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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:09:31 GMT
USA Today... "Stop reclining your airplane seat. Two domestic airlines already limit your ability to lean back in economy class. Even if the airline doesn't make the decision for you, it's the polite thing to do. And, most important, it's the right thing to do. "Seat reclining is one of the most irritating, inconvenient, self-indulgent habits," says Simon Sapper, an organizational consultant and frequent traveler based in London. "Period." But click around the internet for a while, and you'll find that this debate is far from settled. Many of the blogosphere's "experts" believe it's their God-given right to recline. Ironically, the loudest seat recliners don't even fly in economy class. So, as a public service, let's settle this argument now. Reclining your airline seat is unacceptable because we're officially out of space. It's rude – and it's wrong. There's no space to recline. Airlines are trying to squeeze more passengers on a plane to make more money. Before airline deregulation, many economy class seats had a generous 36 inches of "pitch," a rough measure of legroom. Today, some seats have as little as 28 inches. If you recline your airplane seat, you'll probably end up in someone's lap. Literally... Right now, about half the people reading this column probably want to name their firstborn after me. The other half want to kill me. And the airline folks? They're laughing. The airline industry loves the seat reclining argument because it divides us. And while we're arguing about two inches of personal space, they're busy collecting more money from passengers and slowly – ever so slowly – removing even more room. This debate is the perfect distraction." www.usatoday.com/story/travel/advice/2019/11/08/why-economy-passengers-should-stop-reclining-their-airline-seats/4158135002/Airlines make the distance between seats small, to put in more seats, for profit maximization, then tell people to not recline because we have to be share and be mindful of other people because the space is so small, |
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Post by YooHoot on Nov 10, 2019 14:19:29 GMT
I’m going to agree. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Social awareness and all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:22:38 GMT
It's gotten so bad a company patented a 'Knee Defender' that doesn't allow the person in front of you to recline their seat: www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2648687/13-Knee-Defender-promises-extra-legroom-locking-plane-seat-stop-reclining.html Which lead to a scuffle over its use: "In August 2014, two passengers on United Flight 1462 heading from Newark (EWR) to Denver (DEN) made headlines for scuffling over a $21.95 contraption called the Knee Defender, touted to help passengers “stop reclining seats on airplanes so your knees won’t have to,” which one traveler self-installed on the seat in front of his in order to prevent his fellow passenger from reclining her seat. The situation quickly escalated into a fracas involving flight attendants, water thrown in someone’s face, and a hasty unscheduled stop in Chicago to toss both passengers off the flight. #KneeDefender attaches to a passenger's tray table & prevents the person in front from reclining. #thisiswrong pic.twitter.com/pnMJcQLSeB — Vanessa Coria TV/PR (@vanessacoria) August 26, 2014 The debacle resulted in both passengers facing potential FAA fines. More importantly, United Airlines came out and publicly stated that passengers are not allowed to prevent fellow travelers from reclining their seats if they so choose." thepointsguy.com/guide/jetiquette-reclining-airplane-seat/ |
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 14:22:46 GMT
I'd say the exception is on an overnight flight. If you're one of the poor unfortunates who sits in coach (that would be me), it's OK to recline your seat after dinner when they turn off most of the lights.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:26:16 GMT
I’m going to agree. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Social awareness and all. I should have made this a poll. I wonder where the peas would land on that. |
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Post by rickmer on Nov 10, 2019 14:46:57 GMT
i would love to not recline.... IF the person in front of me doesn't. if they do, sorry fair game.
two wrongs don't make a right but i need all the precious room i can get when folded in half in one of those seats!!!
when i went to europe with DD in may, we were in the middle two seats of the middle four seats. it's was 7.5 hrs and the last two hours were agony! i am 5'9 so tall enough but for someone 6'plus - i cannot even imagine.
on the way home, i paid an extra (significant) fee to sit in front row by bathrooms.
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Post by marimoose on Nov 10, 2019 14:50:19 GMT
I think if this is becoming such an issue, with passengers getting in fights, then the airlines could take the matter into their own hands and make it so the seats do not recline or very little. They could start advertising the reclining seats in the front at a higher cost. If it is worth it you will pay. I personally do not recline as I think it is rude and I have had people in front of me recline as far as they could and then it makes it impossible for me to even use my own tray. Thank goodness I do not fly often.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 10, 2019 14:57:28 GMT
They should just take the option away. Even if there were ample leg room people would still bitch about the person in front reclining. There is no winning. So just take it away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 15:13:57 GMT
They should just take the option away. Even if there were ample leg room people would still bitch about the person in front reclining. There is no winning. So just take it away. Then people would protest. They'd rather we just have the occasional fisticuffs in the air and the illusion of 'choice' in reclining and the whole 'sit back and relax' bs. |
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Post by Belle on Nov 10, 2019 15:22:07 GMT
I don’t mind it too much but I always have an aisle seat so I can get up easily, if need be.
