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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 12:34:43 GMT
I just saw on a thread at BPC a response from April Foster/SC:
I hope this means they're coming up with a way to make everyone's classes easily available to them. I don't really have a dog in this fight. I checked my account there and had only paid for 2 classes and I think I had 2-3 free ones. I have no intention of downloading the bought classes. But I sure feel for those that want what they paid for, and the forever access.
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Post by mrssch on Oct 26, 2014 15:28:09 GMT
It really frustrates me when a company does not keep the agreements of a company that they purchase. Is there no legal recourse?
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 26, 2014 16:41:36 GMT
April has said that forever access was a marketing tool, but it was not actually in the TOU, so there is no recourse. We just have to smile and take it because April sure as heck isn't going to do anything about it.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Oct 26, 2014 17:53:29 GMT
Can someone explain what this remark was in regard to? Either I don't remember or I missed it all together when it first happened. Thanks. Another one who wants to know! I also find find it implausible that she didn't fully know the unhappiness with Studio Calico. She is a smart woman with her pulse on the industry so it makes nonsense to me that she wouldn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 19:08:51 GMT
I think it was 2007 BPS offered a year long class from Heidi Swapp for $300. It was highly hyped and I think sold out. Class was disappointing. People complained, wanted more content or refunds. Stacy Julian sent out an email about it that had some girl power words and at the end said that everyone should stop complaining because soldiers were dying in war. At the end she said "so there". People went apeshit. I remember it being all over twopeas.
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Post by Peamac on Oct 26, 2014 19:37:05 GMT
April has said that forever access was a marketing tool, but it was not actually in the TOU, so there is no recourse. We just have to smile and take it because April sure as heck isn't going to do anything about it. Wait...what? A marketing tool? They had no intention of making good on that? Sounds like false advertising to me!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:25:32 GMT
I cannot believe that anyone would throw money at Stacy Julian after the whole "So there!" debacle.
And despite all the complaints about SC, it seems people are still throwing money at them, too.
SMH
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Post by meganliane on Oct 26, 2014 20:45:45 GMT
I don't really feel like I have much of a voice in this as I checked and only have two paid classes at BPC - but thought I would add my two cents.. One of my classes is coming over and one is not. The one that isn't is May Flaum's class Kit-tastic. I decided to watch some videos today and at the end of one May talks about how access is forever and to not worry if you can't get to it now... I thought that was interesting. I have heard that forever access was really accentuated there so all of this does seem odd.
As far as SC goes, I am guessing they really didn't know how bad the technology was there when they bought it. Or maybe they thought it would be easier. As someone who has been involved with various companies as clients and family members who have bought or sold, there are always changes when companies are bought and there are always surprises when you are buying or selling. It just happens. However the part I am wondering is if SC really realized what a negative impact this would have - I really don't think they did and I really think a lot of people bought classes mainly bc of forever access and the fact that you can't buy them past a certain date - so basically bought bc of the hype, fear of missing out, etc. Now they feel cheated which makes sense. I know I have bought SC classes for some of these same reasons and am mostly glad I did. However I prefer Online Card Classes format where you can buy while live or buy later. Anyways, It would be tough to lose access now though especially the gallery and message board. As I was looking through kit-tastics message board I was thinking how much good content was there and it would feel really crappy to lose all that for 100 plus classes like some ladies have.
With all that said, my take on it is it does not really make financial sense to keep the forever access and BPC /SC had two choices- keep forever access and BPC potentially become the next two peas or let it go and try and create something that will last and make financial sense. Honestly at this point SC might have been better off becoming a competition for BPC as it doesn't seem that BPC had the sustainability to keep going - funds and the want to as the owners seemed beyond burned out.
Bottom line is it is a crappy situation. BPC made promises they could not keep but not really understanding that and now customers are rightfully upset and probably going to jump ship. If any competition is considering a class based business, I would say that the time is now - unfortunately for BPC and SC.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 26, 2014 21:07:33 GMT
Stacy Julian posted this via Facebook this morning: stacyjulian.com/2014/10/transparency-101-stacy-style/. Yes, it's a nice, transparent post, but at the same time, I had to scoff a little when she said that she didn't know the extent of dislike surrounding Studio Calico. I also found it interesting that she never "intended" BPC to be a business. Every time I think of Stacey Julian, I think of her "so there!" remark all those years ago. I've tried to get over that but I guess I can't! How did she not know about the dislike of SC? (I had to edit because I think my last post was not too nice ) I'm usually reserved criticizing an individual online- but here I am, two days in a row. This is one of the most disingenuous things I've read in a long time. Maybe she meant it to be a hobby business- but it's been years and she grew it to this level. If she really didn't know publicity surrounding SC then she is an idiot for not doing due diligence, and must have fools as advisors. I love scrapbooking but am embarrassed to be associated with the continuing bad practices. It's insulting to women in business, and frankly depicts many stereotypes associated with her religion and lifestyle. I know that's harsh, and maybe even bigoted, but I am really disgusted by this. It's a private company and she can do what she wants, but she should own those actions and not try to act as if she's innocent and the results are beyond her abilities. We all know they could keep all content if they desired.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 26, 2014 21:10:33 GMT
I think it was 2007 BPS offered a year long class from Heidi Swapp for $300. It was highly hyped and I think sold out. Class was disappointing. People complained, wanted more content or refunds. Stacy Julian sent out an email about it that had some girl power words and at the end said that everyone should stop complaining because soldiers were dying in war. At the end she said "so there". People went apeshit. I remember it being all over twopeas. Yes, it also included comments along lines that the masses weren't capable of understanding what they were about- BPC operating at such an esoteric artistic level as they were...
