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Post by teach4u on Feb 12, 2020 0:01:19 GMT
In the past three years I've taught four students devastated by their parents divorce, arguing, and custody battles. They are not able to focus on learning when their hearts are breaking and effectively expected to move on and deal with it. I know many parents seek professional help for kids, but many don't . So in addition to the legal checklists, the financial moves, I'd add seek help for your kids.
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Post by elaine on Feb 12, 2020 0:32:04 GMT
I hope that you vote in favor of affordable comprehensive healthcare for all.
I agree that therapy for children can be extremely beneficial, even necessary, but if one doesn’t have health insurance that covers it, it isn’t likely to happen.
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Post by julie5 on Feb 12, 2020 0:40:39 GMT
My ex and I have been commended on how well we’ve publicly handled our divorce. Ie, no trashing each other to common acquaintances like teachers, sharing conference time to save teachers headaches.
Now that I’m down to one minor child, I’ve come to realize it came at a price. I didn’t stand up for myself and my time enough with him, and now I have him and one of my adult children pissed that I no longer operate in their timetable.
But yeah, I see so much just on Facebook. I can’t imagine what the school has to deal with. That first year was ruuuuff as he replaced me quite quickly, had two incomes and I barely made ends meet. I was very bitter and it spilled over to the kids. But as I saw my kids crying I realized it wasn’t worth making them cry.
To thus day when I do something that happens to make my exes life easier and my husband gets mad, I say “I don’t do it for HIM. I do it for THEM”.
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Post by ashley on Feb 12, 2020 0:57:49 GMT
Elaine is right, therapy is expensive and difficult for a lot of families to afford. I know there aren’t always a lot of free and accessible options available either.
Also, children and people of other ages should hopefully be able to access therapy *when they need it* Not as a blanket reaction to divorce — not all kids react badly to their parents’ separation.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 12, 2020 1:49:06 GMT
It also isn't as simple as seeking therapy... I have health insurance, provided by a company that runs one of the area health systems. My primary care doctor referred me to psychiatry, and I still had to take an appointment three months out, and that's just for the intake appointment.
You can't use what isn't available.
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Post by Lexica on Feb 12, 2020 2:35:00 GMT
I ended up taking my son to a therapist. I told him that the therapist was his own personal helper and that he could tell him anything that was bothering him, even if he was complaining about me. He had a lot of issues with his father and his new wife. They had huge fights that resulted in hair pulling and lots of screaming. I told my ex how damaging it was to our son, but he denied doing it very often. Once was too much. I had to tell my son that his dad’s marriage behavior was very unhealthy. I said can you picture grandma and grandpa doing that? He laughed at the thought of it, but I wanted him to know that a healthy respectful marriage doesn’t involve hair pulling. Arguments, sure, but nothing like what he was witnessing.
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Post by chaosisapony on Feb 12, 2020 3:11:51 GMT
When my parents split up my mom mentioned it to my teacher at the time in case I should start to have problems. My teacher notified the school counselor (do they even have those anymore?) and I went to "counseling" a couple of times. I was a close mouthed kid and didn't want to open up. So basically I played games for an hour a day on counseling days. Once my dad got wind that I was seeing the school counselor he flipped out and made sure that the school counselor never saw me again.
Looking back, it would have been incredibly beneficial for me to stay there. Eventually I would have trusted the counselor and hopefully gotten the help I didn't realize I needed. So moral of the story, if you can't afford private therapy or your insurance doesn't provide it reach out to the school to see what resources may be available.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 12, 2020 4:58:57 GMT
I have taught kids who are very well adjusted after a divorce. How the parents handle it is really important. I loved it when both sets of parents came to the parent teacher conference. I really loved it when I would say something positive about the kiddo and one parent would give credit to the other parent for the kid being good at X. I don't think many of my previous students had counseling outside of the school for a divorce.
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Post by mallie on Feb 12, 2020 12:57:35 GMT
I also think that often parents who behave badly and who willfully ignore their child's distress, probably did it long before divorce happened. Yes, of course, there are divorces that come out of the blue in a "happy" home, but most often there is a lot of sturm und drang that upsets kids long before papers are signed.
Back in the day in NY state when my parents got divorced, it was a legal requirement for the partners to have separate therapy and quite a bit of it focused on the kids. I do not know who paid for it, but I can tell you that it was worthwhile. It fascinated me that only after therapy did either of my parents ever ask about the impact of their behavior on the kids. Unfortunately, it was too late as we were all adults by then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 13:34:05 GMT
I also think that often parents who behave badly and who willfully ignore their child's distress, probably did it long before divorce happened. Yes, of course, there are divorces that come out of the blue in a "happy" home, but most often there is a lot of sturm und drang that upsets kids long before papers are signed. Back in the day in NY state when my parents got divorced, it was a legal requirement for the partners to have separate therapy and quite a bit of it focused on the kids. I do not know who paid for it, but I can tell you that it was worthwhile. It fascinated me that only after therapy did either of my parents ever ask about the impact of their behavior on the kids. Unfortunately, it was too late as we were all adults by then. Yeah, that. I hope and work for the day when people get emotional intelligence teaching and massive counseling at school, if they're not getting it at home (which a great many are NOT). So that they know themselves and know what life and marriage are about. Rather than buying into the bs the culture sells them about marriage and happily ever after. I think it's starting. Lots of schools are investing in SEL, but, like all large societal problems, it will take a long time for the work to bear fruit. And you know how good Americans are at long-term planning and delayed gratification </sarc>
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Post by christine58 on Feb 12, 2020 13:46:20 GMT
I agree that therapy for children can be extremely beneficial, even necessary, but if one doesn’t have health insurance that covers it, it isn’t likely to happen. ALWAYS check with your child's school. Many still have counselors/ social workers. Even just telling the teacher helps. A LOT.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 12, 2020 13:52:44 GMT
When my parents divorced I was 25 years old. And this was the thing that drove me to therapy for the first time. I remembered how valuable that experience was to me and when I divorced my ex I put my children in therapy as well. I think therapy is a very valuable tool anytime you are going through something difficult. My children have mental illness and they've been in and out of therapy several times. I'm glad they feel comfortable having that outlet.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 12, 2020 15:37:15 GMT
Offer therapy to any child going through family separation and/or divorce. Even if everything seems fine on the surface and coparenting works well. It's still the loss of an ideal, a major adjustment in daily life, likely being hustled back and forth between two homes, lingering questions about the nature of love and its possibly not unconditional status, etc. It's tough. Therapy would also lay down some important foundations for any future problems that could arise due to coparenting, remarrying of either parent and so on. These are important tools not just to deal with the present heartache.
