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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 18:47:50 GMT
From today's press conference:
""Tariff is the most beautiful word in the dictionary. It‘ll make our country rich. You go back and look at the 1890s, 1880s mckinley and you take a look at tariffs. That was when we were at our proportionately the richest.""
Does he know what happened to McKinley?
And a response I read, I fully support. This isn't the first time we've been here. History gives us lots of hints of what could happen!
"I would actually encourage people to read up on the history of the 1880s and 90s. Careful, though, not to get any blood from the pages on you."
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 18:52:14 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2024 19:19:07 GMT
And his cult believes it all hook, line and sinker!!
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Post by cindosha on Dec 16, 2024 19:26:18 GMT
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but Trump & Harris did not lose 300,000 children. Vance and Trump's claims are misleading and false. It's an issue of paperwork and children missing court dates, not children that are unable to be located. Most of them are probably at the addresses on file. You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. Regarding undocumented migrants, the total estimated number in the US is only 11 million people, and only 1/5 arrived on 2010 or later. So no, 10 million did not cross the border during Biden's administration. US Customs had 10 million encounters, but some individuals were counted more than once. Many of those individuals were repatriated or deported. And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3owww.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/migrant-encounters-at-u-s-mexico-border-have-fallen-sharply-in-2024/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jlre7mymoapnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-migrant-children-missing-7ab0cea2fd2238346197429e952baa8bTHE FACTS: This claim misrepresents information in an August report published by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General, which faulted Immigration and Customs Enforcement for failing to consistently “monitor the location and status of unaccompanied migrant children” once they are released from federal government custody.
The report noted that more than 291,000 unaccompanied migrant children had not, as of May 2024, received a notice to appear in court. Additionally, more than 32,000 unaccompanied migrant children got a notice to appear but then failed to show up for immigration court hearings. Those figures came from ICE and covered a period from October 2018 to September 2023. During that period there were a total of 448,820 unaccompanied children released by ICE to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement.
But experts say it is a stretch to refer to roughly 300,000 children as “lost” or “missing.”
“This is not a ‘missing kids’ problem; it’s a ‘missing paperwork’ problem,” Jonathan Beier, associate director of research and evaluation for the Acacia Center for Justice’s Unaccompanied Children Program, wrote in an email.Yup. And we've shared all of this before with reputable sources and evidence. As the poll analysis posted above shows, Trump voters are largely those who have chosen to be misinformed and to vote based on that misinformation. I'm done. You can't dissuade someone who chooses to be misinformed. I'm not sure why you are bothering either, but you still are. I've shared plenty of links with reputable sources and evidence. But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you don't deem the sources worthy. That's not how it works. harris and biden's administration has hundreds of thousands of children that are missing and/or unaccounted for. Even one child is too many in my opinion!! That's the problem with kalama's border crisis, why haven't they, the 300,000 children (according to your article), received a notice to show up in court? Why haven't the 32,000 that DID receive a notice show up in court? Why hasn't ICE gone out and looked for these children? Because they are overwhelmed by 10+million illegals surging over the border in the past 4 years. A "paperwork problem"? Are you really under the delusion that NONE of these children are being trafficked? Why hasn't this administration tried to find them? Because they don't give a shit about them. It makes me sick that there is so little regard for these children by biden/harris. homeland.house.gov/2024/11/21/hhs-whistleblower-retired-border-patrol-agent-counter-trafficking-expert-testify-on-biden-harris-refusal-to-protect-unaccompanied-alien-children/
You know what stops children from being unaccounted for? Stopping the illegal traffic into this country, which Trump and Homan are going to do their best to do!! You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. That was obama And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. China is providing the ingredients for Mexico the make the fentanyl and the cartels are making sure it gets across. If Americans are stupid enough to be mules for the cartels, then we need to imprison them for that. But that's not the only way it's getting across.... www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdfCHINA Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China average less than one kilogram in weight, and often test above 90 percent concentration of pure fentanyl. (U) FIGURE 1. FENTANYL FLOW TO THE UNITED STATES 2019 Source: DEA UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED 3 DEA Intelligence Report As Beijing and the Hong Kong Special Autonomous Region (SAR) place restrictions on more precursor chemicals, Mexican transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) are diversifying their sources of supply. This is evidenced by fentanyl shipments from India allegedly destined for Mexico. On May 4, 2018, the Hong Kong SAR updated their drug law to control the fentanyl precursors 4-anilino-N-phenethyl-4- piperidine (ANPP) and N-phenethyl-4-piperidone (NPP) as well as the synthetic opioid U-47700. This matches China’s scheduling of ANPP and NPP on July 1, 2017. The move by the Hong Kong SAR is considerable, since synthetic opioids produced and shipped from China may transit the Hong Kong SAR en route to the United States.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 19:33:45 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 19:39:06 GMT
