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Post by muggins on Jan 8, 2020 23:11:37 GMT
Our school district is hosting a poverty simulation exercise soon and people are being invited to volunteer. Since my friend is currently being evicted for financial reasons, this seems like if would be a great source of information for me. I’ll also sign up my DS14 as it’s important for him to empathise with others. Has anyone taken part in one of these workshops? What did you think? m.youtube.com/watch?v=SwmsMK_tQA0
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 8, 2020 23:19:01 GMT
Perhaps I'm sensitive, but is this a joke?
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 8, 2020 23:22:59 GMT
I did one in grad school two years ago. It’s very enlightening on the struggles someone would face who doesn’t have a car or phone or a computer just to get everyday basic things accomplished. How quickly at that income or lack of income all together things snowball.
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Post by snyder on Jan 8, 2020 23:24:22 GMT
I haven't, but think it is a great exercise as many do not know what it is to walk in the shoes of poverty. Just take this medicine and you will be fine. Well sure, if I could pay for it, whereas the person telling them has never gone without one day is looking at them like they are an alien as they can't comprehend not having the $5 or $10 for the script.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 8, 2020 23:29:15 GMT
Okay I just watched the video.
Is this geared for a school whose students have not ever been touched by poverty?
I can understand wanting to teach empathy to well off students who have never faced that situation.
In my neighborhood, kids know all too well what poverty is like.
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Post by muggins on Jan 8, 2020 23:33:38 GMT
Perhaps I'm sensitive, but is this a joke? No, not at all. I think it’s aimed at people with privilege so they understand the hardships and frustrations some people face when living in poverty. If you watch the video, each person is given a scenario and they have to try to get by by making decisions, and accessing aid available to them. Often people who have never experienced poverty think those who do, are simply not working hard enough, or not making good decisions, etc. This simulation is designed to show that it’s not that simple and people should have more empathy for people who are struggling.
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Post by MissBianca on Jan 8, 2020 23:35:06 GMT
Our high school does a tent city weekend. We do have kids at our school who struggle with poverty and homelessness. With just under 3000 students they cover the full array of wealthy to poor. It helps show the kids that need help, that is ok to ask and it helps show the kids not affected by poverty some sympathy. We also have a loft at school that is a food pantry and clothing store. Kids get a backpack filled with food every Friday.
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Post by muggins on Jan 8, 2020 23:36:17 GMT
Okay I just watched the video. Is this geared for a school whose students have not ever been touched by poverty? I can understand wanting to teach empathy to well off students who have never faced that situation. In my neighborhood, kids know all too well what poverty is like. Yes, I think so. The school district is in a wealthy area where most students have no idea what poverty looks like. This event is not mandatory. It will take place on MLK day when schools are closed. Only adults, HS, and MS students can attend by signing up. There is lots of info provided online before signing up so attendees know what to expect. There is also space for 20 spectators for those who don’t want to participate.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 8, 2020 23:36:57 GMT
Perhaps I'm sensitive, but is this a joke? If you watch the video, it is very well explained. I think it's a great program to teach empathy.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 9, 2020 1:53:37 GMT
I run a summer camp that's geared towards helping kids learn about homelessness, poverty, etc. One very powerful quick exercise we do is have them count off 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4, etc. then ask all the #1s to stand up. We then tell them that they don't get dinner tonight, or breakfast tomorrow, but they're lucky because tomorrow is a school day so they can get lunch at school. 1 in 4 kids in our county live with food insecurity. It's easy to say it's irrelevant to me, but by doing that simple thing, they start to see that maybe it's not them, but it might just be that kid in math class or the kid you played with at recess.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 9, 2020 2:10:55 GMT
As a person who grew up in poverty and still has many family members and friends in actual, real, poverty, this seems well meaning but in reality a little offensive. Sort of like baby sitting a doll for a weekend doesn’t show the reality of trying to provide child care, diapers and actual real food for a child. Or a grocery budget of (*whatever*) for a period of time, but knowing the experiment can be called at any time and it’s a limited time only.
