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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2020 16:39:27 GMT
I knew sleepingbooty was tempting fate w/mixing Becky Higgins and TST. Bad, booty. Bad, bad, booty.    Bad, bad booty.  Dang, that sounds like a really bad country music song. How do you and @zingermack feel about some Romanian (I kid you not) pop? And look, it features Tina Aszmus!  #infinitescrapbookloop |
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Post by jennyap on Mar 4, 2020 16:53:27 GMT
Well now I feel bad. I do believe it was elaynef. She is a very kind, sweet RefuPea. I do believe her faith is very important to her. I’m truly sorry she found that thread (and by default, this message board as a whole), so disturbing an affront to her faith that she felt the need to leave. The NSBR is full of almost daily insults about one group or another. If anything, rather than change my point of view, those posts do the opposite. I have become more secure and stronger in my beliefs. There are many people on this board that are just plain wrong. They can scream and yell and stomp their little feet all they want but they are wrong. I just choose not to engage in conversation with them. Frankly, there is no benefit from engaging. I only wish elaynef ( if that is who our mystery poster is) would have done the same. sleepingbooty Fascinating information that you shared. Thank you. That account didn’t actually leave leave though. That thread was posted 3/2/2020 and now that account just posted early this morning on the enamel dots thread. The account seems to be renamed ‘ @deleted ‘ ? Which I don’t get because it’s not blue or clickable but nevertheless that account posted today. It just seems like pot stirring drama in that case Two different accounts. Everyone who deletes their account shows up as Deleted now, so once they're gone you can't tell which is which. Happened with lainey over on NSBR too. |
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Post by hop2 on Mar 4, 2020 16:56:34 GMT
That account didn’t actually leave leave though. That thread was posted 3/2/2020 and now that account just posted early this morning on the enamel dots thread. The account seems to be renamed ‘ @deleted ‘ ? Which I don’t get because it’s not blue or clickable but nevertheless that account posted today. It just seems like pot stirring drama in that case Two different accounts. Everyone who deletes their account shows up as Deleted now, so once they're gone you can't tell which is which. Happened with lainey over on NSBR too. oh ok Thank you So then someone also left today? Or deleted accounts can still post? |
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 4, 2020 17:04:49 GMT
Wow you really okay the long game Getting real close to 6,666 messages on the board. 🤘 I have 666 in both of my phone numbers. Have to say I am a Christian AND those numbers have never hurt me. I have had people tell me that they would change their number if it was them. I think you'll be good! |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2020 17:15:57 GMT
So then someone also left today? Or deleted accounts can still post? Looks to me like another person left today. Deleted accounts are gone as far as I know. Not sure if there is recovery period but they can't post as 'Deleted'. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2020 17:32:56 GMT
sleepingbooty , I commend you on your efforts to try and explain yourself. The problem is, you shouldn't have to. If their faith has them so well trained that anything that might challenge their beliefs means they automatically hightail it out of there or profess it as bad without any real knowledge of it instead of opening their world to new horizons and drawing their own conclusions, then there is no need for empathy or regret (even if that regret is only in how you said what you said, not in you saying it). That's how religions keep their hold on people and no way am I going to pander to people who expect others to cater to their bubble because that's the type of environment that is promoting so much hatred in the world. Disinformation spread inside the organization saying all of these things are bad, but don't you dare go take a look and have a think for yourself. It's dangerous and shouldn't be catered to.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 4, 2020 17:33:22 GMT
Well now I feel bad. I do believe it was elaynef. She is a very kind, sweet RefuPea. I do believe her faith is very important to her. I’m truly sorry she found that thread (and by default, this message board as a whole), so disturbing an affront to her faith that she felt the need to leave. The NSBR is full of almost daily insults about one group or another. If anything, rather than change my point of view, those posts do the opposite. I have become more secure and stronger in my beliefs. There are many people on this board that are just plain wrong. They can scream and yell and stomp their little feet all they want but they are wrong. I just choose not to engage in conversation with them. Frankly, there is no benefit from engaging. I only wish elaynef ( if that is who our mystery poster is) would have done the same. sleepingbooty Fascinating information that you shared. Thank you. I’m sorry she left. I also remember her as a sweet and kind pea. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2020 17:52:03 GMT
