sassyangel
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 11, 2019 5:57:47 GMT
I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping. The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction. Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing. I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble. I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”. I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes. For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar. I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting. I hope my post gave a little more insight. Thank you; that is helpful. We are desperate to do anything we can to help her quit. I'll ask her to look into vapes other than Juul that allow her to step down the nicotine gradually. My understanding is that the 5% juul pods deliver the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes. I believe there are lots of teens using a pod a day or more, possibly including my daughter. And because there is no smell, it's virtually impossible for anyone to know if or how much kids are using. I don't believe the company that makes Juul has any interest in helping people quit - if so, why don't they make pods that are lower nicotine than 3%? I think they'd much prefer to keep people addicted so they can keep making money. It's insidious. I wish you luck in your battle to quit. DH started smoking at age 12 and finally kicked it completely around age 38 or 40, I think. This was before vaping was a thing and what prompted it was job loss - we couldn't afford cigarettes or patches, so he just quit. He still says it's the hardest thing he's ever done - and he includes Marine Corps boot camp in his list of hard things. So harder than that. To answer the OP, no, we can't blame this on Trump. Companies have been marketing addictive products to teens for decades, and teens have been doing stupid things for millennia. I don’t think they do either. In fact, I swear I saw a tv advertisement for them. They’re actively promoting them. Why is a nicotine e cig product allowed to be advertised on tv, while regular cigarettes are not? Makes no sense to me.
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Vaping
Nov 19, 2019 0:26:44 GMT
Post by scrappintoee on Nov 19, 2019 0:26:44 GMT
I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping. The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction. Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing. I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble. I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”. I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes. For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar. I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting. I hope my post gave a little more insight. . @littleblueberry...Wow, it was very interesting to learn all that info. I know a few parents whose teenagers/ young twenties kids are using JUULs, and are hoping their kids can quit, too. Good luck to you in quitting! Also, the part I bolded....ugh, I have a similar story---I was 17, and my older brother told me I'd lose weight if I started smoking, too. I was SO tired of being made fun of/ bullied for my weight, and I mistakenly believed him!
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Nov 19, 2019 3:54:23 GMT
Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 19, 2019 3:54:23 GMT
I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping. The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction. Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing. I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble. I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”. I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes. For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar. I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting. I hope my post gave a little more insight. Thank you; that is helpful. We are desperate to do anything we can to help her quit. I'll ask her to look into vapes other than Juul that allow her to step down the nicotine gradually. My understanding is that the 5% juul pods deliver the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes. I believe there are lots of teens using a pod a day or more, possibly including my daughter. And because there is no smell, it's virtually impossible for anyone to know if or how much kids are using. I don't believe the company that makes Juul has any interest in helping people quit - if so, why don't they make pods that are lower nicotine than 3%? I think they'd much prefer to keep people addicted so they can keep making money. It's insidious. I wish you luck in your battle to quit. DH started smoking at age 12 and finally kicked it completely around age 38 or 40, I think. This was before vaping was a thing and what prompted it was job loss - we couldn't afford cigarettes or patches, so he just quit. He still says it's the hardest thing he's ever done - and he includes Marine Corps boot camp in his list of hard things. So harder than that. To answer the OP, no, we can't blame this on Trump. Companies have been marketing addictive products to teens for decades, and teens have been doing stupid things for millennia. The Daily did a podcast recently that talked about vaping. I would listen to that before encouraging someone to start vaping as an alternative to smoking.
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Apr 26, 2024 12:14:13 GMT
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Vaping
Nov 19, 2019 14:28:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 14:28:55 GMT
I think vaping could be used as a tool for a longtime smoker to successfully quit using less and less nicotine but I also think they would need some cognitive therapy to help the process.
The vaping companies aren't interested in people quitting they want new customers and it's easy to see why teens/young people are so attracted to it- Look cool, tastes yummy, no bad smells, get a buzz. The companies will really have to decide to go medical device or addictive hobby they can't have it both ways.
Best of luck and success to everyone who wants to quit.
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schizo319
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 28, 2014 0:26:58 GMT
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Post by schizo319 on Nov 19, 2019 14:55:29 GMT
I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens. Yes, but they said on NPR this morning that he's walking that back now because he's afraid it'll hurt his reelection (seems a niche market to be concerned about IMO)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 19, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens. Yes, but they said on NPR this morning that he's walking that back now because he's afraid it'll hurt his reelection (seems a niche market to be concerned about IMO) Of course he is walking back as he does with so many other talking points he makes in the instant!
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Post by elaine on Nov 19, 2019 15:34:55 GMT
I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens. Yes, but they said on NPR this morning that he's walking that back now because he's afraid it'll hurt his reelection (seems a niche market to be concerned about IMO) He did walk it all back due to pressure from the lobbying groups and his re-election committee.
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Vaping
Nov 19, 2019 17:09:02 GMT
Post by sideways on Nov 19, 2019 17:09:02 GMT
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