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Post by cakediva on May 17, 2020 23:32:13 GMT
Our little community is home to a famous quarry. If you've seen IT (the new version) - the quarry the kids are swimming in and jumping into the water - was filmed in our quarry.
It is CLOSED to the public. It usually is closed until late June (never mind the Covid issues).
Yet today, some 20 year old male was SWIMMING in it (it's the middle of May in Ontario, the water can't be warm enough for that), went under the surface and hasn't been seen since. It is now listed as a recovery on the news.
And yet somehow I'd be deemed the awful bitch for saying it out loud. The waste of police & rescue/recovery resources all because somebody felt the rules didn't apply to them.
Ugh.
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I apologize. I never meant this to come off sounding as harsh as it did. Bad day here, no excuse. I'm horribly sad for his family, and angry at the sensless loss of life that could have easily been prevented.
To answer a few questions - this is a closed off quarry, no inlet or outlet. It is owned by the Conservation Authority. You have to pay to gain entry when they are open. Right now, the drive is blocked off by gates, and there are no trespassing, closed for the season signs all over the place.
Again, I apologize for my words and harshness.
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Post by seaexplore on May 17, 2020 23:45:09 GMT
Sucks to be him. Unfortunately there are consequences for actions.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 23:49:26 GMT
Eeks! That just gave me chills....... I can't see movies like that, but who would be stupid enough to go into water right now? (It's certainly hot enough down here in FL, but not up north in NY, and certainly not in Canada!!)..... How stupid...
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Post by freecharlie on May 17, 2020 23:52:35 GMT
I feel the same way when our rivers are running fast and they close them to recreation. Multiple people drown anytime our rivers are running fast.
I do feel bad for his family. They didn't make the stupid decision.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 18, 2020 0:01:24 GMT
Could it have been a suicide perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 0:03:03 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass.
We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge.
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Post by kernriver on May 18, 2020 0:08:02 GMT
It needs to said to kids/teenagers. You wouldn’t be considered a bitch in my book if you took this opportunity to give your kids the straight truth.
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Post by christine58 on May 18, 2020 0:12:59 GMT
Our little community is home to a famous quarry. If you've seen IT (the new version) - the quarry the kids are swimming in and jumping into the water - was filmed in our quarry. It is CLOSED to the public. It usually is closed until late June (never mind the Covid issues). Yet today, some 20 year old male was SWIMMING in it (it's the middle of May in Ontario, the water can't be warm enough for that), went under the surface and hasn't been seen since. It is now listed as a recovery on the news. And yet somehow I'd be deemed the awful bitch for saying it out loud. The waste of police & rescue/recovery resources all because somebody felt the rules didn't apply to them. Ugh. I have no words...none at all. This place never ceases to amaze me. Think of the grief his family is going through. |
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Post by freecharlie on May 18, 2020 0:14:40 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass. We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge. I disagree. Yes, I've done very stupid things and had they resulted in something horrific, I would expect people to judge. Places are closed for reasons that aren't related to Covid. Some areas, especially those with water, are not safe at different points during the year and are closed to keep people safe. It would be like saying we shouldn't judge someone who decided to go over Niagara Falls. |
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Post by darkchami on May 18, 2020 0:33:57 GMT
There but for the grace of God go I. I was a pretty level headed, rule following 20 year old. On a whim, I went hiking through some trails on campus, all by myself. Yeah, I got lost for hours. Nobody knew where I was, because it was a last minute decision I made on the way to the computer lab. I finally found my way out of the woods, shaken up. Two years later I was watching the news. They discovered that cougars lived up in those hills. One stupid decision could have cost me my life. So no, I won’t judge this kid.
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Post by likescarrots on May 18, 2020 0:35:48 GMT
I think this person is too young to judge so harshly. I will admit, at this age my friends and I were swimming in closed quarries, jumping off cliffs, etc. In my early 20s someone in my circle of friends died doing a stunt on a street motorcycle. I'm sure there were people out there that were happy to point out how very stupid he was, how it was a waste of resources, etc. To my 'community' it was just heartbreaking, a really nice kid just gone. And a wakeup call to a lot of my other friends, some who watched him die on that motorcycle. At 20, it's not so much that the rules don't apply to you, it's that you have little concept of your own mortality. I truly hope none of you have to live through that with your young adult children, family members, their friends, I don't think you would be so callus to say things like 'sucks for him' if it happened to someone you loved.