sleepingbooty , I commend you on your efforts to try and explain yourself. The problem is, you shouldn't have to. If their faith has them so well trained that anything that might challenge their beliefs means they automatically hightail it out of there or profess it as bad without any real knowledge of it instead of opening their world to new horizons and drawing their own conclusions, then there is no need for empathy or regret (even if that regret is only in how you said what you said, not in you saying it). That's how religions keep their hold on people and no way am I going to pander to people who expect others to cater to their bubble because that's the type of environment that is promoting so much hatred in the world. Disinformation spread inside the organization saying all of these things are bad, but don't you dare go take a look and have a think for yourself. It's dangerous and shouldn't be catered to. Thanks for your message. I stand fully by what you're saying and share this view. Just to be clear, however, I don't regret how I said anything (I mean, it was the most blanket who/what/when/where statement about the talk featuring Lucien Greaves, I don't see how I could've put it more plainly) or what I said. I merely clarified that I was actually being really serious when I posted that since someone brought up that I might have said it "as a joke." Nope, I wasn't joking when I shared the event. And i'm definitely not joking when it comes to the importance of protecting secularism as a basis for a healthy society where all are free to their own personal beliefs. I did want to make sure that the OPea knew they were welcome to (re?)join the discussion should they ever return. They likely won't but if they do, the door's open. Sometimes, people learn and grow. Sure, cynical me is already shouting back at myself: "Ok optimist" but I did want it said. Just in case. Also thinking of the many lurkers around here. ETA: I will say that if the OP is the one we're thinking of, her sweet and kind nature is limited. She deleted her profile after creating a thread in which the majority of her message were my words attached to my username, not signing her words or leaving any clues about her identity. It was not a cool thing to do. I'll gladly discuss the topic with said former Pea should they ever want, publicly or via private messages, but the whole public vilifying attitude reeks a bit of a smear campaign and I'm not down with that. You either engage and attach yourself to a discussion in which you directly bring up a fellow board member or you simply remain disengaged. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2020 18:04:08 GMT
sleepingbooty , I commend you on your efforts to try and explain yourself. The problem is, you shouldn't have to. If their faith has them so well trained that anything that might challenge their beliefs means they automatically hightail it out of there or profess it as bad without any real knowledge of it instead of opening their world to new horizons and drawing their own conclusions, then there is no need for empathy or regret (even if that regret is only in how you said what you said, not in you saying it). That's how religions keep their hold on people and no way am I going to pander to people who expect others to cater to their bubble because that's the type of environment that is promoting so much hatred in the world. Disinformation spread inside the organization saying all of these things are bad, but don't you dare go take a look and have a think for yourself. It's dangerous and shouldn't be catered to. Thanks for your message. I stand fully by what you're saying and share this view. Just to be clear, however, I don't regret how I said anything (I mean, it was the most blanket who/what/when/where statement about the talk featuring Lucien Greaves, I don't see how I could've put it more plainly) or what I said. I merely clarified that I was actually being really serious when I posted that since someone brought up that I might have said it "as a joke." Nope, I wasn't joking when I shared the event. And i'm definitely not joking when it comes to the importance of protecting secularism as a basis for a healthy society where all are free to their own personal beliefs. I did want to make sure that the OPea knew they were welcome to (re?)join the discussion should they ever return. They likely won't but if they do, the door's open. Sometimes, people learn and grow. Sure, cynical me is already shouting back at myself: "Ok optimist" but I did want it said. Just in case. Also thinking of the many lurkers around here. Not everything in that was geared to specifically you, but I mean this thread is kind of about your post and your follow up was why I tagged you. I think overall it was less of a specific 'you' and more of a general 'you' but using your comments as an example? Idk, maybe that part was unclear, but the rest of what I had to say was quite clear. I hope. Who knows with me.
