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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2019 12:13:45 GMT
I'm originally from Iowa and this seems to be all that my family members are talking about these days. It has really blown up and I find myself wondering what the peas would think about this. I seem to have slightly different opinions that my family from Iowa. Here is the backstory--a few weeks ago during the Iowa/Iowa State football game, a 24 year old was holding a sign "Busch light supply needs to be restocked" and he gave his Venmo info. Quite a few people ended up donating and he said he would give the money to the Children's Hospital at the U of I. Anheuser Busch made beer cans with his picture on them and gave him beer for a year, I believe they matched donations to the hospital. I think other companies got into it as well, some local and some national. Then, a Des Moines Register reporter dug up some racist tweets from when he was 16. He says that they were related to the show Tosh.O and he is horrified by them now. Anyway, Iowans are now upset with the DMR and have been lashing out towards them on Facebook and other social media. Someone then dug up some questionable social media comments made by the reporter in the past. Anheuser Busch cut ties with Carson King so now Iowans are upset with them and are posting about boycotting them as well. The Washington Post has some articles that talk about this from the beginning to now, so I will try to link them if needed. They give more info regarding the responses from the Register as well as Carson King. So, with that....what are your thoughts about this? www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/25/carson-king-viral-busch-light-star-old-iowa-reporter-tweets/ |
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 27, 2019 12:23:57 GMT
I believe Anheuser Busch is still matching the donations to the hospital. They havent pulled out of that. They also said they would add the value of the beer they were going to donate to Carson to the hospital donation, too.
Your governor tweeted something along the lines of how one mistake when you were a kid should not impact the rest of your life and I agree.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2019 12:28:36 GMT
I believe Anheuser Busch is still matching the donations to the hospital. They havent pulled out of that. They also said they would add the value of the beer they were going to donate to Carson to the hospital donation, too. Your governor tweeted something along the lines of how one mistake when you were a kid should not impact the rest of your life and I agree. I currently don't live in Iowa. I thought I mentioned in the OP that Busch is still donating the money, but when I go back it looks like I forgot that part. That is true, but Iowans are VERY upset with Busch for severing any other ties that they had with Carson King. I'm not sure what exactly that means, or what parts of their "deal" were scrapped after the tweets were found. The reporter has also now left the DMR. |
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 27, 2019 12:36:47 GMT
I’m not sure I see the point in digging up social media posts from when someone was a teenager and making them public, especially when they have nothing to do with the situation at hand.
People need to be very careful about what they say and post on the internet. It really is forever.
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Post by schizo319 on Sept 27, 2019 12:49:49 GMT
I heard about this the other day. I'm hesitant to pass judgement on what someone did when their brains weren't fully developed yet - 16 YO's can be colossally stupid and I really don't know how I feel about that stupidity being used against an adult 6 years later. I suppose he's learned a valuable lesson about watching what you say online... I hate that the children's hospital might miss out on some $ because of it though. Even if AB is still matching/donating, it likely won't be as much as it could've been had they used their marketing machine to promote Carson King.
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Post by peabay on Sept 27, 2019 13:07:13 GMT
I have a lot of issues punishing people now for what occurred when they were teenagers. Is there no redemption in this world? No chance for apologies/restitution? What are we telling our children when we cannot forgive their youthful mistakes? That they are forever marked by their stupidity? And then we wring our hands when kids are depressed, anxious and suicidal. I have a real problem with this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 13:13:53 GMT
I’m not sure I see the point in digging up social media posts from when someone was a teenager and making them public, especially when they have nothing to do with the situation at hand. People need to be very careful about what they say and post on the internet. It really is forever. Absolutely agree with this...unfortunately that seems to be a trend now  |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 27, 2019 13:14:00 GMT
I have a lot of issues punishing people now for what occurred when they were teenagers. Is there no redemption in this world? No chance for apologies/restitution? What are we telling our children when we cannot forgive their youthful mistakes? That they are forever marked by their stupidity? And then we wring our hands when kids are depressed, anxious and suicidal. I have a real problem with this. I completely agree with this. No adult should be judged for what he thought was funny and appropriate at 16. None of us is the same as we were at 16. I am flabbergasted by parents who don’t closely monitor teens’ social media and nip this kind of stuff in the bud, though. The internet is forever and every word your kid says online has repercussions for schools, scholarships, jobs, future ambitions. It’s a big deal. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 27, 2019 13:17:52 GMT
I believe Anheuser Busch is still matching the donations to the hospital. They havent pulled out of that. They also said they would add the value of the beer they were going to donate to Carson to the hospital donation, too. Your governor tweeted something along the lines of how one mistake when you were a kid should not impact the rest of your life and I agree. yeah but, I can’t blame Anheuser-Busch For not wanting to add their alcohol to someone prone to doing stupid things or outrageous . Can’t blame them for not wanting to hold that bag of accountability |
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 27, 2019 13:41:31 GMT
Our world has gone insane. A young adult makes a funny sign because he wants to be on College GameDay. Stupid people send him tons of money. Instead of pocketing the money he donates it to the children’s hospital. At that point a lot of other people start donating, Bush matched the money and a lot of money was raised for the children’s hospital, which is near and dear to the heart of Iowa football fans. Reporters probe into Carson’s life and rake him over the coals for what he said when he was 16.