Poverty is generational, and even well meaning as this seems, there is absolutely no way to truly understand it. It’s like being “black for a weekend.”
I know it gets my hackles up whenever my more affluent “act two” friends try to act enlightened. Or my other favorite, I was going to join the military... but....
Until you wear the shoes, don’t pretend you have blisters. And those blisters don’t feel the same when you know they go away at 8pm.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jan 9, 2020 2:32:28 GMT
As a person who grew up in poverty and still has many family members and friends in actual, real, poverty, this seems well meaning but in reality a little offensive. Sort of like baby sitting a doll for a weekend doesn’t show the reality of trying to provide child care, diapers and actual real food for a child. Or a grocery budget of (*whatever*) for a period of time, but knowing the experiment can be called at any time and it’s a limited time only. Poverty is generational, and even well meaning as this seems, there is absolutely no way to truly understand it. It’s like being “black for a weekend.” I know it gets my hackles up whenever my more affluent “act two” friends try to act enlightened. Or my other favorite, I was going to join the military... but.... Until you wear the shoes, don’t pretend you have blisters. And those blisters don’t feel the same when you know they go away at 8pm. So help us with a better solution.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 9, 2020 2:34:17 GMT
As a person who grew up in poverty and still has many family members and friends in actual, real, poverty, this seems well meaning but in reality a little offensive. Sort of like baby sitting a doll for a weekend doesn’t show the reality of trying to provide child care, diapers and actual real food for a child. Or a grocery budget of (*whatever*) for a period of time, but knowing the experiment can be called at any time and it’s a limited time only. Poverty is generational, and even well meaning as this seems, there is absolutely no way to truly understand it. It’s like being “black for a weekend.” I know it gets my hackles up whenever my more affluent “act two” friends try to act enlightened. Or my other favorite, I was going to join the military... but.... Until you wear the shoes, don’t pretend you have blisters. And those blisters don’t feel the same when you know they go away at 8pm. I’m sorry it bothers you. I knew going through the simulation that it doesn’t even begin to compare to really living it. But if people don’t even have a glimpse into a what a life living in poverty resembles, how are they supposed to comprehend and try to create opportunities to help? When I did the simulation it was unbelievably frustrating trying to accomplish ANYTHING. And it was only a two hour simulation. This gives people that glimpse. Hopefully encourages them and inspires them to get involved, create programs and raise money to assist people. To help them get past and out of poverty.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 9, 2020 4:12:14 GMT
I think things like this are a good educational tool. I’ve been poor, but not POOR poor. We always had food to eat (not awesome, but enough) and a roof over our head and appropriate clothing for the weather. I feel for people who aren’t as lucky as I have been and am. A new kid just started school in January in my DD’s 4th grade class. She has been coming to school with only a thin windbreaker type jacket and no winter coat or snow pants, no boots or hat and only thin stretch gloves. These kids have to go outside for 20-30 minutes for recess every day that it’s above zero. My kid is really worried about this kid being warm enough when they have to be outside. It was 5° outside today. I sew and it would be no big deal at all to make this kid a nice warm fleece hat, neck gaiter and mittens at least. I just don’t know if that would be overstepping or if this kid would be embarrassed for my kid to just give her this stuff. I already have all the supplies to do this, so it wouldn’t even cost me a cent to do it just a little bit of my time. I know that the school can direct families in need to places that can help with stuff like this, and the school just held a big warm clothing drive right before the holidays and all the stuff they collected was donated to local charities. But that was before this girl was attending the school, and if the family doesn’t ask, how will this kid get the warm gear she needs? Winter is long and really cold here, and the thought of this kid being cold every single day makes both me and my kid sad when we know we could do something to help. (I would even buy her a warm coat if I knew what size she needed but some people are really proud and don’t want to accept charity even if they really need it.) Sigh.