A lot of people speculating about who it was saying how sweet she was and how important her faith is got to me a bit. If 'deleted' is narrow minded enough to leave over one word being mentioned, I just don't think generally being a nice person makes up for the harm that people like that can cause both themselves and others by choosing to remain ignorant, sheltered and uninformed. You can hold firm to your beliefs while still welcoming the opinions of dissenters into your head. It's almost like they're trained to not listen as if maybe by chance actually listening to other people might actually change their minds. We can't have that, noooooo. Personal growth is such a terrible thing.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2020 18:07:41 GMT
A lot of people speculating about who it was saying how sweet she was and how important her faith is got to me a bit. If 'deleted' is narrow minded enough to leave over one word being mentioned, I just don't think generally being a nice person makes up for the harm that people like that can cause both themselves and others by choosing to remain ignorant, sheltered and uninformed. Great minds, etc. I amended my previous reply with an ETA just at the same time as you posted your new reply! I commented on the same thing about the sweet and kind nature of hers others bringing up. Yah, that kindness was limited. The gesture of reposting someone else while deleting their own profile was uncool. This is not an ok attitude. Totally agree.  |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2020 18:22:23 GMT
A lot of people speculating about who it was saying how sweet she was and how important her faith is got to me a bit. If 'deleted' is narrow minded enough to leave over one word being mentioned, I just don't think generally being a nice person makes up for the harm that people like that can cause both themselves and others by choosing to remain ignorant, sheltered and uninformed. Great minds, etc. I amended my previous reply with an ETA just at the same time as you posted your new reply! I commented on the same thing about the sweet and kind nature of hers others bringing up. Yah, that kindness was limited. The gesture of reposting someone else while deleting their own profile was uncool. This is not an ok attitude. Totally agree. This is the mindset that drives me nuts. No, people who dedicate themselves to religion are not superior or more special than those of us who do not. A 'friend' (she's more of an acquaintance these days) got pulled over and posted on FB about them doing 80+ because they were late for church and how that excuse persuaded the police to not give them a ticket. I couldn't fathom exactly why the fact they were heading to church was a substantive reason for not getting a ticket. To everyone else it is apparently obvious.
Some of the ugliest and cruelest people I know are deeply religious, so no...just because you're nice and your faith is important to you, it doesn't mean that you're automatically this amazing and admirable person. I'm so sick and tired of people equating religious belief with the quality of someone's character. It's absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 19:28:53 GMT
Since I was the poster that pondered if the Lucien Greaves post was a joke? (note the question mark, as I wasn't certain and hadn't cared enough to find out), thanks for clarifying that it wasn't. I'll go on record and say I wish it was, but I feel no differently for anyone promoting (and what you shared felt very much like it was being promoted) an organized religious event of ANY kind here. For the record, I'm agnostic, liberal and found your suggestion crass, particularly to Mormons. I do my very best to respect folk's choices that they make of their own free will while not under undue influence and that are for the betterment and acceptance of all humankind. Do I agree with how @elaynef left? No. But she was respectful when she did and it was her right to do so and I think she offered at least a slight understanding why, in that it conflicted with her religious beliefs. I can accept that. sleepingbooty I think you are insightful, intelligent and I enjoy the majority of your posts here. I don't take issue with the fact that you are outspoken, but I do with the fact that what you are promoting and defending here doesn't feel any different that someone proselytizing any other religion and it isn't sitting well with me. You left a genuine and open invitation for @elaynef to come back and I hope she does. Unintended consequences happen and I think there are just two sides to this and that's okay, IMO. |