If he were a politician running for office, then I think the tweets would be fair game for discussion.
I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2019 13:48:24 GMT
Our world has gone insane. A young adult makes a funny sign because he wants to be on College GameDay. Stupid people send him tons of money. Instead of pocketing the money he donates it to the children’s hospital. At that point a lot of other people start donating, Bush matched the money and a lot of money was raised for the children’s hospital, which is near and dear to the heart of Iowa football fans. Reporters probe into Carson’s life and rake him over the coals for what he said when he was 16. If he were a politician running for office, then I think the tweets would be fair game for discussion. I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others. I didn't see the actual article in the newspaper, but the response from the paper explained their thought process when choosing to report the tweets, and they said that they "compromised" and put the tweets in the article, but didn't make them the headline or even make a big deal out of them. So I am not sure they "raked him over the coals." That being said, I do agree that if the only offensive tweets they could find were when he was 16, the newspaper should have just left it alone. If I was someone who had donated, or was a company that was jumping on the bandwagon with this, I would want to know if the person was a racist. But if that was the case I think there would have been more to show than the two tweets 8 years ago. I don't fault Busch for severing their partnership. I personally think the whole thing (what Busch and all of the other companies were doing, like making a beer flavored ice cream) was a little much to begin with but that is their prerogative. They obviously decided that it wasn't to their benefit to go further and that is also their right. If more came out and they were still involved, that would have been more detrimental to them. I think it is unfortunate that Iowans seem to be forgetting that they DID donate a lot of money. |
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Post by DEX on Sept 27, 2019 13:53:31 GMT
I think it says a lot about how Carson has evolved from a stupid teenager into a thoughtful young man who doesn’t just take the money and throw a big kegger. I also believe in forgiveness and redemption.  |
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Sept 27, 2019 13:57:47 GMT
Our world has gone insane. A young adult makes a funny sign because he wants to be on College GameDay. Stupid people send him tons of money. Instead of pocketing the money he donates it to the children’s hospital. At that point a lot of other people start donating, Bush matched the money and a lot of money was raised for the children’s hospital, which is near and dear to the heart of Iowa football fans. Reporters probe into Carson’s life and rake him over the coals for what he said when he was 16. If he were a politician running for office, then I think the tweets would be fair game for discussion. I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others. I didn't see the actual article in the newspaper, but the response from the paper explained their thought process when choosing to report the tweets, and they said that they "compromised" and put the tweets in the article, but didn't make them the headline or even make a big deal out of them. So I am not sure they "raked him over the coals." That being said, I do agree that if the only offensive tweets they could find were when he was 16, the newspaper should have just left it alone. If I was someone who had donated, or was a company that was jumping on the bandwagon with this, I would want to know if the person was a racist. But if that was the case I think there would have been more to show than the two tweets 8 years ago. I don't fault Busch for severing their partnership. I personally think the whole thing (what Busch and all of the other companies were doing, like making a beer flavored ice cream) was a little much to begin with but that is their prerogative. They obviously decided that it wasn't to their benefit to go further and that is also their right. If more came out and they were still involved, that would have been more detrimental to them. I think it is unfortunate that Iowans seem to be forgetting that they DID donate a lot of money. I added the bold highlighting to your comment. I totally agree, they should have left it alone. But, it's all about being first in reporting, whether it's correct or not, or whether it's the right thing to do or not. If they hadn't published it, someone else would have. That seems to be what everyone's doing these days. No integrity in journalism anymore. |
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Post by craftedbys on Sept 27, 2019 13:59:15 GMT
I saw his sign on GameDay and DH and I have been following the story. I think that Carson is a young man with a good heart and turned a lark into something good for sick kids. And then the internet had to stick its nose in.
I have been reading about this lately, it has been linked to what has been dubbed "cancel culture".