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Post by muggins on Jan 9, 2020 4:22:58 GMT
I think things like this are a good educational tool. I’ve been poor, but not POOR poor. We always had food to eat (not awesome, but enough) and a roof over our head and appropriate clothing for the weather. I feel for people who aren’t as lucky as I have been and am. A new kid just started school in January in my DD’s 4th grade class. She has been coming to school with only a thin windbreaker type jacket and no winter coat or snow pants, no boots or hat and only thin stretch gloves. These kids have to go outside for 20-30 minutes for recess every day that it’s above zero. My kid is really worried about this kid being warm enough when they have to be outside. It was 5° outside today. I sew and it would be no big deal at all to make this kid a nice warm fleece hat, neck gaiter and mittens at least. I just don’t know if that would be overstepping or if this kid would be embarrassed for my kid to just give her this stuff. I already have all the supplies to do this, so it wouldn’t even cost me a cent to do it just a little bit of my time. I know that the school can direct families in need to places that can help with stuff like this, and the school just held a big warm clothing drive right before the holidays and all the stuff they collected was donated to local charities. But that was before this girl was attending the school, and if the family doesn’t ask, how will this kid get the warm gear she needs? Winter is long and really cold here, and the thought of this kid being cold every single day makes both me and my kid sad when we know we could do something to help. (I would even buy her a warm coat if I knew what size she needed but some people are really proud and don’t want to accept charity even if they really need it.) Sigh. How thoughtful that your child is concerned for her classmate’s warmth and well being:) TBH the school should not be forcing an inappropriately dressed child outside in very cold weather. As an ex teacher in MI, we would never sent a child outside unless they were wearing suitable clothing. If you would like to provide hat, etc. Please contact the teacher directly. I’m sure the school is well aware of her family situation. Perhaps the child would be happy to take your items if she thought they were provided by the teacher. I always had extra snacks, supplies, etc for kids who needed them.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 9, 2020 5:17:39 GMT
I think things like this are a good educational tool. I’ve been poor, but not POOR poor. We always had food to eat (not awesome, but enough) and a roof over our head and appropriate clothing for the weather. I feel for people who aren’t as lucky as I have been and am. A new kid just started school in January in my DD’s 4th grade class. She has been coming to school with only a thin windbreaker type jacket and no winter coat or snow pants, no boots or hat and only thin stretch gloves. These kids have to go outside for 20-30 minutes for recess every day that it’s above zero. My kid is really worried about this kid being warm enough when they have to be outside. It was 5° outside today. I sew and it would be no big deal at all to make this kid a nice warm fleece hat, neck gaiter and mittens at least. I just don’t know if that would be overstepping or if this kid would be embarrassed for my kid to just give her this stuff. I already have all the supplies to do this, so it wouldn’t even cost me a cent to do it just a little bit of my time. I know that the school can direct families in need to places that can help with stuff like this, and the school just held a big warm clothing drive right before the holidays and all the stuff they collected was donated to local charities. But that was before this girl was attending the school, and if the family doesn’t ask, how will this kid get the warm gear she needs? Winter is long and really cold here, and the thought of this kid being cold every single day makes both me and my kid sad when we know we could do something to help. (I would even buy her a warm coat if I knew what size she needed but some people are really proud and don’t want to accept charity even if they really need it.) Sigh. If you are in a position to help, please do. I wouldn't do it through your dd, even though it is her idea, and a wonderful idea, and I'm proud of her for being such a kind and caring soul. Email the teacher stating that you saw Classmate might benefit from warmer gear, and that you are dropping off a bag at the office with teacher's name on it. State that if she (teacher) thinks it's appropriate, please discreetly give to Classmate anonymously. That way it's more like a school led program as opposed to a classmate-to-classmate charity project. Underdressed Classmate won't feel embarrassed when she sees your dd (not that she should, but pride is a weird beast and can mess with your head), and parents might be more open to accepting a new coat for their kid if it seems like its a school led program and not other parents noticing their kid in subpar winter gear.
