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Post by teach4u on Jun 5, 2020 13:28:30 GMT
Second question of the morning. Thoughts on protesting and completely shutting down highways of 3+ lanes of traffic and thus cutting off routes to major medical complexes? Are casualties that result when ambulances, civilians can't get through merely an unfortunate way to draw attention?
We've had highways and off ramps shut down for hours by protesters. Is protesting on major highways something that is now part of life?
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Post by elaine on Jun 5, 2020 13:41:04 GMT
I don’t agree with that type of protesting, if there is no other means/routes to get to the hospital, but it has been around for a while (last day of March from Selma to Montgomery, for example, in 1965).
Sincere question: Did you have the same concerns when protesters in MI purposefully blocked the routes to hospitals with their vehicles, so it wasn’t possible for protesters to step aside for emergency vehicles? All because they didn’t want to wear masks and wanted their restaurants open.
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Post by mrssmith on Jun 5, 2020 13:53:33 GMT
Legitimate form of protest. Are there reported instances of harm to citizens because ambulances couldn't get through? (Asking for real - I haven't heard of any, but perhaps you have).
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Post by ashley on Jun 5, 2020 13:59:38 GMT
When your convenience outweighs brutality and heinous murder, you’re part of the problem.
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Post by lesley on Jun 5, 2020 14:00:41 GMT
Legitimate form of protest. Are there reported instances of harm to citizens because ambulances couldn't get through? (Asking for real - I haven't heard of any, but perhaps you have). Oh I’m sure the OP will be able to assert that only Republican ambulances have been stopped from getting through.  |
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Post by shevy on Jun 5, 2020 14:01:05 GMT
Sincere question: Did you have the same concerns when protesters in MI purposefully blocked the routes to hospitals with their vehicles, so it wasn’t possible for protesters to step aside for emergency vehicles? All because they didn’t want to wear masks and wanted their restaurants open. I'll add, and posted about knowing that they were going to block major routes to hospitals that were near the protest. And still doing it purposely. |
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Post by scorpeao on Jun 5, 2020 14:01:43 GMT
If protestors didn't cause a disruption would it even be news? Maybe for one day, and then everyone would forget about it and no change would happen. I know this isn't about women, but the quote 'well behaved women rarely make history' applies in this instance too.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 5, 2020 14:04:13 GMT
Unless it truly blocks the only route to the hospital I have no issue with this. It makes a big statement but it’s not violent and doesn’t destroy property like some of the other protests.
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Post by busy on Jun 5, 2020 14:10:31 GMT
Oh here we go - property destruction isn’t the way, and neither are peaceful protests that inconvenience anyone in any way. Protests should be limited to your home and yard, between the hours of noon and 4 PM, with a maximum decibel level of 50 dB. No props or profanity allowed.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 5, 2020 14:17:28 GMT
I do have a problem with it if there are no alternative routes, especially if it blocks off a hospital.
If I was a driver and stuck at the front, I would be terrified it would turn violent.
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Post by katybee on Jun 5, 2020 14:18:33 GMT
Oh here we go - property destruction isn’t the way, and neither are peaceful protests that inconvenience anyone in any way. Protests should be limited to your home and yard, between the hours of noon and 4 PM, with a maximum decibel level of 50 dB. No props or profanity allowed. Exactly! You can protest all you want, as long as I don’t have to see it or hear it. I want to continue living in my own little bubble of privilege. I don’t have time to deal with problems that affect only you. |
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Post by lindas on Jun 5, 2020 14:29:34 GMT
I don’t agree with that type of protesting , if there is no other means/routes to get to the hospital, but it has been around for a while (last day of March from Selma to Montgomery, for example, in 1965). Sincere question: Did you have the same concerns when protesters in MI purposefully blocked the routes to hospitals with their vehicles, so it wasn’t possible for protesters to step aside for emergency vehicles? All because they didn’t want to wear masks and wanted their restaurants open. Sometimes the alternate routes and the extra time it takes to use them can be the difference between life and death. I don't agree with blocking any major highway by any group of protesters including what happened in MI. |
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Post by ashley on Jun 5, 2020 14:40:18 GMT
I sincerely doubt there’s a highway anywhere that is the only route to a hospital. And if you’re so upset at the possible idea these protests could cost even one life because of delayed traffic, then that’s all the more reason to support the protests — because so many more lives have been lost in a violent and racist manner. If THOSE losses don’t make you stop and call for change instead of complaining about imaginary deaths, then you’re exactly why these protests need to happen.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 15:02:32 GMT
Second question of the morning. Thoughts on protesting and completely shutting down highways of 3+ lanes of traffic and thus cutting off routes to major medical complexes? Are casualties that result when ambulances, civilians can't get through merely an unfortunate way to draw attention?
We've had highways and off ramps shut down for hours by protesters. Is protesting on major highways something that is now part of life?
Where were you when a bunch of political naysayers storm trooped the state Capital with guns, blocked traffic, screamed at anyone not in agreement with them, prevented people and ambulances from getting to the hospital last month? All over not wanting to shelter in place for the hood of the larger community. You didn’t seem to have an issue with any of that now. |
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 5, 2020 15:43:00 GMT
Highways should never be blocked.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 5, 2020 15:47:31 GMT
Second question of the morning. Thoughts on protesting and completely shutting down highways of 3+ lanes of traffic and thus cutting off routes to major medical complexes? Are casualties that result when ambulances, civilians can't get through merely an unfortunate way to draw attention?