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Post by sassiescrapper on Oct 26, 2014 21:26:13 GMT
I thought I had posted about this as well. I was really disappointed with this news as I have about 20 classes that are NOT transferring to the new site. I get and understand that they have outgrown the platform they are using but don't make promises on the heels of 2peas shutting down, claiming we will have "forever access" if you really didn't know. The 2peas closure was extremely traumatic for me - the community, the resources, and losing all our classes there. It was tough. My husband was none too happy about downloading course material and content for me over the summer. I told him, "Don't worry, honey. All my other websites have come out and said that I'll have forever access to my stuff." He didn't believe it but I was naive and told him it was true. Oh, silly me. I should have known better. I understand the dilemma but I'm disappointed. I think a better and more realistic approach would have been to come out and admit when 2peas was shutting down that this was a good time for BPC/SC/Scrapbook.com/whoever to assess their business and platforms and communicate what they discover and how they intend to operate their business(es). Have a bit more transparency early on instead of... this. And I can't believe what Stacy said about the 2007 BPC Heidi Swapp Class, if what the posters here are saying is true. That is just terrible! I remember hearing a little about it but really, that's not a successful way to run a business. That is just not customer service-oriented. Ok, I typically try to refrain from posting negative comments but I'm feeling overwhelmed. Thanks for letting me share. I think I'm done.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Oct 26, 2014 23:09:04 GMT
RE: The 'so there' incident. From what I remember from posts at the time. Stacy was emailing Heidi her support ended the letter with the famous "so there". She accidentally hit reply all or somehow replied to all the the emails so everyone who complained got that letter. Of course this quickly got posted on 2Peas and the smack blog. This was close to the time the Hall of Fame accusations of cheating and the leaking of the Garden Girl forum posts were happening. It was like a big soap opera for quite a while.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Oct 26, 2014 23:09:38 GMT
I'm sure this will anger someone but in Stacy's defense (about the "so there" comment), I think she was aggravated and venting and let's face it - WE HAVE ALL DONE THAT. We have all said things that if certain people heard what we said, we'd be in deep trouble. I know I have!! I have almost even said things where someone could have heard me that shouldn't have and then I breathed a sigh of relief. So I think that makes her HUMAN, not anything less than a great person. She just had a moment. I do think a lot of scrapbookers tend to not to put things into the greater perspective of life, which is what she was saying. If you didn't like a class you took by Heidi Swapp and then you were complaining about it and then five minutes later, your Mom or kid or someone you loved was rushed to the hospital, that class wouldn't even be important anymore. She had a "reply all" moment. I thank God I never have but it could happen to me or you or anyone. And yes I love Stacy and I will get flack that I am a "follower" but she has been a PROFOUND influence on my life. She deserves recognition for bringing a lot of wonderful ideas to this hobby we love. I am forever grateful to her for all she taught me but more importantly, if we don't cut people some slack on things like the "so there" incident, I worry that we will not be given any grace in our lives. Call it karma or reaping what you sow or whatever you believe but I have found out first hand that when I don't show mercy to people, I don't get it back when I need it.
I think the fault in this issue is truly with Studio Calico, not Stacy. I know her enough to know this is tearing her up and she's very hurt at how upset everyone is and wants to make it right. Maybe all the complaining will make a change happen. Hopefully for those who have a lot invested.