Yup. And we've shared all of this before with reputable sources and evidence. As the poll analysis posted above shows, Trump voters are largely those who have chosen to be misinformed and to vote based on that misinformation. I'm done. You can't dissuade someone who chooses to be misinformed. I'm not sure why you are bothering either, but you still are. I've shared plenty of links with reputable sources 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂and evidence. But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you don't deem the sources worthy. That's not how it works. harris and biden's administration has hundreds of thousands of children that are missing and/or unaccounted for. Even one child is too many in my opinion!! That's the problem with kalama's border crisis, why haven't they, the 300,000 children (according to your article), received a notice to show up in court? Why haven't the 32,000 that DID receive a notice show up in court? Why hasn't ICE gone out and looked for these children? Because they are overwhelmed by 10+million illegals surging over the border in the past 4 years. A "paperwork problem"? Are you really under the delusion that NONE of these children are being trafficked? Why hasn't this administration tried to find them? Because they don't give a shit about them. It makes me sick that there is so little regard for these children by biden/harris. homeland.house.gov/2024/11/21/hhs-whistleblower-retired-border-patrol-agent-counter-trafficking-expert-testify-on-biden-harris-refusal-to-protect-unaccompanied-alien-children/
You know what stops children from being unaccounted for? Stopping the illegal traffic into this country, which Trump and Homan are going to do their best to do!! You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. That was obama And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. China is providing the ingredients for Mexico the make the fentanyl and the cartels are making sure it gets across. If Americans are stupid enough to be mules for the cartels, then we need to imprison them for that. But that's not the only way it's getting across.... www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdfCHINA Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China average less than one kilogram in weight, and often test above 90 percent concentration of pure fentanyl. (U) FIGURE 1. FENTANYL FLOW TO THE UNITED STATES 2019 Source: DEA UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED 3 DEA Intelligence Report As Beijing and the Hong Kong Special Autonomous Region (SAR) place restrictions on more precursor chemicals, Mexican transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) are diversifying their sources of supply. This is evidenced by fentanyl shipments from India allegedly destined for Mexico. On May 4, 2018, the Hong Kong SAR updated their drug law to control the fentanyl precursors 4-anilino-N-phenethyl-4- piperidine (ANPP) and N-phenethyl-4-piperidone (NPP) as well as the synthetic opioid U-47700. This matches China’s scheduling of ANPP and NPP on July 1, 2017. The move by the Hong Kong SAR is considerable, since synthetic opioids produced and shipped from China may transit the Hong Kong SAR en route to the United States.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 19:47:23 GMT
What's curious about Trump is that he doesn't like being associated with losers, so what does that mean when a person is revealed to be a loser? Whatever he might thought of Putin, in 2016-2020 may not stand up against the reality Putin's Army was unable to defeat Zelensky and Ukraine in 3 days or 3 months. And now Assad's regime fell in Syria . It also makes the Tulsi Gabbard, DNI pick a little up in the air because she was pro-Assad, and he's most definitely a loser in Trumpland now. I've been curious about Trump's interactions with Zelensky, because he actually stood up to Trump, and made himself look badass against Putin, and it some weird way Trump may end up with more respect for Zelensky over spineless European allies. Anyway, he may be looking at Xi as the most powerful person besides him, and is attempting to do with Xi what works on himself, flattery and bribery (if we don't tariff China). One thing I think Trump actually fears, is being responsible for decisions in the event of a hot war among equals. If he thinks he can bomb a place to the stone age, that's one thing, but China isn't that place. So how do you keep on China's good side?
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 16, 2024 20:00:54 GMT
What's curious about Trump is that he doesn't like being associated with losers, so what does that mean when a person is revealed to be a loser? Whatever he might thought of Putin, in 2016-2020 may not stand up against the reality Putin's Army was unable to defeat Zelensky and Ukraine in 3 days or 3 months. And now Assad's regime fell in Syria . It also makes the Tulsi Gabbard, DNI pick a little up in the air because she was pro-Assad, and he's most definitely a loser in Trumpland now. I've been curious about Trump's interactions with Zelensky, because he actually stood up to Trump, and made himself look badass against Putin, and it some weird way Trump may end up with more respect for Zelensky over spineless European allies. Anyway, he may be looking at Xi as the most powerful person besides him, and is attempting to do with Xi what works on himself, flattery and bribery (if we don't tariff China). One thing I think Trump actually fears, is being responsible for decisions in the event of a hot war among equals. If he thinks he can bomb a place to the stone age, that's one thing, but China isn't that place. So how do you keep on China's good side? Yes. Even a president with wide foreign policy experience would have a tough time dealing with China. It’s a wild card for sure. Xi is cagey, and dangerous. And now, Trump will have to figure out what to do-if anything-in Syria. That could go either way, but if an absolute Islamist govt. takes over(right now it doesn’t look like it will, but who knows?), it could become a powder keg. It is a dangerous time to have a president like Trump.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 16, 2024 21:41:06 GMT
You know how they say, “It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye.” There are too many media and political structures, on both sides, let me say that louder: ON BOTH SIDES, who have built themselves on the idea of playing fun and games, who are unaware how much the ground has shifted. They aren’t built to protect eyes, because they don’t believe their eyes are in danger. As if belief determines actual threat levels.