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 4, 2020 19:40:42 GMT
Am I the only one incredibly confused by this? (but doesn't care enough to dig deeper?  ) I'm on the confused, what happened, what did I miss??? bench too.   Can someone please post a brief synopsis, cliff notes version. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2020 19:55:08 GMT
Since I was the poster that pondered if the Lucien Greaves post was a joke? (note the question mark, as I wasn't certain and hadn't cared enough to find out), thanks for clarifying that it wasn't. I'll go on record and say I wish it was, but I feel no differently for anyone promoting (and what you shared felt very much like it was being promoted) an organized religious event of ANY kind here. For the record, I'm agnostic, liberal and found your suggestion crass, particularly to Mormons. I do my very best to respect folk's choices that they make of their own free will while not under undue influence and that are for the betterment and acceptance of all humankind. Do I agree with how @elaynef left? No. But she was respectful when she did and it was her right to do so and I think she offered at least a slight understanding why, in that it conflicted with her religious beliefs. I can accept that. sleepingbooty I think you are insightful, intelligent and I enjoy the majority of your posts here. I don't take issue with the fact that you are outspoken, but I do with the fact that what you are promoting and defending here doesn't feel any different that someone proselytizing any other religion and it isn't sitting well with me. You left a genuine and open invitation for @elaynef to come back and I hope she does. Unintended consequences happen and I think there are just two sides to this and that's okay, IMO. Okay, so I disagree with you. I don't take her recommendations as 'here, come agree with me'...she recommends various resources for topics that people might be interested in learning more about and shares her opinions in the process. There is a significant difference. Does she disagree with the LDS church and share a lot of information that demonstrates why? Sure, but that's not ALL she shares. She's not on here trying to adopt people into a cult, she's promoting educating yourself and shares resources that she finds helpful in doing so. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2020 19:56:02 GMT
sleepingbooty I think you are insightful, intelligent and I enjoy the majority of your posts here. I don't take issue with the fact that you are outspoken, but I do with the fact that what you are promoting and defending here doesn't feel any different that someone proselytizing any other religion and it isn't sitting well with me. The separation of Church and State allows for all religions to exist, that's the core message of the original event I brought up. You are welcome to watch any of the videos I've linked here and in my original message. I find it hard to compare that to one particular religion. I am merely discussing it in this thread because my original message is the reason this discussion was created by someone else and constitutes the main text n the thread creation post. I got dragged into this new discussion without my consent or approval. If that's the case, I take back control and will gladly take the time to properly explain my original intent and the reason why this message was posted on p. 128 of the Becky15 Higgins thread. As you may have noticed, I haven't cited the alleged username of 'Deleted' as I don't want to implicate someone, even an ex-member, by naming them without being certain if it's them. I am being respectful here despite the frankly silly way I was publicly accused of being the reason someone felt they had to leave the board. Long story short: " sleepingbooty is the reason I prayed hard and had to make the decision to leave the board." I felt this accusation was reason enough to take the time to clarify, write out a lengthier reply and put my cited message back in context. You're welcome to disagree, of course. I take no issue with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 2:44:41 GMT
One of the main drivers of TST in setting up their 'church' is so Christians can see how uncomfortable it is to have the Christian religion propped up in shared public spaces (Courtrooms, State Houses, Schools, City Council chambers, etc.) for people who aren't Christian. TST's whole shtick is "If you want your religion in shared public spaces, we want ours there too. And as much as you hate ours, that's how we feel about yours."