The only therapy I got was a mother who argued with the school that I needed a male teacher as I wouldn't be seeing my father outside of school holidays (in the end, he never showed up again). I got three successive male teachers over three grades. Undoubtedly, this saved me to quite an extent. I realise now, as an adult, how much of a difference this has made in my life. Therapy back then would have been greatly beneficial too. There was no money for it, alas.
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Post by Anita on Feb 12, 2020 16:41:22 GMT
My parents divorced when I was a teenager. It was ugly. Really ugly. Therapy just wasn't an option financially, though. I probably could have used it. They definitely could have used it. I'm still pissed about some of the childish, petty shit they dragged me through. I did receive some therapy later after my marriage, but it honestly wasn't that helpful. So even therapy isn't always of value.
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Post by twinks on Feb 12, 2020 16:47:28 GMT
Many here know my divorce story. I left an abusive marriage when my DD was 3 months old. Yes, I was in therapy. My therapist was great. The divorce was final 3 years later and I had complete support from everyone.
Around the time my DD was 7-8 years old, she was having issues with her father. I never told her anything about why we were divorced. I had determined at the time of our divorce that I would not be the one to tell her. Her father was getting remarried. I realized that all the changes in her father's life was affecting her - especially when he told major untruths of why we were divorced. I got her into counselling. It was beneficial for her. The counsellor knew why we were divorced and told my DD about a year into counselling. So glad that someone else told her. Then when my DD was 18 years old her father sent me a legal document that he had "fulfilled his duty as a father." His personal reasons, but, it upset my DD even though he had not paid child support or had visited her since she was 10 years old. Back into counselling she went. My DD is okay with not having a father in her life. She just makes adjustments. Whenever she has needed a father figure, she has chosen my brother or a dear friend, both are involved in her life.
I guess I am saying that children need counselling at different times of their lives.
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Post by fotos4u2 on Feb 12, 2020 16:53:54 GMT
We tried to do therapy with our youngest (who was in 1st grade at the time) and she would have none of it. It ended after we started having to drag her from the car kicking and screaming that she didn't want to go. Thankfully the elementary school the younger two attended had a counseling group for kids going through tough times. That helped her see she wasn't alone. Of course, the other thing that helped was not long after the EX broke up with his gold-digging girlfriend whose son was bullying the youngest. Almost 12 years later and all three of the kids are all glad that we divorced and are fairly well-adjusted.
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Post by ladytrisha on Feb 12, 2020 17:32:03 GMT
Totally 100% agree in counseling AND not trashing the other parent. My ex-SIL was told by her son's GF to stop bashing her ex (his dad). That brought her up short and as far as we know the venting in front of the kids stopped. Kids discover their parents' shortcomings on their own - they don't need a parent stoking a raging fire to get the message.
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Post by needmysanity on Feb 12, 2020 18:40:52 GMT
The agency I used to work for offered therapist led co-parenting classes. Most of the time they were court ordered because the parents couldn't get a long. Some families did them because they knew they needed the extra help. I always loved hearing the success stories of these classes. They really did work and made a huge difference for the kiddos.
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Post by teddyw on Feb 12, 2020 18:44:55 GMT
There also seems to be a shortage of therapists. My friend’s dd is in a PhD program. She waited 3 years to get in and they take 10 people/year. This is at a huge state university.
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Post by Judy26 on Feb 12, 2020 19:17:35 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly. (Why is this marked Political?)
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Post by chlerbie on Feb 12, 2020 19:52:08 GMT
My parents separated when I was a toddler and divorced by the time I was two, so I don't remember my father living with us at all. However, there was SO much going on that therapy would have been ideal for me--in fact, I often thought about wanting it, but it just wasn't something people did much of then and while I mentioned it to my mother, I think she took it personally--that she wasn't being a good enough mother if I needed some outside help, so I never pushed her on it.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Feb 13, 2020 0:23:27 GMT
I agree that therapy for children can be extremely beneficial, even necessary, but if one doesn’t have health insurance that covers it, it isn’t likely to happen. ALWAYS check with your child's school. Many still have counselors/ social workers. Even just telling the teacher helps. A LOT. We are NOT substitutes for real therapy nor would it be ethical to do real therapy with a child.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 13, 2020 0:43:59 GMT
Seriously, who flagged this thread as political, and WHY? Is is because elaine said "I hope that you vote in favor of affordable comprehensive healthcare for all." ? ? ? I really wish the option of any random person flagging threads was not available.
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Post by christine58 on Feb 13, 2020 1:11:14 GMT
We are NOT substitutes for real therapy nor would it be ethical to do real therapy with a child. Well I know some social workers that are and do therapy. They are HIGHLY trained. Might not be the same where you are but here in NYS, we have MSW's who are LICENSED to do therapy so don't be so hasty in your comments. I worked with severely emotionally disturbed kids and they saw our MSW on a weekly, if not more frequent, basis.
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