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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Feb 23, 2020 15:10:53 GMT
I don't mind addressing an envelope. Finding people's addresses is hard. If they managed to find my address to send me an invitation, then it won't be a problem for them to take a few seconds to write that same address again.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 23, 2020 15:14:10 GMT
I am now waiting for the hand slappers to come in and tell us they give gifts because they want to, not because they’re expecting a thank you, and that we’re selfish biddies for expecting an acknowledgment. No handslap from me. Gifts are never to be expected, however, thanks for a gift are alway expected. That's just bare basic civility. I also believe that you don't get to decide if gifts are wrapped or not...
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Post by lucyg on Feb 23, 2020 15:24:46 GMT
I don't mind addressing an envelope. Finding people's addresses is hard. If they managed to find my address to send me an invitation, then it won't be a problem for them to take a few seconds to write that same address again. Often, the invitation is an evite and they may not have the home address. But you know what? It’s okay to ask for it. Either send an email after you RSVP requesting it, or collect them at the party (I would have no objection to writing it on a list, which is not at all the same thing as filling out your own envelope), or just email a decent thank you message after the event. It’s the attitude that it’s my responsibility to make their life easier, and to be a good sport about it no matter what, that annoys the snot out of me. ETA I realize an email thank you isn’t standard, but I don’t mind about that. Just remembering to say thanks is a nice thing.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 23, 2020 15:26:56 GMT
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 23, 2020 15:27:52 GMT
Regarding the rules of etiquette. They developed for a very important reason. For anyone who has ever wondered who is invited in an invitation, what to wear, how early to arrive, how long to stay, gift required or not. Etiquette answers those questions. It also helps to prevent hurt feelings, like appreciation and acknowledgement that a gift was received and not lost in the mail; as well as not making you look like a money grubbing gift requester for your own wedding, birth of baby, birthday, anniversary, etc. People don't follow social norms/cues for these events look indifferent to others feelings or at worst like entitled assholes.
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Post by YooHoot on Feb 23, 2020 15:32:40 GMT
I went to two weddings over the summer, no thank you cards. I just assume it’s done differently now. Honestly, I’m glad to see some customs go away...change is good. Keeps things from feeling routine. May not be how I was raised to do something, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 23, 2020 15:37:32 GMT
I would appreciate no wrapping if it shortened up the party - eat, drink, socialize, leave - but it sounds like this one wasn't shortened up at all by not waiting for the unwrapping. The bridesmaids aren't party planners, though, so I'm always thinking, well- they do the best they know how. I usually make an appearance and an excuse to leave after an hour.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 23, 2020 15:40:47 GMT
I don't mind addressing an envelope. Finding people's addresses is hard. If they managed to find my address to send me an invitation, then it won't be a problem for them to take a few seconds to write that same address again. Exactly this. I think the five minute trade off of my time and effort to write the note is just a tiny compensation for the time and effort it took for the giver to go shop and wrap the gift, not to mention pay for it so I didn’t have to.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Feb 23, 2020 15:42:44 GMT
Either send an email after you RSVP requesting it, or collect them at the party (I would have no objection to writing it on a list, which is not at all the same thing as filling out your own envelope), or just email a decent thank you message after the event. While it isn't my favorite, I would be happy to get an email thank you. That would be better a better response than what I get from many brides or moms-to-be these days. Heck, I've even had thank you for a wedding gift through Facebook messenger. At least it was an acknowledgement that that the gift was received. What I don't like is the growing attitude that gifts are owed in the situations, with the bride/mom calling all the shots on what can/cannot be given and in what manner. Yet thank you notes/messages are not necessary.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 23, 2020 15:53:35 GMT
I went to a shower for one of DH's relatives. Gift unacknowledged. We went together to their wedding, gift unacknowledged. Also, the bride was going around the reception from table to table and deliberately skipped ours. A year goes by, I am invited to their baby shower. Gift unacknowledged. They had another baby, I told DH I was done going to showers. He sent an expensive gift directly to their home. Gift unacknowledged. If it were my choice, the gifting would have stopped long ago. we did the same for a friend's daughter. No thank you not for shower or weeding gift. Did not attend nor give a gift for the 2nd child's baby shower
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 23, 2020 15:57:09 GMT
Either send an email after you RSVP requesting it, or collect them at the party (I would have no objection to writing it on a list, which is not at all the same thing as filling out your own envelope), or just email a decent thank you message after the event. While it isn't my favorite, I would be happy to get an email thank you. That would be better a better response than what I get from many brides or moms-to-be these days. Heck, I've even had thank you for a wedding gift through Facebook messenger. At least it was an acknowledgement that that the gift was received. What I don't like is the growing attitude that gifts are owed in the situations, with the bride/mom calling all the shots on what can/cannot be given and in what manner. Yet thank you notes/messages are not necessary. especially when the gift was cash, in a card, in a card box. I would like to know they actually got it
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 23, 2020 16:02:36 GMT
So I’m confused - did the bride to be in the OP even know who gave her what or was it all handled by the bridesmaids? I would not be happy if I had to address my own thank you letter. And if the invite came via email then the thank you note can too.