I see their lesson still has much to teach those who see no problem with the mixing of religion and government. As the saying goes, sauce for the Ten Commandments monuments goose is sauce for the Satan statue gander.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 5, 2020 9:45:21 GMT
Since I was the poster that pondered if the Lucien Greaves post was a joke? (note the question mark, as I wasn't certain and hadn't cared enough to find out), thanks for clarifying that it wasn't. I'll go on record and say I wish it was, but I feel no differently for anyone promoting (and what you shared felt very much like it was being promoted) an organized religious event of ANY kind here. For the record, I'm agnostic, liberal and found your suggestion crass, particularly to Mormons. I do my very best to respect folk's choices that they make of their own free will while not under undue influence and that are for the betterment and acceptance of all humankind. Do I agree with how @elaynef left? No. But she was respectful when she did and it was her right to do so and I think she offered at least a slight understanding why, in that it conflicted with her religious beliefs. I can accept that. sleepingbooty I think you are insightful, intelligent and I enjoy the majority of your posts here. I don't take issue with the fact that you are outspoken, but I do with the fact that what you are promoting and defending here doesn't feel any different that someone proselytizing any other religion and it isn't sitting well with me. You left a genuine and open invitation for @elaynef to come back and I hope she does. Unintended consequences happen and I think there are just two sides to this and that's okay, IMO. Okay, so I disagree with you. I don't take her recommendations as 'here, come agree with me'...she recommends various resources for topics that people might be interested in learning more about and shares her opinions in the process. There is a significant difference. Does she disagree with the LDS church and share a lot of information that demonstrates why? Sure, but that's not ALL she shares. She's not on here trying to adopt people into a cult, she's promoting educating yourself and shares resources that she finds helpful in doing so. I agree. I take sleepingbooty’s recommendation as similar to someone recommending a good movie or book in this particular situation. It might not be your cup of tea, but it’s not like she’s saying that anyone who doesn’t agree with her is wrong. FWIW, I’m Christian, having chosen to be so as an adult, when I previously was non-religious. I’ve seen both sides of the coin and find it perplexing when individuals can’t make enough room in their minds to accept that people can and should believe other things. |
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Post by msliz on Mar 5, 2020 11:43:21 GMT
I don't take her recommendations as 'here, come agree with me'...she recommends various resources for topics that people might be interested in learning more about and shares her opinions in the process. There is a significant difference. Does she disagree with the LDS church and share a lot of information that demonstrates why? Sure, but that's not ALL she shares. She's not on here trying to adopt people into a cult, she's promoting educating yourself and shares resources that she finds helpful in doing so. I agree. I take sleepingbooty’s recommendation as similar to someone recommending a good movie or book in this particular situation. It might not be your cup of tea, but it’s not like she’s saying that anyone who doesn’t agree with her is wrong. I absolutely agree as well, and wanted to note for the benefit of anyone not familiar with the Becky thread that the topic of religion is one that comes up regularly there because Becky's religion is such a huge part of her life. The same thing happens on occasional Heidi Swapp thread, especially as it relates to LDS youth as that subject is especially important to Heidi. Religion is also discussed when we have had discussions about modern scrapbooking's origins in the LDS community. I'm pointing this out to emphasize that the post the OP found disturbing was relative to the topics discussed regularly on the thread and was not inappropriate in any way. It's sad to me that the OP had the reaction she did and chose to leave the board because of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 12:50:44 GMT
I’m owning the statement that I had hoped it was a joke?, which was then called out more than once and clarified that it absolutely was not, which is why I chose to respond. I’m taking issue with the context that the original post was presented in (on pg 128 of the BH thread) and that it was directly tied to Mormonism, which feels disparaging to me. Previously, I scrolled by and made the call that it wasn’t “my cup of tea” but based on someone else’s reaction, they were apparently deeply offended and I am validating that, and stating that the whole defense of TST in this context feels the like proselytizing to me. It wasn’t like it was put on NSBR as a PSA that may be of interest and/or open for debate.
My preference is to avoid stereotypes and generalizations. And if you can’t glean how I feel about separation of Church and State by stating I’m liberal, that’s on you. I have an atheist kid making a permanent move to Utah (after spending long stretches there already) and it’s disturbing the number of mentions that people make about how she’ll fit in and jokes about being converted to LDS. I’ve called them out on it every single time. She’s a good, interesting and open-minded person who hasn’t felt any less welcome there than anywhere she’s been.