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Post by jubejubes on May 18, 2020 1:00:14 GMT
Our little community is home to a famous quarry. If you've seen IT (the new version) - the quarry the kids are swimming in and jumping into the water - was filmed in our quarry. It is CLOSED to the public. It usually is closed until late June (never mind the Covid issues). Yet today, some 20 year old male was SWIMMING in it (it's the middle of May in Ontario, the water can't be warm enough for that), went under the surface and hasn't been seen since. It is now listed as a recovery on the news. And yet somehow I'd be deemed the awful bitch for saying it out loud. The waste of police & rescue/recovery resources all because somebody felt the rules didn't apply to them. Ugh. There has been ANOTHER rescue from the Niagara Gorge. Very steep and takes a lot of people to help one (stupid) person who feels that the rules don't apply to them. The people should be charged the cost of these very expensive rescue and recovery missions. There are BIG SIGNS that say DO NOT ENTER! 20 year olds can read. Sometimes there are some very horrible consequences and death due to a stunt or stupidity is horrible. But please people, teach your children/young adults to read signs and appreciate the work that went into the decisions to put up those signs. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on May 18, 2020 1:00:38 GMT
Some days.. I’m saddened by the judge mental holier than thou Pea response. I’m so happy that today, enough people felt comfortable enough to not be perfect and extend grace.
Damn. That sucks. I’m sorry for his family.
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Post by mom on May 18, 2020 1:01:41 GMT
I think this is a case of because it (maybe) true doesn’t mean you have to say it publicly or that it needs to be said immediately.
I’m sure this family is devastated and if you were their shoes, I’m quiet certain you wouldn’t want the public criticism while you are dealing with such a tragedy.
I’m not saying never to discuss this and your view of how stupid it was. But timing and audience is everything.
Sometimes you should just keep your mouth shut and be nice.
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Post by ~summer~ on May 18, 2020 1:06:27 GMT
Oh that is so sad. I have a son who will be 20 this year I would be absolutely devastated.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 1:23:52 GMT
We went to look at the Palouse falls today. I would not be a bit surprised if there was an accident there today as there was hordes of people.
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Post by quiltz on May 18, 2020 1:26:33 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass. We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge. I have no words...none at all. This place never ceases to amaze me. Think of the grief his family is going through. I think this person is too young to judge so harshly. I will admit, at this age my friends and I were swimming in closed quarries, jumping off cliffs, etc. In my early 20s someone in my circle of friends died doing a stunt on a street motorcycle. I'm sure there were people out there that were happy to point out how very stupid he was, how it was a waste of resources, etc. To my 'community' it was just heartbreaking, a really nice kid just gone. And a wakeup call to a lot of my other friends, some who watched him die on that motorcycle. At 20, it's not so much that the rules don't apply to you, it's that you have little concept of your own mortality. I truly hope none of you have to live through that with your young adult children, family members, their friends, I don't think you would be so callus to say things like 'sucks for him' if it happened to someone you loved. I think this is a case of because it (maybe) true doesn’t mean you have to say it publicly or that it needs to be said immediately. I’m sure this family is devastated and if you were there shoes, I’m quiet certain you wouldn’t want the public criticism while you are dealing with such a tragedy. I’m not saying never to discuss this and your view of how stupid it was. But timing and audience is everything. Sometimes you should just keep your mouth shut and be nice. I was/am the mom of a teenager who died due to someone else's stupidity. I was and still am the grieving mom. My child was not responsible in any manner of why she died. It was a decision made by the other person and she (her death) was simply a consequence of what the other person did. I completely agree with cakediva about the waste of resources for rescue & recovery for incidents that are caused due to NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES! Those people should pay for the expenses due to their lack of reading. There are reasons for the Keep Out or Closed signs. |
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Post by jamieson on May 18, 2020 1:32:04 GMT
I think this person is too young to judge so harshly. I will admit, at this age my friends and I were swimming in closed quarries, jumping off cliffs, etc. In my early 20s someone in my circle of friends died doing a stunt on a street motorcycle. I'm sure there were people out there that were happy to point out how very stupid he was, how it was a waste of resources, etc. To my 'community' it was just heartbreaking, a really nice kid just gone. And a wakeup call to a lot of my other friends, some who watched him die on that motorcycle. At 20, it's not so much that the rules don't apply to you, it's that you have little concept of your own mortality. I truly hope none of you have to live through that with your young adult children, family members, their friends, I don't think you would be so callus to say things like 'sucks for him' if it happened to someone you loved. Perfectly said. |
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on May 18, 2020 1:32:47 GMT
That’s really sad. His poor family. Yes, it’s unfortunate that he chose to break the rules but it’s incredibly thoughtless and disrespectful to say public services should not be used because of it.
