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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 15, 2021 20:39:07 GMT
I followed the MSP Tonic lawsuit on Pacer too (all documents rather than the summary). Pacer could have charged, given the number of pages I pulled, but they didn’t.
80-90% of civil cases are settled rather than going to trial, so we’ll see. I’m not a big SU fan, but in this case - no pun intended - I hope they prevail. I get concerned about the poor little one-woman business against the big bad guys. While it should be decided on merit, judges and juries are humans with their biases, so fingers crossed.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 15, 2021 20:57:02 GMT
Thanks, CardBoxer , for the correction. I should have run upstairs and looked at my platform. I’ve corrected the summary with strikeout letters instead of just changing it. I also made one other correction. In retrospect, I was probably confusing Hero Arts with Hampton Arts, because the names of those two companies are similar. YEs, Hampton Arts is the other HA name. I purchased a stamping tool from Michaels before MSP shut that down and I believe it is made by Hampton Arts. Its exactly like a Misti only teal.
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Post by kiera on Jul 15, 2021 21:10:20 GMT
I have the Hampton Arts one too, from Michaels. I remember grabbing it while I had a coupon, and then being glad I did so because they were pulled pretty quickly!
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Post by melanieg on Jul 15, 2021 22:24:32 GMT
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Post by joblackford on Jul 16, 2021 0:41:06 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 16, 2021 1:02:47 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. It’s a brilliant tool so I get that everyone wants/uses one. However, if I recall, stinky petunia threatened all the scrap celebs if they used any other tool. That’s why I don’t get them caving to a bully.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 1:06:26 GMT
I watched it unfold from the beginning, and this is my opinion/view as to what happened: Summary:Perfection Tack on the ridiculous (in my opinion) lawsuits strictly for greed (again, my opinion), and I want nothing to do with her or her product. Hence, my efforts to stock up on superior product (my opinion!) before the market is completely destroyed by this desperation. Same. It really chaps me that she got a patent on what Gutenburg invented in the 15th century. Lazy ass patent clerk indeed. She should have her patent rescinded imo. Stampin' Up! is still in it for the long haul, for now. With the decision to move toward trial, rather than give up their own product and beliefs, I'm pulling for them 100%. Same. GO SU!
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 16, 2021 14:51:39 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. I never see any of the big name scrappers use anything other than the MISTI in their videos (that use stamping) to showcase products for the various companies, so it is likely that they have a legal agreement to use only that stamp platform. I also can’t see them risking making a stamping mistake with the cameras rolling, so they would probably use a stamp platform.
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Post by azcrafty on Jul 16, 2021 17:57:17 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. It’s a brilliant tool so I get that everyone wants/uses one. However, if I recall, stinky petunia threatened all the scrap celebs if they used any other tool. That’s why I don’t get them caving to a bully. [br Yes I remember that too, they were told that they get sued if they are using other stamping platforms in their videos, in a weeks span everyone was using the M.
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Post by nicolep on Jul 16, 2021 18:47:15 GMT
I feel like a 5yr old but that made me laugh! 😂
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Post by honeypea on Jul 18, 2021 15:38:27 GMT
This conversation has been enlightening (in a really infuriating kind of way). I’m glad this discussion popped up bc as I said earlier, I was considering getting a M after viewing the stamp day live class with LW.
I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess), or one of the Amazon ones posted. I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often!
