainly not able to think for themselves!! NOT ordinary everyday Christians like most of us are. Seems to me @kimginn is a rational, understanding, knowledgeable, common sense Christian! I would say @kimginn is a "rational, understanding, knowledgeable, common sense" PERSON. She could be any religion or none. If she is all those other things, that is what is important, to me at least. But what gets me is how many evangelicals (and other 'Christians' - thought not in as high numbers) fall at the feet of this affront to everything Jesus stands for.
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 27, 2019 18:40:45 GMT
Thanks, Ladies! I appreciate the sentiments!
I like to think I am all those things - at least I try to be! LOL
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