Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 17, 2019 1:59:20 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 17, 2019 2:43:55 GMT
so Gennifer how's your holiday season going? Ugh, I just can't with the church right now. With their damn light the world campaign.
I am not in the least bit surprised by this article. I am extremely happy a whistle blower came forward. It seems you have to be a member in good standing to be an employee right? It was a smart move to put his name out there. You know the church would have records of his masturbation and unlawful sex. They don't have time to put a smear campaign together.
How the hell can they spin this information? How can you ignore the truth that is 100+billion dollars? I hope he receives millions of dollars for being a whistleblower.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 17, 2019 3:00:25 GMT
From the article: Citing an internal presentation that he includes as an exhibit, Nielsen alleges that in 2009, Ensign spent funds on rescuing the insurance firm, Beneficial Life, which was suffering from its exposure to mortgage-backed securities amid the financial crisis. At the time, a church-owned newspaper reported that a different commercial church company, Deseret Management, had injected $594 million into Beneficial Life to make up its deficit. Mark Willes, Deseret Management’s president and chief executive, was reported to have said that no tithing money was used in the transaction.Yet the internal presentation supplied to the IRS by Nielsen refers to a $600 million “withdrawal” from Ensign to Beneficial Life in 2009, citing a page from an Ensign slide presentation entitled “Framework and Exposures” and dated March 2013. Nielsen said the funds were taken specifically from the Ensign account that receives surplus tithing. Nielsen said the transfer was not treated as a loan and was not recorded as an investment on Ensign’s balance sheet.Despite the bailout, Beneficial Life announced it would terminate 150 of its 214 Utah workers and stop writing new insurance policies. Neither Willes nor an official from Beneficial Life responded to messages seeking comment. Nielsen’s complaint further alleges that between 2009 and 2014, Ensign pumped $1.4 billion in several installments into the City Creek Center, a shopping mall in downtown Salt Lake City featuring a retractable roof. The mall, partly owned by the church, had also been hit by the financial crisis. Amid complaints from members about the church venturing into retail, church leaders have repeatedly made assurances over several years that no money from tithes would be spent on developing the mall, a joint venture with the Taubman real estate group. “I wish to give the entire church the assurance that tithing funds have not and will not be used to acquire this property. Nor will they be used in developing it for commercial purposes,” Hinckley said when plans for the mall were unveiled in 2003.
For the peas not familiar with the name. Gordon B. Hinckley was the prophet, seer, and revelator of the Mormon church at the time. He didn't have an issue with the name Mormon.  |
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stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Dec 17, 2019 4:41:27 GMT
So, when do I get my dividend on the tens of thousands of dollars I gave the Mormon church in tithes and offerings when I was still a gullible believer? Do I have to wait until Jesus comes, since the church claims they’re hoarding their insane wealth in preparation for The Last Days? (what does Jesus need 100 billion dollars for?)
Karma, it’s coming for cheaters and liars and greedy folk of the world. I have to continue to believe that...
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 17, 2019 5:38:59 GMT
Karma, it’s coming for cheaters and liars and greedy folk of the world. I have to continue to believe that... You have a better attitude than me. I see members who truly suffer and make significant sacrifices when they could be doing much better. Coincidence that in the last 22 years they have not made any contributions to charity or education from that fund? During the same time frame the internet exploded. Now they can survive just fine without tithing donations. Some end of times preparation was going on for sure just not the Jesus thing.
ETA: It appears the whistle blower is an ex-mormon. The comments have already begun he must have an ax to grind. From what I heard his wife left the church. It hurt his standing with employment and they said it would be best if he left his job. He left and then quit the Mormon church.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 5:45:13 GMT
Disgusting. Like most large organized religions.
WWJD.
Not sit on $100BILLION while children are neglected and vets sleep on the sidewalk.
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stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Dec 17, 2019 5:58:17 GMT
ETA: It appears the whistle blower is an ex-mormon. The comments have already begun he must have an ax to grind. From what I heard his wife left the church. It hurt his standing with employment and they said it would be best if he left his job. He left and then quit the Mormon church.