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Post by msliz on Mar 5, 2020 13:32:01 GMT
I’m owning the statement that I had hoped it was a joke?, which was then called out more than once and clarified that it absolutely was not, which is why I chose to respond. I’m taking issue with the context that the original post was presented in (on pg 128 of the BH thread) and that it was directly tied to Mormonism, which feels disparaging to me. Previously, I scrolled by and made the call that it wasn’t “my cup of tea” but based on someone else’s reaction, they were apparently deeply offended and I am validating that, and stating that the whole defense of TST in this context feels the like proselytizing to me. It wasn’t like it was put on NSBR as a PSA that may be of interest and/or open for debate. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can see why you might think that way about the thread. There are certainly times when the LDS church is discussed there, and its culture, policies, and leadership are disparaged. There are a lot of people, including LDS members, who take issue with the church. I don't feel the specific post we're discussing falls into that category, but we have different reads on it and I respect your opinion. Maybe discussing anyone's religion is enough to make you feel a line has been crossed? The nature of the post was to say, here's a speaker I can recommend that might interest some Peas, as the topic he'll be discussing is one we tend to touch on often on the thread. How is that proselytizing? What's there to debate? Again, I have a different read on the post, but I do respect your opinion. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 5, 2020 13:45:22 GMT
I’m owning the statement that I had hoped it was a joke?, which was then called out more than once and clarified that it absolutely was not, which is why I chose to respond. I’m taking issue with the context that the original post was presented in (on pg 128 of the BH thread) and that it was directly tied to Mormonism, which feels disparaging to me. Previously, I scrolled by and made the call that it wasn’t “my cup of tea” but based on someone else’s reaction, they were apparently deeply offended and I am validating that, and stating that the whole defense of TST in this context feels the like proselytizing to me. It wasn’t like it was put on NSBR as a PSA that may be of interest and/or open for debate. My preference is to avoid stereotypes and generalizations. And if you can’t glean how I feel about separation of Church and State by stating I’m liberal, that’s on you. I have an atheist kid making a permanent move to Utah (after spending long stretches there already) and it’s disturbing the number of mentions that people make about how she’ll fit in and jokes about being converted to LDS. I’ve called them out on it every single time. She’s a good, interesting and open-minded person who hasn’t felt any less welcome there than anywhere she’s been. Well, I for one have no problem disparaging a religion like Mormonism. A religion that has no problem trying to “pray the gay away” from people and believes that being gay is a sin is worthy of any and all disparagement in my opinion. That isn’t based on stereotypes or generalizations either. That is part of their teachings. It is one of their core beliefs. Now, if someone had said all Christians are intolerant of LBGTQ people, that would be a generalization. If someone said atheists are Satan worshipers that would be a stereotype. That is not what is happening on that thread. People are being very factual in their explanation of the teachings of the Mormon Church. So, I say go ahead and disparage away on the hatred and misinformation that the Mormon Church teaches. Not only that, but read some of the horror stories of people who have tried to leave the church, or who have left. They are heartbreaking. People are shunned by their family for leaving the church. What kind of religion is that? I am all for separation of church and state, but I am against a religion spewing hatred and intolerance. And that has nothing to do with my political views. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 14:22:13 GMT
I wonder if Becky would love the idea that all her proselytizing on her business IG has brought up deep discussions of the failures of her (and other) religions in the areas of love and respect of others. I hope she appreciates that her frequent posting of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints posts led directly to many responses on this and the original thread. With resources for people to find out truths for themselves on sites like mormonthink.com, mormonleaks.io, www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/. Especially in light of the recent BYU flip-flop on whether gay students can openly express affection (like hand holding) like straight students can, or whether the needs of their god come before the needs of human beings for love and acceptance with other consenting adults. Way to go, Becky! You wanted religion discussed and it's being discussed. Sadly, you don't get to control the discussion or information as did the church in the days of old. PS - This video explains why some members feel scared or even sick when their beliefs are questioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 17:36:32 GMT
sleepingbooty I'm not saying it's worth much, but my .02? I thought your post was great, loved it, made my 15 min break at work 100% better that day. Fear makes people do weird crap.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 5, 2020 17:47:27 GMT
It's been good to come home after a long day and read that my initial message in the BH thread context has been understood by most other Peas. Although it looks like it might have required some familiarity with the BH thread to get it (or understand it more easily, anyway). There are Utah-based ex-Mormons in the thread who have expressed themselves in a skeptical and humanist manner regarding their former Church. I thought the event might be of interest to them.