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Post by lucyg on May 18, 2020 1:35:44 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass. We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge. I agree with this. We can explain to our kids that foolish decisions like this can result in irreparable harm ... and still feel some sympathy for the person who lost his life over it. And his family. Most of us have made mistakes and bad choices at some point in our lives. Most of us, fortunately, survived and learned our lessons. |
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Post by alsomsknit on May 18, 2020 2:01:08 GMT
I was one of those teens/20-somethings that took ridiculous risks and, amazingly, didn’t die from any of it. At that age, many are stupid and feel invincible. Some of us are lucky. Some of us pay dearly. Some of us die.
My heart breaks for his family.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 18, 2020 2:05:18 GMT
This probably struck too close to home for me as I have a teen who loves swimming. Swimming is the one thing that pulls him away from his computer and out of his shell. He is an excellent swimmer and was very much looking forward to the spring season. Like 99% of swimmers he hasn't been in the water in 2 months - which is 58 days longer than any stretch of time since he was 9 years old. I can't say the number of random vacations that we've interrupted to find a pool for him to swim in. For all the athletes that are struggling to marry their workout with social distancing, swimmers are uniquely affected as little can be recreated outside of the pools which are pretty much universally closed. I haven't a clue about why the kid in the OP chose to swim months before one would typically venture - but I have a guess and whether right or wrong - I grieve for his family. One of my son's teammates put on a wet suit and ventured into a lake which no one would dream of swimming in for several months. There was no tragedy there, but I'd hope that if there was people would offer grace.
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Post by Zee on May 18, 2020 2:14:25 GMT
Young people don't always make sound decisions. I think it's way harsh to judge him so soundly. If he committed suicide, would you still be uttering "serves him right"?
If this was my son my heart would be breaking reading comments like this.
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Post by snowsilver on May 18, 2020 2:32:41 GMT
Oh my gosh,that poor kid. How frightened he must have been and I'm sure he would have given anything to have it to do over again. Unfortunately, sometimes we don't get do-overs. And the grief his family must be feeling. My absolute greatest nightmare is that I will lose my son someway. My brother was killed in an accident when he was in his early 20s and my parents were never totally the same.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 18, 2020 2:41:36 GMT
We don’t judge when behavior results in “a waste of resources”. Every person has done something that’s classified as stupid. Sometimes the consequences are brutal. Sometimes we get a pass. We all have a lapse in judgement from time to time. Don’t judge. I agree with this. We can explain to our kids that foolish decisions like this can result in irreparable harm ... and still feel some sympathy for the person who lost his life over it. And his family. Most of us have made mistakes and bad choices at some point in our lives. Most of us, fortunately, survived and learned our lessons. Yes I agree. My best friend and I often talk about the stupid and dangerous things we and a lot of our friends did when we were teenagers, and how we were lucky to come out the other side unscathed. And that we hope our own kids don't do the same stupid things we did. My son spends a lot of time in the summer swimming in the river not far from us. It seems that every year a teenage boy or young man drowns in the river right where they swim. Usually there is alcohol involved. I beg/plead/nag my son to be careful, don't ever drink while swimming, and make sure he and all of his mates are looking out for each other. And then I keep my fingers crossed that they don't do anything stupid. Teenagers and people in their early 20s, especially boys, are dumb. They think they are invincible and it's not going to happen to them. I can understand feeling some anger and frustration towards people who have done the wrong thing that has resulted in their death. But I really feel for the parents in these kind of cases. They are already grieving, they don't need the world telling them how stupid their child was. |
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Post by used2scrap on May 18, 2020 2:51:52 GMT
My first week of college another freshman died trying to surf on top of a moving car driving down a mountain. Her death was tragic and mourned; it was also a teachable moment about decision making; the still developing brains of youth, and alcohol. Tragedy and life lessons aren’t mutually exclusive.