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Post by candleangie on Jan 9, 2020 5:32:31 GMT
I think things like this are a good educational tool. I’ve been poor, but not POOR poor. We always had food to eat (not awesome, but enough) and a roof over our head and appropriate clothing for the weather. I feel for people who aren’t as lucky as I have been and am. A new kid just started school in January in my DD’s 4th grade class. She has been coming to school with only a thin windbreaker type jacket and no winter coat or snow pants, no boots or hat and only thin stretch gloves. These kids have to go outside for 20-30 minutes for recess every day that it’s above zero. My kid is really worried about this kid being warm enough when they have to be outside. It was 5° outside today. I sew and it would be no big deal at all to make this kid a nice warm fleece hat, neck gaiter and mittens at least. I just don’t know if that would be overstepping or if this kid would be embarrassed for my kid to just give her this stuff. I already have all the supplies to do this, so it wouldn’t even cost me a cent to do it just a little bit of my time. I know that the school can direct families in need to places that can help with stuff like this, and the school just held a big warm clothing drive right before the holidays and all the stuff they collected was donated to local charities. But that was before this girl was attending the school, and if the family doesn’t ask, how will this kid get the warm gear she needs? Winter is long and really cold here, and the thought of this kid being cold every single day makes both me and my kid sad when we know we could do something to help. (I would even buy her a warm coat if I knew what size she needed but some people are really proud and don’t want to accept charity even if they really need it.) Sigh. How thoughtful that your child is concerned for her classmate’s warmth and well being:) TBH the school should not be forcing an inappropriately dressed child outside in very cold weather. As an ex teacher in MI, we would never sent a child outside unless they were wearing suitable clothing. If you would like to provide hat, etc. Please contact the teacher directly. I’m sure the school is well aware of her family situation. Perhaps the child would be happy to take your items if she thought they were provided by the teacher. I always had extra snacks, supplies, etc for kids who needed them. When dd was 8 she had a friend that was definitely in need of some warm gear. We made two sets and she took them to school and just said “oh my gosh, look! My mom made us matching hats and scarves! TWINS!!”
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Post by nlwilkins on Jan 9, 2020 6:36:43 GMT
I kind of see this as preaching to the choir. The people who care are the ones who are attending the event, while the ones who really need to are not there.
For me the not having enough to eat or living on charity was not the worst of it. It was knowing that the future would not be any better. Dreams and plans were not for us, they were for the rich kids not us. We had a roof over our head and a few clothes to wear and were better off than some, but still the day after day of going without was spirit breaking. Watching friends go to ballet class, go on vacation, get new clothes and so on was sad. Our situation changed and by the time I was in High School I knew I could go to college on the GI Bill so future was brighter. But I will never forget the drudgery of doing without day after day and know that it would never change.
