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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 4:26:56 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” Do they have a white point hood they could wear over their face? It's been done. Deplorable.
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Post by katlady on May 13, 2020 5:05:03 GMT
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Post by sueg on May 13, 2020 5:44:58 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” We keep hearing how there is no scientific evidence. So surgeons, doctors, nurses and medical staff that have worn them to protect and shield patients have been duped for years and are just damn fools? Is this just a US thing? Or are people in other countries the same? Need to know for sure.I'm in Bavaria, which is the most conservative state of Germany. We've had 'maskenpflicht' - compulsory mask wearing - on all public transport and in all stores for the past 2-3 weeks. On the first few days, I saw a few people without them, but now it appears to be vary close to 100%. Some people are using scarves or bandanas, but most are purchased fabric or paper masks. We've had some protests about the continuation of lockdowns, but not a lot of fuss over masks.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 13, 2020 9:06:45 GMT
Hope you reported this to the police yet. These are serious threats this guy is making. Black guy picks up a gun in the sporting goods department at Walmart and before he can pay for it, the police have been called and they shoot him dead. You don't just pick up a gun at WalMart. That's not how it works. Someone who has been trained to sell guns - either a person who works in the sporting goods department or a manager - must unlock a cabinet to get a long gun out (they don't sell pistols) to show a customer, and if a customer decides to buy it, they go through a NICS FBI background check and whatever waiting period the state requires before the purchase is rung up and they are handed the gun in its box. I don't know the details of this particular story, but this is how WalMart sells guns.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 13, 2020 9:17:06 GMT
Do they have a white point hood they could wear over their face? It's been done. Deplorable. It's a stupid thing to wear at any time. It's especially stupid to wear this into a grocery store when people are legitimately scared and going through a very stressful time.
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Post by sabrinae on May 13, 2020 10:28:04 GMT
Hope you reported this to the police yet. These are serious threats this guy is making. Black guy picks up a gun in the sporting goods department at Walmart and before he can pay for it, the police have been called and they shoot him dead. You don't just pick up a gun at WalMart. That's not how it works. Someone who has been trained to sell guns - either a person who works in the sporting goods department or a manager - must unlock a cabinet to get a long gun out (they don't sell pistols) to show a customer, and if a customer decides to buy it, they go through a NICS FBI background check and whatever waiting period the state requires before the purchase is rung up and they are handed the gun in its box. I don't know the details of this particular story, but this is how WalMart sells guns. He picked a BB gun up off the shelf and carried it. Someone called the police. The police came and shot him before giving him any chance to comply neither any orders.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 11:25:47 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” Is this just a US thing? Or are people in other countries the same? Need to know for sure.Not in my experience in the UK. We've been advised to wear masks where social distancing may be difficult - public transport is an example as they have eased the restriction on going out/returning to work here today. People have been wearing masks here previous to the advise and no one has bat an eyelid. Going by the number of people that I have encountered asking others on where to purchase them or can anyone sew ,seems that they are quite happy to comply with the advice. Quite a few places of work have been allowed to open as of today PROVIDED that they can keep to the 2 metre(6ft) social distancing and protect their staff as well as the public. Non food stores such as clothes shops and non essentials as well as schools are still closed though. The easing of the lock down is being done is stages according to scientific and medical advice. Generally, we don't have the same level of distrust in our government maybe or we, generally, see the bigger picture and are maybe not so selfish as some that think only of themselves.I also think that other countries view the word " freedom" differently to some in the US. Certainly most of us don't think that advise or legislation, where needed, for the benefit of the many, is in any way an infringement of our " freedom" That isn't to say that everyone here is "perfect" we do have our share of idiots and selfishness here too but threats of violence on a larger scale towards a person isn't one of them. Thankfully, we don't have to worry about guns either.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 13:42:20 GMT
Hope you reported this to the police yet. These are serious threats this guy is making. You don't just pick up a gun at WalMart. That's not how it works. Someone who has been trained to sell guns - either a person who works in the sporting goods department or a manager - must unlock a cabinet to get a long gun out (they don't sell pistols) to show a customer, and if a customer decides to buy it, they go through a NICS FBI background check and whatever waiting period the state requires before the purchase is rung up and they are handed the gun in its box. I don't know the details of this particular story, but this is how WalMart sells guns. He picked a BB gun up off the shelf and carried it. Someone called the police. The police came and shot him before giving him any chance to comply neither any orders. Yep. Short memories. On August 5, 2014 John Crawford, a 22-year-old African-American man, was shot and killed by Beavercreek police officer Sean Williams, in a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio, near Dayton, while holding a BB gun. A grand jury declined to indict the two officers on criminal charges. www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart
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Post by peasapie on May 13, 2020 14:13:24 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” Bingo. The last one is the winner. These fools think wearing a mask is submitting to authority. Jackasses.
