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Post by librarylady on Mar 20, 2022 12:21:55 GMT
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 20, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
I was truly watching with horror when I saw the news. WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK? Do they not have an advisor?
This was disgusting - the costumes, the cultural appropriation, and the words.
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Post by peabay on Mar 20, 2022 12:52:15 GMT
Okay, 50 years ago people were clueless. 25 years ago, you could get away with it - people were still clueless. Even 10 years ago, it's terrible but cultural appropriation was not a term that was used etc...
But now? No one on that school board or involved in that school in any way thought "hmmm...maybe the uniforms, maybe the dance, maybe the chant is just not appropriate for this day and age?" And even if they thought it and said "no one is telling us what to do - it's tradition", they didn't think "eh, maybe we shouldn't do it at Disney. Might get us bad publicity."
I was watching it and absolutely cringing. It's so bad. So so bad.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Mar 20, 2022 13:01:53 GMT
Gah, that is terrible. It's incredible and sad to think of how many people had a hand in thinking this was ok.
My high school team was the "Redmen" and they changed that in 1995.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 14:26:40 GMT
*gag*
Worse part was the number of people who were clapping along.
I guess the drill/dance teams don't have to do a Disney themed performance? My kids' marching band went to Disney twice while they were in school (and going next year as well) and were given music to perform. One year they did music from Star Wars and another was from a recent release but can't remember which.
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Post by zella on Mar 20, 2022 14:31:05 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 14:31:19 GMT
Well, at least they're not "woke". Isn't that what a lot of parents are striving for in ed? Kids who are asleep to the world?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 14:37:33 GMT
Auto -email response from the school
As a twitter poster said "traditional" racism is still racism.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 20, 2022 14:49:05 GMT
Auto -email response from the school
As a twitter poster said "traditional" racism is still racism.
That is about as aggressive a non-apology as I have seen in a bit. I feel like this has to be contextualized in the debate over the use of Native Americans as mascots in professional sports, and the issue has been not so much that people are unaware of the issues, but that, affirmatively, they believe they should get to do what they want and it’s the problem of people who are horrified that those people have no sense of humor. Anyhow, I feel for the kids whose teachers and administrators have let them down here by failing to adapt to changes in culture. Still!
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Post by CardBoxer on Mar 20, 2022 14:49:24 GMT
First thing I looked for was which state they were from. Surprise surprise.
But heck, how long did it take for the owner of the Washington Redskins to finally change the name, and that’s in the DC area.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 20, 2022 15:09:57 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney claims that the audition tape they sent contained a different performance, although their name and attire should have been enough to disqualify them. The school response doubling down is beyond disgusting.
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Post by Merge on Mar 20, 2022 15:12:03 GMT
Yes, it’s Texas. But in a country where many were happy to chop and chant along with the Atlanta Braves last fall, are you really surprised?
I’m sure there is a strong feeling in that part of Texas that no one is changing their traditions because the “woke mob” told them to.
My middle and high school in Nebraska both had Native American related mascots. I just checked and they have not changed. We used to do war whoops and the same chop and chant the Braves do at games back in the 80s. I don’t know if they’ve changed that or not.
It’s wrong, and all we can really do is keep calling it out when we see it. Unfortunately, for some people, there is no sense of know better/do better. That’s a “woke” mentality to them and they’re not having it.
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Post by artbabe on Mar 20, 2022 15:20:31 GMT
The response from the school is as appalling as the performance. It is vile how they can double down like that.
So happy that Cleveland changed their team to the Guardians. Although I still wish it was the Spiders.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 15:20:46 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney claims that the audition tape they sent contained a different performance, although their name and attire should have been enough to disqualify them. The school response doubling down is beyond disgusting. This is bullshit from Disney. That team has been performing at Disney every year (except 2021 bc Covid) since 2002 and has many years performed that exact dance and chant. Disney can’t say they didn’t know about it in advance. In 2020, they performed wearing their full Indian headdresses. I think it sucks that Disney gets a pass by placing all the blame back on the team.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 15:22:27 GMT
*gag* Worse part was the number of people who were clapping along. I guess the drill/dance teams don't have to do a Disney themed performance? My kids' marching band went to Disney twice while they were in school (and going next year as well) and were given music to perform. One year they did music from Star Wars and another was from a recent release but can't remember which. The section the students were passing in the video that’s posted was where all their parents were sitting. Other people who were at Disney that day have said that in other places on the parade route the crowds did not clap or cheer for this team.
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Post by peabay on Mar 20, 2022 15:29:33 GMT
*gag* Worse part was the number of people who were clapping along. I guess the drill/dance teams don't have to do a Disney themed performance? My kids' marching band went to Disney twice while they were in school (and going next year as well) and were given music to perform. One year they did music from Star Wars and another was from a recent release but can't remember which. The section the students were passing in the video that’s posted was where all their parents were sitting. Other people who were at Disney that day have said that in other places on the parade route the crowds did not clap or cheer for this team. Whoever wrote the "non-apology" mentioned that they were treated with disrespect at Disney so I wonder if there was more than a lack of clapping and cheering. And I've got no problem with that.