A two hour exercise, or even a week long event, would never give one a taste of that feeling or that disheartened spirit that children in poverty live with or that parents deal with when they cannot feed their child or provide them the things they need.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 9, 2020 14:36:28 GMT
How thoughtful that your child is concerned for her classmate’s warmth and well being:) TBH the school should not be forcing an inappropriately dressed child outside in very cold weather. As an ex teacher in MI, we would never sent a child outside unless they were wearing suitable clothing. If you would like to provide hat, etc. Please contact the teacher directly. I’m sure the school is well aware of her family situation. Perhaps the child would be happy to take your items if she thought they were provided by the teacher. I always had extra snacks, supplies, etc for kids who needed them. This was what I was thinking too, it’s crazy to make the kids go out when they aren’t dressed for it. But I also know kids who would intentionally leave their stuff at home so they wouldn’t have to go outside. I would have been one of them, LOL. I emailed the teacher today and will see what she says. If you are in a position to help, please do. I wouldn't do it through your dd, even though it is her idea, and a wonderful idea, and I'm proud of her for being such a kind and caring soul. Email the teacher stating that you saw Classmate might benefit from warmer gear, and that you are dropping off a bag at the office with teacher's name on it. State that if she (teacher) thinks it's appropriate, please discreetly give to Classmate anonymously. That way it's more like a school led program as opposed to a classmate-to-classmate charity project. Underdressed Classmate won't feel embarrassed when she sees your dd (not that she should, but pride is a weird beast and can mess with your head), and parents might be more open to accepting a new coat for their kid if it seems like its a school led program and not other parents noticing their kid in subpar winter gear. This is another good idea. Even my DD is worried that this kid will feel like a charity case if she knew the stuff came from us, and DD has said “I know it isn’t my business, but...” She definitely is worried about this girl and it warms my own heart that she cares this much about a kid she literally just met eight days ago. When dd was 8 she had a friend that was definitely in need of some warm gear. We made two sets and she took them to school and just said “oh my gosh, look! My mom made us matching hats and scarves! TWINS!!” Well, my kid has a very distinctive hat that I made just for her a couple years ago and she wears it pretty much every day, even long after winter ends. I call it her “cloak of invincibility” LOL. She’s pretty attached to the fact that it sets her apart so I don’t know if the twins idea would work in our situation. But I did make a different hat for another friend (who specifically asked her if I could do it) and he loves it and wears it every day. Thanks everyone for the advice. I have contacted the teacher letting her know we are more than willing to help if it would be welcomed and not an intrusion. I’m totally fine with it being anonymous and would tell my kid why it needed to stay that way and I know she would completely understand. ETA: Just wanted to follow up that DD’s teacher replied saying she had no idea the new student didn’t have appropriate winter gear for the weather. However, she did ask the other teachers and apparently the school has some resources there so this little girl was able to get a warm coat, snow pants and boots before recess today. 😊 I told the teacher to let me know if there was anything else she needed (hat, mittens, etc.) that we could help out with. I feel so much better knowing this kid will be warm when she’s playing outside. I know how bad it sucks for me just standing out with my kid at the bus stop for five minutes, I can’t imagine how not fun it would be to spend 20-30 minutes out there every day not dressed for the weather!
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Post by slkmommy on Jan 9, 2020 15:13:56 GMT
I participated in one of these as part of a ministry group that tackled poverty in my hometown. It was eye opening, showed me immediately that the poor can’t just decide not to be poor. The hoops they are required to navigate, while trying to take care of their household, it’s daunting. If for instance they have a record, and need to report to a probation or parole officer, they need to have transportation. To qualify for free transportation they have to fill out a form, you guessed it, at an office, that isn’t accessible by public transportation.
it showed me that (generally speaking, and I know there are abusers of the systems), it is a cycle that is hard to expel yourself from.
overall, a profound learning experience.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 9, 2020 15:26:49 GMT
When I was 16 or so, at summer camp (Christian) we did an exercise where we were divided into three groups. Group 1's instructions were to go swimming and whatever we normally did at camp. Group 2 did some camp "labor" and then got to swim, and Group 3 did chores all afternoon and I think was told not to interact with the other 2 groups. We were all given different instructions/rules and ate different meals. It ended up in an interesting discussion, but also a ton of hurt feelings. I guess since I remember that day vividly almost 30 years later it made an impression on me.
I'll be interested to see how your experience turns out.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 9, 2020 16:24:00 GMT
I participated in one of these as part of a ministry group that tackled poverty in my hometown. It was eye opening, showed me immediately that the poor can’t just decide not to be poor. The hoops they are required to navigate, while trying to take care of their household, it’s daunting. If for instance they have a record, and need to report to a probation or parole officer, they need to have transportation. To qualify for free transportation they have to fill out a form, you guessed it, at an office, that isn’t accessible by public transportation. it showed me that (generally speaking, and I know there are abusers of the systems), it is a cycle that is hard to expel yourself from. overall, a profound learning experience. I’m happy to hear this I participated in the one we had at work last year. As someone that was poor, lived in public housing, worked at dshs and been able to move out of that life, I was interested in seeing how it was set up. It was just a small glimpse of the struggles, but hopefully it did help some see that there is more to poverty than just going out and getting a job/better job.
