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Post by monicad on Apr 12, 2020 15:58:20 GMT
We have an almost 9 year old orange tabby named Nemo. We adopted him at four months old from a local rescue, and other than a little cold two years ago, he has had zero health issues. He is primarily my daughter’s cat; she picked him out and she has always been his chosen person. She’s been back from college for about three weeks and he’s pretty much been hanging out with her. Two nights ago he was on my bed and when I picked him up I noticed he seemed a little thinner (he’s always been on the small side). I mentioned it to dd and she agreed so I made a vet appointment, thinking he might have a thyroid issue (or maybe I was just being paranoid). We took him in yesterday and the tech came to our car and took him in to the office while we waited (only animals allowed in there right now). The vet called and initially said everything looked good and he seemed healthy but asked if I wanted blood work. Thinking of the thyroid issue, I said yes. We had to wait another half hour for those results, and when he called and said his kidney levels were high and that it indicated “end stage kidney failure.” I am still pretty shocked and am trying to understand what this means. They gave him extra fluids and put him on a prescription diet. We go back in a month for another blood test to see if there’s any improvement. The vet did say that it is possible for a cat to live for several more years with this, but right now we don’t know. The weight loss I was initially concerned about was less than half a pound, so I guess it was more of a gut feeling something wasn’t right. I’m so glad we took him in when we did, but that diagnosis was a shock. Sorry for the rambling. I thought maybe someone here might have experience with this and have some advice on what to do. It’s hard news to take, especially with everything else going on.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 12, 2020 16:05:35 GMT
Our cat had kidney failure. He got diagnosed with it, and then I think lived another 3 years with it (give or take, I had moved away from home when this happened). There were levels of treatment involved. Towards the end, maybe the last 6 months-year, my mom was giving him IV fluids at home. I do not know how common that is. Our cat had severe anxiety when he had to go to the vet/car rides so I don’t know if this is standard procedure or if the vet let her do it to keep him calmer vs brining him in.
I am sorry your cat and you all are facing this.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Apr 12, 2020 16:11:01 GMT
My cat had it. We did sub-q fluids at home for many months. It was tough doing it twice a day and most of the time we stuck with once a day. It helped her but I felt so bad doing that to her. Her potty issues got even worse. Eventually she told me it was time to go.
If you try fluids, the set-up that worked for us was to put the bag on a hanger and hang from the cabinet door down to the counter. We sat her on the counter with a towel.
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Post by buddysmom on Apr 12, 2020 16:12:34 GMT
Unfortunately kidney failure is very common with cats.
Many of our cats over the years have had it but usually not until they are 15-16. First symptom is noticing that they are thinner.
I think nine is somewhat young for it. Perhaps yours is older than you were told.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 12, 2020 16:13:00 GMT
Giving fluids at home is very very easy and would be helpful. There are also special diets which he may or may not like. One of the peas I know posted about a special diet she put her cat on that reversed his disease, but I can't recall her name right now. She used to have an avatar of a cat with a lime on his head, but changed it, if that reminds you of her name?
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Post by kjquilts on Apr 12, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
Give the prescription diet food a try. My cat Buddy thrived on a Science Diet prescription food for several years after almost dying from kidney failure. We lost him at 16 .... best cat ever. I hope your cat enjoys the same long life.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 12, 2020 16:25:17 GMT
I can help you since this happened to me with my dear cat Biru a few years ago. Biru was 15 when he was diagnosed with kidney disease that had left him with 3/4 of his kidneys unable to function. Our wonderful trusted vet who I still trust told us the same thing-offered a prescription diet in dry or canned form and advised us how to preform the IV fluid treatments that would help Biru. Biru hated the prescription food and lost even more weight on it. I knew in my gut there had to be a better way so I hit the internet searching for a different food and more information. It took me 3 weeks. I couldn't find a commercial grade cat food made for cats with kidney disease. None. I did find lists of cat foods with low ash that were thought to be better for cats for kidney disease but I kept searching-that wasn't good enough for my Biru.
Finally I found a company that manufactures a powder base of organic food grade ingredients that when mixed at home with raw ground meat, water, salmon oil and pumpkin made a 100% nutritional complete diet for cats with kidney disease. It's a raw food diet and reading more on the site it explained why a raw food diet is the healthiest for cats. We decided to try it and the change in Biru was astounding. Within a week he gained some weight back and looked better. Within 3 weeks he was chasing his brother cat around the house again and acting like his normal self. We were even able to stop the IV fluid treatments and never had to do them again. Both cats benefited from the diet since they were both elderly and Biru also got a supplement as recommended by the felineinstincts.com page. Feline Instincts is the name of the company that makes the food.