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Post by sassiescrapper on Oct 26, 2014 23:28:07 GMT
I'm sure this will anger someone but in Stacy's defense (about the "so there" comment), I think she was aggravated and venting and let's face it - WE HAVE ALL DONE THAT. We have all said things that if certain people heard what we said, we'd be in deep trouble. I know I have!! I have almost even said things where someone could have heard me that shouldn't have and then I breathed a sigh of relief. So I think that makes her HUMAN, not anything less than a great person. She just had a moment. I do think a lot of scrapbookers tend to not to put things into the greater perspective of life, which is what she was saying. If you didn't like a class you took by Heidi Swapp and then you were complaining about it and then five minutes later, your Mom or kid or someone you loved was rushed to the hospital, that class wouldn't even be important anymore. She had a "reply all" moment. I thank God I never have but it could happen to me or you or anyone. And yes I love Stacy and I will get flack that I am a "follower" but she has been a PROFOUND influence on my life. She deserves recognition for bringing a lot of wonderful ideas to this hobby we love. I am forever grateful to her for all she taught me but more importantly, if we don't cut people some slack on things like the "so there" incident, I worry that we will not be given any grace in our lives. Call it karma or reaping what you sow or whatever you believe but I have found out first hand that when I don't show mercy to people, I don't get it back when I need it. I think the fault in this issue is truly with Studio Calico, not Stacy. I know her enough to know this is tearing her up and she's very hurt at how upset everyone is and wants to make it right. Maybe all the complaining will make a change happen. Hopefully for those who have a lot invested. TracieClaiborne - thanks for shedding some light and perspective on the situation. I wasn't really familiar with how everything went down.
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Post by kiwifarmer on Oct 26, 2014 23:53:08 GMT
I truly believe Stacy is really upset for us. I think she is a very genuine lady. She has given a lot to the industry, I just hope this debacle is not what she is remembered for. I also believe Studio Calico with its prior form for shonky business practices thought they could just get away with it.... It seems to be Aprils modus operandi.
Looking forward to the VIP chat with Stacy tomorrow, and seeing what she has to say about it all.....will report back if I am able to attend.
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Post by ReneeH20 on Oct 27, 2014 1:17:43 GMT
I'm sure this will anger someone but in Stacy's defense (about the "so there" comment), I think she was aggravated and venting and let's face it - WE HAVE ALL DONE THAT. We have all said things that if certain people heard what we said, we'd be in deep trouble. I know I have!! I have almost even said things where someone could have heard me that shouldn't have and then I breathed a sigh of relief. So I think that makes her HUMAN, not anything less than a great person. She just had a moment. I do think a lot of scrapbookers tend to not to put things into the greater perspective of life, which is what she was saying. If you didn't like a class you took by Heidi Swapp and then you were complaining about it and then five minutes later, your Mom or kid or someone you loved was rushed to the hospital, that class wouldn't even be important anymore. She had a "reply all" moment. I thank God I never have but it could happen to me or you or anyone. And yes I love Stacy and I will get flack that I am a "follower" but she has been a PROFOUND influence on my life. She deserves recognition for bringing a lot of wonderful ideas to this hobby we love. I am forever grateful to her for all she taught me but more importantly, if we don't cut people some slack on things like the "so there" incident, I worry that we will not be given any grace in our lives. Call it karma or reaping what you sow or whatever you believe but I have found out first hand that when I don't show mercy to people, I don't get it back when I need it. I think the fault in this issue is truly with Studio Calico, not Stacy. I know her enough to know this is tearing her up and she's very hurt at how upset everyone is and wants to make it right. Maybe all the complaining will make a change happen. Hopefully for those who have a lot invested. TracieClaiborne - thanks for shedding some light and perspective on the situation. I wasn't really familiar with how everything went down. As someone who actually took the fore mentioned Heidi Swapp class, I think that the "So there" added to the owl post and the military people are dying post(as veteran I found that offensive), was the finale straw for a lot of people. By March of a year long class, you could tell Heidi was already phoning it in. Green popcorn anyone? People were right to complain that they were not getting their money's worth. BPC and Stacy did not handle justified criticism well. They in my opinion took everything too personally and instead of trying to make things right tried to make the consumers look/feel bad. We were offered pro-rated refunds which I took, but never received. I took a 2-3 year break from BPC. Do I hold a grudge against Stacy? No. I have taken more classes and to be honest, I have not been impressed with most of them. Part of that is as a long time scrapbooker, it is getting harder and harder to impress me. Maybe I've outgrown them. That said there will be very little I'll be downloading. I am not surprised and not upset by this development.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 1:19:52 GMT
I do believe that SJ apologized afterwards. At the time my husband was in Afghanistan so it was upsetting. It felt like words to try and get people to feel one way emotionally without realizing that some of your customers were already living that sacrifice. I worried and prayed from my husband and his fellow soldiers every day- those classes were my break from the stress. I didn't buy a class from them for two years.
This stuff with old platforms and such reeks of Studio Calico. They are used to saying we did this now put up with it, we all know this isn't the first time they have acted this way.