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Post by peabay on Jan 9, 2020 17:29:18 GMT
The people who need it in my town are the parents. We had someone post to our town FB page recently that they were looking for charity opportunities where their child could actually give the things to the people in need so they would appreciate what they have. I had to sit on my hands and not type: "Holy shit, they aren't ZOO ANIMALS!"
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 9, 2020 18:41:33 GMT
The people who need it in my town are the parents. We had someone post to our town FB page recently that they were looking for charity opportunities where their child could actually give the things to the people in need so they would appreciate what they have. I had to sit on my hands and not type: "Holy shit, they aren't ZOO ANIMALS!" While I understand what you’re saying, I kind of get what the person posting that was getting at. It can be really hard for kids in particular to grasp the concept when they have never wanted for any of the basics and have never personally known anyone truly in need. I know people who went on mission trips as high school students to dig wells or build schools. They were totally overwhelmed by the incredible poverty they personally witnessed, to the point that they literally gave away all of the personal clothing that they had brought with them to wear on the trip because the people they were helping had absolutely nothing. For the people I know, it was truly a life changing experience. It’s one thing for a person of means to think you understand poverty and another thing entirely to witness it for yourself, and maybe that was what they were wanting their kids to experience.
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Post by tkdmom on Jan 9, 2020 19:13:18 GMT
I use a similar scenario with my nursing students. Whether they come from wealth and privilege or from poverty they have found the exercise to be very helpful. It helps them to understand the hard choices you have to make. Most find it makes them more empathetic for their patient's. Many good discussions have taken place around this concept.
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Post by MissBianca on Jan 9, 2020 19:17:23 GMT
I run a summer camp that's geared towards helping kids learn about homelessness, poverty, etc. One very powerful quick exercise we do is have them count off 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4, etc. then ask all the #1s to stand up. We then tell them that they don't get dinner tonight, or breakfast tomorrow, but they're lucky because tomorrow is a school day so they can get lunch at school. 1 in 4 kids in our county live with food insecurity. It's easy to say it's irrelevant to me, but by doing that simple thing, they start to see that maybe it's not them, but it might just be that kid in math class or the kid you played with at recess. That’s like the exercise that a HS did about everyone’s story is different. I saw a video once, maybe here on 2peas. All the kids line up at the end of a football field. They announce something like take a step forward if your parents are still together. Take a step forward if you know you have a meal today. Some people call it a privilege walk according to google. It’s a good lesson that makes it tangible.
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Post by pridemom on Jan 9, 2020 19:38:17 GMT
I think things like this are a good educational tool. I’ve been poor, but not POOR poor. We always had food to eat (not awesome, but enough) and a roof over our head and appropriate clothing for the weather. I feel for people who aren’t as lucky as I have been and am. A new kid just started school in January in my DD’s 4th grade class. She has been coming to school with only a thin windbreaker type jacket and no winter coat or snow pants, no boots or hat and only thin stretch gloves. These kids have to go outside for 20-30 minutes for recess every day that it’s above zero. My kid is really worried about this kid being warm enough when they have to be outside. It was 5° outside today. I sew and it would be no big deal at all to make this kid a nice warm fleece hat, neck gaiter and mittens at least. I just don’t know if that would be overstepping or if this kid would be embarrassed for my kid to just give her this stuff. I already have all the supplies to do this, so it wouldn’t even cost me a cent to do it just a little bit of my time. I know that the school can direct families in need to places that can help with stuff like this, and the school just held a big warm clothing drive right before the holidays and all the stuff they collected was donated to local charities. But that was before this girl was attending the school, and if the family doesn’t ask, how will this kid get the warm gear she needs? Winter is long and really cold here, and the thought of this kid being cold every single day makes both me and my kid sad when we know we could do something to help. (I would even buy her a warm coat if I knew what size she needed but some people are really proud and don’t want to accept charity even if they really need it.) Sigh. I would call the school and ask. Many schools have social workers on staff to assist students with needs. Our school has a coat closet and local charities and churches work with the social workers to purchase shoes, coats, etc. for students.