Through my research I found out that what happens to cats is that they are designed by nature to receive a portion of their fluid intake through their food daily. They simply can't drink enough to get this fluid intake-it must come from their food. Like it did when they caught mice and ate them raw before we came along with our bags of dried kibble. When we feed them dry kibble day after day after day eventually their kidneys give out. That's why you hear of so many cats getting kidney disease. And why it makes no sense to offer prescription diets in kibble form. Holistic vets are now suggesting cats do best with a raw food diet, and if that isn't possible a canned diet is best.
It takes us less than 10 minutes to make up a batch of food for Jesse (our current cat) for a week. We mix it up (we buy ground chicken for him) and store it in canning jars for him and those go into the freezer, then one comes out and goes into the fridge. I calculated it once and at least here it was cheaper than the prescription food.
I wish you the very best for Nemo. I can't recommend this company more highly. Biru lived another 3 years and then passed away at nearly 18 from a blood clot-a completely unrelated cause. Jesse has eaten their healthy cat version since he came home to us at 9 weeks and he just turned 4. If you have any questions, please PM me.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 12, 2020 16:29:31 GMT
Giving fluids at home is very very easy and would be helpful. Only if the cat cooperates. The one cat we had that had kidney failure was the one who was constantly hiding under the bed (unreachable) or outside (on 12 acres plus the neighborhood). An unpleasant time was had by all.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 12, 2020 16:42:07 GMT
Giving fluids at home is very very easy and would be helpful. Only if the cat cooperates. The one cat we had that had kidney failure was the one who was constantly hiding under the bed (unreachable) or outside (on 12 acres plus the neighborhood). An unpleasant time was had by all. I was trying to be helpful and encouraging to the OP who is dealing with a new and scary situation. Yes, some cats will not cooperate with the fluids. Many others will.
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Post by nlwilkins on Apr 12, 2020 16:44:15 GMT
I lost a special cat to kidney failure. By the time it was diagnosed it was too late. The blood work indicated the end was very near. We took him home to have a little more time with him and found he was worse than we thought. He never peed again, would get confused and not know where he was going. It was like he knew he should be using the litter box, but did not know the why or how. I looked up online what the end would be like for him and decided I did not want him to go through that. Knowing time was limited we took him to the vet the final time the next day.
We kinda wonder if he got into some flowers that were given to me for Mother's Day that year- we kept them up where he could not get to them, but maybe a leaf or something fell down that he ate. It was just too fast.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 12, 2020 16:47:04 GMT
My Walter has kidney disease, he hates the kidney food we mix it with other food he likes, but he still doesn’t like it. The other cats in the house all want to eat it though, so that is super frustrating. He had progressed to stage 3 when I asked about the phosphate binder and the vet prescribed that. His numbers did go down a bit in that so that is good. We just add it to food he likes. He is still thin, but seems happy and as energetic as a 16 year old should be. He is a good drinker though, maybe that helps? We did add a fair amount of water to his food as well as he likes it soupy.
I dread the day that it progresses to the point he isn’t comfortable and happy though. He is my very sweetest love bug, so we are doing what we can and hoping for the best,
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 12, 2020 16:57:28 GMT
My only experience was a sweet kitty we adopted about 12 years ago. Sweetest cat we ever had and he never seemed to get big. At about a year old he started having problems and turned out to be renal failure. We did subQ fluids for a while and he died a month or so after he was diagnosed. Since he was so young I figure his kidneys probably never worked correctly.
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Post by kellapea on Apr 12, 2020 17:23:15 GMT
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Post by Zee on Apr 12, 2020 17:37:31 GMT
My sister's cat was born with only one kidney and that one was deformed. He lived a great long life on a diet of wet food and subq fluids. He died at age 17. Towards the end he needed fluids more frequently.
I know not all stories are happy like that but I wanted to give you some hope. Birukitty always has good advice on these threads, and I'd try what she does, but at the very least don't give him any dry food and that includes that dry Science Diet Renal diet.
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Post by seaexplore on Apr 12, 2020 18:16:12 GMT
We’ve had 2 with kidney failure. It’s generally an “old cat” disease.
We did thyroid pills for both as that was part of the issue.
We also did sub q fluids with both. It sounds harsh but we would smile as they carried around their lump of fluids. They were mother and son. Mom passed 2 years before son. Seems like we had just finished doing the fluids with mom cat and then it was son’s turn. We did them at home. It was easier for the cats chosen person to hold the cat while the other person put in the needle and monitored the fluid.