The US likes to imagine itself as the sleeping dragon of WWII nostalgia if anything real were to happen. But that requires somebody to step up and not leave it to “somebody else” so they can continue the game they’ve trained for. I don’t believe this GOP (the party that will be in charge) will abandon their domestic straw men and punching bags to go fight an enemy that will draw blood.
I suppose that’s something I didn’t properly consider… in the event of another real global crisis, how long will these billionaires, Fox News personalities or the wannabes stick around? They don’t have the sense of duty Generals Kelly and Milley had. Lots of retirements and return to private sectors after Covid. We’ll be able to judge where things are by the number of people heading for the exits. I don’t think this crew wants the responsibility of reality as much as their theoretical gamesmanship
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 16, 2024 22:28:14 GMT
I remember a time not that long ago, 2017-2020, reports of the intelligence community not giving trump intelligence updates and reports. I also remember the darlings of the left, CNN & MSNBC, celebrating this. Then there were the lefties here celebrating that. Don’t underestimate the evil from the left, because anyone that thought that was the right thing to do is unhinged. As for you’re not being for open borders…you personally might not be, but it didn’t stop 10million+ from flooding over the border in the last 4 years, a fentanyl crises from erupting in the last 4 years and 300,000+ children being unaccounted for on the biden/harris watch. That wasn’t something Trump had a hand in. This is the post that I was responding to. Your usual mo is to blame migrants for the fentanyl crisis. I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border. China as the source of the fentanyl does not change who is bringing the drugs across the border. I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. I have not seen any evidence that more children are being trafficked under the Biden administration in comparison to Trump or Obama. But maybe you're one of the crazy Q-anon believers that think prominent Democrats and Hollywood stars are in charge of a sex trafficking ring. If that is the case, that might explain a lot. The Republicans on the Homeland Security committee are not an unbiased or reliable source. Nor is a single whistleblower. It's not about sources being deemed worthy, it's about responsible, ethical journalism with a minimal amount of bias. Republicans in the House are hardly an accurate source of information. Here is some information on media bias. BBC, the Hill, Reuters and the news section of the Wall Street Journal are generally reliable, center sources. NPR, Pro Publica, Politico, The Washington Post, the New York Times news sections all lean slightly to the left. mediabiasfactcheck.com/center/www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chartAnd no, Obama did not have a family separation policy. It was Trump who separated children at the border, some of whom could not be reunited with parents. The Biden administration has been reuniting as many as possible. www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policyTHE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses.
The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations.apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-donald-trump-mexico-2665290109390540a2c7cd3a6efcfa99WASHINGTON (AP) — A Biden administration task force designed to reunite children separated from their families during President Trump’s presidency has reconnected nearly 700 children with their families, officials said Thursday.And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence to back it up will change your mind. The left leaning news sources can't be trusted, right? Or alternative facts. Or history changes. Or some other excuse. My only hope is that maybe someone else reading this thread will see that what you are posting is not accurate and in some cases, blatantly false and easily disproven.