I picked up a tiny ($10) WRMK stamp platform and it does not help. Too small and there are no magnets to keep paper/photo still. Or maybe I’m just a special type of stamping dunce. 🤪
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Post by pinklady on Jul 18, 2021 18:34:17 GMT
This conversation has been enlightening (in a really infuriating kind of way). I’m glad this discussion popped up bc as I said earlier, I was considering getting a M after viewing the stamp day live class with LW. I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess), or one of the Amazon ones posted. I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often! I picked up a tiny ($10) WRMK stamp platform and it does not help. Too small and there are no magnets to keep paper/photo still. Or maybe I’m just a special type of stamping dunce. 🤪 The Stampiholic is available but not for shipping to the US. www.diecutsandmore.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=848
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 18, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
This conversation has been enlightening (in a really infuriating kind of way). I’m glad this discussion popped up bc as I said earlier, I was considering getting a M after viewing the stamp day live class with LW. I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess), or one of the Amazon ones posted. I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often! I picked up a tiny ($10) WRMK stamp platform and it does not help. Too small and there are no magnets to keep paper/photo still. Or maybe I’m just a special type of stamping dunce. 🤪 You’re not a dunce - you just don’t have the right tool. You just want a corner to nestle the paper into. IOW, the paper has a ridge to butt against on one side and the top - or bottom. That way if you need to re-stamp, as long as the paper is placed tight against that corner, you can get a good re-stamp. Half the time I forget to put a magnet down. I had a WRMK several others, being a tool junky, plus tried a couple others had, and my go-tos are still the Tim - and yes, the small misti I got for $5.00 when an LSS was going out of business.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 18, 2021 19:40:37 GMT
This conversation has been enlightening (in a really infuriating kind of way). I’m glad this discussion popped up bc as I said earlier, I was considering getting a M after viewing the stamp day live class with LW. I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess), or one of the Amazon ones posted. I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often! I picked up a tiny ($10) WRMK stamp platform and it does not help. Too small and there are no magnets to keep paper/photo still. Or maybe I’m just a special type of stamping dunce. 🤪 I suggest using scotch removable tape to hold your paper in place, at least till you find something better. I sometimes use the removable tape even with my TH platforms. This is the one I get. I have a heavy duty office tape dispenser that I put it in, which is handy when I have one hand occupied. I can tear off the tape and place it with just one hand. Removable tape
Washi can work in a pinch, but I prefer the clear removable tape.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:47:32 GMT
I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess), or one of the Amazon ones posted. I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often! I think a LOT Of us feel/felt that way. That's why we were so glad to see stamp platforms being manufactured (again, NOT a new idea, 15th century). But also why some of us so vehemently detest the tactics of stinky petunia so well laid out by @scrapingnana and others. Before I bought my TH mini platform, I made one out of an old CD case. I swear to you, it's pretty amazing. I kept it and still have it in case my TH dies. Here is an example:
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 19, 2021 1:47:22 GMT
...I still want a platform...I am not a fancy stamper - all my stamps are basic SC, KP, etc. I’ll never do layered images for card making or anything. I just seem to be unusually clumsy with basic stamping and struggle with placement too often! Like you, I'm a basic stamper. While I exclusively incorporate stamping into scrapping, don't stamp on every layout, & prefer wood-mounted rubber stamps, I bought the WRMK Precision Press Advanced (which I found at Tuesday Morning for $14.99 a couple years ago & have seen it restocked several times) to use with my relatively few clear stamps. It provides even pressure, better impression, & the ability to reink/restamp multiple times to darken the image as needed, making clear stamps more usable for me. Best wishes with your search; hope you find one that works for you.
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Post by peasandthanku on Jul 20, 2021 14:33:02 GMT
awww.....well you are one of our favourites too!! I will tell you I do love this stamp press too - the magnets are so smartly wrapped in plastic so much easier to move!