Good luck! Hopefully Nemo will tell you when the time is near.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 12, 2020 18:22:13 GMT
Only if the cat cooperates. The one cat we had that had kidney failure was the one who was constantly hiding under the bed (unreachable) or outside (on 12 acres plus the neighborhood). An unpleasant time was had by all. I was trying to be helpful and encouraging to the OP who is dealing with a new and scary situation. Yes, some cats will not cooperate with the fluids. Many others will. I was trying to be a little hearted with a tale of our one socially distant cat, but I can see now how the post reads discouraging. I do agree with you that the actual administering process was quite easy to do.
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Post by PNWMom on Apr 12, 2020 19:22:17 GMT
I have lots of experience with this. I have had two cats with end stage renal disease, both from random/not common causes and both at relatively young ages. Boo was diagnosed at age 7 with terribly kidney deformities. The vet said his kidneys on the ultrasound they did didn't even look like kidneys. They had no idea how he lived that long without issues. He had lost well over half his body weight and was like 5 pounds. After a few days at the vet, we took him home and gave him special renal cat food and every day subQ fluids in the scruff of his neck. After a month or so, we backed him off to every other day fluids. He lived a very good life for about 5 1/2 years after that. Gained his weight back and was his usual self. It took about 5 minutes each time to give his fluids and he was cooperative--we gave him treats while he did the fluids. Shadow was diagnosed at age 11 with one kidney being full of stones and non functional, and the other perfectly normal kidney had a partial blockage in the ureter (tube between the kidney and the bladder). I could have flown from Seattle to New York to stay there for 2 weeks with him and pay $10k to have a surgery done experimentally to fix this, but that wasn't realistically an option. We took him home and gave him fluids every other day also for 5 1/2 years. He was the best kitty in the whole world and died 2 months after my daughter was born. Shadow was very active and could completely freak out around strangers. A mellow kitty most of the time but definitely with his high strung moments. I dreaded how he'd be getting fluids.....but he was totally fine. I gave both the cats fluids on my own, without assistance. I needed help from my husband the day I came home from the hospital after mastectomies, but other than that day I was able to always kneel down on the floor with the cat between my knees. They'd eat soft food (a treat) and I'd give the fluids in the scruff of their neck. After the first month or so of experience, I didn't even warm up the fluids before giving it and never had issues. Picture of my very good boy (pre-diagnosis)
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Post by PNWMom on Apr 12, 2020 19:27:25 GMT
I'd also like to add--I adjusted their dosing at home based on symptoms (whether it be upping to daily or backing off to every other day), and both of them made it clear to me when it was time to stop the fluids. I did not take them back into the vet, just stopped the fluids and gave them whatever treats or food they would eat (it wasn't much). It was horrible at the time, but they died within a few days of stopping treatment and did not have to go into the vet. They both freaked out so much whenever we put them into the carrier and took them to the vet, it was just amazingly wonderful to not need to do that. Kidney disease we know from humans isn't painful--just very, very tiring. So they weren't in pain and got to die at home.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 12, 2020 19:59:19 GMT
I'd also like to add--I adjusted their dosing at home based on symptoms (whether it be upping to daily or backing off to every other day), and both of them made it clear to me when it was time to stop the fluids. I did not take them back into the vet, just stopped the fluids and gave them whatever treats or food they would eat (it wasn't much). It was horrible at the time, but they died within a few days of stopping treatment and did not have to go into the vet. They both freaked out so much whenever we put them into the carrier and took them to the vet, it was just amazingly wonderful to not need to do that. Kidney disease we know from humans isn't painful--just very, very tiring. So they weren't in pain and got to die at home. Thank you for your post, I am sorry about your kitties. I am glad to know it isn’t painful. That really worried me.
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Post by monicad on Apr 13, 2020 1:28:45 GMT
Wow...I can’t tell you how much I appreciate all of the advice and the links. This has honestly made me feel so much better because I was finding very little information on the internet. I joined the Facebook group and started reading the other site as well. I loved the info on the more raw/natural diet. Makes so much sense! We have a local chain that sells a lot of raw food and I have a feeling they may carry a base that could be mixed with chicken and veggies. Thank you so much...I was in tears reading the responses as this was such a shock and I had no idea where to start. Hopefully he responds well to treatment and we can spend a lot more time together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 3:24:02 GMT
A few of my sisters' cats had it but they were all over 16 years old. I haven't heard of it in younger cats. I'm sorry. Hope the fluids and a healthier diet work for him (he's a cutie!). We lost our very beloved (human-like) baby named Felix a few months ago, but it was extremely sudden and they only gave him a few weeks to live. He was only 9 and acted like a kitten. One day he was sullen. We rushed him in and overnight they ran tests and noticed that he had cancer and it spread to his lungs. It was SO sudden. Things do happen to younger cats. We also lost one of DD's kittens (younger than 2 years old!) despite trying to save him. The ER vet assumed it was his heart. We do all we could to save these babies, huh? I hope your DD's cutie will get stronger and a bit chubbier soon! You sound like a caring momma!