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Post by roundtwo on Feb 23, 2020 16:07:29 GMT
just an opinion from a fellow old biddie who notices that the younger folks really don't give a shit about our old ass traditions! And good for them! From what I see though, the parts of the traditions they are happily giving up are the parts that take an effort on their behalf. They want the attention, they want the party, they want the gifts, but they don't want to take the time out of their busy lives to thank others for taking time out of their busy lives to do things for them. I'm with you 100 percent on this. It's a two way street but way too often it seems like it's just their way.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 23, 2020 16:42:24 GMT
I did forget that the hand slappers might be people I like, though. Haha! Regarding the rules of etiquette. They developed for a very important reason. Excellent point. I was taught that very core of good manners is a system to put everyone at ease. It prescribes certain behavior so one knows what is expected of them. Part of that was the lesson that one never calls someone else out publicly for poor manners. I'm pretty sure this discussion falls outside of THAT though -- reminds me of the old song on Hee-Haw that went, "You'll never hear one of us repeating gossip, so be sure to listen close the first time!"
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 23, 2020 16:51:40 GMT
I'm just here to say that showers are dumb, highly gendered events and we should stop doing them altogether! Everyone wins! And also gender reveal parties are trash! Enjoy your Sunday!
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 23, 2020 16:51:50 GMT
I can see the no wrapping for environmental reasons and then a nice set up display, but someone else opening cards/gifts not acknowledged would bother me. I don’t mind addressing cards for new parents, but no excuse for wedding presents. And don’t get me started on why the pressure for thank you notes seems to fall on brides and not grooms though...
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Post by christine58 on Feb 23, 2020 17:14:05 GMT
So I’m confused - did the bride to be in the OP even know who gave her what or was it all handled by the bridesmaids? I would not be happy if I had to address my own thank you letter. And if the invite came via email then the thank you note can too. I am sure once she got them all home....or maybe there was a list made??
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Post by christine58 on Feb 23, 2020 17:15:52 GMT
brides and not grooms though... My nephew wrote along with his bride, on every thank you. And he just did the same with baby shower gifts
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Post by mlana on Feb 23, 2020 17:46:32 GMT
My SIL invited me to co-host a baby shower for her stepson and DIL a few years ago. I knew she asked because she and the Mom-to-be did not have a good relationship and she was hoping my involvement would smooth things over.
We spent a lot of time on the shower details - decorations, invites, food, favors, etc. We each put in about $300 plus whatever we spent on the gifts/
The MTB had 3 showers before ours, so she decided a week before to ask what we were doing and then informed us we couldn’t do any of it as what hadn’t been done already was going to be done in a future shower. Um, no. When we told her no, she lost her shit! If we couldn’t follow her SIMPLE requests, we could just cancel it...
When I asked for the emails of anyone who had accepted via email to her, she asked why I needed them. I told her it was only polite to let everyone know the shower was cancelled...Again, she lost her shit. I laughed at her, in her face, and told her to grow the hell up and learn some manners.
I live some distance away, so she couldn’t really pitch many fits with me as I just turned off FaceTime. My poor SIL caught hell though. This chick would storm over to SIL’s house, rant and rave, and then take herself to the ER because she was sure SIL had caused her BP to go crazy.
We did do the shower, but we did it our way. MTB came and was very gracious - right up until she had her aunt stand up and tell her that she (the aunt) didn’t want MTB to take time to send Thank-you cards, she just wanted MTB to spent the extra time with her new baby - only, baby wasn’t due for another 8 weeks... Of course, all of her family immediately chide in that they didn’t want thank-your either. My family just sat quietly; we knew a setup when we saw one. Turned out, she’d had a family member do this at every one of her showers.