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Post by MARIBETHR on Jul 20, 2021 15:05:25 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. I don't follow all the "gossip" over the legal infringements. I did by a Tim Holtz platform when they were first released mostly because I just started stamping and needed one. I have actually been thinking of getting a MISTI, because as you say it seems to be the most used tool on air, and I have actually had some issues with the Tim Holtz one with large stamps that don't stamp well in the center of the platform. I don't know if it is my stamp or the platform or me but it has occurred with more that one stamp. I see in videos everyone gets such nice images with the MISTI that it really makes me want to try one. Quality is what I care about, not personality issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:39:30 GMT
Quality is what I care about, not personality issues. I care about both.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jul 20, 2021 17:02:09 GMT
Quality is what I care about, not personality issues. I care about both. This is sooooo much more than personality issues. Crazy Petunia came after a person on this message board, one person, not a company or business, who made one DIY stamp press type device, and dared talk about on this board. He was not selling, not promoting, not trying to take her business. He did what a lot of us had done, even before she came along. Tried to make some type of stamp positioner. That is dangerous. Not a personality issue. A freedoms issue. Especially rich since she herself stole the idea.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 20, 2021 20:38:45 GMT
MARIBETHR, I doubt the MISTI will do much better with the large background stamps.
I have’t tried the MISTI, but I do have large background stamps that never worked well, even on their original wood blocks. Those same stamps also refuse to work well with a stamp platform. I unmounted all of my wood mounted stamps prior to moving, and I hoped the large background stamps would work better. I assumed that the wood block or foam was defective. No matter what, the large backgrounds (unmounted rubber OR clear) never gave a good stamped image until someone told me to use a different technique. Put your large stamp on an even larger larger acrylic block. With the large stamp facing UP, carefully place your card stock on it. Gently hold the card stock in place with one hand in one area, and with the other hand, roll a brayer over it, carefully moving your hand that is holding the paper down as needed, so that you can brayer it every possible way. It’s the only way that I can get a cleanly stamped image and avoid bare spots when stamping the large backgrounds. My acrylic block wasn’t cheap (although it was cheaper than a MISTI). It’s about 7”x8.25” and almost half an inch thick, and it works amazing for the large background stamps (with the brayer technique). I hope that helps with your stamping issue, whether you buy a MISTI or not.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 20, 2021 20:59:12 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. I don't follow all the "gossip" over the legal infringements. I did by a Tim Holtz platform when they were first released mostly because I just started stamping and needed one. I have actually been thinking of getting a MISTI, because as you say it seems to be the most used tool on air, and I have actually had some issues with the Tim Holtz one with large stamps that don't stamp well in the center of the platform. I don't know if it is my stamp or the platform or me but it has occurred with more that one stamp. I see in videos everyone gets such nice images with the MISTI that it really makes me want to try one. Quality is what I care about, not personality issues. I think that’s the nature of background stamps. Using a stamping platform of any type it takes me 2-3 presses, paying attention to where it isn’t stamping well and putting more pressure there. I’ll generally use a microfiber cloth to smoothly press down - and people are using the tools for that now. I think it might have been a little easier using the platform that looks exactly like a Misti than with the Tim platforms. I haven’t used background stamps in a while and will check my recollection in the next couple days. And occasionally, similar to scrapnana, though I don’t use a block, the stamp is put face up on my glass mat (and before I got the glass mat, a Simon teflon mat that was taped in the back to a self-healing mat so it wouldn’t curl.) The stamp is inked and cardstock is placed on top of it. I used a brayer and my hands.
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Post by azcrafty on Jul 22, 2021 1:26:28 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. I don't follow all the "gossip" over the legal infringements. I did by a Tim Holtz platform when they were first released mostly because I just started stamping and needed one. I have actually been thinking of getting a MISTI, because as you say it seems to be the most used tool on air, and I have actually had some issues with the Tim Holtz one with large stamps that don't stamp well in the center of the platform. I don't know if it is my stamp or the platform or me but it has occurred with more that one stamp. I see in videos everyone gets such nice images with the MISTI that it really makes me want to try one. Quality is what I care about, not personality issues. Have you tried fun foam? I cut a piece to fit my Tim Holtz one and stamps much better.