People on the internet digging into someone's background and finding something they don't like and then "outs" that person and basically tries to destroy them/their reputation.
It is one thing to dig around looking at the background of a public official looking for skeletons, but it seems that it has become a sport as of late. Anyone seems to be fair game.
Of course, the distance and somewhat anonymity of the internet let's loose the trolls with the keyboard courage and then all hell breaks loose.
Kids don't always say the correct thing on social media and many times they post without thinking. It shouldn't have an impact years and years later because people do mature and grow and get wiser, and especially change their thinking.
Just how far back are people now willing to go to try to come up with dirt?
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Post by elaine on Sept 27, 2019 14:03:10 GMT
Our world has gone insane. A young adult makes a funny sign because he wants to be on College GameDay. Stupid people send him tons of money. Instead of pocketing the money he donates it to the children’s hospital. At that point a lot of other people start donating, Bush matched the money and a lot of money was raised for the children’s hospital, which is near and dear to the heart of Iowa football fans. Reporters probe into Carson’s life and rake him over the coals for what he said when he was 16. If he were a politician running for office, then I think the tweets would be fair game for discussion. I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others. I agree with this completely. Whether or not he was technically “raked over the coals” isn’t as important, to me, as the fact that this was someone who decided to turn what could have been a cash dump into his personal bank account into a charitable donation. And for this good deed, he was punished by having a newspaper publish tweets he made while in 10th grade. If he were trying to obtain a position of power, or personally benefit financially from the goodwill of others, that would be different. But this really smacks of the cliche adage: “no good deed goes unpunished.” |
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 27, 2019 14:04:30 GMT
Our world has gone insane. A young adult makes a funny sign because he wants to be on College GameDay. Stupid people send him tons of money. Instead of pocketing the money he donates it to the children’s hospital. At that point a lot of other people start donating, Bush matched the money and a lot of money was raised for the children’s hospital, which is near and dear to the heart of Iowa football fans. Reporters probe into Carson’s life and rake him over the coals for what he said when he was 16. If he were a politician running for office, then I think the tweets would be fair game for discussion. I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others. That being said, I do agree that if the only offensive tweets they could find were when he was 16, the newspaper should have just left it alone. If I was someone who had donated, or was a company that was jumping on the bandwagon with this, I would want to know if the person was a racist. But if that was the case I think there would have been more to show than the two tweets 8 years ago. I don't fault Busch for severing their partnership. I personally think the whole thing (what Busch and all of the other companies were doing, like making a beer flavored ice cream) was a little much to begin with but that is their prerogative. They obviously decided that it wasn't to their benefit to go further and that is also their right. If more came out and they were still involved, that would have been more detrimental to them. I think it is unfortunate that Iowans seem to be forgetting that they DID donate a lot of money. I stand by my "raking him over the coals" comment. I don't think there was any justification for dredging up comments he made when he was 16. I think the only reason they printed those comments was to create controversy and sell newspapers. The guy is not running for public office. He just made a stupid sign, unwittingly raised a bunch of money and donated it to a children's hospital. Why is it relevant what he said on twitter when he was 16? |
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Post by malibou on Sept 27, 2019 14:21:24 GMT
The DMR reporter is an ass. Let's be careful about casting stones. Not only has Carson's good deed been turned on its ear, it will now likely haunt him forever. I can't picture him wanting to do something like this again. In the immortal words of Oscar Wilde, No good deed goes unpunished.
Boy o boy am I glad there is no record of all the stupid shit I've likely done/said.
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Post by mom on Sept 27, 2019 14:30:49 GMT
I was reading last night the Reporter is now in hot water for some of his own tweets.
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Post by roundtwo on Sept 27, 2019 14:53:31 GMT
I have been following this from the beginning, when the folks on twitter found the reporters disgusting tweets two nights ago after he wrote about Carson. The reporters tweets were recent and vile, far worse and far more disgusting than Carson King and yet some how he had managed to get through the supposed thorough vetting process the editor claimed they use. He has since made his account private - can't imagine why. The editor fired the reporter - again, she completely missed the point. She should be losing her job, imho; she was the one who encouraged the skeleton digging and green lit the story and further promoted this disgusting trend of cancel culture. Like many others have said, we want people to grow and learn from mistakes but at the same time, we insist that what is said at 16 is more important than what is happening now.