What I don’t like it when people pull on the back of my seat to stand up instead of using their arm rests. Or, how about passengers that take their shoes and socks off during a flight. Yuck!
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 15:38:12 GMT
i would love to not recline.... IF the person in front of me doesn't. if they do, sorry fair game. two wrongs don't make a right but i need all the precious room i can get when folded in half in one of those seats!!! when i went to europe with DD in may, we were in the middle two seats of the middle four seats. it's was 7.5 hrs and the last two hours were agony! i am 5'9 so tall enough but for someone 6'plus - i cannot even imagine. on the way home, i paid an extra (significant) fee to sit in front row by bathrooms. DH is 6'5" and our daughters are 6'0" and 5'8". I'm 5'5" on a good day. DH and tallest daughter always sit up front in the bulkhead if possible - if there are only two seats available, shorter daughter and I get stuck back in regular coach. Or on one fun flight, it was just me back in regular coach, and the three of them in the bulkhead. I stopped letting DH book flights after that. Seriously, though - has anyone been on a flight where the seats really recline lately? We generally fly either Southwest or United, and those seats go back maybe an inch. The recline is hardly worth it, so I wouldn't bother, but also the seats are designed such that it really doesn't impact the space behind them to a noticeable degree. I sit behind recliners all the time and, while I'm not tall, I am on the larger side, so I would definitely notice if the tray table was jammed into my abdomen or something. (This is one thing I loathe about the bulkhead seats and their armrest tables - they're often designed only for skinny people.) What airlines are still using seats that really recline? |
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Post by just PEAchy on Nov 10, 2019 15:45:04 GMT
I agree with Merge, the seats on flights I’ve been on only recline a small bit. I’ve never been bothered by someone reclining their seat and I’m 5’8”, so I get that we’re crammed in there. I’m much more annoyed by the people that spread over into my area. If you’re in the middle seat, yes, you get both armrests, but don’t poke me with you elbow. And, keep you feet and legs under the seat in front of you, don’t let them wander over into my space.
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Post by tincin on Nov 10, 2019 15:46:12 GMT
I’m a recliner. I usually put the seat back about 1/2” just so I’m not completely straight up so if I doze my head doesn’t fall forward. It doesn’t take much and I am conscious of just how little space their is.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 10, 2019 15:48:47 GMT
So the airlines are saying do the polite thing and don't recline your seats, yet they have that feature. Rather than doing upgrades and not making it possible, do a PSA campaign and make passengers police themselves.
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Post by muggins on Nov 10, 2019 16:21:22 GMT
I’ll be flying economy from Detroit to London Heathrow in a couple of weeks. I’ll be reclining my seat. There’s no way I’m sitting bolt upright for 7+ hours. Most people on the flight will do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 16:24:44 GMT
I agree! The only time I consider reclining my seat is on an international flight. Before I do recline the seat I will ask the person behind me if it is OK and I will also ask them to let me know if I need to straighten back up because they need to stand up, use the tray table, feeling claustrophobic, etc. A little kindness and communication go a long way.
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 10, 2019 16:30:57 GMT
One of the few reasons I'm happy to be a very short person. I never recline my seat and for the most part I don't mind when people in front of me do either. As long as the chair isn't broken and allowing it to come back farther than normal, and as long as it's not at the moment where I have my tray out and a drink on it, causing my food/drink to slosh around. I have to admit I usually find this argument comical and it makes me think of the woman yelling at cat meme.
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Post by mlana on Nov 10, 2019 16:31:12 GMT
I don’t mind it too much but I always have an aisle seat so I can get up easily, if need be. What I don’t like it when people pull on the back of my seat to stand up instead of using their arm rests. Or, how about passengers that take their shoes and socks off during a flight. Yuck! I am very short in the legs. I cannot get up from any seat but the aisle seat without pulling on the seat in front of me. I do my best to always get an aisle seat, but there are times that doesn't happen. I do, however, always keep my shoes and socks on. Marcy |
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Post by paigepea on Nov 10, 2019 16:32:51 GMT
I agree. There should be no recline option.