As you can imagine, neither SIL or I are close with this chick. For months after the shower she wouldn’t speak to SIL, even when she went to her house for dinner. Six months after the baby was born, SIL forced the issue at a family event. The new mother told her that SIL ha made it obvious how little she cared for MTB or the baby she was carrying when she cheated out on the shower. SIL told her to get her ass out of her house and not come back unless her husband, SIL’s stepson, was with her. To my surprise, my brother actually backed SIL up and told his DIL she could mind her manners or stay home.
LOL so the thank notes were not sent for any of the showers, 6 in total. Some of the guests went to multiple showers, which is how we found out someone asked for no thank you s at each shower.
Marcy
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Feb 23, 2020 18:03:54 GMT
mlana That's just manipulative. We don't have showers in the UK. Or rather, they may be making their way over to us, but they weren't around when I was that age. How does someone get 6 showers for the same baby though? Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick but I thought a shower was to help new parents out with the expense of a newborn, not a gratuitous "gimme gimme gimme" exercise?
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 23, 2020 18:05:40 GMT
just an opinion from a fellow old biddie who notices that the younger folks really don't give a shit about our old ass traditions! And good for them! From what I see though, the parts of the traditions they are happily giving up are the parts that take an effort on their behalf. They want the attention, they want the party, they want the gifts, but they don't want to take the time out of their busy lives to thank others for taking time out of their busy lives to do things for them. Yes! I feel like I've seen all the traditions broken at this point-couples not opening gifts at showers, being told not to wrap my shower gift, addressing my own thank you note, not receiving a thank you note at all, being asked to give money for honeymoon experiences, etc. However, what I have yet to see is a wedding invite asking me not to bring a gift. (I have heard other people say they have received that type of invitation, but I sure haven't!)
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Post by lucyg on Feb 23, 2020 18:20:48 GMT
mlana That's just manipulative. We don't have showers in the UK. Or rather, they may be making their way over to us, but they weren't around when I was that age. How does someone get 6 showers for the same baby though? Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick but I thought a shower was to help new parents out with the expense of a newborn, not a gratuitous "gimme gimme gimme" exercise? I think it’s unusual to have so many showers, especially with the same people being invited to more than one. I had three baby showers, which felt like a lot (almost 40 years ago now). But one was given by a family friend for my mom’s friends, my grandmother, and a few old friends of mine. Another was given by a girlfriend for the crowd we hung out with at the time. Neither of those was very large by today’s standards, maybe about a dozen people each. The last one was just a big family dinner my MIL gave for DH’s huge extended family. I wasn’t working at the time, but I think often there’s a workplace shower, too. DH or I wrote a thank you note for every one of those shower gifts. Even if it was like pulling teeth to get extended family addresses out of MIL. She had to make some calls. Also, mlana , you win. I have a horrific baby shower story from when my sister and I stupidly volunteered to give one for our cousin’s wife (pretty sure I’ve shared it here before). But yours may be worse. hee
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 23, 2020 18:32:08 GMT
brides and not grooms though... My nephew wrote along with his bride, on every thank you. And he just did the same with baby shower gifts That boy was raised right.
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Post by padresfan619 on Feb 23, 2020 18:32:08 GMT
I’m totally fine with an unwrapped shower and even not really getting tons of attention over my gift at the event. It would be nice to have some kind of acknowledgement be it in a thank you card or email or even text.
I give gifts with the intention of the recipient enjoying the gift, not for other people to ooh and ahh over me for a few seconds before moving on to the next thing.