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Post by basketdiva on Mar 20, 2022 15:30:13 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney said the demo tape sent was nothing like the actual performance. I want todo why they were not stopped and pulled out of the parade.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 15:31:43 GMT
The section the students were passing in the video that’s posted was where all their parents were sitting. Other people who were at Disney that day have said that in other places on the parade route the crowds did not clap or cheer for this team. Whoever wrote the "non-apology" mentioned that they were treated with disrespect at Disney so I wonder if there was more than a lack of clapping and cheering. And I've got no problem with that. The drill team and band went to the parks in school shirts that have the school’s mascot (a huge Indian chief head, you can see the logo on their school marquee) on their non-performance days. They apparently got negative comments from other guests about the tshirts and were offended by that as well.
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Post by kiera on Mar 20, 2022 15:40:03 GMT
I'm sorry, people weren't clueless 50 years ago. MLK's final speech was only 54 years ago and look at the vitriol and hatred that was thrown at him for wanting racial equality. Those people were fully aware of what they were doing. Racism and ignorance were the norm 50+ years ago, they're just isn't being excused anymore which makes people seethe because they can no longer parade their nasty mindsets. It isn't "just the way things were" as people (not here, generally speaking) like to say as they sweep this stuff under the rug. Traditions should grow and change, we shouldn't be accepting racist bullshit just because it's what our parents, grandparents, whoever did. Our Native peoples are still going without clean water and proper access to food and medical care but the federal government doesn't care about that.
Shame on that school for allowing that performance to occur. Shame on them for not doing better and getting rid of it years ago. Shame on Disney as well but that corporation is so messed up I'm not surprised they ignored it until they couldn't.
It makes me so angry that this shit is still so prevalent.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 20, 2022 15:46:00 GMT
This slideshow in this article shows even more of the horrid traditions. www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/PN-G-responds-to-Adidas-offer-to-change-Indian-6620605.phpThose warbonnets.😡 And they play “at The Reservation?” 😡 The local high school my DDs attended have a Native American mascot that was completely made up.* I hated the imagery, but good luck getting rid of it. After all, they just want to “honor” them. 😡 *They are the Mohigans. No, that is not a misspelling of Mohican. The “mo “ comes from the name of our town. “Hig” is for high, and “an” is for annual, another name for year book. So basically, they are the fighting yearbooks. Nonetheless, at some point someone picked up on the similarity to Mohican and that’s how we got red, white, and blue fringed “buckskin” dresses for the majorettes, which they wear with white gogo boots (because THAT’S authentic and so honorable/respectful) and a headband with a single feather. The head majorette wears a white uniform with gold gogo boots (even more authentic, am I right?) and an over the top warbonnet that she wears long enough to cross the field before handing it off to her oh-so-proud mom (who was probably a Mohiganette, once) so she can perform the repetitive Rockette-style kick line moves that haven’t changed in 40 years. This will never end. There are 3rd-generation Mohiganettes who are performing now, and this is a hill their parents are willing to die on.
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 20, 2022 15:47:21 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney released a statement saying that this “performance” was not the performance that was provided to Disney in the audition process.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 15:49:42 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney released a statement saying that this “performance” was not the performance that was provided to Disney in the audition process. It’s pissing me off that everyone is just believing this from Disney and letting them out of the discussion. That team has been performing at Disney every year for 20 years (except 2021 bc Covid) and has performed that exact routine at Disney in the past. Disney conveniently leaves that out of the statement. It’s one of the reasons the team and school are so shocked that they are getting this response. They’ve done the exact performance before and didn’t receive any negative attention.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 20, 2022 15:50:13 GMT
You'd think someone from Disney would actually watch the team perform prior to offering an invite, and um, catch the fact that their "dance and chant" is totally inappropriate. Unbelievable. Disney released a statement saying that this “performance” was not the performance that was provided to Disney in the audition process. But their name is “Indianettes” that alone should have told them all they needed to know. I love Disney, but they are culpable too.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 17:19:47 GMT
I’m a drill team girl from Texas, so I have LOTS of thoughts and opinions about this situation, but the other thing I really want to make clear is that I hate that this is being portrayed as a problem with the drill team.
Let me explain.
The words they are saying are the school’s fight song. The drill team did not write the song. There are videos of the song being chanted at school wide pep rallies and assemblies. There are videos of elementary school kids at the school that feeds into this high school singing the song. The band is playing the song while the drill team performs during that parade at Disney.
Those dance moves go back generations they were not choreographed by the current team or current director. It is not a new routine.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all saying it’s ok because it’s a tradition.