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 27, 2014 2:06:21 GMT
All of this reeks of typical SC business practices. I don't have a dog in the fight ie no BPC classes) but I feel bad for the people who do. April Foster has never done the right thing when it comes to these kinds of mishaps. The sad thing about it is that I'm sure that when the vast majority of people bought classes from BPC they never thought that it would end up in her clutches. Its like buying champagne then getting it home only to realize its cheap beer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 2:47:11 GMT
Its like buying champagne then getting it home only to realize its cheap beer. LOL!!! What a great analogy! Thanks for the laugh!
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Post by scrappington on Oct 27, 2014 12:47:20 GMT
Forever access really doesn't seem like a reasonable promise. Companies go out of business etc. 2 to 3 years maybe after the class you have access. If you really like something at the time then down load it now. You really don't know if it will be there tomorrow.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 27, 2014 13:18:14 GMT
Forever access really doesn't seem like a reasonable promise. Companies go out of business etc. 2 to 3 years maybe after the class you have access. If you really like something at the time then down load it now. You really don't know if it will be there tomorrow. I understand what you mean, and most of us realize a company could fail. But in this case the company is staying in business, and has recently made statements declaring nothing changes. As stated above they reassured customers, US!, that our class access would remain. Stacy is the founder and face of BPC. She is the one financially profiting from this deal. So, no matter how "nice" or "inspiring" she might be, she is responsible and accountable.
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Post by scrappington on Oct 27, 2014 13:20:49 GMT
Ok I didn't realize they said access would remain the same. Yeah that's not cool.
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Post by meganliane on Oct 27, 2014 17:40:27 GMT
Is anyone attending the VIP chat? I think it is today...wondering what will come of that...
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 27, 2014 18:34:25 GMT
Its funny, I GET the whole technology argument, and I can understand why forever access is not going to happen. I think that if SC and Stacy Julian had handled things a lot better, like detailed the reasons why and showed customers a little respect maybe the reaction wouldn't be as strong.
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Post by meganliane on Oct 27, 2014 19:48:21 GMT
Its funny, I GET the whole technology argument, and I can understand why forever access is not going to happen. I think that if SC and Stacy Julian had handled things a lot better, like detailed the reasons why and showed customers a little respect maybe the reaction wouldn't be as strong. I can definitely agree with this. It probably would have come across better if there would have been an apology in the email and the reasons as to why this was occurring (meaning in detail or link to where customers could read the detail). Now it seems they are trying to "explain" after the fact. This has happened with SC before in their communications - I am guessing they just didn't realize how much this would blow up but a more straight forward email would have probably helped the situation...
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 27, 2014 21:19:21 GMT
meganliane and scrappyesq I agree with you. I'm surprised how annoyed I am about this. It's partly due to seeing scrapbook companies make amateur-style decisions- again! A professional announcement and recognition of customer needs would have gone a long way! I get it, most of these women found an unexpected career in scrapbooking, but it's as if they've never been customers anywhere. Surely they could imagine how we would react? There's too much self absorption. In what other industry would an owner tell customers she never intended to be in business? Where else would an owner use this to justify an action? She has taken our money for YEARS, it is a business.
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Post by scraphappyinjax on Oct 27, 2014 21:33:41 GMT
Y'all should listen to Paperclipping Roundtable this week to see if SJ is a guest. She's pretty regular on the podcast. Will she address the controversy if she's on???
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Post by peasandthanku on Oct 27, 2014 23:39:08 GMT
I probably would have taken Stacy's blog post to heart except for when she said she wasn't a business person. Really? So what exactly do you call someone selling things and making a profit?
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Post by meganliane on Oct 27, 2014 23:46:32 GMT
meganliane and scrappyesq I agree with you. I'm surprised how annoyed I am about this. It's partly due to seeing scrapbook companies make amateur-style decisions- again! A professional announcement and recognition of customer needs would have gone a long way! I get it, most of these women found an unexpected career in scrapbooking, but it's as if they've never been customers anywhere. Surely they could imagine how we would react? There's too much self absorption. In what other industry would an owner tell customers she never intended to be in business? Where else would an owner use this to justify an action? She has taken our money for YEARS, it is a business. I have definitely learned over the years how to and not to communicate with clients - mainly through email communications. I am in public accounting and even though most people think I just look at numbers all day, 1/2 of my job is dealing with clients. I have learned to be super careful with email communications and how I word things. I am not sure who handled this email announcement but it seems similiar to the one for international shipping - but maybe not as bad. Anyways the one thing that is super weird to me is that some classes that just ended are not being carried over. You would think those would easily be formatted over. Also I don't really understand why the videos are not easy to transfer. May Flaum's were on Vimeo and that is the same videos SC uses - but maybe I am just clueless on the IT side
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Post by meganliane on Oct 28, 2014 16:06:16 GMT
It seems like some good came out of the VIP chat - like all 2014 classes transferring over and more time to access the classes. I think SC/BPC are trying to address the concerns the best they can, so I am glad for that
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