I hope Carson King will not let this discourage him going forward and I would like to think that others see a kind young man who accepted responsiblity for his behaviour and did not try to blame it on anything or anyone else. |
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 27, 2019 15:11:26 GMT
I live in the middle of all of this. The DMR reporter has been fired for his own social media posts that a lot of angry people dig up on him. So his Karma got him, which I agree with.
Many other companies have now stepped up to donate money too, after the DMR stupid article.
I’m ready for my FB feed to not have anymore on this, lol. Too bad a fun joke turned out to be a mess. I’m sure he never thought so many would donate to him, and it’s great he came out immediately with a plan to donate it all the the U of I children’s hospital.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 27, 2019 15:13:00 GMT
1.) People who send money to a stranger so that they can buy beer are, to me, a bubble left of plumb and their judgement is suspect.
2.) Donating the money to the charity was a really great thing to do. He could have just kept it all.
3.) I think it says more about the person who dug up the dirt than it does about the young man. This young man was doing something good not running for public office nor applying to be a cop, something that could affect the public's lives. It was a shitty thing to do to dig it up.
4.) In this day and age parents are neglectful if they don't teach their children to understand the consequences of doing disrespectful things in public. It WILL come back to bite them in the ass and possibly follow them for the rest of their lives.
5.) You can't blame Busch, they have an obligation to protect their bottom line and we know how this type of information can impact a company now days.
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Post by schizo319 on Sept 27, 2019 15:17:10 GMT
I think Bush is missing out on making a great commercial w/ Carson about how important it is to think about what you post on social media and how it might hurt others. I think that is a fantastic idea, someone should suggest it to AB. |
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Post by freebird on Sept 27, 2019 15:23:05 GMT
I've been watching DMR social media numbers. You can literally watch their count go down. I've kind of enjoyed it. I understand Busch's stance. I *kind of* understand the register's stance, but I find them the biggest effing hypocrites possible because they held King to a higher standard than they held their own employees. So much for their vetting process. They had to KNOW that would happen.
I posted on fb yesterday that all young people (and sort of young ppl) need to go back and look at all their social media posts and scrub them. A friend said her son was thinking of deleting his accounts and starting over, which is wise IMO.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 27, 2019 15:53:39 GMT
That is true, but Iowans are VERY upset with Busch for severing any other ties that they had with Carson King. I'm not sure what exactly that means, or what parts of their "deal" were scrapped after the tweets were found. AB is still standing behind their pledge to match funds until the end of the month. When this first went down, they were going to match their pledge up to the point they 'severed ties' - but now they have gone back and honored their pledge to match until Monday at 12:59. I think what has pretty much all of Iowa really pissed is how they (AB) immediately "cut ties" - they released this statement before the DSM Register even published it. Carson did give a press conference about it before the DSM R published, because they did give him a heads up. BUT... several people have examined the time line and it really appears that someone gave AB the info before Carson was notified ... meaning the journalist (Aaron Calvin) or his editor at the DSM R leaked the info to AB... which is super shitty. yeah but, I can’t blame Anheuser-Busch For not wanting to add their alcohol to someone prone to doing stupid things or outrageous . Can’t blame them for not wanting to hold that bag of accountability The thing is this kid is SUPER accountable. Read any of his (current) tweets and press releases. Since the minute this thing began, I have been SO impressed by his maturity over the entire situation. If you wanted to have anyone represent your brand - this kid is THE ONE. He quoted something from Tosh.0 when he was 16 - and had completely forgot about it. He didn't try to say "I was 16 and it was a quote from the show" ... he owned up to it ... And the kicker in this ... AB was a commercial sponsor of the Tosh.0 show! yea... really. They sponsored it! 1.) People who send money to a stranger so that they can buy beer are, to me, a bubble left of plumb and their judgement is suspect. The sign was shown on ESPN Game Day... a few people donated a little money .. he saw the money come in and tweeted that he would only keep enough for 1 rack, and the rest would be donated to the University of Iowa Children's Hospital* ... that is when the real money started pouring in... * A little info on his charity donation: Carson Kind is a CYCLONEHe graduated from Iowa State University. He has some big student loans to pay off ... but yet he never hesitated to give to the UNIVERSITY OF IOWA Children's Hospital. This all took place during the Iowa-Iowa State game... this is a HUGE rivalry. I mean HUGE. He was a Cyclone grad, who chose the U of I's Children's hospital to give the money to. This might not mean much if you aren't from Iowa and don't grasp the magnitude of his generosity. Iowa State supports a Children's hospital in Des Moines (Blank Children's) .. But by choosing the U of I hospital - it brought the state together in making this kid and what he did a very big deal..> So when the DSM R reporter dug this up - people are P I S S E D in a HUGE way. |
