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Post by drummergirl65 on Dec 24, 2019 19:15:24 GMT
I have a relative who is a hoarder. Reading the other thread, I got to wondering if this is fairly recent kind of thing? (within say 50 years) Is it because we are more aware? Or we have access to more things? Feel more isolated? Curious ponderings is all
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Dec 24, 2019 19:22:23 GMT
My grandmother was kind of a hoarder. Not quite what you see on TV but she did have an entire unlivable floor and garage crammed with stuff.
I always assumed it was a byproduct of being born during the Great Depression and raising seven kids.
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Post by katlady on Dec 24, 2019 19:24:10 GMT
According to Wikipedia, researchers started studying hoarding in the 1980’s and it was classified as a mental disorder in 2013. So, it seems to be a relatively new phenomenon. But I am sure there has been hoarding all through the ages but not as publicity acknowledged until recently.
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Post by wellway on Dec 24, 2019 19:25:00 GMT
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Post by tracyarts on Dec 24, 2019 19:25:25 GMT
We're more aware, I knew of hoarders as a kid 40+ years ago. It was one of those unpleasant problems that family and neighbors talked about discreetly in hushed tones when they thought the kids weren't listening.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Dec 24, 2019 19:26:22 GMT
Yes, I didn't think of hoarding animals 
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Post by christinec68 on Dec 24, 2019 19:30:57 GMT
One of my fathers friend was a hoarder. IIRC, it didn’t smell strongly but he had a ton of stuff. It was like a maze walking through his apartment and he had tons and tons of collectibles like 1000a of record albums.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 19:42:47 GMT
I think it's always been around, but made worse now because everything is easily accessible either though the mail, at the stores, on CL's or on someone's curb.
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Post by elaine on Dec 24, 2019 19:49:41 GMT
Mary Todd Lincoln was a hoarder. So it has been going on over 150 years.
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Post by KelleeM on Dec 24, 2019 20:14:05 GMT
Mary Todd Lincoln was a hoarder. So it has been going on over 150 years. I find this fascinating. Do you have a resource; I’d love to read about her.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 24, 2019 20:17:33 GMT
It’s not just people who lived through the Depression, it can be younger people too. If you watch any of the shows about it many of the people who do it didn’t start out that way. A lot of them had some catastrophic situation where they lost a loved one, lost all their stuff in a fire or had some other major turning point event in their life that made something switch in their heads. They put an unrealistic value on the things in their home whether those things have actual value or not and they have a hard time parting with anything as a result. And OMG the excuses they can come up with as to why they can’t get rid of stuff! It seems really, really bizarre some of the stuff people save.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 24, 2019 20:18:12 GMT
I don't think it's anything new. My grandparents lived through the depression. If my grandma wasn't a neat freak, his hoards would not have been contained to two sheds.
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Post by katlady on Dec 24, 2019 20:32:55 GMT
When I think of hoarding I think more of what I see on TV - literally trash kept in the house. Spoiled food, animal feces, etc. That I think is really a mental issue.
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Post by elaine on Dec 24, 2019 20:45:51 GMT
Mary Todd Lincoln was a hoarder. So it has been going on over 150 years. I find this fascinating. Do you have a resource; I’d love to read about her. I first heard about it on the PBS series - A House Divided. There are a number of written sources, if you google. Her spending was controversial- especially during the Civil War. She also most likely had a bipolar mood disorder. Here is just one short piece: americacomesalive.com/2014/10/26/mary-lincolns-shopping-habits-perspective/
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Post by mustlovecats on Dec 24, 2019 20:59:41 GMT
I think that the impulse to hoard probably exists everywhere and has throughout history, but I think access to items to hoard has not always existed.
My grandmother was a hoarder without access to great quantities of things. She would keep every last little thing, jars and cans and newspapers, but she lived in rural Wisconsin and there was (still is) one store within 30 miles so access limited what she could accumulate.
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on Dec 24, 2019 21:18:16 GMT
  This has been going around on FB for a while. Some people think it's funny. I disagree, but mainly because I have cleaned out two family members houses after they passed. I think it's more widely known now because of the population that hoarded things is aging and the boomers and millennials and beyond are left to take care of it.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Dec 24, 2019 21:20:19 GMT
I think hoarding has always been a thing. From mild to horrifying/health hazard.
I think the internet, social media and reality tv have brought it to the forefront. Prior to that, you only knew about it, if you had a friend, neighbor or family member who suffered from it, meaning you saw it firsthand. Nowadays, a photo or story about a hoarding situation can go viral in a matter of seconds, hours or a couple days.....millions of people(complete strangers) know all about it.
I also think, increased house sizes have contributed to hoarding. More room, more square footage, more counter space, bigger closets, bigger garages, etc...means more room for stuff to accumulated.
For some people it an actual sickness. For others it simply a case of pack rat, holding on to stuff, for fear of letting it go just in case 20 years later you might need it or it might fit again.
I think the worst is pet/animal hoarding. Homes with extreme amounts of pets.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 24, 2019 22:18:29 GMT
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Post by Delta Dawn on Dec 24, 2019 22:28:30 GMT
Mental illness is being brought forward as we talk about mind sickness more openly.