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Post by cindosha on Dec 16, 2024 22:32:46 GMT
I'm not sure why you are bothering either, but you still are. I've shared plenty of links with reputable sources 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂and evidence. But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you don't deem the sources worthy. That's not how it works. harris and biden's administration has hundreds of thousands of children that are missing and/or unaccounted for. Even one child is too many in my opinion!! That's the problem with kalama's border crisis, why haven't they, the 300,000 children (according to your article), received a notice to show up in court? Why haven't the 32,000 that DID receive a notice show up in court? Why hasn't ICE gone out and looked for these children? Because they are overwhelmed by 10+million illegals surging over the border in the past 4 years. A "paperwork problem"? Are you really under the delusion that NONE of these children are being trafficked? Why hasn't this administration tried to find them? Because they don't give a shit about them. It makes me sick that there is so little regard for these children by biden/harris. homeland.house.gov/2024/11/21/hhs-whistleblower-retired-border-patrol-agent-counter-trafficking-expert-testify-on-biden-harris-refusal-to-protect-unaccompanied-alien-children/
You know what stops children from being unaccounted for? Stopping the illegal traffic into this country, which Trump and Homan are going to do their best to do!! You know who did lose children? Trump when he separated children at the border then didn't keep track of the parents and made ot extremely difficult for them to be reunited. That was obama And we keep repeating the facts about the fetanayl crisis, that most of it is carried over the border by American born citizens, but that important fact seems to fall on deaf ears, too. China is providing the ingredients for Mexico the make the fentanyl and the cartels are making sure it gets across. If Americans are stupid enough to be mules for the cartels, then we need to imprison them for that. But that's not the only way it's getting across.... www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdfCHINA Currently, China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States. Seizures of fentanyl sourced from China average less than one kilogram in weight, and often test above 90 percent concentration of pure fentanyl. (U) FIGURE 1. FENTANYL FLOW TO THE UNITED STATES 2019 Source: DEA UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED 3 DEA Intelligence Report As Beijing and the Hong Kong Special Autonomous Region (SAR) place restrictions on more precursor chemicals, Mexican transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) are diversifying their sources of supply. This is evidenced by fentanyl shipments from India allegedly destined for Mexico. On May 4, 2018, the Hong Kong SAR updated their drug law to control the fentanyl precursors 4-anilino-N-phenethyl-4- piperidine (ANPP) and N-phenethyl-4-piperidone (NPP) as well as the synthetic opioid U-47700. This matches China’s scheduling of ANPP and NPP on July 1, 2017. The move by the Hong Kong SAR is considerable, since synthetic opioids produced and shipped from China may transit the Hong Kong SAR en route to the United States. with reputable sources 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you don't deem the sources worthy. I love it when people prove my point for me. Thank you 🥰🥰
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Post by cindosha on Dec 16, 2024 22:49:36 GMT
As for you’re not being for open borders…you personally might not be, but it didn’t stop 10million+ from flooding over the border in the last 4 years, a fentanyl crises from erupting in the last 4 years and 300,000+ children being unaccounted for on the biden/harris watch. That wasn’t something Trump had a hand in. This is the post that I was responding to. Your usual mo is to blame migrants for the fentanyl crisis. I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border.China as the source of the fentanyl does not change who is bringing the drugs across the border. I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. The Republicans on the Homeland Security committee are not an unbiased or reliable source. Nor is a single whistleblower. And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence will change your mind. The left leaning news sources can't be trusted, right? Or history changes. Or some other excuse. My only hope is that maybe someone else reading this thread will see that what you are posting is not accurate. I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border. Read my last post (which I’m sure you already did but didn’t comprehend apparently). I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. I said unaccounted for. And that is not wrong. The numbers are near or over 300k altogether. But again, isn’t even ONE child unaccounted for one too many in your opinion? I know that you have a heart and are not dismissing that these precious children are God knows where, with God knows who, having God knows what being done to them. And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence will change your mind. The right leaning news sources, can’t be trusted, right? See how that works?
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2024 22:56:00 GMT
with reputable sources 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you don't deem the sources worthy. I love it when people prove my point for me. Thank you 🥰🥰 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 16, 2024 23:00:43 GMT
This is the post that I was responding to. Your usual mo is to blame migrants for the fentanyl crisis. I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border.China as the source of the fentanyl does not change who is bringing the drugs across the border. I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. The Republicans on the Homeland Security committee are not an unbiased or reliable source. Nor is a single whistleblower. And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence will change your mind. The left leaning news sources can't be trusted, right? Or history changes. Or some other excuse. My only hope is that maybe someone else reading this thread will see that what you are posting is not accurate. I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border. Read my last post (which I’m sure you already did but didn’t comprehend apparently). I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. I said unaccounted for. And that is not wrong. The numbers are near or over 300k altogether. But again, isn’t even ONE child unaccounted for one too many in your opinion? I know that you have a heart and are not dismissing that these precious children are God knows where, with God knows who, having God knows what being done to them. And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence will change your mind. The right leaning news sources, can’t be trusted, right? See how that works? I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem. You responded to my post about natural born American citizens bringing fentanyl across the border with information about the source of fentanyl. I'm not dismissing child trafficking. Only trying to point out that your claim that 300,000 children are missing or unaccounted for is false. They just didn't show up to court for any number of reasons that probably don't involve child trafficking. The majority of the children are most likely at the address listed in the paperwork. Also, the report covers the timeframe when Trump was in office. What did he do to "find" these "unaccounted" children? www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-claims-biden-lost-300000-migrant-children-fact-check/Republicans began making claims that more than 300,000 unaccompanied children had been "lost" after the Department of Homeland Security released a report in August which showed that Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, did not serve notices to appear in court to 291,000 children between fiscal year 2019 and May 2024.