What I am saying is that this is a school wide issue with responsibility at the district admin level and it needs to be addressed as such. It would be so easy to sweep it under the rug by reprimanding the drill team instructor and that’s not what needs to happen to fix the situation.
I mean, the band is literally participating in that performance in the video and no one is talking about the band.
I’m just saying I hope the district doesn’t throw up their hands and claim they didn’t know, leaving responsibility solely on the drill team, the way Disney did.
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Post by catmom on Mar 20, 2022 17:37:16 GMT
Um. Wow. That is next next level. I mean the costume alone... Okay I've gathered my thoughts - just unbelievably racist and a very bad look for Disney. And if they have performed at Disney in previous years then they are as culpable as the school. And the school sounds like it is run by heinous individuals. Just so much wrong to unpack there...
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 17:44:22 GMT
Um. Wow. That is next next level. I mean the costume alone... Okay I've gathered my thoughts - just unbelievably racist and a very bad look for Disney. And if they have performed at Disney in previous years then they are as culpable as the school. And the school sounds like it is run by heinous individuals. Just so much wrong to unpack there... Can you clarify what you mean by costume? Do you mean the headdresses that Disney didn’t let them wear or what they’re actually wearing in the video?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 18:17:07 GMT
As a Native American myself, I am not sure if I am more upset about the school thinking it is okay or the massive amount of comments on social media (not here) that clearly indicates that it is not a big deal AND that Native Americans have it coming because they did have a violent past. Honestly. SO MANY OF THOSE COMMENTS. It made me sick.
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Post by Merge on Mar 20, 2022 18:35:49 GMT
I’m a drill team girl from Texas, so I have LOTS of thoughts and opinions about this situation, but the other thing I really want to make clear is that I hate that this is being portrayed as a problem with the drill team. Let me explain. The words they are saying are the school’s fight song. The drill team did not write the song. There are videos of the song being chanted at school wide pep rallies and assemblies. There are videos of elementary school kids at the school that feeds into this high school singing the song. The band is playing the song while the drill team performs during that parade at Disney. Those dance moves go back generations they were not choreographed by the current team or current director. It is not a new routine. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all saying it’s ok because it’s a tradition. What I am saying is that this is a school wide issue with responsibility at the district admin level and it needs to be addressed as such. It would be so easy to sweep it under the rug by reprimanding the drill team instructor and that’s not what needs to happen to fix the situation. I mean, the band is literally participating in that performance in the video and no one is talking about the band. I’m just saying I hope the district doesn’t throw up their hands and claim they didn’t know, leaving responsibility solely on the drill team, the way Disney did. For what it’s worth, Texas music teacher forums are unloading hard on the band directors. We expect better than this. We are better than this. I’m hopeful that TMEA and UIL will address racist mascots/chants/traditions in our schools and possibly sanction programs that perpetuate these harmful stereotypes.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 20, 2022 18:39:13 GMT
I’m a drill team girl from Texas, so I have LOTS of thoughts and opinions about this situation, but the other thing I really want to make clear is that I hate that this is being portrayed as a problem with the drill team. Let me explain. The words they are saying are the school’s fight song. The drill team did not write the song. There are videos of the song being chanted at school wide pep rallies and assemblies. There are videos of elementary school kids at the school that feeds into this high school singing the song. The band is playing the song while the drill team performs during that parade at Disney. Those dance moves go back generations they were not choreographed by the current team or current director. It is not a new routine. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all saying it’s ok because it’s a tradition. What I am saying is that this is a school wide issue with responsibility at the district admin level and it needs to be addressed as such. It would be so easy to sweep it under the rug by reprimanding the drill team instructor and that’s not what needs to happen to fix the situation. I mean, the band is literally participating in that performance in the video and no one is talking about the band. I’m just saying I hope the district doesn’t throw up their hands and claim they didn’t know, leaving responsibility solely on the drill team, the way Disney did. For what it’s worth, Texas music teacher forums are unloading hard on the band directors. We expect better than this. We are better than this. I’m hopeful that TMEA and UIL will address racist mascots/chants/traditions in our schools and possibly sanction programs that perpetuate these harmful stereotypes. That’s good. I just don’t want one single teacher or one single director to get blamed for this incident. Teachers aren’t in a position to change the school mascot, school song, or fight song. Those are decisions that need to come from admin. I’m not saying that teachers shouldn’t object or try to affect change, just that this need to be addressed at the district level.
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Post by Merge on Mar 20, 2022 18:39:58 GMT
Disney released a statement saying that this “performance” was not the performance that was provided to Disney in the audition process. But their name is “Indianettes” that alone should have told them all they needed to know. I love Disney, but they are culpable too. To be clear, schools pay for the privilege of being “selected” to perform at Disney. It’s a moneymaker for them, which means they’re not incentivized to change unless people are willing to vote with their wallets and stop going there.
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