My psych said psychiatry is like a 3rd world medicine and I asked him if he was working for Drs. Without Borders. He laughed but said yeah. Mental illness is still not well understood.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 24, 2019 22:46:22 GMT
I was a Meals on Wheels volunteer in high school in the 1980s, and saw some unfortunate situations; my dad did home checks for the electric company in the 1970s, and he did too. I do not think it is new, although I would not be surprised if it is somewhat more widespread because consumer goods are cheaper and easier to get.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 24, 2019 22:49:17 GMT
When I think of hoarding I think more of what I see on TV - literally trash kept in the house. Spoiled food, animal feces, etc. That I think is really a mental issue. Like much of TV, I think they sensationalize the worst-case scenarios. It makes for compelling television. But in reality, hoarding is a sliding-scale type phenomenon. It manifests in any number of ways. I work for friends who own an auction house. We often pick up whole estates to auction. Sometimes because the family is simply overwhelmed with the sheer volume of 'stuff' the person owned. It can range from a depression-era survivor who kept every possible useful thing that crossed their paths no matter the condition of the item to people with shopping addictions whose homes are stuffed full of basically brand-new merchandise. Guilt plays a large part in hoarding, too -- people feel compelled to keep things they don't want and will never use, but...
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Post by chaosisapony on Dec 24, 2019 22:52:23 GMT
My grandma was a hoarder starting in the early 90s. She got into a car accident and had to be in a wheel chair after. Since she couldn't work or drive after that she just started shopping. QVC mainly and when my grandpa would take her to town. That spiraled into animal hoarding as well. She wasn't as bad as some of the shows on tv but it definitely made an impression on me as a kid!
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Post by Merge on Dec 24, 2019 22:54:32 GMT
My grandparents got married in 1930 and had their first 5 kids during the depression, and they never threw anything away. On top of that, depression or not, they were grindingly poor (the 11th child, my mom, arrived in 1950 and my grandfather was first a not very good farmer and then a cabinet maker who had a serious beer and cards problem). So anything that might possibly be used was kept. They lived in a two-story house with a large basement, and by the 1970s, every space that was not actively used by family was crammed with junk. So much junk. It was actually really fun for me as a kid - my favorite place to hang out was in the big front room upstairs (they called it a sleeping porch) and the sun room downstairs, both of which were a treasure trove of crap from 1900 onward (my great grandmother and all her stuff came to live with the family in her declining years, so there was crap from her growing up and married years as well). The basement was also a junk heap, but I was mostly too scared to go down there - it had a dirt floor at the back and was unfinished throughout, and gave off very creepy scary movie vibes.
They didn't do the trash hoarding thing, and never had pets in the house, but so. much. junk.
My sister and her husband seem to have a similar thing going on. Her house is piled with stuff from my parents' and grandparents' houses, plus stuff they've collected themselves in 17 years of marriage. She can't bear to get rid of anything that a relative owned, made or touched - from either side of the family. I consider that hoarding.
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Post by julie5 on Dec 24, 2019 23:00:12 GMT
My grandma hoarded because she was a child during the depression. Hubby’s grandma did the same thing the same reason. They didn’t have much money so a coffee can or newspaper could be repurposed.
Now, I think people surround themselves with “collections” to fill an emotional void. I’ve battled a shopping addiction, from being so desperately poor then having plenty of money-it was hard to stop buying things JUST because it was cheap. That “I’ll use it eventually” mentality, it’s tough. But I’m getting a lot better.
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Post by breetheflea on Dec 24, 2019 23:36:21 GMT
And I read this post, and now Facebook is showing me articles about hoarding...
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Post by hmp on Dec 24, 2019 23:55:06 GMT
The earliest account of hoarding I’ve personally read came from Germany in the 14th century (1300’s). I think it is easier to become a hoarder today because of “planned obsolescence” in our products, especially those made after WW II. Prior to WW II, many things were made with the understanding that they would & could be repaired. Now it is often literally cheaper to replace than repair. I think this began with the well-intentioned plan to jumpstart the economy after WW II. Plus, having a diagnosis tends to codify the behavior in the minds of clinicians & the general public.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 24, 2019 23:55:07 GMT
I don't think hoarding is a new thing, it's just a more publicized thing.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Dec 25, 2019 0:02:01 GMT
This is very interesting. I don't know much about this. I'll admit. I do know it's a mental health problem. Interesting to see that some people in history were hoarders. My relative has had the fire marshall at his place and has been threatened with eviction. We've tried to help but it's a lost cause it seems
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Post by tracyarts on Dec 25, 2019 1:00:48 GMT
I agree with hoarding being on a spectrum.
My mom was a hoarder in her later years, but her hoard was neatly organized and contained and stored completely out of sight in an otherwise clean and minimally furnished/decorated home. Nowadays her behavior might be called "stockpiling" but it was really a form of hoarding. She grew up in crushing poverty during the Great Depression, and in her later years started hoarding more canned food than she would ever need or could ever use. Stockpiling is acquiring with a plan of use. Mom just hoarded.
And a friend was a "clean" collecting hoarder. Hoarding doesn't always come with dirt, vermin, and squalor. She hoarded beautiful and valuable things. But to the point where all storage spaces in her home were full and a bedroom and part of an oversized garage became neatly shelved and catalogued storerooms. Collections are great, when they are accessible and displayed and enjoyed on a regular basis. But when it's just shelves of boxed items being stored away indefinitely, what real enjoyment is in owning it? It wasn't collecting at that point, but hoarding.
And then squalor hoarders and animal hoarders. I've known those too. Those are the ones people think about when you say "hoarder". Nobody questions it being a problem.
My mom's hoarding never became a problem, nor did my friend's. But it was still examples of types of hoarding.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Dec 25, 2019 1:32:07 GMT
This makes me a little nervous. I know I have hoarding tendencies, but the number of the items on that list that I can relate to is a little nerve wracking. Something about seeing it in writing.
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