Additionally, 32,000 unaccompanied children failed to show up for immigration court dates from fiscal year 2019 to 2023.
Notably, around half of this period occurred when Trump was president. The report did not specify the number of children who missed court appearances under each administration.
While the DHS report stated that children who do not attend their court hearings can be at a higher risk of being trafficked or exploited, it did not say that the total 323,000 children referenced are unaccounted for or missing.
In response to the DHS report, ICE said delays in issuing court notices to some of 291,000 unaccompanied children may stem from some being eligible to apply for asylum or legal status. In some cases, that process might be allowed to play out before ICE sends them a court date to begin removal proceedings.
"This is not a 'missing kids' problem; it's a 'missing paperwork' problem," said Jonathan Beier, an associate director of research at the Acacia Center for Justice's Unaccompanied Children Program, which helps represent migrant children.
In the cases of the 32,000 minors who missed immigration court dates, experts on immigration law explained that these minors could miss court for numerous reasons, including that they did not receive their notice to appear because ICE did not have their correct address on file.
Sometimes there are communication failures between ICE and other government agencies — including the Department of Health and Human Services, which is entrusted with finding children living arrangements with a shelter or sponsor while they await legal proceedings.
"I think for the most part, many of these children have been placed with loving family members," said Raul Pinto, deputy legal director for transparency at the American Immigration Council. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jlre7mymoAccording to immigration experts and attorneys, the claims largely stem from an August report from the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general's office, which found that 32,000 unaccompanied minors failed to show up for court dates at immigration courts from 2019-23.
The report noted that 291,000 migrant children received no court notices at all. It also called on the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) to "take immediate action to ensure the safety" of unaccompanied migrant children in the US.
Migrant children "who do not appear for court are considered at higher risk for trafficking, exploitation, or forced labor", the inspector general's office reported. But Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director at the American Immigration Council, a migrant advocacy group, told the BBC the figures are indicative of a bureaucratic "paperwork issue" rather than "anything nefarious".
"When you hear the phrase 'missing', you think that there is a child that someone is trying to find and can't," he said.
"That's not the case here. The government has not made any effort to find these children."
Many of the children, experts say, may well be at the addresses that are on file with the government, but were simply unable to make their court dates.
"That doesn't mean something bad happened to them," Mr Reichlin-Melnick said. "It means you missed a court hearing."
What information or links have you shared to back up your claims about the missing children or the number of undocumented immigrants crossing the border other than the unreliable, biased Republicans on the House committee? I can't comment on the reliability of your sources if you don't post any. See how that works?
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Post by cindosha on Dec 17, 2024 0:18:51 GMT
I was only trying to point out that in fact, natural born American citizens are responsible for the majority of the fentanyl crossing the border. Read my last post (which I’m sure you already did but didn’t comprehend apparently). I didn't try to claim that no children are missing, only that it's not remotely close to 300,000 as you, Trump and Vance keep claiming. I said unaccounted for. And that is not wrong. The numbers are near or over 300k altogether. But again, isn’t even ONE child unaccounted for one too many in your opinion? I know that you have a heart and are not dismissing that these precious children are God knows where, with God knows who, having God knows what being done to them. And I know that nothing I say, no information that I post with evidence will change your mind. The right leaning news sources, can’t be trusted, right? See how that works? I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem. You responded to my post about natural born American citizens bringing fentanyl across the border with information about the source of fentanyl. I'm not dismissing child trafficking. Only trying to point out that your claim that 300,000 children are missing or unaccounted for is false. They just didn't show up to court for any number of reasons that probably don't involve child trafficking. The majority of the children are most likely at the address listed in the paperwork. Also, the report covers the timeframe when Trump was in office. What did he do to "find" these "unaccounted" children? www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-claims-biden-lost-300000-migrant-children-fact-check/Republicans began making claims that more than 300,000 unaccompanied children had been "lost" after the Department of Homeland Security released a report in August which showed that Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, did not serve notices to appear in court to 291,000 children between fiscal year 2019 and May 2024.
Additionally, 32,000 unaccompanied children failed to show up for immigration court dates from fiscal year 2019 to 2023.
Notably, around half of this period occurred when Trump was president. The report did not specify the number of children who missed court appearances under each administration.
While the DHS report stated that children who do not attend their court hearings can be at a higher risk of being trafficked or exploited, it did not say that the total 323,000 children referenced are unaccounted for or missing.
In response to the DHS report, ICE said delays in issuing court notices to some of 291,000 unaccompanied children may stem from some being eligible to apply for asylum or legal status. In some cases, that process might be allowed to play out before ICE sends them a court date to begin removal proceedings.