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Post by gramasue on May 13, 2020 15:28:11 GMT
That is just plain scary. I can't believe there are people in the world who are so demented. Whatever happened to common sense?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:42:02 GMT
That is just plain scary. I can't believe there are people in the world who are so demented. Whatever happened to common sense? It got brainwashed out of people with cries of 'FREEDOM' and 'NO SOCIALISM' and erotic dreams about pwning the libs.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:51:56 GMT
America is just losing it
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Post by missmiss on May 13, 2020 16:39:12 GMT
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Post by tduby1 on May 13, 2020 17:02:11 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” Do they have a white point hood they could wear over their face? ??
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Post by Merge on May 13, 2020 17:32:22 GMT
Ugh from my ultra conservative Christian Facebook distant relative tonight: “I don’t wear a mask because: I am not sick. Masks trap germs near nose and mouth. No scientific evidence indicates that healthy people should wear masks. Wearing a mask is a sign of submission to and compliance with a tyrannical oppression of my freedom of speech.” Bingo. The last one is the winner. These fools think wearing a mask is submitting to authority. Jackasses. My recent personal favorite, written as a comment on a friend's FB post: "Masks are for people who are too stupid to know if they're sick or not." I give up. Honestly, we as a country are too stupid to survive. The American experiment is coming to an end because we've reached peak stupid.
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Post by Skellinton on May 13, 2020 19:21:33 GMT
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Post by peasquared on May 13, 2020 19:55:17 GMT
We spend the winters in Texas, about 100 miles south of Austin. We headed home, about 50 miles from the Canadian border, on Monday. It is a two day drive and we stopped at 8 gas stations and 4 fast food drive throughs along the way. Two of those gas stations did not have any mask wearing employees and in total for both days, I only saw ONE other customer wearing a mask. One in 7 states. Boggles the mind.
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Post by pyccku on May 13, 2020 21:57:11 GMT
These fools think wearing a mask is submitting to authority. Jackasses. The funny thing is that these are type of people who just LOVE the idea of "every knee will bow" and "he's your president, no matter how you feel about it" - and forcing people to follow the authority figure of their choice. Oh well, dying to own the libs is fine and all, but I'm sure the libs won't feel all that bad about it.
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Post by elaine on May 13, 2020 23:04:45 GMT
These fools think wearing a mask is submitting to authority. Jackasses. The funny thing is that these are type of people who just LOVE the idea of "every knee will bow" and "he's your president, no matter how you feel about it" - and forcing people to follow the authority figure of their choice. Oh well, dying to own the libs is fine and all, but I'm sure the libs won't feel all that bad about it. The sad thing is that they really are still following him/Trump. Trump’s refusal to wear a mask communicates much more strongly how he feels about masks and what his followers should do than any words that leave his mouth. If Trump were to show up at a presser wearing a mask, take it off to speak and answer questions, then put it back on before he left, very few bozos would be protesting. Trump, yet again, loves the social unrest that he is fomenting. He could put an end to all the protests and acts of defiance rather quickly, if he wanted to. All he’d have to do is what most of the rest of us do when out in public: put on a damn mask.
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Post by edie3 on May 13, 2020 23:17:35 GMT
All of what is going on is bringing out the worse in people and it is heartbreaking.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 14, 2020 4:37:10 GMT
He picked a BB gun up off the shelf and carried it. Someone called the police. The police came and shot him before giving him any chance to comply neither any orders. Thank you for explaining. Yeah, those BB guns can fool people pretty easily. Police aren't typically in a store, (there may have been reason for them to be there at that time) and BB guns have packaging. It sure seems like there are some important details that are missing here.
