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Post by Mel on Nov 8, 2019 16:55:32 GMT
Ok... so after reading most of the responses, I don't really think permission slips are needed either (or a spiral notebook hehehe).
BUT... and I am assuming that you will be doing this just because you seem like a pretty responsible parent... make sure you know ANY medical issues OR medication that the kids who will be going with you need. My DD has epilepsy. She really SHOULD NOT drink because of her condition and the meds that she takes to keep her seizures in check. SHE knows this. Is she responsible enough to take care of herself? Yes! But in the heat of the moment, I could see her throwing caution to the wind "just this once". Just be aware of that part, kids are still kids, even if they are adults. LOL
Have fun!
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Post by roberta on Nov 8, 2019 18:04:11 GMT
IMO no permission slips needed. Just to CYA send an email to all parents explaining the kids can legally drink and any know consequences like no reboarding. Ask them to respond.
The drinking age for me was 18. Most of my friends and I were very responsible with alcohol at 18. It is not the age to worry about most, it is the individuals imo.
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Post by mustlovecats on Nov 8, 2019 18:42:16 GMT
I was in the “agree to disagree” camp until this. Considering their ages they have all been driving for two years with the exception of one who has been driving for one. Driving is legal for all of them, again presuming they all have licenses. But you’re not allowing them to do that as it’s not safe. So you made that determination for your kid and all the other parents, but you’re not giving the parents an opportunity to decide what is safe, legally or not, for their own kids? I am probably the odd man out here, but I do know my fair share of people who graduated from high school without drinking. I think taking the risk of first time drunks in a foreign country with that many of them is taking too big of a chance something may happen. That something could be as small as one of them getting too drunk, becoming an idiot, and trying to get the 17 to drink some of their drink. It could of course be something bigger. I know you said you’d be right there to stop them if it gets out of control, it still a pretty big risk. Have you checked the school handbook? Lots of them have codes of conduct that discuss how to behave outside of school. With social media and 18 year olds pictures are going to be posted. Have you checked to make sure that can’t get them suspended or expelled? Any student athletes? Especially ones with a spring season or scholarship? When my nephew was a senior he and his family went on a trip to Mexico and he was allowed to drink. However it was DRILLED INTO EVERYONE’S HEADS that no pictures of him even AROUND alcohol, not just one in his hand, were to be taken, let alone posted, because that could have affected his scholarship. As a parent of a 19 year old who wavers between helicopter and not, I think you’re being a bit cavalier about it all. As a school trustee, let me tell you if I found out a kid lost a scholarship or the ability to play because something perfectly legal in the country they were visiting on vacation, I would FLIP. That is BS. Huge overstepping of the school's role. Frankly, I'd suggest getting a lawyer & suing their a$$es off. The only time a school should be commenting on a student's behaviour when not on the school grounds or at a school activity is if said behaviour/conduct breaks the law OF THE COUNTRY THEY ARE IN. I generally agree on principle, but there isn’t really any legal protection for this. In the US a good example is marijuana. One could go to a place where it is legal, toke up, come back, fail a drug screen, and lose a spot on a team, a scholarship, a job, etc over something that was entirely legal where they were at that time. I wouldn’t say it’s correct but it is what it is, there are times when you are old enough to make the decision so you need to be old enough to be prepared for your consequences.
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Post by belgravia on Nov 8, 2019 18:59:01 GMT
If they, as legal adults, want to drink, they will drink. Set expectations, lay ground rules, have discussions, but the bottom line is that they can’t be prevented from drinking (unless the bar/restaurant declines to serve them). I think it’s naive for anyone to think that you can do anything to prevent a legal adult from drinking. And as legal adults, they are responsible for themselves, their behaviour, and any consequences that may arise. That is the conversation I’d be having with the travellers and their parents.
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Post by cycworker on Nov 9, 2019 0:24:24 GMT
As a school trustee, let me tell you if I found out a kid lost a scholarship or the ability to play because something perfectly legal in the country they were visiting on vacation, I would FLIP. That is BS. Huge overstepping of the school's role. Frankly, I'd suggest getting a lawyer & suing their a$$es off. The only time a school should be commenting on a student's behaviour when not on the school grounds or at a school activity is if said behaviour/conduct breaks the law OF THE COUNTRY THEY ARE IN. I generally agree on principle, but there isn’t really any legal protection for this. In the US a good example is marijuana. One could go to a place where it is legal, toke up, come back, fail a drug screen, and lose a spot on a team, a scholarship, a job, etc over something that was entirely legal where they were at that time. I wouldn’t say it’s correct but it is what it is, there are times when you are enough to make the decision so you need to be old enough to be prepared for your consequences. I see failing a drug screen as different. Often, if we are talking about a drug screen, there is a higher authority that is making those rules. I'm talking about doing something that's legal that is over & done by the time you get back home. That is what is nobody else's business. You want to smoke pot somewhere that's legal, when it isn't at home, you do it early enough that it isn't in your system by the time you get back, or you deal with the consequences, if there are any. I say that because in a case like that, the consequence is imposed less for the activity itself... it's for failing a test that they legitimately have a right to require you to take.
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