"This is not a 'missing kids' problem; it's a 'missing paperwork' problem," said Jonathan Beier, an associate director of research at the Acacia Center for Justice's Unaccompanied Children Program, which helps represent migrant children.
In the cases of the 32,000 minors who missed immigration court dates, experts on immigration law explained that these minors could miss court for numerous reasons, including that they did not receive their notice to appear because ICE did not have their correct address on file.
Sometimes there are communication failures between ICE and other government agencies — including the Department of Health and Human Services, which is entrusted with finding children living arrangements with a shelter or sponsor while they await legal proceedings.
"I think for the most part, many of these children have been placed with loving family members," said Raul Pinto, deputy legal director for transparency at the American Immigration Council. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0jlre7mymoAccording to immigration experts and attorneys, the claims largely stem from an August report from the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general's office, which found that 32,000 unaccompanied minors failed to show up for court dates at immigration courts from 2019-23.
The report noted that 291,000 migrant children received no court notices at all. It also called on the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) to "take immediate action to ensure the safety" of unaccompanied migrant children in the US.
Migrant children "who do not appear for court are considered at higher risk for trafficking, exploitation, or forced labor", the inspector general's office reported. But Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director at the American Immigration Council, a migrant advocacy group, told the BBC the figures are indicative of a bureaucratic "paperwork issue" rather than "anything nefarious".
"When you hear the phrase 'missing', you think that there is a child that someone is trying to find and can't," he said.
"That's not the case here. The government has not made any effort to find these children."
Many of the children, experts say, may well be at the addresses that are on file with the government, but were simply unable to make their court dates.
"That doesn't mean something bad happened to them," Mr Reichlin-Melnick said. "It means you missed a court hearing."
What information or links have you shared to back up your claims about the missing children or the number of undocumented immigrants crossing the border other than the unreliable, biased Republicans on the House committee? I can't comment on the reliability of your sources if you don't post any. See how that works? www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2024-08/OIG-24-46-Aug24.pdf?utm_source=118th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=d1878c8caf-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-d1878c8caf-147621754
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2024 1:34:45 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2024 1:51:07 GMT
Such a fragile little vindictive ego… David Axelrod… ”..Now Trump says he's suing the Des Moines Register because their poll understated his support; 60 Minutes because of their editing of @kamalaharris interview; the Pulitzer committee for honoring the @nytimes coverage of Russian election interference. Welcome to Hungary, folks!” x.com/davidaxelrod/status/1868707901298426223?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2024 4:19:02 GMT
He really is a piece of garbage isn’t he…. ”The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!! Donald Trump Truth Social 10:35 PM EST 12/16/24 @realdonaldtrump” x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/1868866668753297801?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 17, 2024 5:23:31 GMT
Again, the report is not what you, Trump and Vance seem to think it is. Here is another fact check regarding the report and Trump's misleading claims www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2024-10-02/fact-focus-claims-that-more-than-300-000-migrant-children-are-missing-lack-contextTHE FACTS: This claim misrepresents information in an August report published by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General, which faulted Immigration and Customs Enforcement for failing to consistently “monitor the location and status of unaccompanied migrant children” once they are released from federal government custody.
The report noted that more than 291,000 unaccompanied migrant children had not, as of May 2024, received a notice to appear in court. Additionally, more than 32,000 unaccompanied migrant children got a notice to appear but then failed to show up for immigration court hearings. Those figures came from ICE and covered a period from October 2018 to September 2023. During that period there were a total of 448,820 unaccompanied children released by ICE to the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Refugee Resettlement.
But experts say it is a stretch to refer to roughly 300,000 children as “lost” or “missing."
“This is not a ‘missing kids’ problem; it’s a ‘missing paperwork’ problem,” Jonathan Beier, associate director of research and evaluation for the Acacia Center for Justice’s Unaccompanied Children Program, wrote in an email.
Plus, President Joe Biden only entered the White House partway through this period. It includes approximately 15 months when Trump was president and does not specify how many children arrived in the U.S. under each president.
Experts say there are many reasons why the children might not have appeared for hearings or received a notice to appear in the first place. For example, they only get a notice to appear when removal proceedings against them have begun, and if ICE hasn't started that removal process, they wouldn't have gotten a notice in the first place.
A lack of communication between government agencies could mean a notice is sent to the wrong address if it has been updated with one agency and not another. A child’s guardian may be unable to take them to court, perhaps because they live on the other side of the state.
The report does not provide any explanations.
“All of these factors can explain some of the deficiencies and a conclusion that the children are missing could be very, very premature,” said Raul Pinto, deputy legal director for transparency at the American Immigration Council.