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Post by MARIBETHR on Jul 22, 2021 20:58:10 GMT
Have you tried fun foam? I cut a piece to fit my Tim Holtz one and stamps much better. I have not tried that. I don't know that I have "fun foam" I do have some old foam sheets I may just give it a go.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 23, 2021 17:23:25 GMT
I've been noticing that in the cardmaker success summit (free Christmas card classes this weekend, but I got a pass to watch early) every single video that's used a stamp positioner has used a misti. And it's not a few - I haven't counted but I'd say I've watched a dozen videos with it so far. I was curious if they were a sponsor, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if there's some exclusivity deals going on behind the scenes though. I don't follow all the "gossip" over the legal infringements. I did by a Tim Holtz platform when they were first released mostly because I just started stamping and needed one. I have actually been thinking of getting a MISTI, because as you say it seems to be the most used tool on air, and I have actually had some issues with the Tim Holtz one with large stamps that don't stamp well in the center of the platform. I don't know if it is my stamp or the platform or me but it has occurred with more that one stamp. I see in videos everyone gets such nice images with the MISTI that it really makes me want to try one. Quality is what I care about, not personality issues. I think it’s the nature of the beast to have to work at stamping large background stamps. I sometimes stamp them using a platform - either a misti look-alike or Tim’s - but often just put the stamp flat on my glass mat, ink it, put cardstock on it and carefully press with my hands and a brayer. Before I had the glass mat it worked as well on a self-healing cutting mat that a Ranger teflon sheet was taped to in the back. In a stamping platform I stamp more than once, paying attention to where the light areas are. The misti-like platform is a little better than the Tim, possibly because the Tim platform is so sturdy there’s less flex. So I try to find the sweet spot in the platform, and sometimes add some cardstock or thin piece of foam underneath the stamp. BTW, I don’t think personality is the point with MSP. It’s her threats against stampers who showed hand-made stamping devices, suing companies for her idea although a similar letterpress platform was available before the misti - I have a link to the old blog that shows how to use it just the way the misti is used. The shop owner in the UK I spoke to by phone was livid that her employee was threatened, and that if mistis arrived broken she was not compensated. But it’s a good tool - and has corners which are a must for me. I’d just suggest buying from a retailer rather than directly from MSP if you decide to get one.
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Post by MARIBETHR on Jul 23, 2021 20:01:59 GMT
But it’s a good tool - and has corners which are a must for me. I’d just suggest buying from a retailer rather than directly from MSP if you decide to get one. Yes, I would buy from a dealer. I am sure there were issues on both sides of this story, and I am surely not siding with anyone without knowing all the facts. I am not rushing out to get a MISTI any time soon, just considering it. Everyone here has given me great tips on my stamping issues so hopefully these will help and I will have to look no further. Have a wonderful day.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 23, 2021 20:28:07 GMT
But it’s a good tool - and has corners which are a must for me. I’d just suggest buying from a retailer rather than directly from MSP if you decide to get one. Yes, I would buy from a dealer. I am sure there were issues on both sides of this story, and I am surely not siding with anyone without knowing all the facts. I am not rushing out to get a MISTI any time soon, just considering it. Everyone here has given me great tips on my stamping issues so hopefully these will help and I will have to look no further. Have a wonderful day. Enjoy whichever way you go - and it would be neat to know how background or very large stamps work for you down the road. I don’t think there are two sides for someone who threatens to take legal action against a hobby stamper who makes a little tool out of a CD case or similar, with the WRMK Letterpress or other tool or Misti as inspiration but quite different. This was done publicly and privately but shared. Just my take. Btw, if anyone hasn’t seen the ten-year-old letterpress article about using it for stamping and is curious: nallystudios.com/blog/2011/10/12/letterpress-l-letterpress-from-lifestyle-crafts/
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Post by caangel on Jul 23, 2021 21:51:24 GMT
The two sides are Money and Morals
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 24, 2021 17:30:46 GMT
The two sides are Money and Morals 🎯
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Post by tampascrapper on Jul 25, 2021 3:53:28 GMT
]I still want a platform. I’ll need to investigate the SU, a TH (from overseas or eBay, I guess) I have the TH one that I got off of EBay a few months ago. It was about $30 with free shipping from the UK.
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