I also am a HUGE fan of anything that leads to shorter bridal and baby showers. I love to be included but I’ve also got a million other things to do in my limited weekend.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 23, 2020 18:32:53 GMT
My SIL invited me to co-host a baby shower for her stepson and DIL a few years ago. I knew she asked because she and the Mom-to-be did not have a good relationship and she was hoping my involvement would smooth things over. We spent a lot of time on the shower details - decorations, invites, food, favors, etc. We each put in about $300 plus whatever we spent on the gifts/ The MTB had 3 showers before ours, so she decided a week before to ask what we were doing and then informed us we couldn’t do any of it as what hadn’t been done already was going to be done in a future shower. Um, no. When we told her no, she lost her shit! If we couldn’t follow her SIMPLE requests, we could just cancel it... When I asked for the emails of anyone who had accepted via email to her, she asked why I needed them. I told her it was only polite to let everyone know the shower was cancelled...Again, she lost her shit. I laughed at her, in her face, and told her to grow the hell up and learn some manners. I live some distance away, so she couldn’t really pitch many fits with me as I just turned off FaceTime. My poor SIL caught hell though. This chick would storm over to SIL’s house, rant and rave, and then take herself to the ER because she was sure SIL had caused her BP to go crazy. We did do the shower, but we did it our way. MTB came and was very gracious - right up until she had her aunt stand up and tell her that she (the aunt) didn’t want MTB to take time to send Thank-you cards, she just wanted MTB to spent the extra time with her new baby - only, baby wasn’t due for another 8 weeks... Of course, all of her family immediately chide in that they didn’t want thank-your either. My family just sat quietly; we knew a setup when we saw one. Turned out, she’d had a family member do this at every one of her showers. As you can imagine, neither SIL or I are close with this chick. For months after the shower she wouldn’t speak to SIL, even when she went to her house for dinner. Six months after the baby was born, SIL forced the issue at a family event. The new mother told her that SIL ha made it obvious how little she cared for MTB or the baby she was carrying when she cheated out on the shower. SIL told her to get her ass out of her house and not come back unless her husband, SIL’s stepson, was with her. To my surprise, my brother actually backed SIL up and told his DIL she could mind her manners or stay home. LOL so the thank notes were not sent for any of the showers, 6 in total. Some of the guests went to multiple showers, which is how we found out someone asked for no thank you s at each shower. Marcy Go Marcy mlana! You are my hero. Way to call her bluff! I agree that social conventions are there so that people know what to do and don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. It’s ok to change the way things are done, but saying thank you is never wrong. I’m fine with a verbal thank you then and there, handwritten, email, text... just say thank you.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 23, 2020 18:42:41 GMT
I agree, mlana for the win. If you want to actually consider that horror story a win, LOL.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 23, 2020 18:57:17 GMT
I don't mind addressing an envelope. Finding people's addresses is hard. If they managed to find my address to send me an invitation, then it won't be a problem for them to take a few seconds to write that same address again. BUT.... with showers, usually the person throwing the party is not the honoree. That means that the addresses need to make it from the party thrower to the honoree. Sometimes that doesn't happen. I never mind addressing my own envelope. Makes it a bit easier on the honoree when doing thank you cards.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 23, 2020 19:10:10 GMT
If they managed to find my address to send me an invitation, then it won't be a problem for them to take a few seconds to write that same address again. BUT.... with showers, usually the person throwing the party is not the honoree. That means that the addresses need to make it from the party thrower to the honoree. Sometimes that doesn't happen. I never mind addressing my own envelope. Makes it a bit easier on the honoree when doing thank you cards. True. But in the case of the shower I was just invited to, the mom to be was asked who she wanted invited to the shower, since two other showers had already been planned for other segments of the family (her parents are divorced and the varying factions don’t exactly get along). So the list came directly from MTB. How else does the host get the addresses to invite people, especially if it’s a friend hosting and not a family member? The host didn’t have a clue who some of the people on the list even were since MTB also included several friends that hadn’t been invited to either of the other showers.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 23, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
I'm with you.
And having guests address their own thank you notes is just super rude and tacky.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 23, 2020 19:23:30 GMT
BUT.... with showers, usually the person throwing the party is not the honoree. That means that the addresses need to make it from the party thrower to the honoree. Sometimes that doesn't happen. I never mind addressing my own envelope. Makes it a bit easier on the honoree when doing thank you cards. True. But in the case of the shower I was just invited to, the mom to be was asked who she wanted invited to the shower, since two other showers had already been planned for other segments of the family (her parents are divorced and the varying factions don’t exactly get along). So the list came directly from MTB. How else does the host get the addresses to invite people, especially if it’s a friend hosting and not a family member? The host didn’t have a clue who some of the people on the list even were since MTB also included several friends that hadn’t been invited to either of the other showers. Very valid point. I was thinking more in terms of a new mom, not so much bridal shower.
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