And in case it needs reminding (although it shouldn't): I'm an atheist humanist. Humanism first and foremost. I have no desire whatsoever to "convert" people over to atheism. As a humanist, I fully support the Satanic Temple and their work and I fully support any fellow humanist, no matter their religion or lack thereof. I'm not even a member of TST as I don't feel it is necessary for me to join in my country (no issues with Church-state separation at the moment).
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 5, 2020 18:07:10 GMT
Am I the only one incredibly confused by this? (but doesn't care enough to dig deeper? ) I'm on the confused, what happened, what did I miss??? bench too. Can someone please post a brief synopsis, cliff notes version. This thread is it, nothing more. It's left me puzzled as well. But in case you didn't read the first two pages: 1. A Pea created this thread to explain their departure quite cryptically and very succinctly: the core of the original thread message is a copy+paste of a message I posted on p. 128 of the Becky Higgins thread with mention of my username. They immediately deleted their profile upon posting the thread. 2. My message was promoting An Evening With Satan, an event at Utah Valley University later this year that features Lucien Greaves, spokesperson and co-founder of the Satanic Temple, as the guest speaker. The mere mention of Satan seems to be what made the Pea feel the need to pray and decide to not only leave the board but to call me out publicly. I promoted the event in the Becky Higgins thread since there are some Utah-based, ex-Mormon regulars in there. When I heard Lucien Greaves would be speaking there on a (non-Satanic) podcast, I thought it would be great idea to share it with those who might be interested in Utah (I'm not American, the regulars in the BH thread are literally the only folk I know living in Utah ). Lucien Greaves speaks regularly and I've never promoted any other of his appearances. Heck, I don't even follow his public appearance calendar or something. It was just a coincidence that a podcast mentioned it and I had this *bright* idea of passing the info along to those who could be interested... 3. Discussion ensues in here. One person seems to think I might have been proselytising for the Satanic Temple (that I'm not even a member of). Others don't seem to think so. Anyhoo, long story short: I posted an event where a very interesting person would be speaking at and it caused a Satanic Panic reaction from one member. I decided to clarify a few things, including on the nature of the Satanic Temple. I didn't do anything wrong or ethically questionable as far as I can tell. I also promoted a great podcast by CBC Radio whose current season investigates the Satanic Panic of the 1980s and 1990s, Uncover. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 21:12:46 GMT
Well that video led me down the rabbit hole and I am not even LDS
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 5, 2020 22:47:08 GMT
My preference is to avoid stereotypes and generalizations. And if you can’t glean how I feel about separation of Church and State by stating I’m liberal, that’s on you. I have an atheist kid making a permanent move to Utah (after spending long stretches there already) and it’s disturbing the number of mentions that people make about how she’ll fit in and jokes about being converted to LDS. I’ve called them out on it every single time. She’s a good, interesting and open-minded person who hasn’t felt any less welcome there than anywhere she’s been. She'll love Utah if she sticks to living in Salt Lake City or the Park City area. The last mayor of Salt Lake was a lesbian and there is a very strong LGBQT community. The farther you get into the burbs and particularly Utah county (home of BYU) is where you feel less included. I hope she finds a place of employment that has a lot of diversity. Utah ranks low in equal pay for women.
It might even help her to reach out to the exmormon community. They can give her a heads up on the weirdness of Utah. It's a gorgeous state; huge and five national parks. Lots of outdoor activities.
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Post by shutterbug2sue on Mar 6, 2020 17:59:09 GMT
There is a post bumped on NSBR originally posted from the "deleted" user - happened to catch my eye.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 20:35:24 GMT
There is a post bumped on NSBR originally posted from the "deleted" user - happened to catch my eye. Which one? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 21:15:06 GMT
There is a post bumped on NSBR originally posted from the "deleted" user - happened to catch my eye. Which one? There are a lot of posts from 'deleted' but they're not all from the same person. I think that one was from 'fred' who deleted their account but now posts under 'freddie'. I think there are at least 3 users in the last few months who've deleted their accounts so all their posts show as 'deleted'. |
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