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Post by malibou on Sept 27, 2019 16:32:23 GMT
Thanks for the additional info iowgirl. He really sounds like a stand up kid. I am terribly confused by why people try to dig up dirt on someone doing a good deed. How does that possibly help anything? |
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 27, 2019 16:43:59 GMT
I've been watching DMR social media numbers. You can literally watch their count go down. I've kind of enjoyed it. I understand Busch's stance. I *kind of* understand the register's stance, but I find them the biggest effing hypocrites possible because they held King to a higher standard than they held their own employees. So much for their vetting process. They had to KNOW that would happen. I posted on fb yesterday that all young people (and sort of young ppl) need to go back and look at all their social media posts and scrub them. A friend said her son was thinking of deleting his accounts and starting over, which is wise IMO. Yes!!! Or at the very least lock your old accounts down so that general googling doesn’t show your old Myspace pictures to the world. When my son broke his arm, we were referred to a doctor we were unfamiliar with. I had like, 15 hours to vet him. So I googled the crap out him. I wanted to know where he went to school, where he did his residency, board very when, etc. He’s the same age as me. One of the first things to pop up was his completely public MySpace page. Full of vacation and party/drinking pictures. I don’t care if the guy drank in school. So did I. 😉. But there were some themed party pictures on there that can be considered racist, and could come back to bite him in the ass depending on who sees them and when in his career. All I could think was holy shit, you are incredibly stupid to just let this be out there. Lock those old pages up people! Delete that crap (if you’ve got it)! |
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 27, 2019 16:44:37 GMT
Thanks for the additional info iowgirl. He really sounds like a stand up kid. I am terribly confused by why people try to dig up dirt on someone doing a good deed. How does that possibly help anything? People are dicks. |
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Post by 3SugarBugs on Sept 27, 2019 16:47:44 GMT
I'm also right in the middle of this...every news station, every FB post. I'm extremely disappointed in the DMR (and AB)...the decision to include this information in their profile of Carson turned a unifying and amazing movement into something attempting to tarnish the good.
Sometimes we need to let good intentions stand as good intentions regardless of how they start. In this case it diluted the pureness of this young man's intent...to turn what started out as a joke into helping children....it was a feel good story and people and responded. Why have we turned into a society in which we just have to find the bad? It's a disgrace. We've all been young and dumb! What should have happened (if your process is to review social media) is to see how his tweets, posts, etc progressed as he aged. Did you see the same pattern of behavior? If so, then maybe there is an obligation to report, but if not, can't we deduce that he has matured and leave things alone?
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Post by malibou on Sept 27, 2019 16:52:52 GMT
I'm also right in the middle of this...every news station, every FB post. I'm extremely disappointed in the DMR (and AB)...the decision to include this information in their profile of Carson turned a unifying and amazing movement into something attempting to tarnish the good. Sometimes we need to let good intentions stand as good intentions regardless of how they start. In this case it diluted the pureness of this young man's intent...to turn what started out as a joke into helping children....it was a feel good story and people and responded. Why have we turned into a society in which we just have to find the bad? It's a disgrace. We've all been young and dumb! What should have happened (if your process is to review social media) is to see how his tweets, posts, etc progressed as he aged. Did you see the same pattern of behavior? If so, then maybe there is an obligation to report, but if not, can't we deduce that he has matured and leave things alone? In the immortal words of pierkiss, people are dicks. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 27, 2019 18:17:13 GMT
I'm also right in the middle of this...every news station, every FB post. I'm extremely disappointed in the DMR (and AB)...the decision to include this information in their profile of Carson turned a unifying and amazing movement into something attempting to tarnish the good. Sometimes we need to let good intentions stand as good intentions regardless of how they start. In this case it diluted the pureness of this young man's intent...to turn what started out as a joke into helping children....it was a feel good story and people and responded. Why have we turned into a society in which we just have to find the bad? It's a disgrace. We've all been young and dumb! What should have happened (if your process is to review social media) is to see how his tweets, posts, etc progressed as he aged. Did you see the same pattern of behavior? If so, then maybe there is an obligation to report, but if not, can't we deduce that he has matured and leave things alone? I agree with this, although I still don't understand the hatred towards AB right now. What more were they planning before they severed ties with him? I also don't see anyone explaining why they are upset in the way that Iowgirl stated. It would be nice if that was more of the focus of people's posts as opposed to negative memes about the DMR or AB. I also am surprised at how much was donated to him even before he said he would give it to the hospital. |
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