Well, it wasn’t going to be a True Believing Member blowing that particular whistle. It still doesn’t mean it isn’t true. So what new “revelation” is going to come out this week to try and distract the membership from this news - women getting the priesthood? Coffee is now A-OK? Gay weddings can be held in the church cultural halls? (no kissing though) |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 17, 2019 15:29:32 GMT
So what new “revelation” is going to come out this week to try and distract the membership from this news - women getting the priesthood? Coffee is now A-OK? Gay weddings can be held in the church cultural halls? (no kissing though) We can't keep the secret any longer! We said there was going to be a surprise at April General Conference. We are telling you now! |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 17, 2019 15:38:55 GMT
I wanted to add, I SO wanted to share this on Facebook, but I have recently defended Greta and shared a story from CNN about the impeachment.  I'll give it a few days to see what else comes out because who can believe the Washington Post? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 0:02:23 GMT
SLC Tribune Op-Ed www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/12/21/andrew-l-seidel-lds/"...Memes abound, “I saved 10 percent by switching to atheism.” Instead, I feel for the victims. I empathize with everyday Mormons trying to make ends meet and honor what they are told, repeatedly, is their religious duty. Mormons are told to donate under threat, not just of excommunication, but also of eternal torture and torment. Tithing may seem to many like willingly relinquished donations, but it’s more like spiritual coercion. In any other context we’d call it what it is: extortion. Donate this much or go to hell. Of course, devout Mormons are not the only victims. This money was diverted from charity away from helping those in need. And every taxpayer in the state and nation paid more in taxes because this company paid none. This insatiable lust and greed is immoral. The LDS Church could refuse all tithes this year and still cover its annual operating costs without noticing the dip. It could then give $3,000 to every single Mormon on earth — there are 15 million — and still have about $50 billion left. The church could do all of that and donate $10 million to every single one of Utah’s public schools and it would still have a $38 billion cache to bathe in like Scrooge McDuck. And that’s just the math for the LDS assets held by Ensign Peak Advisors." 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/70449/becky-higgins-magnolia |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Dec 24, 2019 0:12:31 GMT
SLC Tribune Op-Ed www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/12/21/andrew-l-seidel-lds/"...Memes abound, “I saved 10 percent by switching to atheism.” Instead, I feel for the victims. I empathize with everyday Mormons trying to make ends meet and honor what they are told, repeatedly, is their religious duty. Mormons are told to donate under threat, not just of excommunication, but also of eternal torture and torment. Tithing may seem to many like willingly relinquished donations, but it’s more like spiritual coercion. In any other context we’d call it what it is: extortion. Donate this much or go to hell. Of course, devout Mormons are not the only victims. This money was diverted from charity away from helping those in need. And every taxpayer in the state and nation paid more in taxes because this company paid none. This insatiable lust and greed is immoral. The LDS Church could refuse all tithes this year and still cover its annual operating costs without noticing the dip. It could then give $3,000 to every single Mormon on earth — there are 15 million — and still have about $50 billion left. The church could do all of that and donate $10 million to every single one of Utah’s public schools and it would still have a $38 billion cache to bathe in like Scrooge McDuck. And that’s just the math for the LDS assets held by Ensign Peak Advisors." That sounds like extortion for salvation. I will just go on not believing anything but keeping the door ajar in case. |
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Post by needmysanity on Dec 24, 2019 0:19:26 GMT
I was raised in the LDS "religion"...Utah Mormon which carries a whole new level of commitment. I officially left the church in my 20's and had my name officially removed from the roster when I was 28. I have so many reasons why and this new thing just adds to it.
My dad was in the Bishopric for some time, so our house was privy to all sorts of gossip about the church members. One particular family was very poor....dad was mentally unstable and they had like 8 kids. The house had been condemned a few times, kids removed and returned - it was not a good situation. I recall questioning my dad about this family and how they were still required to give their 10% tithe to remain temple worthy. My dad didn't have a good answer except some blah blah blah about faith and that crap. It was one the earliest memories of me doubting the church.
The majority of my family is still practicing Mormons and I can't wait to hear how they sping this one.....