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Post by lucyg on May 14, 2020 7:03:23 GMT
He picked a BB gun up off the shelf and carried it. Someone called the police. The police came and shot him before giving him any chance to comply neither any orders. Thank you for explaining. Yeah, those BB guns can fool people pretty easily. Police aren't typically in a store, (there may have been reason for them to be there at that time) and BB guns have packaging. It sure seems like there are some important details that are missing here. sabrinae ’s explanation is correct. It was big national news at the time. In case you missed it above, @zingermack posted a link to a contemporaneous (2014) news story. Here is a local news story that gives more of an overview since it was written several years later. www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/02/12/killing-john-crawford-walmart-officer-wouldnt-have-changed-thing/2787871002/You are probably aware I don’t make a practice of blaming cops for shootings that are justifiable, and most are.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 14, 2020 8:19:56 GMT
You are probably aware I don’t make a practice of blaming cops for shootings that are justifiable, and most are. Yes, I most certainly am. As I said, there were a lot of missing details in the quick description. Thanks for the info. I'll check it out after I get some sleep. It sounds like the cops were found to be at fault. Maybe looking at your link with fresh eyes will give me a better picture. Right now, my mental picture is of a man who picked up a BB gun that was taken out of its packaging and who was carrying it in the store. I don't know if he was being casual in how he was handling it, or even playing around with it. I can understand that someone else in the store could see that as threatening if they couldn't tell that it was a BB gun and not an actual firearm - a very easy mistake to make. I guess that's where the police erred. I'm picturing that they were called in to a possible shooting situation and that's what they were expecting to see. I'm not sure how much of a difference race may have made. The same thing could happen to a white man or woman if they were fooling around and brandishing a toy gun that was mistaken for a real weapon. Guess that wasn't the case, though, and race was determined to be a significant factor. Sounds like a tragedy all the way around. No wonder it made the news.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 13:32:30 GMT
White guys storm capitols armed and angry. They walk away without a scratch. Black guys drive or walk or sit w/ or w/o arms. They are too often carried away dead. "911 Call: What's your emergency" "I think a black guy has a gun" Black guy has a good chance of being killed - whether or not he has a gun. Just like the case of John Crawford above. Remember Tamir Rice? A 12-year old African-American who was shot in Cleveland by Timothy Loehmann, a 26-year-old police officer. Rice was carrying a replica toy Airsoft gun; Loehmann shot him almost immediately after arriving on the scene. Remember the NC Church Shooting. How many people did he kill? 17? 20? White. Taken alive. Remember the Vegas shooter? How many people did he kill? 50? White. Taken alive. Remember the El Paso shooting? Hoe many people did he kill? 20? White. Taken alive. Why?!?!? WHY! Long ago, rich entitled white guys decided to aim poor unentitled white guys' rage, fear and inadequacy at poor unentitled black guys. "Don't be mad at me for having 90% of the money, be mad at that black guy cuz he's going to rape your daughter." We're still living in the aftereffects of that world. If you don't see that, after the many examples of two systems of justice, you are part of the problem.
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Post by used2scrap on May 14, 2020 15:10:17 GMT
I get the point, but the Columbine and Vegas shooters weren’t taken alive. They killed themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:01:14 GMT
I get the point, but the Columbine and Vegas shooters weren’t taken alive. They killed themselves. Right. Sorry. I should have said the Church Shooter Dylann Roof. WIll update.
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Post by lucyg on May 14, 2020 16:24:52 GMT
You are probably aware I don’t make a practice of blaming cops for shootings that are justifiable, and most are. Yes, I most certainly am. As I said, there were a lot of missing details in the quick description. Thanks for the info. I'll check it out after I get some sleep. It sounds like the cops were found to be at fault. Maybe looking at your link with fresh eyes will give me a better picture. Right now, my mental picture is of a man who picked up a BB gun that was taken out of its packaging and who was carrying it in the store. I don't know if he was being casual in how he was handling it, or even playing around with it. I can understand that someone else in the store could see that as threatening if they couldn't tell that it was a BB gun and not an actual firearm - a very easy mistake to make. I guess that's where the police erred. I'm picturing that they were called in to a possible shooting situation and that's what they were expecting to see. I'm not sure how much of a difference race may have made. The same thing could happen to a white man or woman if they were fooling around and brandishing a toy gun that was mistaken for a real weapon. Guess that wasn't the case, though, and race was determined to be a significant factor. Sounds like a tragedy all the way around. No wonder it made the news. Here’s the thing. Ohio is an open carry state. But all too often in this country, “open carry” means it’s okay for a white guy, but when a black guy does it, someone calls the police and he ends up dead. That is my objection.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 14, 2020 16:38:10 GMT
I am an old white woman, blonde hair and blue eyes and I am sick to death of white people making excuses for and not believing that black people are murdered every day for just being black and existing. People who refuse to believe that sicken me. There is something vital that is missing in their morals and character.
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Post by Dallie on May 14, 2020 17:08:09 GMT
Race is relevant. If a bunch of heavily armed black men did whst those terrorists did in Michigan fhis morning, they wouls not be allowed to just leave when it starts to rain.
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Post by casii on May 14, 2020 20:16:50 GMT
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