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Post by pjaye on Apr 13, 2020 4:33:10 GMT
Also ask your vet about Fortekor (benazepril) a drug that can help with kidney failure.
There's a school of thought now that suggests cats may periodically go through these "episodes" of renal problems and that sometimes a random blood or urine test may catch them in the middle of one. Then with the correct treatment they may recover from it. It happened a few years ago with one of my cats, random blood test had her in moderate renal failure, did more tests, put her on Fortekor and gradually her numbers went back to normal. She stayed on the drug for about 18 months and we gradually stopped it. That was over 2 years ago, she's now 15 and last had a urine test 4 months ago and all was still in the normal range.
She does have a limited dry food diet though - mainly raw & a good quality wet food.
Good luck & I hope you have success with the treatments.
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Post by gryroagain on Apr 13, 2020 12:43:47 GMT
I’ve lost a few to accidents, one to cancer, but the rest of my cats have all been kidney failure. It’s pretty much a given for old cats. It is a slow decline (my oldest cat was 22 when she died) so don’t lose hope, you may have years still. Even with basically no kidney function my most recent cat to die of it (Rocko, she was 2 months shy of 21) lived another 2 plus years. She was diagnosed at 16, and I did bloodwork to track the progression every 3 months. Then fluids and a phosphorus binder when she got very bad, but it was still another year like that. She took to fluids well, but I have had cats who were semi feral and it was way too stressful for them so I didn’t do it.
Your cat is pretty young for this, but it isn’t unheard of, one of my moms was only 3. He had congenital kidney defects he was born with though.
Keeping weight on is very hard, I feed one whatever they want and will eat when they get old. For Rocko it was tubes off Caio cat treats for like the last 6 months.
There is a Facebook group for senior cats and one for renal failure in cats too, probably many but I am in 2. It’s sad, but it isn’t the end yet so have hope, you may have months and years left yet if managed properly.
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Post by kellapea on Apr 13, 2020 13:40:17 GMT
Here are some random tips that I remembered that were helpful for my cat: I remember occasionally adding unflavored children's Pedialyte to my cat's water. Here's a page from Tanya's site about fluid therapy: felinecrf.org/oral_fluids.htmKidney cats often have reduced appetites. I added (less than 1 teaspoon) nutritional yeast flakes to my cat's food for extra appeal, vitamins and nutrition (I bought mine at Sprouts in the bulk bins.) When all else fails and a cat refuses to eat, almost all cats love Temptations brand treats. The only brand of special kidney food my cat would eat was Dave's: www.davespetfood.com/product-page/restricted-diet-phosphorus-chicken-dinner-canned-cat-food (I purchased it from a local specialty pet store). There are charts on that Facebook group I linked that tell the amount of phosphorus in cat foods. Petco was wonderful for letting me return any food my cat wouldn't eat (both canned and dry).
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Post by birukitty on Apr 13, 2020 18:53:57 GMT
Monicad I would encourage you to at least check out the felineinstincts.com web page before going with the local version of your store that might have a base to mix with meat and vegetables at home. The first reason is they have a specific formula designed for kidney diseased cats. Second their version has been proven to work by my own cat and several others-you can read about them on their website. Third-cats are complete carnivores. They can't get nutrition from vegetables-they can from meat and meat only. So anyone that says to add vegetables to their diet is misinformed.
Obviously the choice is yours.
I only wish you success with Nemo.
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Post by birukitty on Apr 13, 2020 18:55:50 GMT
My sister's cat was born with only one kidney and that one was deformed. He lived a great long life on a diet of wet food and subq fluids. He died at age 17. Towards the end he needed fluids more frequently. I know not all stories are happy like that but I wanted to give you some hope. Birukitty always has good advice on these threads, and I'd try what she does, but at the very least don't give him any dry food and that includes that dry Science Diet Renal diet. Thanks so much for the compliment ZeeEffingGee. That was so kind.
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