I’m sad for the family’s loss and I hope even one other life will be saved for the tragedy of their heartbreaking publicity.
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Post by freecharlie on May 18, 2020 2:54:03 GMT
If this was my son my heart would be breaking reading comments like this. Of course it would, which is why she said it here instead of where it was being reported. Obviously anybody close to the person that died would be heartbroken. That doesn't negate the fact that if this person had followed the rules, they would still be alive. Members of search and rescue teams put their lives on the line to go into unsafe waters to rescue people who don't follow the guidelines. the rescue team can also suffer psychological trauma if/when they find the body (or in some cases because they do not find the body). |
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Post by Zee on May 18, 2020 3:03:45 GMT
If this was my son my heart would be breaking reading comments like this. Of course it would, which is why she said it here instead of where it was being reported. Obviously anybody close to the person that died would be heartbroken. That doesn't negate the fact that if this person had followed the rules, they would still be alive. Members of search and rescue teams put their lives on the line to go into unsafe waters to rescue people who don't follow the guidelines. the rescue team can also suffer psychological trauma if/when they find the body (or in some cases because they do not find the body). I get that but I still can't bring myself to say such things about young people who don't always think clearly. Rescuers would probably tell you they do their jobs to help people like this rather than bitching that their lives were endangered. I wouldn't pretend to speak for all rescuers but most people in those type of jobs aren't the type to develop PTSD from rescuing a body. It's sad when someone dies and then you move on to the next thing. Not a valid reason to finger-wag this poor dead kid. |
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on May 18, 2020 3:16:41 GMT
Our little community is home to a famous quarry. If you've seen IT (the new version) - the quarry the kids are swimming in and jumping into the water - was filmed in our quarry. It is CLOSED to the public. It usually is closed until late June (never mind the Covid issues). Yet today, some 20 year old male was SWIMMING in it (it's the middle of May in Ontario, the water can't be warm enough for that), went under the surface and hasn't been seen since. It is now listed as a recovery on the news. And yet somehow I'd be deemed the awful bitch for saying it out loud. The waste of police & rescue/recovery resources all because somebody felt the rules didn't apply to them. Ugh. - You have a son who is in that age range. Read your statement, but replace the bolded part with "my son". It doesn't sound so good does it? I doubt you would appreciate strangers posting about what a waste of resources it was to recover his body because he made a poor decision. It's helpful to try and think about things from another person's viewpoint. I doubt there is a one of us here who didn't make a stupid decision that could have ended badly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 3:22:13 GMT
Of course it would, which is why she said it here instead of where it was being reported. Obviously anybody close to the person that died would be heartbroken. That doesn't negate the fact that if this person had followed the rules, they would still be alive. Members of search and rescue teams put their lives on the line to go into unsafe waters to rescue people who don't follow the guidelines. the rescue team can also suffer psychological trauma if/when they find the body (or in some cases because they do not find the body). I get that but I still can't bring myself to say such things about young people who don't always think clearly. Rescuers would probably tell you they do their jobs to help people like this rather than bitching that their lives were endangered. I wouldn't pretend to speak for all rescuers but most people in those type of jobs aren't the type to develop PTSD from rescuing a body. It's sad when someone dies and then you move on to the next thing. Not a valid reason to finger-wag this poor dead kid. And all the more reason to appreciate the heroes that choose to be rescue professionals, first responders and emergency personnel. May they never have to think “today our efforts were a waste of resources” no matter what the outcomes are. |
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