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Post by muggins on Jan 9, 2020 21:20:40 GMT
The people who need it in my town are the parents. We had someone post to our town FB page recently that they were looking for charity opportunities where their child could actually give the things to the people in need so they would appreciate what they have. I had to sit on my hands and not type: "Holy shit, they aren't ZOO ANIMALS!" While I understand what you’re saying, I kind of get what the person posting that was getting at. It can be really hard for kids in particular to grasp the concept when they have never wanted for any of the basics and have never personally known anyone truly in need. I know people who went on mission trips as high school students to dig wells or build schools. They were totally overwhelmed by the incredible poverty they personally witnessed, to the point that they literally gave away all of the personal clothing that they had brought with them to wear on the trip because the people they were helping had absolutely nothing. For the people I know, it was truly a life changing experience. It’s one thing for a person of means to think you understand poverty and another thing entirely to witness it for yourself, and maybe that was what they were wanting their kids to experience. I think there’s a very fine line in these scenarios and I think people need to think very carefully about why they are volunteering and donating and which party is benefiting from it. In HS my DD went to Sri Lanka and Cambodia with Habitat fur Humanity. None of the students had any idea about construction and the tools they were given were virtually useless. On reflection we think the money spent on flights, food, accommodation, teacher chaperones, etc would have been far better spent buying quality tools and hiring local construction workers. But hey, it boosted her college application. Same goes for a couple of her HS junior friends who went to volunteer in a maternity hospital in Africa for a summer to add to their college application. Neither had any experience at all. Money would have been better spent on providing a local woman with midwife training. And don’t even get me started on mission trips....
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 9, 2020 21:34:12 GMT
That’s like the exercise that a HS did about everyone’s story is different. I saw a video once, maybe here on 2peas. All the kids line up at the end of a football field. They announce something like take a step forward if your parents are still together. Take a step forward if you know you have a meal today. Some people call it a privilege walk according to google. It’s a good lesson that makes it tangible. That's kind of the angle we take, but you have to be very careful. While most of our campers are from middle/upper middle class, not everyone is. And everyone DOES have a different story. We have to be very careful about how we delve into sensitive topics - and sometimes things you may not even think of. For example, homeless people have a higher rate of physical handicaps than the general population - but we don't want some kid going home and thinking they're about to be homeless because daddy sprained his ankle and is on crutches. The "zoo" issue mentioned above is another fine line. I think it really depends on the kid and how they've been prepared. I've seen people show up to make sandwiches to send out on the truck with their fancy matching t-shirts, huge diamond rings, chatting about the exotic vacations they're about to take and how they're glad they got this task checked off their list for their "service league." On the other hand, I've seen a 9-year-old girl go out with the truck into the homeless community, sharing food, toiletries, etc. who comes back and lists all the ways the different people were just like her. You always have to be sensitive to that fact - you may be in a position to help, but you're still just like the people you're helping.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 9, 2020 21:39:03 GMT
I would call the school and ask. Many schools have social workers on staff to assist students with needs. Our school has a coat closet and local charities and churches work with the social workers to purchase shoes, coats, etc. for students. I updated my other post. I emailed the teacher this morning and she replied that she hadn’t been aware of the problem. (The teacher is also new to the school, having just started there in December.) But after checking with some other teachers she was able to get the child outfitted with a warm coat, snow pants and boots before recess today. 😊 I was very glad I said something so this kid’s needs could be addressed.
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