We've had highways and off ramps shut down for hours by protesters. Is protesting on major highways something that is now part of life?
Where were you when a bunch of political naysayers storm trooped the state Capital with guns, blocked traffic, screamed at anyone not in agreement with them, prevented people and ambulances from getting to the hospital last month? All over not wanting to shelter in place for the hood of the larger community. You didn’t seem to have an issue with any of that now. I'd say some of us are against both of those. Although, I will say the idiots you referenced pissed me off while, the current protesters don't |
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 5, 2020 16:00:26 GMT
I don’t like blocking major highways and routes to hospitals, although if the protest doesn’t cause some disruption, is it effective?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 5, 2020 16:01:13 GMT
This is such a weird discussion to me as a non-American.
Are these types of protests really that unusual that such questions are being asked? I've been in many protests and any emergency vehicle that needs to get through is not only let through but word goes out to the front (or back) of the protest if it is a very large one to let the organisers and coordinators of every section know an emergency vehicle is coming through so they can start pulling people to the sides quickly but without incident.
Protests are not inhumane. Blocking a road makes a point about blocking daily life, easiness, not getting through your usual day without having to think about the issue at hand, making a point. But at no point have I ever witnessed a protest that was going to make a point when faced with a life or death emergency. Protestors rebel against the order. They're not going to follow to "rules" of the protest for the sake of the "rules" of the protest! Who do people think these people are? The most bureaucratic of bureaucrats? "I'm sorry, Mr Ambulance Man, we can't let you through if you don't at least protest along with us for the next half an hour? Oh, your patient suffering a heart attack? He can protest along and then you can get through provided we can find the let-through stamp to mark your let-through form. Oh, the let-through form? Please stand in line on the other side of the street where my fellow protestor will hand you one when it's your turn. Ok, sir, that's not my problem, sir. Go stand in line, sir. I don't make the rules, sir. The protest makes the rules."
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 5, 2020 16:05:38 GMT
I get it...blocking freeways puts pressure on the nonprotesters to put pressure on the local and state government to resolve the protest. I still don't like it but I do get it. I can find anothe way to work (and I have). I'd appreciate the blockage more if they'd part like the red sea for emergency vehicles (like they do in Hong Kong). I think that would help a lot of people get behind the protest instead of complaining about it. Hong Kong: I have a big problem firefighters (and other emergency vehicles) being blocked: |
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2020 16:24:01 GMT
Second question of the morning. So you want people to keep answering your questions but you don't want to go back and respond to questions people have asked you, on earlier posts you made? |
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 5, 2020 16:54:05 GMT
Second question of the morning. So you want people to keep answering your questions but you don't want to go back and respond to questions people have asked you, on earlier posts you made? This. Why anyone bothers with this particular poster is beyond me. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 16:57:06 GMT
Where were you when a bunch of political naysayers storm trooped the state Capital with guns, blocked traffic, screamed at anyone not in agreement with them, prevented people and ambulances from getting to the hospital last month? All over not wanting to shelter in place for the hood of the larger community. You didn’t seem to have an issue with any of that now. I'd say some of us are against both of those. Although, I will say the idiots you referenced pissed me off while, the current protesters don't Agreed. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 5, 2020 17:07:17 GMT
My tone is often policed here at 2peas but I want to preface what I’m about to say with “no snark intended”. Just so you know for certain no snark was used in the formulation of this here pretty simple sentiment.....
Black people don’t have a DAMN about how you’d like us to protest.
Layla Saad just posted a beautiful piece about how the revolution will look.
I bet the re-reading of the many Kaepernick threads posted might provide some insight as to why Black people have ran out of fucks to give.
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Post by sunshine on Jun 5, 2020 17:09:08 GMT
I'm guessing there'd be more than one way to get to a hospital?
Looks to me like social distancing isn't a thing anymore though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 17:15:57 GMT
I have no problem with normal activities and commerce being blocked. As long as emergency vehicles can still get where they need to go, I’m okay with it. When emergency vehicles get blocked, I think we get into the territory of deciding one life or cause is more important than another.
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Post by danalz on Jun 5, 2020 17:20:43 GMT
I think she may be referring to the traffic protest in Madison, WI this week. The ambulance argument has been thrown out in social media around here. I honestly believe that if an emergency vehicle (fire truck or ambulance) had to get through, the protesters would allow them to pass. They want a better world...they aren't heartless monsters!
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Post by Olan on Jun 5, 2020 17:21:42 GMT
Not at all. In fact that’s what we are protesting.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jun 5, 2020 18:18:32 GMT
A lot of people seem to think only emergency vehicles need to drive to a hospital.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 5, 2020 19:43:16 GMT
Second question of the morning. Thoughts on protesting and completely shutting down highways of 3+ lanes of traffic and thus cutting off routes to major medical complexes? Are casualties that result when ambulances, civilians can't get through merely an unfortunate way to draw attention?
We've had highways and off ramps shut down for hours by protesters. Is protesting on major highways something that is now part of life?
First question of the morning. teach4u Would you post the name and location of this mythical hospital that can only be reached by freeway, please? I think the issue would be if the ambulance or car driving the person to the hospital (for instance, it would be faster for us to drive than to wait for an ambulance in most cases) ended up stuck in traffic not knowing it was closed down by protesters. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 5, 2020 19:50:28 GMT
The OP was equally mad about it when she had Cubs tickets.So. I think we know what the problem is, and it isn't ambulances. |
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