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Post by Basket1lady on May 18, 2020 22:14:42 GMT
I clicked on the article. Was he swimming in the river or in a quarry without an inlet/outlet? I get that the kids shouldn’t have been swimming there, but why does this time of year make it dangerous? What made it dangerous now but not in a month?
I grew up in Minnesota. We swam in the local quarry and in lakes and rivers. There was never a posted hours/dates sign, as they weren’t public areas. I know we used to swim before school let out, which was before Memorial Day back in those days.
Mom’s rule was that once we saw the first dandelion, it was summer. Bring on bare feet and swimming! We swam in the rain, the cold, the heat... we were part fish and lived in the lake all summer.
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on May 19, 2020 2:50:46 GMT
We live on a river that appears to calmly flow, no white water at all. Sadly, it is very deceiving, it runs quickly. Every year at least one person drowns, in spite of posted warnings about the current. Life jackets are a must, except for the rules don’t apply me group. Last year it was a 5 year old little girl. She was standing on a rock with her dad and slipped in. He tried to save her, but couldn’t, was found about a mile or more away.
While it might seem Big Brother is telling what to do, but it is for your own good and the greater good.
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2020 3:11:00 GMT
We live on a river that appears to calmly flow, no white water at all. Sadly, it is very deceiving, it runs quickly. Every year at least one person drowns, in spite of posted warnings about the current. Life jackets are a must, except for the rules don’t apply me group. Last year it was a 5 year old little girl. She was standing on a rock with her dad and slipped in. He tried to save her, but couldn’t, was found about a mile or more away. While it might seem Big Brother is telling what to do, but it is for your own good and the greater good. Oh my this is so tragic.
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Post by Really Red on May 19, 2020 12:28:50 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass. We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge. I have no words...none at all. This place never ceases to amaze me. Think of the grief his family is going through. I think this person is too young to judge so harshly. I will admit, at this age my friends and I were swimming in closed quarries, jumping off cliffs, etc. In my early 20s someone in my circle of friends died doing a stunt on a street motorcycle. I'm sure there were people out there that were happy to point out how very stupid he was, how it was a waste of resources, etc. To my 'community' it was just heartbreaking, a really nice kid just gone. And a wakeup call to a lot of my other friends, some who watched him die on that motorcycle. At 20, it's not so much that the rules don't apply to you, it's that y ou have little concept of your own mortality. I truly hope none of you have to live through that with your young adult children, family members, their friends, I don't think you would be so callus to say things like 'sucks for him' if it happened to someone you loved. I think this is a case of because it (maybe) true doesn’t mean you have to say it publicly or that it needs to be said immediately. I’m sure this family is devastated and if you were there shoes, I’m quiet certain you wouldn’t want the public criticism while you are dealing with such a tragedy. I’m not saying never to discuss this and your view of how stupid it was. But timing and audience is everything. Sometimes you should just keep your mouth shut and be nice. I was/am the mom of a teenager who died due to someone else's stupidity. I was and still am the grieving mom. My child was not responsible in any manner of why she died. It was a decision made by the other person and she (her death) was simply a consequence of what the other person did. I completely agree with cakediva about the waste of resources for rescue & recovery for incidents that are caused due to NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES! Those people should pay for the expenses due to their lack of reading. There are reasons for the Keep Out or Closed signs. quiltz I am SO sorry. I cannot even imagine how awful you must feel. However I agree with others. While we should expect a great deal out of our young people, they just do not understand their own mortality. They do not. As much as you want them to, they don't. I am sure I did stupid things when I was a kid, but I hope that I didn't do illegal things. That is why you have parents to remind you that there is a difference between stupid (which can still kill you) and illegal. And the rules, sometimes as frustrating as they are, are meant to be followed or changed in a legal way. I would feel completely differently if this was a 30yo man, but a 20yo man? His brain has years before it is human.
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Post by freecharlie on May 19, 2020 15:16:19 GMT
A 20 year old is not a kid.
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Post by gar on May 19, 2020 15:24:26 GMT
A 20 year old is not a kid. No, but for the same reason that young men always feature so prominently in categories of deaths in RTAs, they still have that override switch in their brains that says that they won’t get hurt/make a mistake/cause harm.
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Post by sasha on May 19, 2020 16:03:55 GMT
I'm wondering too if this is a swimming hole starting in June, did the swimmer really know he was breaking the rules? Are there closed/warning signs everywhere? Is it more dangerous during the month of May?
I just wonder how much this was a "rules don't apply to me" versus a "I swim here all the time and didn't realized it was closed..."
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on May 19, 2020 16:06:23 GMT
A 20 year old is not a kid. in the us we don't even allow 20 year olds to drink alcohol legally. There is a reason for that.
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