Carmen Hills, an ICE spokesperson, said the agency agreed with the inspector general’s recommendations to improve information sharing within ICE and externally with HHS, but disagreed with the suggestion that the children are missing.
“We are concerned that the report’s findings are misleading and may be misconstrued because they fail to acknowledge key facts,” she said.
Hills said ICE does not generally issue court notices to unaccompanied children “until after they have been placed with sponsors who have been vetted by HHS” so that they can get settled and seek legal help.
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Post by hopemax on Dec 17, 2024 5:28:36 GMT
It’s not worth it. But hey, we’ve got someone to keep us up to date on how many additional children go missing over the next 4 years. With the amount of deportations she is expecting, you know there will be children, American citizen children, involved. Like the ones in that 2018-2020 period, apparently mentioned in the report. And it would be an absolute tragedy for their disappearances to go unnoticed, correct?
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 17, 2024 5:30:26 GMT
Another source showing how these children are not "lost" or "unaccounted for" although some of the numbers cover the last 2 years of Trump's presidency. The article also shows how Trump takes one piece of information and exaggerates and twists it into misleading claims www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/11/us/trump-migrant-children.htmlFormer President Donald J. Trump and his surrogates have repeatedly accused the Biden administration of losing tens of thousands of migrant children, distorting, conflating and inflating government statistics.
The misleading claim, now a staple of Mr. Trump’s stump speeches, appears to have originated from Fox News and snowballed. Its evolution shows Mr. Trump’s penchant for exaggeration as well as his symbiotic relationship with the network.
In fact, when Mr. Trump was in office, his administration also tried to contact — and was also unable to reach — thousands of migrant children who had left the refugee office’s care. And there is no evidence that thousands of the children died under either Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump.
Under Mr. Trump, the Health and Human Services Department could not reach 19 percent of migrant children (about 1,500) who were placed with sponsors from October to December 2017, or 11.6 percent of children or their sponsors (about 9,200 calls) from August 2018 to December 2020. In comparison, a Biden administration official testified to Congress that 19 percent of the refugee office’s calls to the children or their sponsors went unanswered.
Mr. Trump abbreviates the misleading claim into a simple two-word phrase: “325,000 children.” Like other phrases — “laptop from hell” or “$85 billion in equipment” — the shorthand suggests that his audience is now familiar with his distortions after months of repetition.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 17, 2024 5:44:35 GMT
Reason one million and one why we need immigration reform. Unfortunately, Trump cared more about campaigning on the issue than he did actually fixing the problem. The bills passed over the years leave lots of gaps and have problems that need to be fixed by Congress. Also worth repeating. Trump is the one who actually lost children with the zero tolerance policy that separated families and the administration's failure to keep track of parents after separation. The Biden administration is still trying to reunite families. And neither President Clinton nor President Obama had a family separation policy. Another example of Trump projecting and accusing others of things for which he is guilty.www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jun/21/blog-posting/no-bill-clinton-law-separating-families/There is no law separating children from their parents when they enter the country illegally. The Trump administration chose to pursue that outcome as a result of its zero-tolerance policy.www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-claims-biden-lost-300000-migrant-children-fact-check/By law, after unaccompanied minors from foreign countries are detained at the border, they're quickly turned over to the care Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Refugee Resettlement, which aims to place children in "the least restrictive setting that is in the best interests of the child."
The office attempts to release children to sponsors, which can include parents, relatives and guardians, and federal policy dictates that the government vet these sponsors via interviews or background checks.
Despite these safeguards, some migrant children have ended up in unsafe situations, though the exact number is not known.
It's also protocol for the refugee resettlement office to follow up with sponsors around 30 days after the child's release, but a percentage of these phone calls have gone unanswered during the Biden and Trump administrations.
Both Republicans and Democrats have previously cited these missed calls to make claims that unaccompanied children were lost by those administrations. However, unanswered calls do not necessarily equate to these children being missing or in danger, experts say.
"It does not mean that the child's in an unsafe place. It means someone didn't answer the phone," said Jennifer Podkul, chief of global policy and advocacy for Kids in Need of Defense, an organization providing legal representation for unaccompanied children. immigrantjustice.org/research-items/explainer-final-regulations-care-unaccompanied-children-federal-custody-0Since 1997, the Flores settlement agreement has set basic standards of care for the custody, care, and release of all children in federal immigration custody, including unaccompanied immigrant children. The Trump administration tried and failed to eviscerate this settlement, by replacing it with regulations that further endangered children. On April 30, 2024, the Biden administration published its own final regulations, which govern the care of unaccompanied children in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of Refugee Resettlement’s (ORR) custody. The final rule codifies — and in some respect expands — protections for unaccompanied children in ORR custody. Unfortunately, it also leaves critical gaps in oversight, transparency, and licensing.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2024 6:22:18 GMT
And one wonders why I have said a pet rock is smarter than trump…. Every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses this country. ”.Trump said that the United States and Italy have been allies since the time of Ancient Rome. The translator's reaction is priceless.” x.com/olenarohoza/status/1868793087184847014?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwA response … ”The US didn’t exist in the times of Ancient Rome and the US and Italy were enemies during World War II when Italy was ruled by a fascist regime that declared war on the US on December 11, 1941.”