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 24, 2019 2:02:38 GMT
The majority of my family is still practicing Mormons and I can't wait to hear how they sping this one..... For my sanity, I hope it's not brought up at the family Christmas get together. It's been strangely quiet on Facebook about this one. My family is the only ones who are completely inactive. Because of issues with my son, I'm sure a few think have the higher moral ground because of the LDS church, while ignoring the amazing young woman my daughter has become in spite of her disability. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 24, 2019 2:20:34 GMT
"...Memes abound, “I saved 10 percent by switching to atheism.” Instead, I feel for the victims. I empathize with everyday Mormons trying to make ends meet and honor what they are told, repeatedly, is their religious duty. That's what hurts the most. For 22 years, the fund was not touched. I've been married for almost 22 years. We've always struggled with money. It hasn't been terrible but I would have made better choices. I blindly believed my life would be blessed if I did what the prophet said. For nine years, I cried every week at church because my eternal salvation was tied to my husband who chose not be an active member after we were married in the temple. I went to church with my two kids and struggled with my second child who was later diagnosed with Autism. I could not mentally and physically handle all that was required of me after my third child. I've accepted this is what has happened and it's over and done. It works for some members, but now I know I am not a failure.
What truly saddens me is the members outside the U.S. who make the decision between eating and paying tithing. In 2012, the prophet said to members in Africa
“We preach tithing to the poor people of the world because the poor people of the world have had cycles of poverty, generation after generation,” he said. “That same poverty continues from one generation to another, until people pay their tithing.” 
How can the top leadership be so cruel? What do they need with all that money in the second coming? I thought many things would be destroyed. Why would they need to keep all of that money in an investment portfolio? It would be worthless. At the very least, why aren't they helping members with provisions? Nineteen million dollars a day are made from that fund daily.
I'm going to watch the heathen Mormons Julianne and Derek Hough's Christmas TV special now. I'm distracting myself with cheesiness this holiday season.
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stittsygirl
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Post by stittsygirl on Dec 24, 2019 3:17:50 GMT
This part of that Op-Ed isn’t exactly true. I’ve never heard of anyone being excommunicated for not paying tithing alone. The Mormon church would lose about 3/4 of its membership if that were the case. Not paying tithing will keep you from getting a temple recommend though, which will keep you from the highest kingdom of Mormon heaven and therefore keep you from being with your family forever. They use the love members have for their families to coerce/extort money and obedience from them.
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Post by needmysanity on Dec 24, 2019 16:35:05 GMT
The majority of my family is still practicing Mormons and I can't wait to hear how they sping this one..... For my sanity, I hope it's not brought up at the family Christmas get together. It's been strangely quiet on Facebook about this one. My family is the only ones who are completely inactive. Because of issues with my son, I'm sure a few think have the higher moral ground because of the LDS church, while ignoring the amazing young woman my daughter has become in spite of her disability. They don't directly discuss the church with me - we have gone to blows over it a few times. Instead they will post things on FB or include me in a group email. It's very passive aggressive. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 24, 2019 16:37:28 GMT
This part of that Op-Ed isn’t exactly true. I’ve never heard of anyone being excommunicated for not paying tithing alone. The Mormon church would lose about 3/4 of its membership if that were the case. Not paying tithing will keep you from getting a temple recommend though, which will keep you from the highest kingdom of Mormon heaven and therefore keep you from being with your family forever. They use the love members have for their families to coerce/extort money and obedience from them. True. It wasn't worded very well in that part. Another thing is bishop roulette. My husband did not want to pay tithing when we were first married because we were struggling financially. I felt terrible, but my bishop at the time who really is an awesome guy had no issues with me having a recommend. My mom's bishop was a hard ass. There was a family (one an elderly couple, the wife had Alzheimer's disease) who lived only a couple of blocks away from each other and lived in different ward boundaries. He refused to give a temple recommend to the family that was attending the wrong ward. Then all of them attended my ward and everyone got a recommend. |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 24, 2019 16:45:03 GMT
They don't directly discuss the church with me - we have gone to blows over it a few times. Instead they will post things on FB or include me in a group email. It's very passive aggressive. Yep! Luckily, it's just remained on Facebook. I had a nephew delete my response post to how we should respect the president. Not related to church, but I felt like it was deleted because he felt he was being persecuted and called out on how the president has not been respectful of the military (McCain). I'm positive I've been restricted on a nephew-n-law's Facebook page to seeing what people have tagged him in and not what he has posted. Sometimes it's hard to tell if one sibling is being passive aggressive or just enjoys quoting the prophet and general authorities.
They are probably thinking I'm doing the same. I'm liking a lot of articles that are showing the church in a not so favorable light and making comments occasionally. I do have a few passive aggressive comments saved if I hear praise about how much money the church saves when I see the family. One thing Mormonism teaches well.   |
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I'll give it a few days to see what else comes out because who can believe the Washington Post? 