We flew overseas in the summer. I’m 5’3.5’’ and when the guy in front of me reclined his seat the back of his seat dug right into my knees. Every time I shifted I dug my knees into his back and he kept turning around to complain. What a difficult few hours that was but I couldn’t help it.
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Post by katlady on Nov 10, 2019 16:33:25 GMT
I usually push my seat back one small notch. I am short and the headrest usually hits in a spot that pushes my head forward. If I push the seat back just a notch then I don’t feel like I am falling forward. I don’t complain when the person in front of me reclines. I figure the seats where made to do that.
ETA - I do slip my shoes off. But I leave my socks on. I don’t wave my shoeless feet in the air and I do put on my shoes when I get up. Some international flights even give you house slippers to wear.
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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 10, 2019 16:42:45 GMT
We had a big seat reclining debate on the board, but I'm not sure where I stand. I am on the shorter side, so I don't need to recline too much, but it's nice to have the option, because sitting in an airplane seat is not the best form of ergonomics.
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Post by Hayjaker on Nov 10, 2019 16:49:10 GMT
All of this adds to my fear of flying!
I’m a large lady and I just know that if I got on a plane my neighbors would be miserable and so would I. From seat spillage, to armrest wars, to reclining challenges, I just can’t imagine!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 17:10:45 GMT
I haven’t flown in a while, but our most miserable experience was on a flight where we were in the last row and the seats were in an uncomfortable upright position and couldn’t recline. While I’m not a fan of sitting behind someone who’s fully reclined, I understand why some need to.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Nov 10, 2019 17:25:56 GMT
All of this adds to my fear of flying! I’m a large lady and I just know that if I got on a plane my neighbors would be miserable and so would I. From seat spillage, to armrest wars, to reclining challenges, I just can’t imagine! My guy is a very big guy. He’s tall and big. We like Jet Blue “even more space.” It’s bigger enough (and a reasonable upcharge) that he is able to be all in only his space. When we fly together I share my leg space (and I’m 5’7) and he doesn’t require more space. He’s always so self conscious on a flight and it makes me sad. Not all people are as the peas. And remember.. it’s a couple hours and it’s over- never to see the judgey people again. |
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Post by finaledition on Nov 10, 2019 18:17:13 GMT
What airlines are still using seats that really recline? I just flew a United flight-a smaller plane and was annoyed by the seat recliner in front of me. I think the plane was older and a little more broken in as the gal in front of me would flop into her seat and her seat would hit my knees. And then when she reclined in went back quickly and I didn’t have time to brace for “impact”. I let out a yelp and kicked the seat in front of me. What can I say, it hurt. |
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Post by lucyg on Nov 10, 2019 18:36:03 GMT
I actually had my drink knocked off the tray table once when the clueless businessman in front of me zoomed his seat all the way back very suddenly.
And when the clueless businessman in front of me (that’s what they usually are) is tall and reclines all the way, I get his bald or, worse, hairy head right in my face.
Not a fan.
ETA I have no issue with people reclining an inch or two. I don’t really consider that to be reclining.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 10, 2019 18:43:10 GMT
Medically some people need the option.
I don't care either way. I rarely recline but it doesn't irritate me if the person in front does.
Like merge, I usually fly southwest
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Post by StephDRebel on Nov 10, 2019 21:52:18 GMT
I'm currently sporting an almost healed black eye from the asshole in front of me slamming his seat back directly into my face last week.
I'm not usually pretty but my knees were all up in his spine for 4 hours after that.
I'll be instantly loyal to the airline who moves the seats back so the windows line up properly and it's a non issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:03:10 GMT
I'm currently sporting an almost healed black eye from the asshole in front of me slamming his seat back directly into my face last week. I'm not usually pretty but my knees were all up in his spine for 4 hours after that. I'll be instantly loyal to the airline who moves the seats back so the windows line up properly and it's a non issue. Sorry! That’s terrible. |
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 10, 2019 22:49:07 GMT
I fly often enough and can't sleep on a plane, so I rarely recline. Now fit the person in front of me does and it gives me limited space (well, even more limited), I'll recline. I honestly didn't know it was that big of a deal. The seats recline back about 2 inches, so it really isn't much.
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