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Post by gar on Dec 17, 2024 9:05:22 GMT
And one wonders why I have said a pet rock is smarter than trump…. Every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses this country. ”.Trump said that the United States and Italy have been allies since the time of Ancient Rome. The translator's reaction is priceless.” x.com/olenarohoza/status/1868793087184847014?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwA response … ”The US didn’t exist in the times of Ancient Rome and the US and Italy were enemies during World War II when Italy was ruled by a fascist regime that declared war on the US on December 11, 1941.” He's such an ignoramus.
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Post by cakediva on Dec 17, 2024 12:55:15 GMT
He really is a piece of garbage isn’t he…. ”The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!! Donald Trump Truth Social 10:35 PM EST 12/16/24 @realdonaldtrump” x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/1868866668753297801?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwSaid it before and I'll say it again - totally disrespectful. Once at their dinner, maybe a "joke" - but this is twice now he's posted Governor Trudeau. NOT ok at ALL. And - this Canadian, actually AGREES with the Minister who resigned. The financial threat of these tariffs is huge, and has ramifications for our side of the border as well as US citizens who will see a rise in prices if he does indeed go ahead with his plan.
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Post by gar on Dec 17, 2024 13:03:00 GMT
He really is a piece of garbage isn’t he…. ”The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!! Donald Trump Truth Social 10:35 PM EST 12/16/24 @realdonaldtrump” x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/1868866668753297801?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwSaid it before and I'll say it again - totally disrespectful. Once at their dinner, maybe a "joke" - but this is twice now he's posted Governor Trudeau. NOT ok at ALL. It's this attitude he seems to have that he feels he's superior to all and everyone so he doesn't need to bother with simple manners and respect.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 17, 2024 14:15:41 GMT
And one wonders why I have said a pet rock is smarter than trump…. Every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses this country. ”.Trump said that the United States and Italy have been allies since the time of Ancient Rome. The translator's reaction is priceless.” x.com/olenarohoza/status/1868793087184847014?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwA response … ”The US didn’t exist in the times of Ancient Rome and the US and Italy were enemies during World War II when Italy was ruled by a fascist regime that declared war on the US on December 11, 1941.” He's such an ignoramus. Yes, but is this any worse than that fateful day in 1775 when American revolutionaries took over British airports? To George Washington’s troops’ credit, they did leave The Tube alone. (Proof that an Ivy League education can sometimes be a ghastly waste of money.)
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Post by gar on Dec 17, 2024 14:22:58 GMT
Yes, but is this any worse than that fateful day in 1775 when American revolutionaries took over British airports? To George Washington’s troops’ credit, they did leave The Tube alone. (Proof that an Ivy League education can sometimes be a ghastly waste of money.) You make a good point there 😄
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Post by huskergal on Dec 17, 2024 14:27:45 GMT
Said it before and I'll say it again - totally disrespectful. Once at their dinner, maybe a "joke" - but this is twice now he's posted Governor Trudeau. NOT ok at ALL. It's this attitude he seems to have that he feels he's superior to all and everyone so he doesn't need to bother with simple manners and respect. He has never had manners. He has always been a rude boar. He thinks people should worship him. He can't stand that everyone doesn't love him. That is why he is vindictive and going after people. The ultimate Man Baby.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 17, 2024 14:34:36 GMT
He really is a piece of garbage isn’t he…. ”The Great State of Canada is stunned as the Finance Minister resigns, or was fired, from her position by Governor Justin Trudeau. Her behavior was totally toxic, and not at all conducive to making deals which are good for the very unhappy citizens of Canada. She will not be missed!!! Donald Trump Truth Social 10:35 PM EST 12/16/24 @realdonaldtrump” x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/1868866668753297801?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwSaid it before and I'll say it again - totally disrespectful. Once at their dinner, maybe a "joke" - but this is twice now he's posted Governor Trudeau. NOT ok at ALL. And - this Canadian, actually AGREES with the Minister who resigned. The financial threat of these tariffs is huge, and has ramifications for our side of the border as well as US citizens who will see a rise in prices if he does indeed go ahead with his plan. And why would he even think Canadians could possibly muse about being a state? Canada has universal healthcare; we don’t. Canada doesn’t massacre its schoolchildren; we do.
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